VIERA AND HROTHGAR COMPLAINT MEGATHREAD

My "realistic" request for 7.0 is that the devs go back and adapt the remaining headgear that covers the full head or rests on the hair to conform with Endwalker's new trend for Hrothgar/Viera. They realized somewhere in late Shadowbringers that "tiny hats" could be sized down even further to conform with Viera ears and Hroth heads and didn't require any hair model replacements, which became a fair compromise that allowed many additional pieces of gear to be visible on both races. Examples of pieces that have already been adapted include:

(Sources: Eorzea Collection, Ipsusu Ipsu on Twitter)

Drindle Attire
https://i.imgur.com/zyPf8HJ.png

Moonward
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FQzoIdsX...jpg&name=large

Varsity Flat Cap
https://glamours.eorzeacollection.co...1650875769.png

Dabar
https://gearsets.eorzeacollection.co...male-front.png

Nier
https://i.imgur.com/UG0IQES.png

Now, I'm sure not everybody is fond of how these items look, but I personally am and I feel getting more "easy" pieces like this would not be tremendous amounts of work. In particular I would like these two that were released before Viera/Hrothgar existed and happen to function in exactly the same way as the headgear shown above. If they were new, they would work on both races by Endwalker logic.

Male and female Little Ladies Day hats from Stormblood
https://cdn.eriones.com/img/ss/e2546...1573868599.jpg

https://attire.jp/wp-content/uploads...002418_130.png

There are a few more that were released in Shadowbringers, again before they took on the new Endwalker adaptation of shrinking tiny hats

Quaintrelle's
https://attire.jp/wp-content/uploads...134210_955.png

Cauldronkeep
https://attire.jp/wp-content/uploads...151117_139.jpg

Eden's Verse - there are plenty of examples like this one that could be adapted as easily as the recent ones have been adapted.
https://gearsets.eorzeacollection.co...-male-head.png

Another MASSIVE nod to the Elemental Fending helmet which is also a full head replacement
https://pro2-bar-s3-cdn-cf.myportfol...c5a258dd6a55f0

I'd love this. The Little Ladies Day, Quaintrelle's and Far Eastern Socialite's hats are some of my favorite in the game, it seems like they could just be sized down and maybe rotated a bit to work.

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Originally Posted by Naria

I'd love this. The Little Ladies Day, Quaintrelle's and Far Eastern Socialite's hats are some of my favorite in the game, it seems like they could just be sized down and maybe rotated a bit to work.

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They're insanely cute pieces and if they hadn't been released in Stormblood I expect they would have functioned on Viera and Hrothgar from the get-go. It's too bad, but I haven't given up hope! You never know. As the gender locks dwindle down maybe they can allocate some extra resources on details like this.

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Originally Posted by Allegor

To be fair, the whole "no hats" was because the (alleged, now conveniently claimed "mistranslation") original intent was for both races to have unique hairstyles or customizations instead. I can only assume the devs realized they bit more than they could chew with that idea and dropped it, which is why we're now getting the mainstream hairstyles instead, and since most hats are designed with those hairstyles in mind, it should be more likely all hats will eventually work - maybe not by 7.0, or even 8.0, but someday.

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Yeah, this is my thought as well. Takes a lot more work creating hairstyles from scratch for both viera and hrothgar, so why not just copy and paste instead?

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

Yeah, this is my thought as well. Takes a lot more work creating hairstyles from scratch for both viera and hrothgar, so why not just copy and paste instead?

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:x I'd rather them being a bit more select with what they give each race, rather than just blindly do things. Or at least put in some effort in it and not render 2Peanut

But beggars can't be choosers, and ultimately even unflattering hairstyles will be a part of the character creator. Every race has it.

It would be interesting to have more leonine hairstyles for Hrothgar, but so would many other things be interesting to add to the game, and they have better sh*t to work on.

