Viera as the next new race~ Show your support

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Originally Posted by Mahrze

Fair or simplified?

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The argument of "but it's just a hyur with <insert animal parts>!" is tiresome. At this point, SE is obviously sticking with humanoid races. However, they all come with rather distinct body shapes, very different facial features and different mannerisms through their emotes/poses.

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Originally Posted by Skivvy

The argument of "but it's just a hyur with <insert animal parts>!" is tiresome. At this point, SE is obviously sticking with humanoid races. However, they all come with rather distinct body shapes, very different facial features and different mannerisms through their emotes/poses.

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That's my point. I agree that SE wants the whole "kemonomimi" thing as a rule of thumb. But we -can- ask for more nuance to the races while also expecting a new one and Viera is the highest one in demand. The issue as it stands is that the "duality" of the current races is of so little relevance they might s well not exist as races but as cultures. For all the lore this game has, the racial depth and its exploration as a culture in the game's universe is shallow AF.

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Originally Posted by Mahrze

That's my point. I agree that SE wants the whole "kemonomimi" thing as a rule of thumb. But we -can- ask for more nuance to the races while also expecting a new one and Viera is the highest one in demand. The issue as it stands is that the "duality" of the current races is of so little relevance they might s well not exist as races but as cultures. For all the lore this game has, the racial depth and its exploration as a culture in the game's universe is shallow AF.

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I was agreeing with you! Sorry if it didn't come off that way. lol :X

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Originally Posted by Skivvy

I was agreeing with you! Sorry if it didn't come off that way. lol :X

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On the contrary, I apologize for misreading the post. xD

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Originally Posted by Mahrze

Fair or simplified?

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I don't remember Viera having any real depth

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Originally Posted by jameseoakes

I don't remember Viera having any real depth

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I don't see any race in XIV having any depth either, much of what is in lore (book and in-game anecdotes) is not fully explored/conveyed as a culture for each race, only exception is the Xaela, which is beside the point if we are being fair.

But, focusing back on the topic. The concept art did show that they would fall in the range of highlanders/elezen, which would be pretty nice.

https://i.imgur.com/dCW9G7x.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/TkYRYXd.jpg

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Originally Posted by jameseoakes

I don't remember Viera having any real depth

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There are races currently in the game that have not been explored besides little text box blips. Looking at Duskwights, Hellsguard, Keepers...

I mean Viera are already pretty humanoid. If SE can't recreate the small differences that make them "Viera" and instead just make another base Hyur model and staple bunny ears to them...I wouldn't know what to say. That almost just sounds incompetent.

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Originally Posted by Tsumdere

There are races currently in the game that have not been explored besides little text box blips. Looking at Duskwights, Hellsguard, Keepers...

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See Padjal.

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Originally Posted by NewAgeDoom

See Padjal.

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padjal are special and it makes a lot of sense they aren't a playable race.
What he was referring to is that for most playable races only one side is explored in depth in game while the other just has a little text blurb in character creation

I'd certainly like to see them as a more beastial race especially on the female side after au ra just got kpop stars with horns. Their basic build is very elezen like with some highlander features
and it's been shows the feet do fit in boots, it appears the stiletto is just a preference and could easily be put in as a racial piece.

with the fur pattern skin tones, tall ears, turned up tails, and bulky size, I think they would definitely stand out from the crowd

and if they made them actually have two stand apart sub races like hyur with that vierafel variant as well they would really add a ton more variance

would at least make the high likely-hood of new classes being one tank/healer and yet another dps more digestible

Padjal also aren't a race. They're just Midlander Hyurs that the Elementals in the Twelveswood basically bless which makes them grow horns as kids/teenagers.

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Originally Posted by Doluka

Padjal also aren't a race. They're just Midlander Hyurs that the Elementals in the Twelveswood basically bless which makes them grow horns as kids/teenagers.

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And they never grow past the age they were chosen either if I remember correctly.

You do remember correctly. They don't seem to die natural deaths after that point either. I forget which one, but one of them, either the one connected with Odin, or the conjurer's guild master, is over 200. One of the others is 80 something. And I think one in the lore was something along the lines of 5-600, but that may just be my terrible memory having a laugh at my expense. I haven't looked at the Encyclopedia in quite a while.

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Originally Posted by Mahrze

For all the lore this game has, the racial depth and its exploration as a culture in the game's universe is shallow AF.

