PlayStation 3 version: Why Bother?

Threwing my 2 Cents in,

I would love it on a PS3 for many reasons.
-Keyboard and mouse accessible with the PS3. Not only that it has a input Voice system as well.
-I love my PS3, Final fantasy was breed into the sony console. (My first FF was on the nintendo console's but my obsession began after FF9 and FF7 for the PS1, then jumped onto the other handheld versions, even the classics for the PS1).
-Final fantasy series, have been so flexible and amazing on the Playstation console. From my experience and point of view. Even loved and enjoyed playing FFXI Online on the PS2, it was perfect and amazing; although I do fear ONE thing, that that PS3 has shit servers.


Only thing I can say is, I hope they have their own personal server. So we don't have to use the PS3 Servers, cause the PS3 servers are horrid from experience. Unless you have the PS3+ (Plus) Which doesn't make much of a difference imo.

Plus it be nice to have a back up console that is supporting FFXIV, for those that travel and can't carry a Desktop, or don't want to play on a laptop. Although it would be amazing to play it on a 32' or higher TV /snorts all geeky/ I'd so take a picture standing next to my avatar with a 52' TV XD yeyeye!

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Originally Posted by Sanie_Kyoto

Only thing I can say is, I hope they have their own personal server. So we don't have to use the PS3 Servers, cause the PS3 servers are horrid from experience. Unless you have the PS3+ (Plus) Which doesn't make much of a difference imo.

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PS+ has nothing to do with server connection. The benefits of PS+ is just discounted PSN store games, 10 free monthly game downloads, and Cloud storage as long as you stay subscribed.

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Originally Posted by Andrien

PS+ has nothing to do with server connection. The benefits of PS+ is just discounted PSN store games, 10 free monthly game downloads, and Cloud storage as long as you stay subscribed.

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Hence why I said not much of a difference? lol (meaning its useless, nothing even worth of effort, just incase someone might mention it. Come on, think present.) :3

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Originally Posted by Sanie_Kyoto

Hence why I said not much of a difference? lol (meaning its useless, nothing even worth of effort, just incase someone might mention it. Come on, think present.) :3

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I might be lacking sleep, but why you mention PS+ then lol? I'll figure it out later.
Perhaps PS+ members will get discounted expansion packs. Oh snap!

Not going to read all 17 pages of this thread.

Aside from the customers yet to be gained from the PS3 market; SE has to hold up it's end of the deal and keep it's promises to all of us.

They mentioned it many times: The PS3 version is being created because 1.0 was supposed to have a PS3 version and they refuse to back down on that commitment because they wish to regain the trust of their customers and the only way to do that is to follow through with what they have already promised to us.

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Yes, promise.

Actually I bought my PS3 at 2007 in the faith that FF13 and FF14 will be exclusive content for this console....

I am glad to see they are willing to keep the promise after 6 years.

But now I wish they can port FF14 to PS4 because the HW of PS3 is absolutely outdated.

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Originally Posted by ChiyoKatsui

Yea, that's not really a valid reason... My PS3 and PC are both hooked up to my 50" Plasma...

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I use my PC for other things than playing games as well... Excel spreadsheet does not need to be stretched on a 50" screen.. pls god no, that would be a nightmare lol.

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Originally Posted by Ziyyigo-Tipyigo

Final Fantasy XI was released for the PlayStation 2 first before other platforms, during the height of that console's popularity. The PS2 slim hadn't even been announced yet. And yet today, the PS2 version of Seekers of Adoulin will not be released in North America, and in general it is the PC version that seems to get the most support and attention from Square-Enix.

Now we have ARR on the horizon. 1.0, at least, was written for and graced the PC first. Meanwhile, all indications are the next PlayStation will be announced by the time ARR hits shelves; and there's certainly no guarantee that Sony's next console will play PS3 games.