For now, give us hairstyles (without needing to literally cut corners) and try to have a wider choice of headgear when possible.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

Takes a lot more work creating hairstyles from scratch for both viera and hrothgar,

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See, if they were doing this from the Beginning while they were making them, and in between patches especially leading into Endwalker, we'd probably have a good handful of Hairstyles Post Shadowbrigers by now.
I get it, the world was in a bad state, and there is other content and MSQ to focus on, and then there is the Creation of the "Missing Genders" But if they didnt just sit on it and wait, we'd have more options (that hopefully wern't botched) by now.

Maybe I'm in the minority, but when it comes to Viera specifically I'm much more satisfied with getting the existing and future Modern Aesthetics than I am new racial hairs. With Covid on the rise during Endwalker's development in Shadowbringers I think new Viera/Hrothgar styles would have been one of the first ideas to get scrapped/delayed (along with the second Ultimate, Dragonsong) in favour of just being able to release content. We probably wouldn't have started getting hair updates until 6.0 and even then likely wouldn't have received more than 3 hairstyles total for each, one each major patch.

Throughout Shadowbringers all I wanted was access to the hairstyles everybody else already had and the new ones they were receiving every patch. I went through enough new Modern Aesthetics releases and Moogle events where all I could do was get the item and use it with a little prayer that maybe someday I would have access to it on my character. New racial hairstyles wouldn't have resolved that problem for me even if they might have made it sting a bit less.

Concerning Hrothgar, yeah, I agree even getting 3 new racial exclusive hairstyles made to cater exactly to their racial details between 6.0 and now would have been better than what happened. Hrothgar aren't humanoid so some of the feminine, human-shaped hairs just look off on them (2B, Controlled Chaos.) Then there was the Eartastrophy of 2022. Hrothgar truly haven't always been treated with the respect its players deserve, and seeing even 3 hairstyle made only for them instead would have been a case of quality > quantity.

Unfortunately it seems to be Hrothgars' lot in life to be treated exactly the same way as male Vieras when they aren't male Vieras. On the bright side some of the new styles look really good in my opinion, but we know there's a huge list that won't look so good and I do wish there was some way to vote/communicate what styles Hrothgar players want the most so they can forget the rest and use the remaining resources on creating even one or two new styles for all Hrothgars.

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Originally Posted by Caro178

...we know there's a huge list that won't look so good and I do wish there was some way to vote/communicate what styles Hrothgar players want the most so they can forget the rest and use the remaining resources on creating even one or two new styles for all Hrothgars.

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See, that's honestly my (hot?) take as well. On one hand, more options are always good, freedom of expression and all that, and who knows, maybe some of them would actually look better than expected, like the Jesus hair. On the other hand, many hairstyles simply do not look good on Hrothgars and nobody would use them unironically (2B is but one example), so it might as well be a waste of resources.

That said, the devs already began the updating project so might as well let them finish it, lest we confuse them further and make it seem as if we don't want hairstyles at all...again.

For me, this is the collection of "no brainer" base game hairstyles will look fire on Hrothgar.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FmhduD3W...name=4096x4096

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FmhdvxvW...name=4096x4096

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fmhdxn2W...name=4096x4096

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FmhdsXNX...name=4096x4096

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Originally Posted by Caro178

For me, this is the collection of "no brainer" base game hairstyles will look fire on Hrothgar.

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Oh, they would. Not included there is Jack's hair from Type-0, which is also a base game hairstyle that would fit a lion race. Those definitely would fit.

The last one might give us a weird frame, but tbf it's gonna give a weird frame to most other races anyway.

The hairs we have in-game do fit, and modders have shown that they can fit. That's how we know. Modding may work outside SE's rules, but at least they show us what works vs what doesn't when stuff is implemented.

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

Oh, they would. Not included there is Jack's hair from Type-0, which is also a base game hairstyle that would fit a lion race. Those definitely would fit.

The last one might give us a weird frame, but tbf it's gonna give a weird frame to most other races anyway.

The hairs we have in-game do fit, and modders have shown that they can fit. That's how we know. Modding may work outside SE's rules, but at least they show us what works vs what doesn't when stuff is implemented.