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I agree 100% and it's probably the one thing that bothers me the most about FFXIV. When I try to introduce friends to FFXIV and FF in general, I clarify to them that FFXIV is but a washed out, shallow version of other FF games in terms of cultural and racial diversity because I just don't think FFXIV is that appealing racial/cultural wise. I would honestly like to see more creative races as a whole, like Yuke, Lilty (in lieu of lala), Ronso, Garif (unf, yes), bangaa, et cetera... But I think the more creative races would likely be lumped in with beast clans in FFXIV's lore. I'd also like to see clan culture actually come into play (they did wonderfully with the au ra, I think, but the rest don't seem to have that, or at least not to that extent.).

People don't seem to understand the bases of this thread.
GO BIG or GO HOME
Or how about
FRAN RACE or NONE AT ALL
Maybe
AMAZONIAN RABBITS and NO CUTE CRAPPY RABBITS

I read every...every single post and THIS is the base, the piller.
And what I really want to say is basically what a selective few have said in which i support.

Two Clans, Viera and the Foal. That's it. We can have our Amazonians. We can have our Lesser "need milk" rabbits, it matters naught to me who I get I'm fine with either. But I'll be drinking a pint of my own creation if I have to see a half *** generic looking bunny. PS Au Ras are soooo freaking lame. As a character creator myself I find it so absolutely infuriating that they made the FEMALE (the male looks fine to me) look like a boring tiny freaking KUUDERE! Where is HER EMOTIONS!?!? SO BORING look at their face! Souless. I need a character that can express themselves not a downgraded Lizard folk looking like they just came from The Elder Scrolls: Nords preset. Please you call that a good design, the only "good" from it is the default cloathing

Sorry about that, dunno where that female Au'Ra rant came from

And can we PLEASE STOP comparing races to Hyurs
Not everything is about Hyurs
What are you people Hyur-Sexual or something. Every race is unique. Even Au'ras

And quite frankly we can make do without Hyurs, cause at least every race has something Hyurs don't have. Distinguish features. Hyur is than your average Jo

Invited to a party filled with recognizable characters with personality. Then you just got that one person, that Hyur in the corner. Oh wait no they're the person you stand next to to make you look better cause they're just that trash.

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Originally Posted by Trixie_Strider

And can we PLEASE STOP comparing races to Hyurs
Not everything is about Hyurs
What are you people Hyur-Sexual or something. Every race is unique. Even Au'ras

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If your criteria for unique is "human with different ears" then I guess.

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Originally Posted by Trixie_Strider

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i can understand the female au ra complaint i find them very lacking compared to the male counter part
the idea of one race being small and Cute and other being taller and strong would be the best not like want they did with Au ra females are small and dainty males are massive and bulky

I doubt they will ever make two clans that are different in appearance (like Highlanders and Midlanders). In a way, that's kinda making two races and it's probably why they didn't do that for Au Ra (even though it would have made sense due to how different the two clans are. One being for battle and the other being nomads or something).

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Originally Posted by Corue

If your criteria for unique is "human with different ears" then I guess.

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Unique is relative. Its perfectly possible to make a race that has a completely different feel and aesthetic from the other available races without making it a beastman race outright (beastman as in animal-like).
Secondly, theres a huge grey area between just a 'human with animal ears' and 'beastman', maybe instead of making snarky comments at each other we should try to find a compromise between the two, something thats 'different' enough to not just be human with animal bits, but also human enough to not cause an issue in the games storyline. And yes, Viera can be that, they are already less human than some of the other races we have.

And @ Trixie_Strider, I get that it can get frustrating to read the same negative nancy comment all the time, but making a series of post that read a bit like a kid throwing a tantrum because the meanies disagree with you isn't helping either.

Just my 2 cents.

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Originally Posted by Nestama

I doubt they will ever make two clans that are different in appearance (like Highlanders and Midlanders). In a way, that's kinda making two races and it's probably why they didn't do that for Au Ra (even though it would have made sense due to how different the two clans are. One being for battle and the other being nomads or something).

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To be fair, when they made the Au Ra it was also their first time making a new race from scratch. I'd like to believe they've learned since then.
I'm not going to delude myself into thinking they'll pull a giant rabbit out of the hat, but at the very least, the sub races should be more than mere color swaps of each other, because as they are now, subraces add more retrictions than they add variety.

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Originally Posted by ArcaneCarbuncle

Unique is relative. Its perfectly possible to make a race that has a completely different feel and aesthetic from the other available races without making it a beastman race outright.
Secondly, theres a huge grey area between just a 'human with animal ears' and 'beastman', maybe instead of making snarky comments at each other we should try to find a compromise between the two

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See now somebody gets it.
All though the "making a series of posts and tantrum" well that's not entirely right. I don't care about negative nancies or any of that. You try reading over 203 pages worth of posts and not go on your own post making spree. I have a lot of things to say and if I post a TL;DR nobody will read it.

