Dont kill the lambs!

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Originally Posted by Amyas

Fixed it for you. Devs said working as intended, either way. The rights of one person to finish a mission and move on doesn't stop just because 50 or 500 people want to take advantage of the Fate.

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So it's my right to play as a healer & go dps without healing then? Please remember that FATEs are group activities as well, doing something just to satisfy your personal needs without caring about the rest of the group is selfish enough, doing it on purpose just to piss off others is inexcusable.
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Originally Posted by AsakuraVN

So it's my right to play as a healer & go dps without healing then?

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Yes, it is. I've been doing fates since early access and have yet to be healed once during.

This is what Fates have done to this game. EDIT: Once got a raise after one. Once.

DOUBLE EDIT: Realize you may not just be talking about Fates, but in every aspect. Yes, its still your right to play as a healing class and just dps. Hell, that's what the current game design is encouraging (through Fate powerleveling)

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Originally Posted by EvokerKeii

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Actually humans are very selfish creatures and just as the one that taking all is being selfish the others are also being selfish because selfish is human nature, and if some dude wants to spam-fest a fate he can do so , If people want to cry and black list they can do so. You say a persons "singular solo experience isn't has important a you think" to him its important and to selfish beings called humans thats all that matters even the ones crying are mad because their "singular solo experience" is deemed more important to them, enough that they would nake that person miserable just food for thought

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The blist argument is because if you decide to troll the people doing the zone by killing the lambs.

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By definition, those people are not trolling. At all. Yet, they are getting blacklisted by some of these players, for engaging in perfectly normal behavior. They aren't being a douche by doing so. You ought to be able to recognize that fact without being blinded by your want of xp.

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Originally Posted by Mishakai

No, blacklisting people who continually interfere with how myself and a few dozen or more other players are getting experience isn't juvenile.

Continually interfering with people who are farming experience because you don't agree with their methods, when there are plenty other fates available for you to complete, is EXTREMELY juvenile, and not the type of person I would ever want to play with, hence the blacklist.

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You're looking at this as if it is a group of people who are intentionally griefing you and others, when in reality they're just playing the game as it was designed to be played. I'm pretty sure your argument here isn't built on objective logic, but instead a type of childish pique - someone interferes with your easy xp stream, who cares the reason, BL them!!

I LOVE this thread. You have this one group whose all like "Hey! Don't be selfish let them farm it's better xp!!!". Then you have these spiteful people who are like " I go there and KILL THE LAMBS!!! Mwahahaha because Eff them right?"

Seriously it's awesome keep it up. People watching (or reading) at it's finest.

It's not the fact that people tell you not to kill the lambs, it's the fact that they actually tell you : "GO KILL YOURSELF" or "YOU F'ING RETARD STOP KILLING THE LAMBS"
People can't even be nice and explain to the other why they say that, i'm mining cobalt just south of ceruleum and i'm seeing that all day long.

i'm the only one to notice how a single FATE lead to some behaviour extrem? Blacklist someone simply because he do the FATE? last time i have check nothing belong to anybody, if someone is finishing the FATE before i can get enough credit for get gold... i must blacklist him, no?

i wonder how a sociologist will see this?!?

personally i found this FATE to give waaay too much exp. worst is not the FATE itself that give way too much exp, but the respawn of the monster that is the trouble.
i wonder if is not the time for Square-Enix to step in and change this fate that is ruining the community. people will be angry at this i'm sure, instead to do 100-200k exp each time they will do way less. but seriously... who care, instead to spend 2 day for do the 40-50 they will spend 3 days.

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Originally Posted by Cycloptichorn

You're looking at this as if it is a group of people who are intentionally griefing you and others, when in reality they're just playing the game as it was designed to be played. I'm pretty sure your argument here isn't built on objective logic, but instead a type of childish pique - someone interferes with your easy xp stream, who cares the reason, BL them!!

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Not sure if you read all posts or not, but someone posted that on one server they have an FC that does just that. Then you have various posters here that said they do or would kill the lambs just to screw it up for the parties there.

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Originally Posted by Lexxuk

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I don't blame people if they don't realize the benefit of farming DD at first, but once people see that its being completed they say "Don't complete! We get way more exp if we farm it!" if people then CONTINUE to complete it because they're selfish jerks then i have a huge issue. Also fates don't spawn immediately after another, and travel time does take a while in certain areas. And not all fates are over in 1 minute, that's just silly. You also have to hope you get there in time to get gold, which doesn't always happen. With DD you get a MINIMUM of 100k in exp, its easy to get even more than that. Stop defending selfishness. Its ONE fate we do this for, get over it.