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Regarding Jack's hair specifically I didn't include it in the no-brainer list because it's so voluminous at the front that I have a suspicion it might hide most of Hrothgar ear models inside its poof, which may look a bit funky. Sort of like "Curls" on Miqos (soon to be even more bizarre on Viera, lol.) Perhaps there's a mod out there that disproves my concerns.

I think if they can implement it EXACTLY like this, it will look great. But it needs to fit like this one with the hair faded in front of each ear.

https://i.imgur.com/2ggY6GE.png

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Originally Posted by Caro178

Regarding Jack's hair specifically I didn't include it in the no-brainer list because it's so voluminous at the front that I have a suspicion it might hide most of Hrothgar ear models inside its poof, which may look a bit funky. Sort of like "Curls" on Miqos (soon to be even more bizarre on Viera, lol.) Perhaps there's a mod out there that disproves my concerns.

I think if they can implement it EXACTLY like this, it will look great. But it needs to fit like this one with the hair faded in front of each ear.

https://i.imgur.com/2ggY6GE.png

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If they implement it like that, that'd be interesting... but odds are they won't. But ears clip through current hairs as it is, Jack's wouldn't be that big a problem.

Incoming: Modded image:

https://i.imgur.com/3eADU9T.png

Assuming this can be done without much fuss... :p see? Modders show us what can work.

Hmm, honestly that does look a little bit funky with the ear clipping directly through slicked back strands of hair, but it's not as bad as I was expecting if I don't look at it too hard (a bit like a few Viera hairs with bangs, lol.) Imho it would look a lot more natural if the hair was shaved to make way for the ear, but there's about a 0 sum chance of them doing that extra bit of work so this is 99.9% what we'll end up getting in game complete with the extra texture where the ears pop out of the hair.

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Originally Posted by Caro178

Hmm, honestly that does look a little bit funky with the ear clipping directly through slicked back strands of hair, but it's not as bad as I was expecting if I don't look at it too hard (a bit like a few Viera hairs with bangs, lol.) Imho it would look a lot more natural if the hair was shaved to make way for the ear, but there's about a 0 sum chance of them doing that extra bit of work so this is 99.9% what we'll end up getting in game complete with the extra texture where the ears pop out of the hair.

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Yeah T_T but alas, beggars really cannot be choosers.

https://i.imgur.com/cX5scAc.png

I would know.

Ironically there's much worse than this on the current hairstyles. Like, I fully understand it looks weird seeing stuff pop out. But back when they full-on chopped off our ears, a lot of people did say "just let it clip". Because we'd rather have a tiny nub sticking out than nothing whatsoever, especially on hairstyles where the clipping either made sense or didn't look as bad. So it's a compromise some people, myself included, are okay with.

Of course, IF they manage to make things work and not have the clipping be as evident, then it'd be really good. But Square has shown zero interest in doing that sort of work, so we take what we can get. Rather that than removal of facial features entirely.

Oh, absolutely. And this is a problem that plagues all three races with ears, Miqos included. Their ears just happen to be a bit smaller and more surreptitiously positioned on their heads. Almost all their hairs, including their racial default hairs, have ears clipping through growing strands of hair if you look hard enough. Same goes for Viera and their racial hairs, male and female. Thus is the fate of races with animal ears in a game where the default always has to be humans first.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FmhqFAcW...name=4096x4096

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FmhqEW2X...name=4096x4096

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FmhqFqkW...name=4096x4096

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FmhqGWGX...name=4096x4096

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Originally Posted by Caro178

For me, this is the collection of "no brainer" base game hairstyles will look fire on Hrothgar.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FmhduD3W...name=4096x4096

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FmhdvxvW...name=4096x4096

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fmhdxn2W...name=4096x4096

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FmhdsXNX...name=4096x4096

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

Incoming: Modded image:

https://i.imgur.com/3eADU9T.png

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Those are exactly the hairstyles I want the most lol

Hell, not even FFXII is immune to hair clipping, and that was the game with the first real 3D renders of Viera. This is probably one of the reasons Fran even wears a helmet at all. All the Vieras have ears smack dab on top of their hairstyles. If the game wasn't from like 2006 (still looks really good btw - amazing game, props to FFXII) we would clearly be able to see all the clipping.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/6e/96...efe8d1e77f.jpg

https://64.media.tumblr.com/02f73a06...512df342ac.jpg

I feel like this thread needs assessing on what it's meant to convey now.