Though i could have use bold or itallic fonts instead of capitalizing, the purpose of that was to destinguish certain words from the TL;DR i typed. No tantrum was there if that is how it was being read than I will have to work on explaining myself better next time.

Also, there are certain other issues, a bit minor but still present. Is that when Viera are added into the game.

Will we be getting 2 to at least 4 of Long Hairstyle Viera presets?

As well as the collision it may have when it comes to clipping when wearing things such as cloathing with collars?

And if we get these "unique" viera only hairstyles. How will the community act when Viera are the only race who has long hairstyles?

Hopefully they don't "attack" the devs like they did when then made those flames for one of the Bonewicca Gear Sets. Honestly!

There are still other problems that may occur if Vieras are added that we don't seem to be talking about...

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Originally Posted by ArcaneCarbuncle

Unique is relative. Its perfectly possible to make a race that has a completely different feel and aesthetic from the other available races without making it a beastman race outright (beastman as in animal-like).
Secondly, theres a huge grey area between just a 'human with animal ears' and 'beastman', maybe instead of making snarky comments at each other we should try to find a compromise between the two...

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Nothing constructive. Just wanted to say I enjoy reading your posts.

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Originally Posted by ArcaneCarbuncle

Unique is relative. Its perfectly possible to make a race that has a completely different feel and aesthetic from the other available races without making it a beastman race outright (beastman as in animal-like).
Secondly, theres a huge grey area between just a 'human with animal ears' and 'beastman', maybe instead of making snarky comments at each other we should try to find a compromise between the two, something thats 'different' enough to not just be human with animal bits, but also human enough to not cause an issue in the games storyline. And yes, Viera can be that, they are already less human than some of the other races we have.

And @ Trixie_Strider, I get that it can get frustrating to read the same negative nancy comment all the time, but making a series of post that read a bit like a kid throwing a tantrum because the meanies disagree with you isn't helping either.

Just my 2 cents.



To be fair, when they made the Au Ra it was also their first time making a new race from scratch. I'd like to believe they've learned since then.
I'm not going to delude myself into thinking they'll pull a giant rabbit out of the hat, but at the very least, the sub races should be more than mere color swaps of each other, because as they are now, subraces add more retrictions than they add variety.

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Also worth noting the most obvious thing out there.
Mostly human-shaped is 100% guaranteed because the gear needs to fit them.

They aren't going to make something like seeq or nu mou ever simply because remodeling every piece of gear in the entire game to work with a drastically different body shape simply isn't going to happen.

Even the effort to just make helmets fit viera ears would be a pretty massive task

the way WoW does it with trolls and worgen and whatnot is all the gear is super simplistic and bulky and limited in design.
I remember progressing through raid tiers in wow like...
Oh look gloves with massive flared wristguard just like all the ones i had leveling but a fancy pattern
oh look the same gloves as the first raid but even fancier pattern
oh look same gloves but they reskinned it to look like scales
oh look same gloves again but now they have green glowy spots

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Originally Posted by Trixie_Strider

See now somebody gets it.
All though the "making a series of posts and tantrum" well that's not entirely right. I don't care about negative nancies or any of that. You try reading over 203 pages worth of posts and not go on your own post making spree. I have a lot of things to say and if I post a TL;DR nobody will read it.

Though i could have use bold or itallic fonts instead of capitalizing, the purpose of that was to destinguish certain words from the TL;DR i typed. No tantrum was there if that is how it was being read than I will have to work on explaining myself better next time.

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Ah, I see. My apologies then. Came off as a "Gods dammit, stahp disagreeing!!!!!!!!!!!111111111!1!"; which obviously doesn't help

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Originally Posted by Trixie_Strider

Also, there are certain other issues, a bit minor but still present. Is that when Viera are added into the game.

Will we be getting 2 to at least 4 of Long Hairstyle Viera presets?

As well as the collision it may have when it comes to clipping when wearing things such as cloathing with collars?

And if we get these "unique" viera only hairstyles. How will the community act when Viera are the only race who has long hairstyles?

Hopefully they don't "attack" the devs like they did when then made those flames for one of the Bonewicca Gear Sets. Honestly!

There are still other problems that may occur if Vieras are added that we don't seem to be talking about...

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Those problems are relatively minor, tbh. I highly doubt SE is gonna jump through burning hoops to make Viera hair work in any unique way. If anything they'd use Tricks to make longer hair work, like putting it in ponytails and keeping it away from the body. I doubt they're going to worry much about collar clipping, they're not doing now, so why start then? Just a typical case of 'if it clips, don't wear it!'
(As much as I hate that logic; I hardly like playing my Miqo anymore because the Tail keeps clipping awkwardly through gear I wanna wear)
People will 'attack' the Devs anyway, nothings gonna change that; we'll just have to make sure that between all the complaints there will also be voices of reason.
Also I think that, should SE decide to ever add long hair, there will at least be one or two styles for all races.

