New hrothgar hairstyles are really bad.

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Originally Posted by reivaxe

To be blunt. I think MALE Hrothgar are a lost cause when it comes to hair until 7.x's graphics updates. They were simply never designed with the thought of having to share hair with others races and trying to make things work as they stand is very much "Square peg in a Circle hole". They asked for feedback on "Shared hair vs VERY few and far between unique hairs" and ended up deciding that share hair with ears is the best option.

Perhaps with the higher specs and the new shaders and such being done on player characters and their hair in 7.x it'll be easier to add in hair tuffs where the ears emerge from the hair ... but they're not gonna make human hair look great on these dudes as they currently stand, and it's clear they know it doesn't look great. This tom-foolery is all the reason I need to think that Female Hrothgar are gonna be designed in a way that won't condemn them to this fate.

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I'm betting they could make the hair look quite a better right now if they wanted to. I think they are just looking for an easy solution that the community will accept. Of course they know it doesn't look great, they have to, but it doesn't matter if it doesn't require as much work, in my opinion. With female hrothgar, I'd be quite interested to see if and how much they will try and improve the process.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

I'm betting they could make the hair look quite a better right now if they wanted to. I think they are just looking for an easy solution that the community will accept. Of course they know it doesn't look great, they have to, but it doesn't matter if it doesn't require as much work, in my opinion. With female hrothgar, I'd be quite interested to see if and how much they will try and improve the process.

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Sure, I think they could modify and change the hair to better suite Hrothgar ... but they got like 50k+ assets to make (Be it for 6.x or 7.0) and have to think of their pipeline. So yeah, "Good enough" is what the community will accept without throwing that ear-gate fit.

The main problems with Hrothgar males are ...
1- Non-uniform head shapes (This was apparently low-key addressed to some extent, but not beyond just changing some Hroth head's foreheads to match the others Hroths)
2- Forehead area is far removed from the norm or other races.
3- The stupid AF hunch makes it so that their neck attaches to their head at a severe angle. That's why the 2B Bob and some other styles had to be elongated on Hrothgar, their heads are NOT suited for bobs as more of the back of their head is taken up by their neck than other races since they have to be designed around that default hunch.


As it stands, the hairs I think will work best on Hrothgar males are: Rain Maker (Big bang to hide the forehead/ hairline issues and a high up ponytail)/ Sharlayan Studies-Wind Caller-Lexen-tails (Hides forehead+the back/ tail wouldn't need much work to work with the neck).
Ones I think MAY work without looking completely trash: Samsonian Locks/ Styled For Hire/ Modern Legend. The 2 new styles don't look bad to me (Feminine one doesn't "look good" on any male TBH), but I'd yet to see an in game example of a Hrothgar wearing it, so I can't say for sure.

To make the process/ outcome improved for Females, they simply have to design the Females with shared hair in mind. Uniform head shape for their 4 faces (like every other race has), make the forehead inline with the other races and dont' give them the stupid hunched neck.

Given that every non-lala female in this game has less facial diversity and far softer faces than their male counterparts, this wouldn't look outta place or even be new.
I could easily see them having more humanized heads than the males (The males clearly have a mix of animal and human head shapes) yet retaining the no sclera animal eyes, the animal nose/ some degree of snout and maybe repositioning of the ears to not get in the way of all the hair stuff by pushing them back a bit.

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Originally Posted by reivaxe

I could easily see them having more humanized heads than the males (The males clearly have a mix of animal and human head shapes) yet retaining the no sclera animal eyes, the animal nose/ some degree of snout and maybe repositioning of the ears to not get in the way of all the hair stuff by pushing them back a bit.

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Something like this maybe?

https://i.imgur.com/R12Qze5.png

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Originally Posted by Baxcel

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is this the only one done this poorly? i wonder how the new ponytails look since they can wear them

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Originally Posted by Zomkei

is this the only one done this poorly? i wonder how the new ponytails look since they can wear them

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The 2B, Karen Chaos and 9S styles all still look like xenomorph heads meanwhile a brief look on the interwebs shows the two new ponytails actually pass muster. Well practical does, high pony is still too feminine to look good on a super macho race but if you play a femmey hroth or want to make believe yours is female until females have rights its not an atrocity unto the eyes of god like half the options we have now.

