Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

Me (whm) to the BLM : Why do you not use Fire4?

BLM : I'm learning the dungeon mechanic

Me : But that doesn't stop you from using those spells, and doing higher DPS and killing things faster.

BLM : 'Insert 5min rant about how to not tell me how to play my class'

Me : Ok. I normally never DPS in dungeons because DPS can do their jobs, but since the start of the dungeon i am helping with it.

BLM : Healers are suppose to DPS.

Me : So...because Healers have damaging spells for story progression/job progression, they are suppose to DPS in dungeons?

BLM : Pretty much, now do your job.

This went on for a while, eventually, when we got to the boss fight, i never healed him, although i did rez him and when i did, i said 'Sorry, too busy out-DPSin' you ;)'.

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Originally Posted by BroodingFicus

*comforts* You aren't alone.

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lol we'll fly someday :(

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Originally Posted by Jeibird

taking the Donald Trump approach to arguing is less useful on the internet where what you say is in writing jsyk

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I really don't know much about Donald trump, but I'm who I'm and I'm right on the subject. I always help people when needed. What people honestly expect in online world. Anyone could play it without any degree or experience. Meaning, there would be a time where we actually play with kids, or someone who is not intelligent. I take that part very seriously.. if someone insulting you, then report, if someone rage quit, then find another player. You can't change people in games... But what you can at least do is to try and work hard, find good friends etc. Its been 2 years since I played FFXIV, I had to catch up on many things. What I did was.. simple research, it didn't take me 10 minutes to figure out what needs to be done. What so bad about it.

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Originally Posted by AngelicSence

. What so bad about it.

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what you so bad ? just that you expect the rest to live by your standards.

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Originally Posted by MeiUshu

what you so bad ? just that you expect the rest to live by your standards.

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Ridiculous.. I never had any issues with players before. If you think that every person in FFXIV will take their time to help you, then you play completely different game. You have to understand that every players are different.. What people done here so far was, jump into the conclution without any critical thinking: like, oh my gosh, a video? are you serious??, or - so they deserve to be yelled at?. You guys made it look like I'm the evil player here, and other players following it. Like I said, if you want to be clueless person and expect people to help you all the time, good luck.. I'll leave it at this.. let's end it. I'm going to play some raids now. Take care yourself.

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Originally Posted by MeiUshu

what you so bad ? just that you expect the rest to live by your standards.

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They're not his standards, he's already mentioned he'll always help players. But most players, if you don't have 100% full multikill XP by the end of the first hour of the patch coming up, and you dare to make even the slightest mistake, then they will scream blue murder at you, threaten you, insult you, etc. Wouldn't surprise me if some tried to get your internet hacked so they could spill all your personal info on the internet with a bounty on your head. Like him, I'm the sort of player that will always try and help where I can and am perfectly fine if you enter it blind (different playstyles and all that), but him and I are the minority there.

I am sorry I am not totally in agreement that he is really wanting to help without really caring if people watched a video. my perception is more a double speech situation, where he wants to give the impression that he is helping all even if he spend 10mn watching a video. My perception is more that he is one of those that would make it known to the guy that if he had spend 10mn watching a video as HE did, HE wouldnt need to lose 10mn explaining.

Sorry I stand behind my answer.. of course I agree my will doesnt mean you have to abid to it but neither your will makes it so.

Just me though we just see and read different stuff between what he wants to say and how it comes out. Each to their own.

Got a level 60 roulette with my main, Dark Knight. Healer started bitching at the beggining because my race (Seeker of the Sun) is not the proper one for being tank, I should be a Roegarding Sea Wolf. He didn't wnt play with a noob, so he left. Okay, good luck searching specifically for a Sea Wolf tank on duty finder.

Yeah, the extra +3 VIT, like 40 more HP or so, will save my life.

Some people still do not undestand races in this game are purely glamour.

Boy howdy did I get a really good story.


I get Sephy on my trial roulette. I got the hang of the fight after a few rounds, well-- more than a few. I wanted to get the fight down in it's entirety. Looks imposing but really isn't bad at all since it's purely positioning and timing.

