Please get rid of surplus SP

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Originally Posted by MonsieurVerde

The same goes for the majority of this thread too. -_- It's like you enjoy taking the punishment just so you have a reason to complain about how it was designed.

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Maybe you should leave being as YOU are the minority.

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Originally Posted by AtryxEtair

This feature is not fully implemented. Chill out until PS3 release. I GUARANTEE this was not implemented to hide the fact there was no content. This was developed as a core aspect of the gameplay and there is going to be MUCH more to it than just slowing down your leveling progression. The points that are penalized with be grouped towards earning you something. I don't know how many times I've posted this but stubborn people refuse to believe what they don't want to.

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It's a market friendly name to not use the "F word" (Fatigue). Nothing more.

+1 for a laugh though.

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Originally Posted by God

Maybe you should leave being as YOU are the minority.

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I like being in the minority. :P It's easier to find people who also enjoy the game for what it is.

Get rid of it. It's just punishing the people who play this game.

Do not remove it. Raise the cap to keep in line with the new rate of SP gains.

The earlier you look back in XIV's history, the less people ever observed hitting it, due to the very low and slow rate of earning it. The problem arose when they raised SP rewards without also raising the "high bar", so you all just hit your head trying to duck under it.

Pages ago I said you could gain (arbitrary) 50k SP in maybe a week (prior to 1.15), now that's reasonable within a day. Multiply the threshold's limit by 3 to 5. That would keep the goal halfway there.

And again initial fatigue is 10%. Not gamebreaking.

Go team minority /

I'm confused now. Do you want more people to play or not?

Seriously WTH are some of these people smoking.

Oh noes people are at the cap after grinding for months! Game over man, game over.

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Originally Posted by God

Seriously WTH are some of these people smoking.

Oh noes people are at the cap after grinding for months! Game over man, game over.

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Seriously, what are you all smoking? Needing to play one class over and over and over in this specific game when there are, in reality, many other games that suit your needs.

People who play too much need to get off their butt. 4 hours a day is by far enough time before hitting SP.

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Originally Posted by MonsieurVerde

Seriously, what are you all smoking? Needing to play one class over and over and over in this specific game when there are, in reality, many other games that suit your needs.

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What are you talking about now? Who only grinds one class? I'm currently in fatigue on Lancer and grinding CRP and GLD.

Stop making NO sense!

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Originally Posted by Swev

People who play too much need to get off their butt. 4 hours a day is by far enough time before hitting SP.

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Great! Point proven, you hit surplus after playing 4 hrs now what do you do for the REST of the week?! Oh yeah play while in fatigue.

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Originally Posted by God

Great point proven you hit surplus after playing 4 hrs NOW what do you do for the rest of the week?! Oh yeah play while in fatigue.

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Correction, play a different class or, better yet, get a life. Casuals don't play for more than four hours a day and if you are spending that much time grinding away at it then you are definately not being efficent.

Stop trolling i'm not going to keep feeding you.

I guarantee my life is way more fulfilling and successful than yours.

Show me someone who ONLY plays one class.

Casuals AREN'T affected by surplus.

Stop embarrassing yourself.

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Originally Posted by God

Stop trolling i'm not going to keep feeding you.

Show me someone who ONLY plays one class.

Casuals AREN'T affected by surplus.

Stop embarrassing yourself.

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Show you someone who only wants to play one class? Read the thread. -_-

You don't play this game do you? It's showing. Fatigue affects players who play a lot. Players who play a lot ALWAYS rank other jobs.

People care that they are being slowed down and forced OFF their main job. The one they like to play the most.

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Originally Posted by God

Stop trolling i'm not going to keep feeding you.

I guarantee my life is way more filling and successful than yours.

Show me someone who ONLY plays one class.

Casuals AREN'T affected by surplus.

Stop embarrassing yourself.

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Well obviously the people complaining are not casual but hardcore gamers so why can't they have what they want? I'm sure we can please both casual and hardcore players and not have a system that only benefits the casual players. What the game needs is balance and a way to please both sides.