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Originally Posted by Nihility

Also worth noting the most obvious thing out there.
Mostly human-shaped is 100% guaranteed because the gear needs to fit them.

They aren't going to make something like seeq or nu mou ever simply because remodeling every piece of gear in the entire game to work with a drastically different body shape simply isn't going to happen.

Even the effort to just make helmets fit viera ears would be a pretty massive task

the way WoW does it with trolls and worgen and whatnot is all the gear is super simplistic and bulky and limited in design.
I remember progressing through raid tiers in wow like...
Oh look gloves with massive flared wristguard just like all the ones i had leveling but a fancy pattern
oh look the same gloves as the first raid but even fancier pattern
oh look same gloves but they reskinned it to look like scales
oh look same gloves again but now they have green glowy spots

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Pretty much this; though I don't think the helmets will be as much of a problem.
Circlets, hairclips, crowns and such won't cause any problems; and most helmets and hats can relatively easy be adjusted based on Miqo'te ears. As Viera ears usually 'poke through' headgear you can reasonably just let it clip for most other gearpieces and it should look fine-ish (not perfect, but passable). There are only a few pieces of headgear that would really have to be adjusted to make sense with bunnyears.
I'm more worried about glasses, of all things. I mean, it's a game, and I expect a certain amount of 'floatiness' when it comes to gear, but if Male Miqo'te glasses are any indication I'm already in tears when it comes to Viera in Glasses. (Little tangetial, though somwhat relevant: they didn't even try when it comes to male Miqo'te and glasses. They legitimately float in completely unrealistic positions. The lack of (human) ears to hold the arms can be handwaved, but most glasses don't even so much as attempt to touch the nose. Other races may have similar problems when it comes to glasses, but male Miqo'te are definitely the most jarring; which makes me fear of what'll happen if Viera are introduced)

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Originally Posted by Trixie_Strider

Also, there are certain other issues, a bit minor but still present. Is that when Viera are added into the game.

Will we be getting 2 to at least 4 of Long Hairstyle Viera presets?

As well as the collision it may have when it comes to clipping when wearing things such as cloathing with collars?

And if we get these "unique" viera only hairstyles. How will the community act when Viera are the only race who has long hairstyles?

Hopefully they don't "attack" the devs like they did when then made those flames for one of the Bonewicca Gear Sets. Honestly!

There are still other problems that may occur if Vieras are added that we don't seem to be talking about...

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I never attacked the devs for not adding flames on all the bonewicca sets, since I’m pretty sure I’m the one you’re referring to. :/

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Originally Posted by DamianFatale

I never attacked the devs for not adding flames on all the bonewicca sets, since I’m pretty sure I’m the one you’re referring to. :/

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I wasn't actually refering to you actually, but your post did play a role. However, I really wasn't refering to you. This was a generalization. It is only expected when something unique happens it is only natural others want it for other purposes that sway from it's original purpose for creation.

In this case, if Viera get long hair, no doubt the community will scream "Give Hyur, Miqo'te, Lala, etc. Long hair too, why only Viera?"

What exactly is Return to Ivalice anyways...

Is it a MSQ expansion or a Raid? I never quite understood that.

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Originally Posted by Trixie_Strider

What exactly is Return to Ivalice anyways...

Is it a MSQ expansion or a Raid? I never quite understood that.

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I don't think it will be part of the main story quests, so perhaps view it as an extra project the WoL took on the side? It is pretty involved, though, so I found it to be curious as well.

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Originally Posted by MOZZYSTAR

I don't think it will be part of the main story quests, so perhaps view it as an extra project the WoL took on the side? It is pretty involved, though, so I found it to be curious as well.

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Despite all my talk on Viera and what not, I'm actually still in the process of beating Post-Heavensward so I don't really know much of anything stormblood related

Are you telling me that Return to Ivalice, whatever that may be, isn't added to the game yet. gee im getting a bit confused..

Anywhooo, is their a trailer or somehing I can watch though? People seem to know much about it that I don't.

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Originally Posted by Trixie_Strider

Despite all my talk on Viera and what not, I'm actually still in the process of beating Post-Heavensward so I don't really know much of anything stormblood related

Are you telling me that Return to Ivalice, whatever that may be, isn't added to the game yet. gee im getting a bit confused..

Anywhooo, is their a trailer or somehing I can watch though? People seem to know much about it that I don't.