Well, a couple of people were new in this run. They actually got the hang of the fight really well. The weak link was a BRD who did this before and refused to dodge anything. Out of all the people in the group, he kept getting smacked the most and in the first phase got those nasty debuffs that make damage hit even harder. Also, he had plenty of those stacked. We wiped in the second phase but before the wipe, he and the other healer died. I prioritized the healer over him and he practically expected them to instantly swiftrez when they didn't have enough MP to do so yet. Since we didn't make the DPS check, we got smacked off the arena.

Someone leaves and they're replaced swiftly. The BRD in particular was getting angry over how he wasn't rezzed first and started namecalling, and I promptly told him that he should well... dodge. In the first phase, the new member to the party even noted that this BRD didn't bother to go behind Sephy each time he'd reel his fist back to do his AOE punch that causes the debuff. Because of the stacking debuffs + getting clobbered, BRD eats the dirt once again. The inexperienced members of the party were even saying how they were able to get a handle on this quickly.

I used swiftraise and the BRD decided to pout and complain as we started going through phase 2 and not accepting the raise, claiming how his DPS is really the deciding factor in the DPS check. New member goes "What a waste of a raise" and everyone is doing pretty well actually, far better than when this guy was involved and we make it through while he's laying on the floor!

I had a good laugh.

Yesterday doing Midas 4 normal, had a bit of trouble coordinating tank swaps with my fellow FC tank, and one of the dps told us to uninstall.

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Originally Posted by SummonerSenah

Yesterday doing Midas 4 normal, had a bit of trouble coordinating tank swaps with my fellow FC tank, and one of the dps told us to uninstall.

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O.o

That's just... What?

I mean sure, it's a tank you know relatively well, but did the (random) DPS know that? If they did, it's one thing, but even when it's a tank you know well, it's not always easy to co-ordinate. Messes happen to the best of us, like when the current MT lands their RoH/BB/PS just after your Provoke, or when the new MT fumbles a bit and misses to land an enmity-boosted attack directly after the Provoke (especially if DoTs are ticking).

But to expect perfect tankswaps from people who just now met each other? To the point that when you fumble with them instruct said tanks to uninstall the game? Just... what? O.o

I was running Midas 2 earlier this week with an FC tank, and the PLD died because he took too many stacks before I could peel the boss off him, I tried to pick it up but the monk got one-shot because they were at the top of the hate list, and the monk got super salty about how I lost hate to him. It's like, okay, MT dies, I have to swap to Defiance, provoke, and secure aggro and in the meantime, you're whaling on him to keep your GL stacks. YES, YOU DIED.

Not all tank swaps are perfect especially when switching stance after you provoke and get the aggro. Take Midas 3 for example, OT gets jail and need to run to save MT before MT dies...

Mentor MNK in my party ignored positionals completely and stood in front of mobs 90% of the time

GG

I was tanking Sunken Temple of Quarn (Normal Mode) in the leveling roulette just earlier with 3 other people, 2 of them being mentors, we got to the first boss and it was like nobody even knew what they were doing, no one stood on the orange the bees as well I had to kill the bees because no one was damaging them, the healer would not heal, the two other DPS looked like they were just auto attacking and we kept constantly wiping on it.

Take your goddamn crowns off! I was convinced they were just screwing with me in that run >.>
And on the topic of crowns I had someone in a sephirot EX run admit they only wanted to be a mentor for the crown. :mad: I am just going to automatically assume that a crown = bads, proceed with caution.

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Originally Posted by BrokenFox

Mentor MNK in my party ignored positionals completely and stood in front of mobs 90% of the time

GG

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Mentor system is a complete joke since the only thing you need to be good at to be a mentor is mindlessly grinding stuff.

Did Sephy normal yesterday with some of my FC mates and my my.... Some people just can't handle wipes. First time we wiped was not knowing what to do. However after the second wipe the other healer "calls out" my FC mate who was a SCH asking if he was trolling or that bad. He replies with his that bad. Next thing you know Vote abandon. Right so, two people level and we get two new peeps. Low and behold we managed to down him the third try.....however around 1% I just walked off the platform like a derp. :X And beside that we did pretty well for the last run. lol

There needs to be some sort of feedback system for mentors. Maybe give ranks of mentor and it only raises on comm amounts AS a mentor.