With the cards already stacked against the PS3 version, and with the history of FFXI showing that support for console versions will get axed well before the PC version, why is Square-Enix bothering with releasing the PS3 version of the game at all at this point? And why should players make the commitment of buying the PS3 version when history shows they'll just have to move to the PC eventually anyway?

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You, sir, need a lesson in marketing. Or twenty. The several tens of million PS3s in nearly as many households aren't going to just disappear when Sony will release the PS4 that, mind you, hasn't even been announced yet.

Don't worry about how the "cards are stacked". They know better than you.

Mind you, comparing the PS3 to the PS2 is as ridiculous as it comes. Seekers of Adoulin won't be released on a console that hasn't been part of the current generation for SIX years. The PS3 is still extremely far from that point.

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Originally Posted by Ziyyigo-Tipyigo

I am basing my assumptions on past behavior.

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You mean the past behavior that has been, in quite a few cases, thrown out of the window with Final Fantasy XIV?

You know, in the past Square Enix didn't even want to hear about official forums. You're writing nonsensical dribble on one now.

And mind you, if you want to look at "past behavior", you may want to look at the recent past, that recent past in which SE released Dragon Quest X on the Wii, and is re-releasing it with better graphics on the Wii U. Expansions and updates are continuing and are going to continue on the Wii version, despite it being an "obsolete" console.

I suggest checking your facts before you bring up "Past behavior" as evidence of something you evidently know very little about.

lol i had the ps2 then played 11 on the ps3 but i cant see my self buying a computer to run 14 i had issues running 14 with what i have noe but it seem to be dated so why not cross platforms to bring in more players there are alot of ps3 palyers who want ff14 on the ps look at ff 13 1&2 the games were great and looked way better than 14 ever did the ps3 graphic card is amazing and only se can push it card to it max

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Originally Posted by Phe

compare the price of a PC able to run FFXIV smoothly with the price of a PS3.

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Not much different in price if you have a computer already that's semi recent and has PCI-E ports. Most of which have them these days, even the cheap ones.

If you don't mind waiting a few days, you can upgrade a pc to play ARR quite cheaply if you use online retailers, and do a bit of shopping around.

Edit: I'm not trying to sway anyone, one way or another. I just think you all should weigh your options, parts vs ps3, then decide. Can't hurt to look around first, especially if you're just sitting around the forums trying to figure out what to do. :)

I'll gladly help anyone who wants look for parts if they want, that are decent for a decent price. Just an offer. Have at ye'.

FFXIV: ARR actually has a lot less demand in terms of PC system requirements. My laptop, which probably barely met the minimum requirements for 1.x, now meets most of the requirements for recommended in ARR~

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Originally Posted by Sanie_Kyoto

Hence why I said not much of a difference? lol (meaning its useless, nothing even worth of effort, just incase someone might mention it. Come on, think present.) :3

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PSN servers won't effect SE servers O.o

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Originally Posted by Pwnagraphic

PSN servers won't effect SE servers O.o

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That's true, but if you can't log into psn, you can't login to 99.9% of online games on PS3.

if u cant sign in to psn then how are u playin online period lol

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Originally Posted by lolodin

if u cant sign in to psn then how are u playin online period lol

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Depends on the game, but some you can use XlinkKai if psn is down i believe. atleast you use to be able to.

The game is on Square Enix servers, not PSN, you need a Square Enix account to log into the game, not your PSN account. If FFXIV ARR is on maintenance nobody can log in regardless if PSN is offline or not.

I can still browse the internet on my PS3 while PSN is on maintenance, so I doubt it will effect gameplay.

speculating of course.

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Originally Posted by Andrien

The game is on Square Enix servers, not PSN, you need a Square Enix account to log into the game, not your PSN account. If FFXIV ARR is on maintenance nobody can log in regardless if PSN is offline or not.

I can still browse the internet on my PS3 while PSN is on maintenance, so I doubt it will effect gameplay.

speculating of course.