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Originally Posted by grinkdaboy

that would probably take a lot of time since the hairstyles theyve been adding have to be stretched and remodelled in some areas so they fit on their funny shaped heads

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That sounds like a them problem. Instead of half assing the races, they should have skipped them and released them when they were ready. And I mean, REALLY ready, with enough hairstyles/hats working. They have the budget now, and glamour is literally endgame for 75% of the playerbase. People want to look good, and this looks terrible.

I'd honest to go be ok with them fixing shit like that and the Glamour system, rather than getting Island Sanctuary (and I love Island Sanctuary).

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Originally Posted by Pip_Chick

Something like this maybe?

https://i.imgur.com/R12Qze5.png

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You just reminded me we never got this Nier hairstyle. Sadge. :<

Rather than upgrade my island I saved 6000 blues to get the practical ponytail and I adore it. Im keeping it on til 6.3, assuming going forward all new options will fit hrothgar.
It also looks gr8 with two-tone hairs but hrothgars fur pattern also changes color so I dont use the highlight option lol

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Originally Posted by XiRon

Rather than upgrade my island I saved 6000 blues to get the practical ponytail and I adore it. Im keeping it on til 6.3, assuming going forward all new options will fit hrothgar.
It also looks gr8 with two-tone hairs but hrothgars fur pattern also changes color so I dont use the highlight option lol

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How does it look like? All I've seen are hairstyles thumbnails but no IG model of the hairstyle on Hrothgar.

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Originally Posted by Kazhar

How does it look like? All I've seen are hairstyles thumbnails but no IG model of the hairstyle on Hrothgar.

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The only problem is ofc our stupid hunchback causing the pony to clip into our spine in some poses but otherwise its gr8

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Originally Posted by XiRon

Rather than upgrade my island I saved 6000 blues to get the practical ponytail and I adore it. Im keeping it on til 6.3, assuming going forward all new options will fit hrothgar.
It also looks gr8 with two-tone hairs but hrothgars fur pattern also changes color so I dont use the highlight option lol

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I'm trying to do this, but I feel like I wasted 500 clearing the land, and then it wants me to spend 1k (!) to clear more for another landmark.. outrageous! I don't know how to make the currency as quick as some of you, because the crafted items are garbage. I need to get back on and gather for sure though.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

I'm trying to do this, but I feel like I wasted 500 clearing the land, and then it wants me to spend 1k (!) to clear more for another landmark.. outrageous! I don't know how to make the currency as quick as some of you, because the crafted items are garbage. I need to get back on and gather for sure though.

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You do get 3000 or so for the first 4 ranks of sanc, then you get 2000 a week from challenge log (gather 100 items/ship 20 items to the stock exchange w/e).
So I just didnt do any expansion and saved blues from 2 days of shipments and got enough for my new 'do.
Expansion was secondary to me once I saw you needed to expend blues, we got a buttload of time til 6.3 drops and any further island updates happen.

You can become female Hrothgar with this :)

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...zOyqeCo7Sx.png

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Originally Posted by Knot_D

You can become female Hrothgar with this :)

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...zOyqeCo7Sx.png

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Thanks...now I need this hairstyle for when Female Hrothgar drops... Time to grind...

I got the practical ponytails for my fem viera and really like it. The first hair for female bun I like besides my original hair. Nice for a change that a new hair actually works. Still waiting on my gyr abandian plait to be usable.
I really dislike the highlights though, I would have preferred fewer highlights in the hair or even a dip dye. As it is right now I feel like a zebra if I use the highlights. It would have been nice if the actual ponytail was a bit longer too but I suppose they wanted to avoid clipping. I still love my old hair so I think I will be swapping back and forth a lot.