Yesterday was doing the Aery for the DRG relic, got an in-prog to about halfway between second boss and Nidhogg. The tank and dps I replaced had left, apparently because of bad heals.

Said healer only did bad when I A.) Surprised pulled the first pack (they thought the Monk was going to), and B.) On Nidhogg when they got stunned and I didn't notice in time to help before dieing. We still killed Nidhogg without a tank.

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Originally Posted by BrokenFox

Mentor MNK in my party ignored positionals completely and stood in front of mobs 90% of the time

GG

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Similar story here. Had a mentor melee (can't recall job, I think NIN) who pulled Mog HM as soon as shield dropped. We died to King exploding us all with only three moogles dead and said mentor instantly dropped on respawn.

Isn't there some method of reporting mentors, which can potentially lead to them getting banned from being a mentor? I seem to recall seeing something in the patch notes about it, including something along the lines of that if a mentor is not upholding what SE wants mentors to be (if they're trolling, sucking at their job, griefing or whining, etc) it is grounds for reporting.

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Originally Posted by LordLucavi

Isn't there some method of reporting mentors, which can potentially lead to them getting banned from being a mentor? I seem to recall seeing something in the patch notes about it, including something along the lines of that if a mentor is not upholding what SE wants mentors to be (if they're trolling, sucking at their job, griefing or whining, etc) it is grounds for reporting.

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Nothing in Duty Finder unfortunately other than the usual vote kick, which... does not penalise the mentor.
You can however kick them from the novice chat I believe, if you deem them to be acting in a way that removing them is justified, unfortunately that is only temporary and prevents you from removing anyone else acting in the same manner for a time.

That's how I recall it, I should just read the patch notes...

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Originally Posted by LordLucavi

Isn't there some method of reporting mentors, which can potentially lead to them getting banned from being a mentor? I seem to recall seeing something in the patch notes about it, including something along the lines of that if a mentor is not upholding what SE wants mentors to be (if they're trolling, sucking at their job, griefing or whining, etc) it is grounds for reporting.

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There isn't a new way to do this, just the old way of reporting. Under the main menu, go to 'support desk', then 'contact us', and then... most likely 'report harassment'.

I was MTing Main Scenario as a Paladin earlier and everything was going fine and then we got to Nero. I saw the Bard's name was Dark Something, so I was like, "Dark do the thing!" So I was waiting for the LB noise when I heard the Dark Knight switch to Grit and lunge at him. I was thinking to myself, yup that was poor communication on my part. And the Dark Knight just tanked the rest of the run.

A simple DF story that is making me cry? Here it is: Toto-Rak in Leveling Roulette, for almost two weeks straight now. I consider giving up on Leveling Roulette, I can't stand that dungeon anymore -_-

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Originally Posted by Izularia

A simple DF story that is making me cry? Here it is: Toto-Rak in Leveling Roulette, for almost two weeks straight now. I consider giving up on Leveling Roulette, I can't stand that dungeon anymore -_-

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As soon as my gladiator hit level 16, I got Tam-Tara every day in Leveling Roulette until the one day I hit level 44 on paladin - then I spent an entire week tanking Dzemael Darkhold .___.

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Originally Posted by bounddreamer

I was running Midas 2 earlier this week with an FC tank, and the PLD died because he took too many stacks before I could peel the boss off him, I tried to pick it up but the monk got one-shot because they were at the top of the hate list, and the monk got super salty about how I lost hate to him. It's like, okay, MT dies, I have to swap to Defiance, provoke, and secure aggro and in the meantime, you're whaling on him to keep your GL stacks. YES, YOU DIED.

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Best story ever... probably not for the reason you think.

As 50 DRG, i often attack a target no one else really attacks so i actually have time to set up debuffs and DoTs cause i like it, and it's nice training to remember when to refresh on stronger mobs or bosses.

