Shots Fired: A Machinist Guide

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Originally Posted by WouldRuin

I just did a few tests on a dummy and it's definitely not a DPS gain. Best case is it is not a loss...! I'll try again when I get Gauss Round (54?) otherwise I'll wait till 60.

I must admit as a relatively new player (played up to 30 in ARR) who picked up HW solely for Machinist I'm a little disappointed =(

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Yeah, gauss round is at 54 and it adds a 180 potency attack every 20 seconds. The job doesn't really feel complete until you hit 60 and get hypercharge & ricochet. At 53, I would suggest using it for your opening lead shot and taking it off. However, that is against single target. Always use GB for AOEs

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Originally Posted by airshowboat

For the most part, yes. Its worth delaying blood for blood to line up with wildfire, rapid fire, and hawk eye. The 2nd wildfire will not line up with reload and will rely on procs for heavy damage.. However, poping it right away should allow your 3rd wildfire to line up with your 4th reload for heavy damage.

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Okay thanks I'll give it some more practice ^_^

I keep seeing everyone go back and forth between stance dancing and GB always on. I'm so confused atm lol.

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Originally Posted by Kasmiya

I keep seeing everyone go back and forth between stance dancing and GB always on. I'm so confused atm lol.

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It is not ideal at this point. GB should only be off if you are in a situation where you are doing a lot of movement/dodging.

Gess i'll have to level BRD and DRG to get the fullest of this job /sigh

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Originally Posted by Velhart

It is not ideal at this point. GB should only be off if you are in a situation where you are doing a lot of movement/dodging.

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Even if there is a gain, its probably so small that it isn't worth the extra complexity. Fact remains that: shot + AA > shot + GB. Once Ricochet, gauss round, and lead shot are used, there may be an opportunity to take advantage of those AAs. But again, there may only be 5-10 seconds between skills to drop GB for those AAs. Just doesn't seem that those few seconds will really change the overall dps.

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Originally Posted by airshowboat

Fact remains that: shot + AA > shot + GB.

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Is this even true anymore? Correct me if I'm wrong after patch Clean Shot + GB does more damage than + AA, doesn't it?

For example Hive Muskatoon AA = 57.2

When Clean Shot is used, total potency + AA = 200 + 57.2 = 257.2

With GB is on, total potency = 200*1.3 = 260

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Originally Posted by Devilgunman

Is this even true anymore? Correct me if I'm wrong after patch Clean Shot + GB does more damage than + AA, doesn't it?

For example Hive Muskatoon AA = 57.2

When Clean Shot is used, total potency + AA = 200 + 57.2 = 257.2

With GB is on, total potency = 200*1.3 = 260

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You are correct if you are looking just at clean shot.

Split Shot:
GB - 140 *1.3 = 182
N GB - 140 + 57.2 = 197.2

Slug Shot:
GB - 180 *1.3 = 234
N GB - 180 + 57.2 = 237.7

More likely then not, IF you were to drop GB for a few seconds to get AAs you will be spamming split shots praying for procs because you have blown through all cool downs on wildfire. It is a very small gain for the added complexity.. But if you are spamming split shots and the occasional slug shot (with lead shot up, GR and Ricochet on cooldown), gauss barrel is still a dps decrease.

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Originally Posted by Devilgunman

Is this even true anymore? Correct me if I'm wrong after patch Clean Shot + GB does more damage than + AA, doesn't it?

For example Hive Muskatoon AA = 57.2

When Clean Shot is used, total potency + AA = 200 + 57.2 = 257.2

With GB is on, total potency = 200*1.3 = 260

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You have to add in Increased Action Damage as well.

With GB of its 240 + 57.2 = 297.2

GB with IAD2 is a 56% gain.

200 * 1.56 = 312

So, yes, GB is still a gain over AA now with Clean Shot.

With Split Shot it's:

168 + 57.2= 225.2

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140 * 1.56 = 218.4

However, add ammo in there for the 20 potency bonus and without GB the damage is 249.2. With GB it's 249.6. So, GB scales much better.

So the higher the potency of the attack, the better it scales whereas auto attack remain stagnant. Slug Shot also comes out on top with GB on.

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Originally Posted by Ryaz

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You have to add in Increased Action Damage as well.

With GB of its 240 + 57.2 = 297.2

GB with IAD2 is a 56% gain.

200 * 1.56 = 312

So, yes, GB is still a gain over AA now with Clean Shot.

With Split Shot it's:

168 + 57.2= 225.2

Or

140 * 1.56 = 218.4

However, add ammo in there for the 20 potency bonus and without GB the damage is 249.2. With GB it's 249.6. So, GB scales much better.

So the higher the potency of the attack, the better it scales whereas auto attack remain stagnant. Slug Shot also comes out on top with GB on.

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Also, correct me if I am wrong but I think the AA potency is 88 not 57.2. Just like all other skills, the potency doesn't change. AA potency being calculated by 2.64/3.00 * 100.