• Hrothgar and Viera have started getting some hairstyles
• Hrothgar ears have regrown
• Viera have a male counterpart and Hrothgar female is on its way

Though, and this might just be me, some stuff do still feel unadressed. With more or less relevance

• Headgear is still a hot topic with some new entries not having any adaptation for these races
• Communication on both races seems to be a bit on the lacking side. Hrothgar feel especially hard by this, given how the development team has proven itself disconnected from its fanbase for a while and how little feedback there generally is about Hrothgar specifically.
• Viera hairstyles give them an obscenely large forehead. Don't know how you guys feel about that tbh.
• Hrothgar hunchback is generally considered a bad addition, with very niche support for it; most people would rather it went away
• Portrayal of these races has been very hit-or-miss, either lacking in the spotlight or just relegated to a forgettable background. Though these aren't the only races to suffer from this. It's just jarring because they're the two latest races overall.

I don't know, it just feels that right now a major component of this thread has been addressed. And though not everyone feels at ease (especially given tensions the past year), it's still a decent enough step in the right direction.

Question is if all the rest will be addressed.

Does the Hrothgar posture cause armor warping/tearing? They changed the male Viera slouch/pot belly with a quickness between benchmark and release for a similar reason.

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Originally Posted by Yencat

Does the Hrothgar posture cause armor warping/tearing? They changed the male Viera slouch/pot belly with a quickness between benchmark and release for a similar reason.

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Apologies for bad grammar, I am on the phone rn.

The hunch is looking very bad in a lot of glams (if not all), the texture wrapping is stretched a lot to the point that it has an ugly pixelationon on the back and it doesn't look any better on the front where it is verry obviously squished around the abdominal area. All hairstyles (if they are not very very short) clip through every chestpiece if it has a collar.
You won't hear/see me complain if they remove the hunch.
I feel it was added because it was popular with the western devs to add hunches with beast races, i say the devs cause the players in 98%of the cases hated it. The other 2% that was liked was when it made sense to add a hunch (like Charr). If your character will run by dropping on all 4's then it is accepted as a feature rather than an empty aesthetic. Which is where the FF devs saw the hunch on beast races and were like "ok, hunch=beast, got it!", but forgot to make it work by using the hunch to their advantage rather than for looks. Even the source material (the Ronso) had a straight back because they were supposed to walk and run like humans.

Tl Dr: Just get rid of the hunch, please.

Concerning "Viera hairstyles give them an obscenely large forehead" I would like to analyze it a bit. Is it actually true or is there a separate detail at play here that has been oft ignored in favour of saying the devs have done lazy work specifically on the port of these hairs to Viera? Let's compare the exact same hairstyles with some other races for a moment.

Let's start with a recent addition, Adventure:

https://img.finalfantasyxiv.com/t/c6...62d44b7b_0.png

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fmlx2LtW...png&name=small

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fml5knpX...g&name=360x360

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fml5knnX...g&name=360x360

These two look exactly the same on Viera as they do on every other race. The female style definitely gives female Vieras a large forehead, but it's not like the female Hyur's forehead is any smaller. Billboard brow all around on this one.

Let's check out the most prolific example, Ponytails:

https://ffxivcollect.com/images/hair...193129_143.png

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fml8mfjX...name=4096x4096

Again, the Hyur's forehead is just as big as the Viera's. So what gives? I thought it was common knowledge that this was a Viera exclusive problem?