I have next to no currency left on my island and I am approaching level 7 now. Should be able to afford the other hairstyle come end of next week.

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Originally Posted by XiRon

You do get 3000 or so for the first 4 ranks of sanc, then you get 2000 a week from challenge log (gather 100 items/ship 20 items to the stock exchange w/e).
So I just didnt do any expansion and saved blues from 2 days of shipments and got enough for my new 'do.
Expansion was secondary to me once I saw you needed to expend blues, we got a buttload of time til 6.3 drops and any further island updates happen.

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Yeah, that was my thoughts too. I am not in a rush to max out this place. It doesn't really matter to me to do so. I'd rather have a new hair sooner. I'm sure it'd probably be faster in the long run in terms of earning potential to save for upgrades (maybe), but when my mind is set on something that's what I am going to do.

somehow, Hrothgar's Wake Doctor Mask is a unique model with ear-tips, but I haven't yet heard of any PS4s catching fire.

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Originally Posted by Chikatsu

somehow, Hrothgar's Wake Doctor Mask is a unique model with ear-tips, but I haven't yet heard of any PS4s catching fire.

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I used to have what my FC called a "craptop". A really bad laptop basically designed to die in two seconds. It handled an incredibly crowded Gangos with Hrothgars that have hairstyles we do not yet have, even after being given new ones, really well. That thing couldn't handle any crowded area, and it was a mess during any event as I had to do them at night where nobody was around. Bozja was an absolute delight, I was even surprised. No polygons got in the way.

So don't tell me that "oh we caaaan't", sis, if that craptop worked on Bozja, it can work on you.

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Originally Posted by Chikatsu

somehow, Hrothgar's Wake Doctor Mask is a unique model with ear-tips, but I haven't yet heard of any PS4s catching fire.

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I'd say it's a matter of mostly they just don't want to make unique models, unfortunately. I wonder if the main reason they gave hrothgars little ear socks, was because of the previous outcry over removed ears, so they grudgingly added these? :p

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

I'd say it's a matter of mostly they just don't want to make unique models, unfortunately. I wonder if the main reason they gave hrothgars little ear socks, was because of the previous outcry over removed ears, so they grudgingly added these? :p

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they almost assuredly wanted to sidestep the additional effort required. though, I am still waiting for official hairstyles that don't turn my linebacker sized cat dad into a wannabe K-pop fan.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

I'd say it's a matter of mostly they just don't want to make unique models, unfortunately. I wonder if the main reason they gave hrothgars little ear socks, was because of the previous outcry over removed ears, so they grudgingly added these? :p

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If they did, they only have themselves to blame. What sort of designer looks at earless Hrothgars and thinks that's perfectly reasonable? They can't hold a grudge for people reacting poorly to them doing something meant to ilicit a poor reaction.

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

If they did, they only have themselves to blame. What sort of designer looks at earless Hrothgars and thinks that's perfectly reasonable? They can't hold a grudge for people reacting poorly to them doing something meant to ilicit a poor reaction.

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when they showed that in the LL, it was so surreal. also the timing, it's like they did that to test the waters, but they didn't read the Data afterwards.

Almost enough to elicit a Dark Chuckle where one looks at prey.

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Originally Posted by GTK0HLK

when they showed that in the LL, it was so surreal. also the timing, it's like they did that to test the waters, but they didn't read the Data afterwards.

Almost enough to elicit a Dark Chuckle where one looks at prey.

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Yeah, see... I'd get that. I truly would. Them showing something that's a little on the poorer quality and try to work on improving it and collect feedback as they went along...

...but that's not what they did.

Not only did they release the hairstyles anyway as-was. Not only did they make off-handed comments about "well, if we did as the fans asked for, it'd take a lot more effort" despite us knowing very well that effort had nothing to do with it when they're hired professionals (again: amateur modder on a bachelor course did it in a week. Man up, Square*). They also told us specifically "well, we certainly weren't expecting that reaction".

