Viera and Hrothgar Megathread

I am pretty disappointed with how the WHM headpiece sits on a viera's head. See, I had this outfit idea in mind, but I had to scrap it due to clipping and floating. Just some sample shots:

Current hairstyle (one of the ported hairs), almost passable. However, due to clipping with this top's collar, unusable
https://i.ibb.co/Tg1xzhM/fsgdfsgfdgdf.png

Less clipping, but this piece floats too much over her head to justify being usable:
https://i.ibb.co/XJDhzxK/asdfasdfasfsaf.png

Another example of the floating:
https://i.ibb.co/RHCFMch/asdfasdfasfdafs.png

This floats over the viera's head with almost every single hairstyle available, and when it isn't, it is clipping inside the hair itself:

Example:
https://i.ibb.co/125gHby/dafdsfasdf435.png

There are less than a handful of hairstyles that are passable with this piece, and even less so when further hair clipping is taken into account. Too bad. :(

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

I am pretty disappointed with how the WHM headpiece sits on a viera's head. See, I had this outfit idea in mind, but I had to scrap it due to clipping and floating. Just some sample shots:

Current hairstyle (one of the ported hairs), almost passable. However, due to clipping with this top's collar, unusable
https://i.ibb.co/Tg1xzhM/fsgdfsgfdgdf.png

Less clipping, but this piece floats too much over her head to justify being usable:
https://i.ibb.co/XJDhzxK/asdfasdfasfsaf.png

Another example of the floating:
https://i.ibb.co/RHCFMch/asdfasdfasfdafs.png

This floats over the viera's head with almost every single hairstyle available, and when it isn't, it is clipping inside the hair itself:

Example:
https://i.ibb.co/125gHby/dafdsfasdf435.png

There are less than a handful of hairstyles that are passable with this piece, and even less so when further hair clipping is taken into account. Too bad. :(

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I've noticed this trend to focus on something not looking great on Viera and ignore the context.
This floats high on and clips with all females.

https://i.imgur.com/ChnhwIa.png
https://i.imgur.com/TYHKLEl.png
https://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/w/imag...Female-Roe.png
https://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/w/imag...ale-Elezen.png

The difference is, I guess, that other females have more hairstyles and many more headgear options, so no one cares about a random floating tiara. There are more hairstyles that go with it and more options to not hyper focus on it, I'd think.

So yeah, this isn't a Viera problem or a problem with how they made it fit Viera ... Viera just don't have as many Hairstyles as other races to match it.
(It looks trash on Hrothgar because it's a forehead band on males and Hrothgar have 4 different forehead shapes ... so foreheads bands look bad on em)

The clipping with the chiton collar is also universal. My main character has the same issue with it clipping into her hair, and I generally feel like it sits too close to the face. The chiton would look bette without it, but they seem to have a specific thing about adding big collars to the mage versions of things compared to DPS.

Seriously. Just give me great lengths. It cant be that hard. Just don't let it sit at the top of the head so we again get a huge forehead. I want that hairstyle. We have similar ones but that one would look GREAT with the glam I have in mind. Going through the few hairstyles atm just fills me with a bit of rage. Seeing the hairstyles we got (besides the karen one) is just eurgh.

Yes please great lengths and gyr abanian plait, i need these hairstyles!

Yeah, the actual desirable hairs are a must. I'll be very disappointed if the next hair update doesn't have anything that looks good.

I need all of the hairstyles!! I really hope we get more next patch, and eventually all of them + the new ones by default!

I wouldnt mind sharing the male/female ones inbetween vieras tbh. I love the short wavy style the males have.

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Originally Posted by reivaxe

Ignoring the rest of the player base to make hair just for V/H is non-sense.

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But ignoring Viera and Hrothgar for 3+ years to give other races hats and more hairstyles is okay?

+1 to bump this thread.
@Moderator,
Despite Yoshi's 2019 statement potentially being a mistranslation, surely this thread is enough proof that this request is high in demand therefore should be noticed. Not only should Hrothgar and Viera get more race-exclusive hairstyles to make up for lack of headgear (therefore, feeling somewhat 'less limited') but we've been requesting this for 3 years with no communication nor Yoshi addressing it.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

I am pretty disappointed with how the WHM headpiece sits on a viera's head. See, I had this outfit idea in mind, but I had to scrap it due to clipping and floating. Just some sample shots:

Current hairstyle (one of the ported hairs), almost passable. However, due to clipping with this top's collar, unusable
https://i.ibb.co/Tg1xzhM/fsgdfsgfdgdf.png

Less clipping, but this piece floats too much over her head to justify being usable:
https://i.ibb.co/XJDhzxK/asdfasdfasfsaf.png

Another example of the floating:
https://i.ibb.co/RHCFMch/asdfasdfasfdafs.png

This floats over the viera's head with almost every single hairstyle available, and when it isn't, it is clipping inside the hair itself:

Example:
https://i.ibb.co/125gHby/dafdsfasdf435.png

There are less than a handful of hairstyles that are passable with this piece, and even less so when further hair clipping is taken into account. Too bad. :(

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I hate how there isn't even a reason for this. They just didn't try.