Another one that gets fingers pointed at it a lot: Artoriel's style

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ex2mVA5WQAA3UiS.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fml2xFxX...name=4096x4096

This kinda 50s style short one:

https://img.finalfantasyxiv.com/lds/...g/0420_006.png

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fml3YybX...name=4096x4096



Great lengths:
https://img2.finalfantasyxiv.com/acc...93593ad135.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/VUCY3X0.jpg

A short hairstyle, Modern Legend:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fml0ivTX...g&name=360x360

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fml0ivUW...g&name=360x360

With this real visual evidence in mind I posit that hairstyles do not actually look significantly different on Viera. Rather, it is the opposite - Viera base game hairstyles have incredibly low hairlines with widows' peaks in comparison to other races. As a result they also have eyebrows positioned lower on their faces. That's what is different, the visual dichotomy between Viera base game hairstyles and hairstyles ported from other races. They actually look virtually the same on everybody, we're just so used to seeing Viera with extremely low hairlines that seeing them in hair all the other races usually wear gives us the illusion that Vieras have a larger forehead in them when they mostly don't.

I dislike the low hairlines on the basic Viera styles. It looks off to me, and pushed me away from picking the style I otherwise would have used.

Roegadyn seem to have the same issue, though I can't recall noticing it on other races.

I'm not sure if it's a particular artist's work, or a deliberate choice, or just trying to cram too much detail into the shape of the hair at the expense of it ending up bigger than it should.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

I dislike the low hairlines on the basic Viera styles. It looks off to me, and pushed me away from picking the style I otherwise would have used.

Roegadyn seem to have the same issue, though I can't recall noticing it on other races.

I'm not sure if it's a particular artist's work, or a deliberate choice, or just trying to cram too much detail into the shape of the hair at the expense of it ending up bigger than it should.

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It's a highly intentional racial trait taken directly from our girl Fran. In fact, they already toned it down on XIV's Viera.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/f7/34...37b665cbc9.jpg

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Originally Posted by Pip_Chick

Apologies for bad grammar, I am on the phone rn.

The hunch is looking very bad in a lot of glams (if not all), the texture wrapping is stretched a lot to the point that it has an ugly pixelationon on the back and it doesn't look any better on the front where it is verry obviously squished around the abdominal area. All hairstyles (if they are not very very short) clip through every chestpiece if it has a collar.
You won't hear/see me complain if they remove the hunch.
I feel it was added because it was popular with the western devs to add hunches with beast races, i say the devs cause the players in 98%of the cases hated it. The other 2% that was liked was when it made sense to add a hunch (like Charr). If your character will run by dropping on all 4's then it is accepted as a feature rather than an empty aesthetic. Which is where the FF devs saw the hunch on beast races and were like "ok, hunch=beast, got it!", but forgot to make it work by using the hunch to their advantage rather than for looks. Even the source material (the Ronso) had a straight back because they were supposed to walk and run like humans.

Tl Dr: Just get rid of the hunch, please.

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Thank you, it's not talked about as often (though with how many other problems Hrothgar has had I guess it's not surprising) so I did wonder, it would be a bigger change than the potbelly/slouch fix but hopefully if there's enough noise about it they'll be open to changing it. Ideally it'd be optional because I'm sure like how it is whenever Elezen animations/proportions are brought up there's people who like how they are now, though I don't know how likely that is.

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Originally Posted by Caro178

With this real visual evidence in mind I posit that hairstyles do not actually look significantly different on Viera. Rather, it is the opposite - Viera base game hairstyles have incredibly low hairlines with widows' peaks in comparison to other races. As a result they also have eyebrows positioned lower on their faces. That's what is different, the visual dichotomy between Viera base game hairstyles and hairstyles ported from other races. They actually look virtually the same on everybody, we're just so used to seeing Viera with extremely low hairlines that seeing them in hair all the other races usually wear gives us the illusion that Vieras have a larger forehead in them when they mostly don't.