Is that wrong?

This is now about players who refuse to crossclass the basic stuff like swiftcast, raging strikes and the likes. My boyfriend just had a healer in M4 without swift who got told off by the party and reminded me of old times extremes I was trying to clear in DF. This guy in M4 apprently answered that it was his third alt in an attempt to excuse his lack of crossclass, but imo this doesn't say much in his favour. Like, ok you spent the time to level 3 characters to 60, do endgame with them and still don't know the basics? I've got 3 alts myself and first thing I do before entering dungeons for the first time is making sure they got all their crossclass skills ready, at least the needed things, it only takes a few hours to get it all ready and sorted ^^;

In my case it was mainly healers aswell who either don't get how this game is all about combining and mixing all classes into one character, don't understand how their decisions help or hinder the party, or "I pay my suscription, I play as I want".

First one amongst quiet a few I've come across was in Iffy extreme, a whm with only one other class, thaumaturge 15, just enough to have whm. His attitude was very cocky too. I was on blm and his co-healer died. While this guy hardcasts raise, the tanks were going down, then me, then wipe, and he was still casting. I ask "you don't have swiftcast?" and check party list. Nope, thm 15. He starts "Can't be arsed to". We try again. Same story, but I die now after the co-healer, and say something like "you really should get it, it's only a few more levels and it will help a lot". Cocky guy: "I hate blm, if I wanted to be a blm, I'd be one. I'm a whm, I hate blms stfu noob". We wipe again. The party starts telling him off, he keeps focus on me telling me l2p and learn to dodge and blm noob and things. Apparently it was my fault that the party wiped all over again while he was hardcasting raise on the co-healer and not healing the tanks... Anyways, I wanted to kick him so bad but we abandoned.

Iffy X again, now a sch without swift... this guy doesn't even answer (I kept quiet, someone else asked him about it, I think the other healer) about how he enters extremes without having his class basics etc. Wipe and wipe and abandon, god I only wanted the clear and move on... a new DF party and there he is again! No success again and I just did something else that day. Eventually I got the clear on all extremes thank the 12 but what a journey...

Then HW, loads of 60 healers again with the same story, no swift, blms without raging, tanks without any other tank skills etc etc etc...
I keep seeing these kind of people and some make me cringe but none like the first guy, the cocky guy, christ I wanted to slap him so bad, and still do :/

I can imagine seeing these people later on, having been carried through all extremes and coils and alexes and shouting "See?! Didn't need crossclass after all! Noob!"

Yay to that, just had an ST run on kitty alt (she has all needed crossclass skills) as whm, our pld was the entire run without any oath, and my fellow whm with thm15 moaning about early pulls (not early, but he couldn't slowcast SS2) with medica2 spam, no dps and general overcuring \(^_^)/

Raids are very forgiving for slowcasting Stoneskin II.

First you Sprint ahead of the group to the boss arena, then when you see the last party member appear on your minimap you start casting. They will reach you within one second of Stoneskin II being cast.

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Originally Posted by Moonleg

Raids are very forgiving for slowcasting Stoneskin II.

First you Sprint ahead of the group to the boss arena, then when you see the last party member appear on your minimap you start casting. They will reach you within one second of Stoneskin II being cast.

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Yeah, I almost never waste a swift on SSII anymore, I just run ahead, or position myself past the treasure chest after a boss fight. If people run past they don't get it, and it doesn't bother me, they just go further down my healing priority list.

So what are you saying? Don't bother getting swift for a whm cause you can just not care and put ppl down on your priority list cause they ran ahead? And therefore don't bother getting it for raises cause if they die it's their own fault? o_O Way to go?

That ...

That isn't what I said at all.

I'm sharing this just because it was awesome. Leveling brd and doing cutter's cry just now. We get to the chimera, rest of the party dies at around 50%. I proceed to solo the chimera from that point and killed it. Yay kiting.

Well I just had the opposite of a bad mentor, I had someone rude to me instead.