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Na, you need to log in to PSN to use anything other than LAN services, which is how XLinkKai works. Ofcourse the browser will work. your internet isnt off. its how sony bans people for hacking stuff. because they have to authenticate with the server to do anything online besides browse the net. Other games servers aren't on PSN's servers either, it's a tunnel through psn to the real server. every online game uses it on ps3 that I know of, with the exception of using LAN. LAN won't go through PSN obviously.

I use to have FFXI on my PS3, but I don't remember if I had to sign in to PSN for it. I think I did though.

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Originally Posted by ChiyoKatsui

Na, you need to log in to PSN to use anything other than LAN services, which is how XLinkKai works. Ofcourse the browser will work. your internet isnt off. its how sony bans people for hacking stuff. because they have to authenticate with the server to do anything online besides browse the net. Other games servers aren't on PSN's servers either, it's a tunnel through psn to the real server. every online game uses it on ps3 that I know of, with the exception of using LAN. LAN won't go through PSN obviously.

I use to have FFXI on my PS3, but I don't remember if I had to sign in to PSN for it. I think I did though.

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I remember using netflix while psn is down for maintenance. It said unable to sign into PSN, but netflix will still run as normal because it also uses my netflix account to log into the service. I'll have to experiment with that again to see if they change it.

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Originally Posted by Pwnagraphic

PSN servers won't effect SE servers O.o

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Kinda funny because two years ago PSN got hacked and went offline however you still can play Netflix without requiring PSN. Why you are forced to be logged in to play 99.9% of online games because you must update your firmware to the latest version to stop hacking and that's how Sony is considering for...

About SE servers, eh I don't think Sony wanna bother with it but SE would want you to update your PS3 like everyone has to! :D

PSN isn't like Xbox Live though.

Yea, netflix doesn't really require psn, theirs nothing you can do that affects psn. With games, glitches get fixed and loopholes in the ps3 firmware get fixed. The reason being, that people enable debug options like god mod, or auto aim, even make it so your enemies are always visible. So yea.. If you're version doesn't match the psn servers, you usually get screwed into updating.

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Originally Posted by ChiyoKatsui

Not much different in price if you have a computer already that's semi recent and has PCI-E ports. Most of which have them these days, even the cheap ones.

If you don't mind waiting a few days, you can upgrade a pc to play ARR quite cheaply if you use online retailers, and do a bit of shopping around.

Edit: I'm not trying to sway anyone, one way or another. I just think you all should weigh your options, parts vs ps3, then decide. Can't hurt to look around first, especially if you're just sitting around the forums trying to figure out what to do. :)

I'll gladly help anyone who wants look for parts if they want, that are decent for a decent price. Just an offer. Have at ye'.

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A lot of people simply don't want to deal with PC gaming. They like to just put in the disk or install the game and play it, without having to deals with configuration, framerate testing and all that crap.

PC gaming comes with additional work, and while it's great for many like me that love to dabble with it, not everyone does, and it's great for them to have an alternative.

PS: the PSN only handles the login. Until you're logged into the game, like for DUST 514, the PSN doesn't handle any of the data transfered, that goes directly between you and the game's servers.

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Originally Posted by Abriael

A lot of people simply don't want to deal with PC gaming. They like to just put in the disk or install the game and play it, without having to deals with configuration, framerate testing and all that crap.

PC gaming comes with additional work, and while it's great for many like me that love to dabble with it, not everyone does, and it's great for them to have an alternative.

PS: the PSN only handles the login. Until you're logged into the game, like for DUST 514, the PSN doesn't handle any of the data transfered, that goes directly between you and the game's servers.

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Yea, I just said that about PSN... Anyways, I don't know why you went into detail about the ease of using a ps3 over a pc. That wasn't the point. Phe said to look at the cost of a ps3 vs pc parts. Truth is, it's not much different if you own a pc already, if at all. No one ever said this that and the other thing about it. Obviously some people are going to want to play on ps3 regardless. That's common sense.