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Originally Posted by Psychosamm

With DD you get a MINIMUM of 100k in exp, its easy to get even more than that.

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and this sentence don't trouble you, i means do you know another FATE doing this?

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Originally Posted by silentwindfr

and this sentence don't trouble you, i means do you know another FATE doing this?

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No it doesn't trouble me because its been stated that it's working as intended. Grinding levels is extremely boring, it's nice that they at least give us an option to speed it up a bit towards the end.

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Originally Posted by silentwindfr

and this sentence don't trouble you, i means do you know another FATE doing this?

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SE has flat out said it's working as intended and they don't have a problem with it. So why would it bother me?

DD is not the only Fate that can be farmed. It just happens to be high enough level to weed out a lot of stupid and people mean enough to allow that one to be farmed. There are lots of fates very similar to it (often turn in types) that can be farmed for massive exp but people constantly turn in.

Most common reason? "I can play however I want"... I see that as being a selfish dbag.

Many people don't know better but after being told if you continue to do it you are a jerk.

Why don't you just not get in a fate party then lol. Also your supposed to kill the lambs in dd

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Originally Posted by Ninix

SE has flat out said it's working as intended

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If that in itself doesn't make you sad then I don't know what would.

It's a shame they have flat out decided that 1-50 should be a pointless part of the game I mean why have levels to begin with then if your going to let people coast through the job anyways without the need to play the job in the first place?

Tanks don't need to learn how to tank until 50, DD don't need to even know what a combo is until 50, healers don't need to heal squat until 50....so why level at all?

kill the lambs. its fun!

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Originally Posted by SoullessSvipdagr

I ruin it every chance I get, and ensure I have several others with me in order to finish it quickly... Listen here: I don't care about 300 people's experience points - I play for me and my FC, if you want to black list.. I assure you, it is your loss. The fact that any even pretend I will change my play-style or that of my FC is a sad one indeed. If open world pvp existed I would ensure this place was camped at least 2-4 hours a day - so everyone who whines... Be happy that you can actually do DD without being destroyed by PvP.

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This guy thinks it is everyone else who is suffering by blisting him... HAHA

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Originally Posted by Rochetm

This guy thinks it is everyone else who is suffering by blisting him... HAHA

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Keep talking Mr. 41.

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Originally Posted by silentwindfr

personally i found this FATE to give waaay too much exp. worst is not the FATE itself that give way too much exp, but the respawn of the monster that is the trouble.

i wonder if is not the time for Square-Enix to step in and change this fate that is ruining the community. people will be angry at this i'm sure, instead to do 100-200k exp each time they will do way less. but seriously... who care, instead to spend 2 day for do the 40-50 they will spend 3 days.

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This is how I see this as well. It's a means for easy and quick leveling, but things in an MMORPG (as has been so repeatedly brought up time and time again by the people on these very forums) are meant to take time for the longevity of the game. Yoshi-P's idea here seemed to be that you could quest to 50 on your main class and take your time leveling sub-classes with a limited amount of content simply because you had a main class at 50. Which is fine.

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Originally Posted by SoullessSvipdagr

Keep talking Mr. 41.

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My point has been proven...

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Originally Posted by Duelle

This is how I see this as well. It's a means for easy and quick leveling, but things in an MMORPG (as has been so repeatedly brought up time and time again by the people on these very forums) are meant to take time for the longevity of the game. Yoshi-P's idea here seemed to be that you could quest to 50 on your main class and take your time leveling sub-classes with a limited amount of content simply because you had a main class at 50. Which is fine.

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HEAR HEAR! and with that you can do 40-50 in < than 1 day w/o DD haha

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Originally Posted by Rochetm

My point has been proven...

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A few classes to 50 already, 1 fully geared.... Ya I am sure parties in revenants toll won't be looking for relic DPS... We'll talk when you get to the top of the mountain. For now enjoi the processing plant.

I always kill the lambs. Can't be bothered to wait 15 minutes, people can get over it.

Best thing is to report the people who are rude, they'll be the ones who get ban hammered.