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This is even further exacerbated by Veena having only half the eyebrow (both in length and fullness in most cases) compared to Rava, so the amount of empty space looks even bigger. :(

If they do get rid of the hunch I hope they make it an option you can toggle on and off. The main tank in my endgame static is a Hrothgar main, and he loves the slouch. He even tried downloading the *cough* thing that changes the posture, and he hated it so much he was complaining for an hour and left just to change it mid raid. There are Hrothgar players who like the posture and would rather not have the same humanoid posture as all the other races. Knowing how much he disliked it I would really hope for a solution that keeps both parties happy rather than swapping from one thing some people don't like to another thing other people won't like.

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Originally Posted by Yencat

Thank you, it's not talked about as often (though with how many other problems Hrothgar has had I guess it's not surprising) so I did wonder, it would be a bigger change than the potbelly/slouch fix but hopefully if there's enough noise about it they'll be open to changing it. Ideally it'd be optional because I'm sure like how it is whenever Elezen animations/proportions are brought up there's people who like how they are now, though I don't know how likely that is.:(

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In my expirience as an animator and rigger for 3D models. It wouldn't be hard at all, literally an axes tweak. The problem would come in remaking almost all animations for them. And even then, it would be just the personal emotes and idles cause the rest, like all job idle animations have a straight back. And they put our backs straight in almost all cutscenes, minus walking.

My secret wish for 7.0 is that with the addition of Female Hrothgar they will also tweak the male posture in such a way that they would stand straight and keep 1 of the idles hunched (like male Miquo'te). Everyone happy!

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Originally Posted by Yencat

This is even further exacerbated by Veena having only half the eyebrow (both in length and fullness in most cases) compared to Rava, so the amount of empty space looks even bigger. :(

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For what it's worth I think your WoL is absolutely gorgeous and Great Length fits her perfectly. Ironically the newer hairstyles mostly have more natural hairlines, it's just hard to separate our brains from what we all got so used to on Viera because all we had for 2 years were hairstyles with low hairlines and deep widows' peaks. Anyway, yeah, she's super pretty and perfect.

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Originally Posted by Caro178

If they do get rid of the hunch I hope they make it an option you can toggle on and off. The main tank in my endgame static is a Hrothgar main, and he loves the slouch. He even tried downloading the *cough* thing that changes the posture, and he hated it so much he was complaining for an hour and left just to change it mid raid. There are Hrothgar players who like the posture and would rather not have the same humanoid posture as all the other races. Knowing how much he disliked it I would really hope for a solution that keeps both parties happy rather than swapping from one thing some people don't like to another thing other people won't like.

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This is likely an out there idea and I am 90% sure it won't happen, but a way to please every party could be to make it a clan thing, so 1 clan has a hunch while the other doesn't. If that would be the case they would have to make diferent poses and animations for them. The one clan standing up will need a few model tweaks (like making the top less heavy) and both clans will have to share a common colour scheme or at leaset add white and black to both options.
This would please everyone in theory, but I don't know, am not fully sold on the idea...
What would you guys think of that?

There are so many things that go against the idea that Hrothgar needed a hunch because they're beast looking.

They're more civilized than half the clans of races that aren't Lala, Hyur or Elezen.
Most actual beast tribes, which are even more beastly, aren't that hunched, nor do they move their heads like chickens when they walk.
If Hrothgar can straighten their posture in combat stance they sure as hell can straighten outside of it.
The lack of digitigrade feet makes their unarmed stance look even more stupid. There is no anatomical reason why they would move like that.

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Originally Posted by Pip_Chick

In my expirience as an animator and rigger for 3D models. It wouldn't be hard at all, literally an axes tweak. The problem would come in remaking almost all animations for them. And even then, it would be just the personal emotes and idles cause the rest, like all job idle animations have a straight back. And they put our backs straight in almost all cutscenes, minus walking.

My secret wish for 7.0 is that with the addition of Female Hrothgar they will also tweak the male posture in such a way that they would stand straight and keep 1 of the idles hunched (like male Miquo'te). Everyone happy!