I was doing my Mentor Roulette and got Ultima, I told them that I hadn't run it in a looong time so I didn't remember everything 100%. I said orbs needed to be picked up and I was pretty sure they were split, I told the tanks they needed to tank swap at 3 stacks, and that the fight was pretty close to the Prae Ultima. So off we went.

I took the first orb to the face and died (naturally), then informed the party that splitting was needed. Well no one wanted to split orbs with me the second set, so I sac'd myself for progression sake since we had 2-3 newbies. After we wiped I told them that we needed to split orbs, and off we went again. Splitting went good until the last 4, I asked the tanks to use LB since we had a couple DPS with double weakness. Last four orbs went off and someone started freaking out that the orbs did damage saying that I should have said so sooner... even though I did. .-. And I even said we needed to split it. Sigh.

Third pull we're at <10% and we're once again really slow with the final four orbs, we got 3/4 so I pop sprint and run into the final set of orbs just as they're about to collide (phew). And we cleared! Props to my AST co-healer. That wasn't a horrific run, but it wasn't that great either. orz

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Originally Posted by Bebekurenai

So what are you saying? Don't bother getting swift for a whm cause you can just not care and put ppl down on your priority list cause they ran ahead? And therefore don't bother getting it for raises cause if they die it's their own fault? o_O Way to go?

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Amazing that is what you took away from that. Hit the mark as much as your sig pic.

Just had one I thought was pretty hilarious. Ran Midas 4 the tank I am with is a Paladin (me as DRK) we have about equal health so I ask if he wants me to MT and he says yes as he only has done this once (so have I but its simple). Let him know to provoke at 1 stack we start going, I get my stack he provokes and down he goes. Immediatly provoke it back and popping massive cool downs I wind up with 2 stacks. He takes it and drops to I'd say 100 or so HP. Gets healed up and we go on. Next phase I take the one that does the 1h/2h cannon, he pulls the 1H out and I see the DRG and MNK standing right next to me, I panic and run to the left and they follow me and proceed to get mad. I don't know much about DRG/MNK but I thought only ninja had a skill used in front, however they sat next to me way longer than I liked. I will say at this point we had people randomly dropping to the ground like crazy even before this phase except for healers and me.

Move on the phase 2nd group with no issue. Final phase I provoke and tank it, no issue at all. After they split and do their crazy "WTF" attack I see provoke go off and he runs to paladin, who is swiftly bitch slapped and knocked unconscious. We power down then the 30sec warning pops, we end up clearing with 1sec left. Left with 0 commends.

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Originally Posted by Whiteroom

Amazing that is what you took away from that. Hit the mark as much as your sig pic.

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It's what I understood from your post. The whole "If people don't watch where I am, I don't watch for them" mentality. Isn't that what you said? O_o I'm confused.

"If people run past they don't get it, and it doesn't bother me, they just go further down my healing priority list." <-----

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Originally Posted by Moonleg

That ...

That isn't what I said at all.

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That was for Whiteroom, not for you! Sorry I should have quoted ;)

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Originally Posted by Bebekurenai

It's what I understood from your post. The whole "If people don't watch where I am, I don't watch for them" mentality. Isn't that what you said? O_o I'm confused.

"If people run past they don't get it, and it doesn't bother me, they just go further down my healing priority list." <-----



That was for Whiteroom, not for you! Sorry I should have quoted ;)

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If they decide to run ahead while I am casting it, when I have already taken steps to ensure I am a couple seconds ahead of them on a 5.8 second cast, then yes, they drop down my priority list. They obviously don't care enough to have it, so I will prioritize those who make my job easier. I am not there to babysit a dps who is only going to have to stop and wait for the tank anyway. If someone cannot be bothered to work with the team, they are definitely of lower priority than those who do to me.

But no, I do not waste a swiftcast on Stoneskin II, why would I, swift is better used for rez, holy, or emergency heals.
How you take that as:

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Originally Posted by Bebekurenai

Don't bother getting swift for a whm cause you can just not care and put ppl down on your priority list cause they ran ahead? And therefore don't bother getting it for raises cause if they die it's their own fault? o_O Way to go?

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is a little mind boggling.