I am still blown away by some of the hairstyles they haven't added that would seriously be very easy to add, Wind Caller is especially baffling to me considering Bozja is Shadowbringers, so they made a Hairstyle IN THE EXPANSION VIERA WAS ADDED IN, that was not Viera compatible just... because? I don't like complaining about stuff, but it is very frustrating to see these arbitrary seeming restrictions on just 2 races, a duct tape fix would honestly be better. I don't know how it took them a dynasty just to add a handful of hairstyles, most of which Viera already has an alternative for in their default ones. So they just retreaded the same ground with the additions, instead of adding wide varieties that we're missing. I've wanted Lexen Tails since I first saw it, and they still haven't just made a version for people with 2 sticks coming out of their head, it's really frustrating.

Just thought I'd put this here, considering this is the home of complaints like this, let me know if you feel the same.

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Originally Posted by Akimori

I agree there. I was a bit disappointed that a lot of the questions involving the races were more geared towards Viera and not hrothgar, but I can only assume that both are included in the mix. Now, that being said, It is incredibly frustrating that I can't customize my Viera the way I'd want to customize her:

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...04/unknown.png

^My beautiful Queen. My patience is practically running on fumes at this point as we are the only two races that pay the same amount of money/month, but get less content. For anyone reading this and has something to say, I will say this:

Customization is considered content. Since we have limited customization options, we by default have access to Less content!

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Without forgetting all the hats and hairstyles we purchase on the online store and can't use. Sure it is written on the label but still kind of unfair.

+ 1 bump to this thread.
As a new player i was really looking forward to character customisation. I happened to choose a Viera cause really liked the look of them. It is only much later while i was playing that i learned i actually wasn't able to use hats or many of the headgear and hairstyles and this made me really dissapointed. I just can"t believe this isn't fixed yet. Should the playerbase need to go as far as a online petition on www.change.org to make things move in this front ??

I hope it's allowed, if not I apologise, but I want to bump this thread again too. I love my Viera but the limited customisation is really sad, some of the hairs other races have would 100% make sense for Viera imo but idk why they're not implemented. give bunnies & lions love pls Square. :(

I think for future hairstyles added to Hroth/Viera, it would be really awesome if there was some sort of poll or voting for which hairstyles are chosen.

Anybody have a picture of the new hairstyles from the Island Sanctuary on Hrothgar? I wanted to give them a look.

Unlocked the Practical Ponytails hairstyle, and here's how it looks on Hrothgar.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...010850_657.png
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...010857_153.png

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

Unlocked the Practical Ponytails hairstyle, and here's how it looks on Hrothgar.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...010857_153.png

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Are our heads really that egg-shaped at the back?

Looking at various lion heads on google...apparently lions have that too.

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Originally Posted by Sandoran

+ 1 bump to this thread.
As a new player i was really looking forward to character customisation. I happened to choose a Viera cause really liked the look of them. It is only much later while i was playing that i learned i actually wasn't able to use hats or many of the headgear and hairstyles and this made me really dissapointed. I just can"t believe this isn't fixed yet. Should the playerbase need to go as far as a online petition on www.change.org to make things move in this front ??

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They are adding hairstyles now. It's almost safe to presume we will have most shared hairstyles relatively soon, and future ones fitted as well. A wish of mine would be to get some more racial unique hairstyles, but I am pretty doubtful that they will do that. At the very least after we get our shared hairs available, hopefully the new hairs are of quality and look good on viera.

As someone who was a viera day one, I am more and more in a satisfied state. I honestly have more hair that I like and can use on viera than I would on au ra, and with a few more hair additions, miqo'te as well. It's like I was saying, one of my favorite hairs for a miqo'te I actually prefer on viera, and some of my favorite headgear doesn't clip into the bangs like it does miqo'te either. Hats would be nice to have, and I will still strive and keep giving feedback for them for them to be made available for players who want them, especially artifact pieces, but it doesn't really matter to me personally.

I don't really see a reason to switch off of viera personally anymore, after the more recent hair additions - and there should be more, good hair, additions (hopefully) in the near future.. We still have some desirable shared hairs left! I think my mood has probably been showing on the forums as well, as I have been generally, out of character.. positive! I am quite happy with my most recent rava, I think I like her more than any of my veenas if I am being honest too.

Maybe in the future after the shared hairs are done they can start taking a look at more headgear, it does seem like they have been making attempts to make more useable... Although, I dislike them removing racial features like ears to accomplish such.

Really happy with the new hairs too. I don’t see myself keeping drinking fantasia anymore.
What a relief !

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Originally Posted by ValkyriaCrystalis

Really happy with the new hairs too. I don’t see myself keeping drinking fantasia anymore.
What a relief !

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No real reason to, as it would just be switching back when more hairs come out (like $20 worth of fantasia!). Some of the hairs we still have yet to get should probably look pretty good on viera (if done well by SE).