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Originally Posted by Mamba

I use my PC for other things than playing games as well... Excel spreadsheet does not need to be stretched on a 50" screen.. pls god no, that would be a nightmare lol.

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Yea, I use my PC for things besides gaming too. I don't know why you wouldn't want to use a 50" screen for spreadsheets. You can see everything. Each their own though.

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Originally Posted by ChiyoKatsui

Yea, I just said that about PSN... Anyways, I don't know why you went into detail about the ease of using a ps3 over a pc. That wasn't the point. Phe said to look at the cost of a ps3 vs pc parts. Truth is, it's not much different if you own a pc already, if at all. No one ever said this that and the other thing about it. Obviously some people are going to want to play on ps3 regardless. That's common sense.

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Most of the time it isn't even a price issue. In the every day person's mind, do they want to mess with setups on a PC constantly to play a game or simply have a console that does it all for them? I agree that PC's are dominant always and is the best choice for everyone, but some people want the most "convenient" choice, not the best. The idea of convenience is what has kept consoles over PC's forever now.

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Originally Posted by Ziyyigo-Tipyigo

Final Fantasy XI was released for the PlayStation 2 first before other platforms

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no it wasn't. It was out on PC first, at least in NA. I had been playing on PC for a few months already when I went to Best Buy to wait for the game to be put on the shelves on release day.

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Originally Posted by Molly_Millions

no it wasn't. It was out on PC first.

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In the US. In Japan it was out on PS2 first.

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Originally Posted by Velhart

Most of the time it isn't even a price issue. In the every day person's mind, do they want to mess with setups on a PC constantly to play a game or simply have a console that does it all for them? I agree that PC's are dominant always and is the best choice for everyone, but some people want the most "convenient" choice, not the best. The idea of convenience is what has kept consoles over PC's forever now.

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You shouldn't need to constantly mess with it though, set it up once and your done. Now if you just go gung-ho and start messing with settings without knowing what youre even doing yea, I agree. I'd assume most people would ask for a basic setup for their rig before buying parts. Most people I've seen for XI and XIV buy parts on other forums always get someone to help out with parts and setting suggestions. I just feel if they want a truly great experience, they should go with PC. To each their own though of course. I buy consoles myself too. I buy them because games I want aren't released on PC though. Nothing more nothing less. If it comes out on PC, I buy that version over the console ones.

Much better graphics and smoother gameplay in some scenarios. Loading times are usually a bit faster too. Regardless, I'm just here to wait like everyone else. Might as well help whoever decides to go PC.

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Originally Posted by Abriael

In the US. In Japan it was out on PS2 first.

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^^ look up. Ninja edit.

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Originally Posted by Molly_Millions

^^ look up. Ninja edit.

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Problem is, it makes your arguement that it came out on PC first null and off base. It came out on PS2 first, it doesn't matter what region it was in.

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Originally Posted by ChiyoKatsui

Problem is, it makes your arguement that it came out on PC first null and off base. It came out on PS2 first, it doesn't matter what region it was in.

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Not really, if we're talking about total subscription numbers, we need to pay attention to ALL REGIONS rather than just Japan. If we want to look at Japanese subs only, then yes, my point is moot.

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Originally Posted by Molly_Millions

Not really, if we're talking about total subscription numbers, we need to pay attention to ALL REGIONS rather than just Japan. If we want to look at Japanese subs only, then yes, my point is moot.

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I thought this thread was about a Why they should make a PS3 version, not about the subscribers on said platform. Regardless of the fact that a subscription base exists for a PS3 version, what does FFXI comming out on PC first in america have to do with this?

Edit: You could of imported the japanese version. Just sayin'.

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Originally Posted by ChiyoKatsui

I thought this thread was about a Why they should make a PS3 version, not about the subscribers on said platform. Regardless of the fact that a subscription base exists for a PS3 version, what does FFXI comming out on PC first in america have to do with this?