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Omgd, being level 70 I thought you were in SB. (The levelling thing astounds me still.) Return to Ivalice is a series of 24-man raids (right now we have Rabanastre (first raid) and Ridorana (second raid), but I'm not sure if it's actually canon in accordance with MSQ or not if that is what you're asking? I'm thhhinking they are, but don't quote me on that.


Edit: here are the openings: Rab/don't watch past 22 seconds, Rid/don't watch past 22 seconds
Sorry, I couldn't find any videos of just the openings.

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Originally Posted by Trixie_Strider

Despite all my talk on Viera and what not, I'm actually still in the process of beating Post-Heavensward so I don't really know much of anything stormblood related

Are you telling me that Return to Ivalice, whatever that may be, isn't added to the game yet. gee im getting a bit confused..

Anywhooo, is their a trailer or somehing I can watch though? People seem to know much about it that I don't.

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Its the Stormblood 24-man raid. Its probably called that cause outside of remasters the Ivalice universe games are pretty much done.

As far as canon goes it IS canon, but it won't have much bearing on the MSQ barring any NPCs in it refrencing that they already know you if you have started/completed it. Similar things happen with characters from the Class/Job quests if they show up outside of those.

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Originally Posted by Nestama

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In the run up to the Lighthouse part of the raid the devs for it said that they were pulling from the early-to-earliest drafts of Tactics and XII for the XIV version, so if any of this is on the internet it could tell us of other possible changes for characters. If they were even around at the time those drafts were made. Vaan and Penelo for example came from later drafts in the story and thus are less likely to appear in this version, unless we actually do go beyond 4.5.

It should also be noted that the lore in FFXIV's Ivalice (and in general) is not the same as the one in Tactics and XII. So if Viera do appear, they'll most likely be completely different. Let's say Fran appears: her personality and background could be completely different, much like Ba'gamnan (who had noble reasons for the things he do). She could be a bloodthirsty warrior out to kill Garleans and have no regard to nature.

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It might be too late for this, but potential spoilers. ^^;

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I have to admit when I first started seeing Garleans I thought of that fight on the airship in FFXII where Fran is effected by the magicite and goes berserk on the Imperials.

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if we got Viera at the end of the Ivalice raid chain and then as a playable race in 5.0. The Garleans are trying to expand their reach, Viera fit as a natural opposition to such an industrial and technological society. If we're heading to their turf in 5.0 I could see Viera as natural alies against them just like the Xaela in the Steppe.

I wouldn't be mad if Viera were added in 5.0. I can't think of a better option off the top of my head. I think it would be cool if their dimorphism was the inverse to Au Ra - strong, Amazonian women with lil' adorbs guys. With the mystery surrounding male Viera it wouldn't be hard to do. With as likely as DNC seems as a new class I think adding a race that so personifies grace and elegance couldn't be a bad call either.

If you ask me we need taller men, male viera should be taller than male roegadyn.

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Originally Posted by Ghastly

If you ask me we need taller men, male viera should be taller than male roegadyn.

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Aaahhh, no... Roe men are HUGE. We already have Elezens, Au Ras, and Roes. Honestly, I don't care if they're short or if they're tall (or somewhere in between), but taller than Roe is... too tall... A friend of mine plays the tallest setting for Au Ra and he can't fit into spaces my avatar can. Let's be... careful with the ultra height, here. #tallpeopleproblemsingame&outofgame XD

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Originally Posted by MoroMurasaki

I think it would be cool if their dimorphism was the inverse to Au Ra - strong, Amazonian women with lil' adorbs guys.

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I agree!! Whether it's Viera or some other race, I would love to see a reverse dimorphism of Au Ra. But I still want my muscular manly bunnies. They can be shorter than the amazonian female viera, but please don't chibify my male viera. XD (Of course, it would be amazing if they integrated both types [on OP] as separate clans)

<The Necromancer>

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<The Necromancer>

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And happy to see it back. Truly hoping for Viera in this next expansion, the new art for FFXII The Zodiac Age and the mention of Viera in he Ivalice raid story really bolstered my hope that they may be on the horizon.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DPLtzIFVQAAHX8A.jpg:large

Down turned ears for an example that all helms need not be redesigned.
https://78.media.tumblr.com/12fa1419...m7y2o1_500.png

I’ve been wanting to play as Viera for years now! The anticipation that they might be revealed in the final instalment of the Ivalice raids fills me with so much excitement! I think they’d be the perfect choice for a new race, since they could fit the niche of a tall, powerful, Amazonian race that isn’t as awkward or gangly as Elezen or as burly and muscular as Roes. Please bring them in as a new playable race!