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Oh I don't think it would be hard for them to do either if they wanted to do it, but for male Viera it was a relatively small change that didn't impact their emotes or idles and was done before they even released vs. a more involved change on a model that's been out for 3+ years.

But if they couldn't make it a toggle for some reason then a hunched idle sounds like an elegant solution. :)

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Originally Posted by Caro178

For what it's worth I think your WoL is absolutely gorgeous and Great Length fits her perfectly. Ironically the newer hairstyles mostly have more natural hairlines, it's just hard to separate our brains from what we all got so used to on Viera because all we had for 2 years were hairstyles with low hairlines and deep widows' peaks. Anyway, yeah, she's super pretty and perfect.

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You're very sweet! Thankfully (since it's my favourite hairstyle) I don't have an issue with how Great Lengths looks on either Rava or Veena, it's mostly the ones that already look a bit higher up that look slightly worse on Veena because of the brows. It's unlikely they'll go back and change them though so I'm not too fussed, but I wouldn't be opposed to them lowering the hairline on the worst offenders ever so slightly.

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Originally Posted by Yencat

You're very sweet! Thankfully (since it's my favourite hairstyle) I don't have an issue with how Great Lengths looks on either Rava or Veena, it's mostly the ones that already look a bit higher up that look slightly worse on Veena because of the brows. It's unlikely they'll go back and change them though so I'm not too fussed, but I wouldn't be opposed to them lowering the hairline on the worst offenders ever so slightly.

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Yeah, I wouldn't be opposed to a few hairstyles being adjusted, but that list is very small and I think they should be adjusted on every race, not just Viera. As it is right now to quote one of G'raha's best scenes all it means is we're "the same as everyone else."

I DO have one request for Viera character customization for 7.0: a new tab for ear decals. I absolutely adore the fawn spots and other patters Viera have in FFXII, and I would love the option to add these to my own Viera.

https://media.tenor.com/FYebKGQGJbgA...-xii-ffxii.gif

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Originally Posted by ReynTime

There are so many things that go against the idea that Hrothgar needed a hunch because they're beast looking.

They're more civilized than half the clans of races that aren't Lala, Hyur or Elezen.
Most actual beast tribes, which are even more beastly, aren't that hunched, nor do they move their heads like chickens when they walk.
If Hrothgar can straighten their posture in combat stance they sure as hell can straighten outside of it.
The lack of digitigrade feet makes their unarmed stance look even more stupid. There is no anatomical reason why they would move like that.

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Why should their posture have anything to do with their civilisation level?

For what it's worth, I may be in the minority here, but I think the hunched posture makes sense in combination with the cat head, and when I see people using the straighter poses, those look wrong to me.

Not to suggest that fanbases are a hivemind, but honestly it's true that people on the one hand demand flaws, "imperfectness", unique features that doesn't result in everyone looking like supermodels walking off the runway for a stint of combat, and when those flaws do get added - in the Hrothgar's case hunchback - they're unused, ignored or demanded to be removed.

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Originally Posted by Caro178

Yeah, I wouldn't be opposed to a few hairstyles being adjusted, but that list is very small and I think they should be adjusted on every race, not just Viera. As it is right now to quote one of G'raha's best scenes all it means is we're "the same as everyone else."

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Absolutely, the majority are absolutely fine with a few that could use some tweaks on every race. The single worst offender is the MGP ponytail and if I'm 100% honest I'm not even sure I'd use it even if it did have a perfectly proportioned forehead, but I'm sure others might.

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I DO have one request for Viera character customization for 7.0: a new tab for ear decals. I absolutely adore the fawn spots and other patters Viera have in FFXII, and I would love the option to add these to my own Viera.

https://media.tenor.com/FYebKGQGJbgA...-xii-ffxii.gif

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I'd love that as well, if they decoupled it from the highlight colour it'd be even more perfect.

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Not to suggest that fanbases are a hivemind, but honestly it's true that people on the one hand demand flaws, "imperfectness", unique features that doesn't result in everyone looking like supermodels walking off the runway for a stint of combat, and when those flaws do get added - in the Hrothgar's case hunchback - they're unused, ignored or demanded to be removed.