...I'm sorry, what sort of reaction would you have if to fit new outfits for Lalafell we'd have to cut out their fingers, Mr. Producer????

*I know people will nitpick on this. I'm telling them to nut up over them saying that it'd be too hard and they needed a larger effort and resources. Because it certainly isn't so. However, they do have other justifications for why it happened. It's just that the one they provided isn't one when the community solved it in a week.

"Test the waters" is so so funny because well...6.1 recently dropped in korea. And despite the fact that hrothgar hairstyles have had ears since August, this is not the case with the newly released patch on korean servers. Which means they deliberately removed ears so they could affix them later and not have to work on extra hairstyles. We know this because hrothgar got none of the new styles viera got in 6.1 with the release of 6.2, even Rainmaker, yknow the hairstyle that everyone was screaming about getting back in the game. Nope, we now have proof they deliberately made hrothgar options a travesty just to do slightly less later. Hrothgar still only have 5 options character creation (4 options tied directly to facetype and Emmanellain) while viera have 5x that amount because...I have no idea.
And that is unacceptable and lame.

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

If they did, they only have themselves to blame. What sort of designer looks at earless Hrothgars and thinks that's perfectly reasonable? They can't hold a grudge for people reacting poorly to them doing something meant to ilicit a poor reaction.

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I think it's pretty simple: they try to get away with the bare minimum possible. Typically, the community has been accepting of anything they do, so that's probably why they were surprised they got any pushback.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

I think it's pretty simple: they try to get away with the bare minimum possible. Typically the community has been accepting of anything they do, so that's probably why they were surprised they got any pushback.

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They really messed up on that one. It's the one subject where you can trash SE on the main subreddit's front page and have most people in full agreement. The ears drama was the turning point where it became impossible to defend them anymore.

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Originally Posted by Kazhar

They really messed up on that one. It's the one subject where you can trash SE on the main subreddit's front page and have most people in full agreement. The ears drama was the turning point where it became impossible to defend them anymore.

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Yeah it was pretty hard to ignore. The Hrothgar with the 2B haircut, smiling at us... It looks like it's mocking the Hrothgar players.

I'm baffled they thought it was acceptable, they really expected the players to be happy about this ? Do they actually think they don't have to put as much effort (if not more) in this race as the rest ?

They would never release an hairstyle that removes Miqo'te's ears, so they should strive to treat all players characters with as much serious as the others.

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Originally Posted by XiRon

"Test the waters" is so so funny because well...6.1 recently dropped in korea. And despite the fact that hrothgar hairstyles have had ears since August, this is not the case with the newly released patch on korean servers. Which means they deliberately removed ears so they could affix them later and not have to work on extra hairstyles. We know this because hrothgar got none of the new styles viera got in 6.1 with the release of 6.2, even Rainmaker, yknow the hairstyle that everyone was screaming about getting back in the game. Nope, we now have proof they deliberately made hrothgar options a travesty just to do slightly less later. Hrothgar still only have 5 options character creation (4 options tied directly to facetype and Emmanellain) while viera have 5x that amount because...I have no idea.
And that is unacceptable and lame.

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I'd expect this sort of garbage behaviour from Alim/Gumi, not extremely vaunted Creative Business Unit 3.

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Originally Posted by RukoBoshi

Yeah it was pretty hard to ignore. The Hrothgar with the 2B haircut, smiling at us... It looks like it's mocking the Hrothgar players.

I'm baffled they thought it was acceptable, they really expected the players to be happy about this ? Do they actually think they don't have to put as much effort (if not more) in this race as the rest ?

They would never release an hairstyle that removes Miqo'te's ears, so they should strive to treat all players characters with as much serious as the others.

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Honestly it's posts like these that helped me cope with the ear issue. Non-hroth players saw it and were upset for us, we weren't just a whiny child that no one wanted to listen to that some people wanted to make us out to be. It was a big deal despite some people saying stuff like "you should just be happy you have more options now" and "your race wasn't supposed to get anything anyways". Other players saw this and were on our side.

And man, it's just so appreciated.

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