I'm a casual player and have not yet felt the effects of the fatigue system but i can understand it is frustrating for someone who wants to play for longer periods of time.

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Originally Posted by God

You don't play this game do you? It's showing. Fatigue affects players who play a lot. Players who play a lot ALWAYS rank other jobs.

People care that they are being slowed down and forced OFF their main job. The one they like to play the most.

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I like playing all the jobs. :P You would know that from looking at my Lodestone Page. It's why I'm playing Final Fantasy XIV and not WoW or any other MMO. I hate being restricted to one class.

Sure, I hit Fatigue on THM sometimes but it's not game breaking enough to warrant epic whining.

Good for you; I and the vast majority of FFXIV players hate being penalized for playing.

If SE want that hardcore gamers play more classes with surplus SP they should fix some things first. I hate to change class and configure again all my skills and points status, fix this pls.

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Originally Posted by God

Good for you; I and the vast majority of FFXIV players hate being penalized for playing.

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Then go play a game where you aren't penalised for your play style.

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Originally Posted by MonsieurVerde

Then go play a game where you aren't penalised for your play style.

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Everyone slowly is which is why this game is broke and being fixed of stupid decisions like Surplus.

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Originally Posted by God

Everyone slowly is which is why this game is broke and being fixed of stupid decisions like Surplus.

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If you know it's being fixed then why are all of you complaining?

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Originally Posted by MonsieurVerde

Masochistic, aren't you? If it is such a game breaking issue then go play another MMO that was designed with your play style in mind. Get out of the abusive relationship while you can, Sir Masochist.

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Please realize that people still play despite the fatigue system because they like the game and want to see it succeed. If everyone did as you suggested and quit JUST because they don't like the fatigue system, there would hardly be anyone playing. Be grateful that we still stick around despite these flaws in the game. The devs can't make a better game if we don't provide the proper constructive criticism they need to fix things.

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Originally Posted by MonsieurVerde

There are Many more useful skills at higher ranks. Such as higher skill tiers so you waste less Stamina casting the crappy version. >_> As well as status cures.

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Do you have a high rank class? You should know that tier II skills have the same stamina cost as Tier II, and in most cases are only marginally better.

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Originally Posted by Rentahamster

Please realize that people still play despite the fatigue system because they like the game and want to see it succeed. If everyone did as you suggested and quit JUST because they don't like the fatigue system, there would hardly be anyone playing. Be grateful that we still stick around despite these flaws in the game. The devs can't make a better game if we don't provide the proper constructive criticism they need to fix things.



Do you have a high rank class? You should know that tier II skills have the same stamina cost as Tier II, and in most cases are only marginally better.

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Sticking with something just for the idea that it MAY be better down the line is foolish. Would stop from having a divorce just because you think your significant other may "Get Better" after beating you? There is a difference between optimism and blindness.

They may only be marginally better but it's better to get something more powerful for the same stamina. In grinding it's all about speed and efficency. :P

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Originally Posted by MonsieurVerde

In grinding it's all about speed and efficency. :P

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ROFL "speed and efficiency" to hit an SP cap and grind through it as quickly and efficiently as possible.

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Originally Posted by MonsieurVerde

Then go play a game where you aren't penalised for your play style.

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I wonder if SE agrees with this sentiment?

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Originally Posted by God

ROFL "speed and efficiency" to hit an SP cap and grind through it as quickly and efficiently as possible.

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10% is so not going to hurt me that much and yes, efficency and speed is important so I can hit the barrier and grind something else, like I am supposed to. :P

When I first heard of the system, I figured it was innovative and liked the idea of encouraging horizontal growth to allow others to catch up - but the fact is that, while in theory it was interesting, in practice it's terrible. I like having a goal and sticking to it. I don't like my goals being side-railed and my momentum deferred. The flow of the game is destroyed by it and my enjoyment is limited by a lot. I'd rather deal with grind-happy players flying by me than have my own efforts hindered.