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You're not entirely wrong and I don't think they should put a lot of time or effort into adding perceived flaws just for the heck of it, but in the case of the Hrothgar hunchback the "flaw" isn't a choice or an option. You might see it less if it was, but the people that do like it would still have the option.

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Not to suggest that fanbases are a hivemind, but honestly it's true that people on the one hand demand flaws, "imperfectness", unique features that doesn't result in everyone looking like supermodels walking off the runway for a stint of combat, and when those flaws do get added - in the Hrothgar's case hunchback - they're unused, ignored or demanded to be removed.

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The problem with this is that the people demanding that are usually refering to scars or wrinkles. Hrothgar do have scars, but the beauty of those is that you can choose weather you like them or no, they are not forced upon you, unlike the hunch who I cannot toggle off if I don't like it.
Male Elezen have one of their head option to have an older looking character, but if some players don't like the look, there are 3 other options for them.

So while I agree that some people like imperfections cause it fits with their characters, others don't and would like a better or more pretty looking character. The name of the game is choice and on the subject of hunches for Hrothgar there is no choice. You either like it, tolerate it or set your 1 idle pose that keeps your back straight on the first sec you stop moving.

The more I look the more I find the ear decals are so adorable. Knowing how hard it seems to be to add new customization tabs I expect the only way we could ever get this added is as a separate ear choice with only one pattern, but that's completely by me. That's what they had to do with the Derplander stubble. I don't necessarily need Fran's exact pattern, these ones are simpler and just as cute.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FmmW7tEX...png&name=small

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The more I look the more I find the ear decals are so adorable. Knowing how hard it seems to be to add new customization tabs I expect the only way we could ever get this added is as a separate ear choice with only one pattern, but that's completely by me. That's what they had to do with the Derplander stubble. I don't necessarily need Fran's exact pattern, these ones are simpler and just as cute.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FmmW7tEX...png&name=small

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Those hairs would be really nice to have too. I think I especially like the one on the right.

So what Modern Aesthetics do folks want to see ported to Viera next?

My top 3 most desired styles for 6.4 would have to be:

1) Gyr Abanian Plait because there's zero way it won't look gorgeous on female Viera
https://gamerstips.com/wp-content/up...2/image-39.jpg

2) Minfilia from the cash shop because I own it from when I was a catgirl and I would like to have access to it again
http://i.imgur.com/sGgbryJ.jpg

3) Windcaller. Not because I particularly like it or I think it will look good on Viera, but because the sooner it gets ported to bunnies the sooner we'll have a timeframe for how long it'll be before Hrothgar get it. My understanding is it's probably the number one most wanted hairstyle for Hrothgar players.
https://img.republicworld.com/republ...602678213.jpeg

I also really like the classic Form and Function and I'm sure it will look beautiful on female Viera, but I think this one needs some extra editing and I hope they take their time with it. They'll need to address the braid because it lies directly where Viera ears are positioned. Of course, a lot of us probably won't care, but if they can add some extra hair strands like they did for the 2B style it would be preferable.
https://img2.finalfantasyxiv.com/acc...3a48e03bec.jpg

Plait because I've stockpiled the unlock item to sell lol and Aymeric's hair would be the ones Im looking forward to most. Also hope the Cloud one comes soon cause I feel bad for the people who won contests and essentially got their prize taken away.

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Plait because I've stockpiled the unlock item to sell lol and Aymeric's hair would be the ones Im looking forward to most. Also hope the Cloud one comes soon cause I feel bad for the people who won contests and essentially got their prize taken away.

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Well, well, speaking of those people who won the contest and couldn't use the reward...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FmoeQAuW...png&name=small

I chose it from the item list knowing full well I wouldn't be able to use it (right away), so it's partly on me, but hey! One day it'll be added. Not sure if it's something I'll use, but it's a neat novelty style to have.