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Originally Posted by silentwindfr

Camate have said is work as intended, when is clearly not the case, getting 100-200k exp for 13 minute of fight, i'm sorry is not normal.
the repop of the lamb people kill are far faster than normal, you can get chain exp outrageous because of this.

Find me anywhere in the game where you can get between 100-200k exp in 13 minutes! nowhere outside this FATE.

ps: some people have got 250.000exp, it's rare but possible.

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The 100k-200k is for this fate, based on the level. There are many other fates you can do this in (albeit with less xp, but it's based on your current level). You can get a lot of xp from other fates by simply not handing in goods.

I'm guessing the reason this has got so much airtime is that at level 45-50 you're more likely to feel part of something, so you complain about something that is fresher in the mind.

n.b: I'm not directly referring to you.

It's working as intended because this is SEs way to apologize for making such a crappy way to level multiple classes.

Edit: I'm sorry, that was all negative. Let me toss in a constructive idea to balance it, shall I?

Utilize the awesome dungeons you made and improve exp/gil drops from them.

I love the dungeons. They already have the perfect amount of trash mobs in them, so utilize those in the pre-endgame dungeons and boost their exp and give people a reason to WANT to run them again vs Fate Farming.

Right now the only reason I'd wanna do a dungeon is because I'm sick of doing the FATEs. That's kind of a poopy reason, isn't it?

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Originally Posted by Dsync

The 100k-200k is for this fate, based on the level. There are many other fates you can do this in (albeit with less xp, but it's based on your current level). You can get a lot of xp from other fates by simply not handing in goods.

I'm guessing the reason this has got so much airtime is that at level 45-50 you're more likely to feel part of something, so you complain about something that is fresher in the mind.

n.b: I'm not directly referring to you.

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At my level would I be able to participate? I've only started FATE grinding recently because I couldn't do a story quest because I wasn't at the right level (36) so I spent three days FATE grinding Coerthas. I really want to get access to that dungeon that drops those bikini Coliseum armor things...

EDIT: I'm level 40 actually...wonder why the board isn't showing that....

I'd kill the lambs with extreme prejudice.

It's one thing if you interrupt someone who's legitimately farming, who takes care to let you know why they're doing it.

It's another entirely when he threatens you. Furthermore, you're trying to do something the game intended for you to do.

Never give in to terrorists.

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Originally Posted by HoroBoro

Never give in to terrorists.

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Haha, oh wow.

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Originally Posted by Dsync

The 100k-200k is for this fate, based on the level. There are many other fates you can do this in (albeit with less xp, but it's based on your current level). You can get a lot of xp from other fates by simply not handing in goods.

I'm guessing the reason this has got so much airtime is that at level 45-50 you're more likely to feel part of something, so you complain about something that is fresher in the mind.

n.b: I'm not directly referring to you.

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is more i try to understand the mechanic behind this. let me be more constructive.
they plan to increase the exp gain in dungeon, was said, how they plan to do it, when it will be potentially impossible to beat this ratio exp/time from this fate?
more important with a raise of the cap level this fate will stay the best way to get fast exp.
why do other content?

more important, this content is unfair, since it will depend to have BLM, SMN, BRD in your group for get claim on monster or deal enough damage. if you don't have that in your team forget the lamb you will get no exp.

meaning this content is not for every class and is unbalanced for later content.

indeed i wish the content for level up was more balanced, you will need between 3 and 4 dungeon for get one level actually, if you are a dps, you have a wait time that goes from 15 to 30 minute of wait, count 50-60 minute for do the dungeon, it will put your gain of level to 1 level every 4 hour 30 minutes (for 3 dungeon) at 6 hours (for 4 dungeon)

Never been to this FATE or heard about the 'mechanics' of it. Very interesting.

But, my goodness the malice in this thread is through the roof!

You all realize that SE does read this right? If people continue to argue and bash each other then don't be surprised if SE changes the FATE so that the only way to get the XP is to kill the lambs. Don't be surprised if the amount of disdain toward each other here causes it to happen. Of course, if it does you have no one to blame but yourselves.

This could have ended in a much better way by simply explaining to the OP (and others) how the FATE works and why not to kill the lambs. Instead, it sounds like the people got all irate and basically attempted to band together in a mass blacklisting of said player and here we are. Which could be taken as blatant harassment which could get people banned. So do be careful.

Though, if someone is doing it on purpose then send in the lynch mob! :D