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Originally Posted by MonsieurVerde

10% is so not going to hurt me that much and yes, efficency and speed is important so I can hit the barrier and grind something else, like I am supposed to. :P

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It becomes more then 10% you know that right? 10% may not hurt you but who cares we've already established YOU are the MINORITY it hurts everyone else.

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Originally Posted by God

It becomes more then 10% you know that right? 10% may not hurt you but who cares we've already established YOU are the MINORITY it hurts everyone else.

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And everyone still badgers through it....haven't we been here before?

Yes please!!! Remove Surplus and Fatigue!!!

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Originally Posted by MonsieurVerde

10% is so not going to hurt me that much and yes, efficency and speed is important so I can hit the barrier and grind something else, like I am supposed to. :P

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lol, if you're all about "speed and efficiency", why are you in favor of the surplus system, which is totally not "speedy and efficient".

Anyway, so the desired behavior, as you put it, would be to "grind something else, like I am supposed to".

Now, don't you think, that from a gameplay design perspective, we should encourage that desired behavior through positive reinforcement and making the player WANT to grind something else, rather than FORCING him to grind something else all because he "hit the barrier" as you put it.

The problem with the fatigue system is that it negatively promotes the desired behavior and in the process pisses off a lot of the player base.

All we're saying is that SE should implement a system that both promotes the behavior that you think is so good, while not pissing off everyone else at the same time.

There is a solution that can please everyone, and promote the desired gameplay, and we should not cling on to the fatigue system which the majority of players loathe.

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Originally Posted by Rentahamster

There is a solution that can please everyone, and we should not cling on to the fatigue system which the majority of players loathe.

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And we shouldn't trash it with complete abandon, like 90% of the people in this thread want.

I sign this petition to get rid of surplus and fatigue. IT'S CRAP. (:

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Originally Posted by MonsieurVerde

And we shouldn't trash it with complete abandon, like 90% of the people in this thread want.

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LOL and tell us why again. Why should SE keep something that 90% of the people want gone and untold numbers have quit over?

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Originally Posted by God

LOL and tell us why again. Why should SE keep something that 90% of the people want gone and untold numbers have quit over?

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It wasn't their cup of tea, so they quit. Big deal. O_o If you quit over fatigue you have issues that are better fixed in any other brand name MMO. No need to force change or completely scrap something just because it doesn't suit you.

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Originally Posted by MonsieurVerde

And we shouldn't trash it with complete abandon, like 90% of the people in this thread want.

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Only you think it's "trashing". To the rest of us, it is "constructive criticism" because we want to make this game successful, and we want more people to play it. It might be a little harsh, but that's only because the fatigue system is a horribly designed gameplay mechanic that promotes a certain behavior in all the wrong ways.

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Originally Posted by MonsieurVerde

It wasn't their cup of tea, so they quit. Big deal. O_o If you quit over fatigue you have issues that are better fixed in any other brand name MMO. No need to force change or completely scrap something just because it doesn't suit you.

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IT DOESN'T SUIT 90% OF THE PLAYER BASE. Which is why this game is failing.

STOP TROLLING.

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Originally Posted by MonsieurVerde

It wasn't their cup of tea, so they quit. Big deal. O_o If you quit over fatigue you have issues that are better fixed in any other brand name MMO. No need to force change or completely scrap something just because it doesn't suit you.

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"It wasn't their cup of tea, so they quit. Big deal."
It's a big deal to the shareholders who want to see profit.
It's a big deal to the developers who want their creation to be popular.
It's a big deal to the players who want to play a fun game on a server with lots of people.

"No need to force change or completely scrap something just because it doesn't suit you."
If he was the only one complaining, you'd be right. There wouldn't be any need to change. However, he's not the only one complaining. A majority of people hate the fatigue system, countless people have quit already because of it (as apparently, you'd prefer them to do), and even more people won't even give this game a chance in the first place because of all the negative publicity the fatigue system has given this game, fairly or unfairly.

But in the end, as objectively as I can put it, the fatigue system as it is currently implemented is totally stupid. Just replacing it with a "rested bonus XP" system would solve everything.