No, I don't think people understand the theoretical underpinning for queue processing. They think by adding a wart here and there will improve the situation when it will do no such thing. The queuing problem is equivalent to network scheduling for packetized/cell switch networks. Just like no one want more lag/latency with their packets, nobody needs more delays in the DF queues. All this about pausing and increasing withdraw timeout is equivalent to bufferbloat. See:Quote:
Originally Posted by Tiggy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bufferbloat
All that does is create more complexity and more people stuck in queues. People that queue on the DF but then say they are not really queuing because they want to prioritize netflix, walking their dog, answering the door, crafting, hunts, etc. are not helping with the system being more efficient or the queues move faster. Given that there is theoretical limit base on the rate of tank and healer queuing, you simply can not go faster than that.
Notice how the queuing system is functionally essentially the same, and is fundamentally sound, before and after penalty. The penalty does not change how the DF queue algorithm works, it is meant to change player behavior, and for the most part the penalty is doing a reasonably good job at that. What is so unreasonable about asking people to behave better (have some common sense and promote the common courtesy) so that the system works better for everyone?
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11-25-2014, 05:00 AMNyarukoW
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11-25-2014, 05:15 AMTiggy
I like how that has literally nothing to do with what I just said and utterly failed to even address the message of the post. Good day to you.
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11-25-2014, 08:52 AMIzsha
Ryndael. How many times have you been locked out since patch? You must be getting constant lockouts every day to justify these complaints. I have yet to get locked out once. Most everyone I know only got locked out either testing it or before they understood/knew there was a penalty.
I see withdraw spam nearly eliminated. Heck even my Frontline cues are always 65+ now making for more balanced matches. Neither I or my friends ever get locked out, but over 50 pages ranting about the horrible injustice of this cruel punishing system.
Are you guys legitimately getting locked 5x a day or just ranting on the injustice of hypothetical situations that don't actually happen? Or maybe everyone's just mad they can't fish anymore. Either way this doesn't add up anymore. -
11-25-2014, 09:31 AMNiwashiIt's true that for many players that's in fact the main "penalty" now, but the problem is that it's a penalty that applies to some players and not others. So the 30 minute penalty that SE added on top of it was to make it a little more equal between different players. Until that 30 minute penalty was added, tanks could (and many did) just continually queue-withdraw-queue-withdraw-queue-withdraw-queue-withdraw over and over again, because missing a queue wasn't a penalty for classes that get instant queues.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zumi
One possibility might be to make the time lost from the queue count towards the 30-minute penalty. So if someone gets an instant queue and withdraws, they have a 30 minute penalty imposed. If someone is in queue for 20 minutes and then withdraws, they have a 10 minute penalty imposed. If someone is in queue for 30 minutes or more, and then withdraws, there's no additional penalty. That would be because having lost their place in queue has already cost them more than 30 minutes, and that inherent "penalty" has all the deterrent effect of an imposed one.
I certainly agree that players should not be shown the progress of a run until they've actually entered it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zumi
However, the idea of starting instances without the full group present adds other problems. If a DPS player can team up with a tank to get an instant queue, but the tank doesn't enter the instance, then the DPS player has just cut in line by getting the priority of an existing instance that's short of players. Only players who actually enter the instance should be considered when deciding who the DF groups together, and that means having it decide the full group at once (as it does now).
Yes, and we know what you think, too, so stop harassing her. Some of the rest of us would like to have an actual discussion that's not continually interrupted by your desire to throw personal insults.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tiggy
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11-25-2014, 01:01 PMLamby
No, it's fine, I deserve a 30 minute lockout because someone else walked away at the wrong time after a long queue. I, who has been online for an hour, am being punished because SOMEBODY ELSE screwed up three times today. Thanks, Squeenix. Neat feature. I just wanted to do t6 while I have some time off work.
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11-25-2014, 05:46 PMTupsiYour post was...for the most part a blatant personal attack against her. Her post is actually more on topic than yours was.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tiggy
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11-25-2014, 06:57 PMAshkendorYou don't get a 30 minute lockout for someone else withdrawing unless you already withdrew twice yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lamby
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11-25-2014, 08:34 PMWildspriteyou only get punished if they withdrew 3 times if you were in party with them when they did it. check your own DF, if it isn't full of locks you arent being punished.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lamby
no that is incorrect, if he is in party and 3 of his party members choose to withdraw when the commence screen comes up he gets dinged with all 3 of those.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ashkendor
you should also note that this collective punishment also happens with a fully formed party outside of CT/ST.
honestly if any of you see that as fair you really need a reality check.
this is in essence like being in 3rd grade all over again when some disruptive student does something while the teacher's back is turned and the teacher chooses to punish everyone for it.
please do note I'm not against this punishment as a single player punishment. but if I do something to get dinged I really don't think it fair that if I'm in party they get it too. -
11-25-2014, 10:45 PMTiggyI'm all good with that, but what that person does is hardly a discussion. It's a consistent 30+ page long reiteration of the same points over and over after every new poster by the same person tempting to beat them into submission. At some point it's not a discussion but an echo chamber for one person where dissenting opinions immediately have their throats jumped down and then Nyaraku defending herself by downplaying every opposing opinion with utterly dismissive statements like.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niwashi
This thread has better conversation when she walks away since different opinions are actually allowed to be shared without instantly getting thrown down by the Nyaraku response. It may be an unpopular opinion with some of you, but I don't really care.Quote:
Originally Posted by NyarukoW
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11-25-2014, 10:51 PMTupsiIf this was the case it was no excuse to personally attack her when she wasn't even initially responding to you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tiggy
In otherwords, she was still correct - You don't get a lockout unless you have 3 strike counted towards yourself. Meaning ONE PERSON withdrawing (what she was referring to) will not lock you out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wildsprite