While I've come to terms SE will never fix the bun hat thing. I found these two zootopia fanarts to be what I would want from hats that can't be ear'd very well. I just love how they look even if you're not a flop ear. I can imagine the ears being tied up behind the head like a pony tail as well.

https://i.imgur.com/gWGqUq0.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/XhHHQWS.jpg

The ungratefulness shown by viera and hrothgar upsets me. The fact that Square Enix created your beloved races isn't enough? What more do you people want? Resources are limited and they are slowly attempting to placate you by updating each with new hairstyles as frequently as they can. If you ask me in my humblest of opinions Square Enix should remove both races in retaliation towards the hate they have shown their creators.

https://i.imgur.com/zlPYR8J.jpeg

Yoshiplease just a crumb of character hairstyles i beg...

I can understand Viera and Hroth not being able to wear hats of 1.0 till 5.0, but why are they still not able to wear 6.0 hats?

Will this mean that they won't be able to wear 7.0 hats aswell?

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Originally Posted by Laerune

I can understand Viera and Hroth not being able to wear hats of 1.0 till 5.0, but why are they still not able to wear 6.0 hats?

Will this mean that they won't be able to wear 7.0 hats aswell?

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The general answer to that is that if the hat requiers hair to be partially shown, it won't work on Viera and Horthgar because they didn't create those models for them. If the model doesn't show hair at all or doesn't affect them - the item typically works (but I've seen exceptions to this rule as well).

And yes, unless they adress the thing with adjusted hair in hats - it might mean that they still will be unable to wear majority of the headpieces in 7.0. They might leave it untill the time they're done with catching up on haircuts (which should be around 7.2 probably if they won't drop the last batch in full with 7.0 release), but I wouldn't hold my hopes on it.

I went viera once shadowbringer early access was released and was one for 4 years but till a week ago I changed to Au'ra due to sick of LACK OF HATS and not seeing how new hats look like. All new hairstyles are short ones that all look same to me.

Because we can't wear most hats, I remember viera race was promised new unique race hairstyles instead but that is long forgotten.

I have given up waiting :)

Probably an unpopular opinion, but Viera helmets (if they ever arrive) should not have the ears poking out. Hats are a different matter, comfort is important there, but the purpose of a helmet is to protect the head, including the ears. I feel like Viera would just fold their ears back to fit inside the helmet. Rabbit ears can do that, after all.

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Originally Posted by Vinter

Probably an unpopular opinion, but Viera helmets (if they ever arrive) should not have the ears poking out. Hats are a different matter, comfort is important there, but the purpose of a helmet is to protect the head, including the ears. I feel like Viera would just fold their ears back to fit inside the helmet. Rabbit ears can do that, after all.

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Yep the Viera on the left is a great example of this.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GUq2y84W...pg&name=medium

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Originally Posted by Vinter

Probably an unpopular opinion, but Viera helmets (if they ever arrive) should not have the ears poking out. Hats are a different matter, comfort is important there, but the purpose of a helmet is to protect the head, including the ears. I feel like Viera would just fold their ears back to fit inside the helmet. Rabbit ears can do that, after all.

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I'm against it. I like my ears, and the only thing that differentiates me from a Hyur are my ears. If they cut the ears off of one helmet, they'll do it to all hats, just like they're doing with the Miqo'tes. I'd much rather have ear pockets (like they did with the Vanguard Helm of Fending, for example), or if they're too lazy to model exclusive helmets for us, they could at least let my ears pass through the helmets.

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Originally Posted by KatTip

Yep the Viera on the left is a great example of this.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GUq2y84W...pg&name=medium

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In this image, it's clear that the ears didn't "disappear" inside the helmet; they're bent behind it. Honestly, I'd even agree that my ears should bend down to put on a helmet, but I doubt it's possible to model the ears in the same way hair is modeled to fit helmets.

And again, more Dungeon/Raid/Tome sets that are incompatible with Viera and Hroths, 4+ years after their release. Over half of the Artifact gear are incompatible with those races, many pieces of gear have bad scaling and weren't done correctly, Hairstyles are limited and half-assed when they're added to the new races. What is the QA on the cosmetics in this game? Dawntrail is set up to be more of the same where they promise "Viera hats soon please be patient" and then we hear nothing for 2 years until Yoshida needs to go on a press tour again.

Are the item team just wildly incompetent? Those 2 races have been around for about half the life of the game now, there are no valid excuses as far as I'm concerned when CS3 is designing and modeling this gear themselves from the ground up, and can design the gear in a way that works with all the races and not just a few.

Yeah, finally pulled the trigger and chugged that Dawntrail fantasia a few days ago. When/if they ever get around to finishing Viera, maybe I'll go back, but for now, nah.

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Originally Posted by Adamantini

Honestly, I'd even agree that my ears should bend down to put on a helmet, but I doubt it's possible to model the ears in the same way hair is modeled to fit helmets.

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It's possible. It just seems unlikely they'll put in the work lol.

Would like it if SE would finish adding hairstyles to Viera
they still do not have access to Y'shtola or Thancreds Mog station hairs

edit: they also don't have access to Aymerics hair from mog station