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Aren't the subscribers on said platform the reason to make it available? I raised the point because it's the first line of the OP.

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Originally Posted by Molly_Millions

Aren't the subscribers on said platform the reason to make it available?

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Yes and no. If they made the game for everybody that had a console, they'd just waste money producing it. They're targetting the PS3 because they promised a PS3 version and want to hold to their promise. It's definately a reason, but it's not the reason. Otherwise theyd make a 360 version.

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Originally Posted by ChiyoKatsui

You shouldn't need to constantly mess with it though, set it up once and your done. Now if you just go gung-ho and start messing with settings without knowing what youre even doing yea, I agree. I'd assume most people would ask for a basic setup for their rig before buying parts. Most people I've seen for XI and XIV buy parts on other forums always get someone to help out with parts and setting suggestions. I just feel if they want a truly great experience, they should go with PC. To each their own though of course. I buy consoles myself too. I buy them because games I want aren't released on PC though. Nothing more nothing less. If it comes out on PC, I buy that version over the console ones.

Much better graphics and smoother gameplay in some scenarios. Loading times are usually a bit faster too. Regardless, I'm just here to wait like everyone else. Might as well help whoever decides to go PC.

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My first reaction was to agree, but on second thought... My computer installs new program versions at least once a week. Sometimes these are no problem, but there are those updates that mess with your system. For example, a recent update to Norton360 blocked all my addresses so I couldn't click on anything. Took a while to get it unblocked. I still don't know what it did. I think it somehow glitched the browzer. So, yea, you can expect to always have to mess with a PC.

And I just bought a PS3 so I can try both systems. I know my computer works fine, so I will mostly be checking the PS3 version to see if it runs just as well.

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Originally Posted by hrdndv

My first reaction was to agree, but on second thought... My computer installs new program versions at least once a week. Sometimes these are no problem, but there are those updates that mess with your system. For example, a recent update to Norton360 blocked all my addresses so I couldn't click on anything. Took a while to get it unblocked. I still don't know what it did. I think it somehow glitched the browzer. So, yea, you can expect to always have to mess with a PC.

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I don't use any bloatware. Nor do I update Windows or my software most of the time. So I guess I'm ruled out and alone on this one.

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Originally Posted by Molly_Millions

Not really, if we're talking about total subscription numbers, we need to pay attention to ALL REGIONS rather than just Japan. If we want to look at Japanese subs only, then yes, my point is moot.

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PS2 was a very popular choice for NA also. I knew plenty of people who didn't play till the PS2 release because their PC couldn't handle it. One thing that did equal out the playing field that while not difficult, the network adaptor and setup on PS2 was a tad trivial to some. With the advances in technology, getting online on a console is simple as can be, and in the case of FFXIV, a much more convenient option, not the best, but convenient.

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Originally Posted by ChiyoKatsui

You shouldn't need to constantly mess with it though, set it up once and your done. Now if you just go gung-ho and start messing with settings without knowing what youre even doing yea, I agree. I'd assume most people would ask for a basic setup for their rig before buying parts. Most people I've seen for XI and XIV buy parts on other forums always get someone to help out with parts and setting suggestions. I just feel if they want a truly great experience, they should go with PC. To each their own though of course. I buy consoles myself too. I buy them because games I want aren't released on PC though. Nothing more nothing less. If it comes out on PC, I buy that version over the console ones.

Much better graphics and smoother gameplay in some scenarios. Loading times are usually a bit faster too. Regardless, I'm just here to wait like everyone else. Might as well help whoever decides to go PC.

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Well look at it this way also, to stay up to date on a PC, you are always having to upgrade something 1-2 years down the road to keep up with games. PS3 has been out since 2006 and we are just now hearing rumors everywhere on the PS4. That is a 7+ year machine that has been able to run your games without the hassle of upgrading the machine itself. Now look how far graphic cards, RAM storage, and processing power has improved since 2006. Some people buy consoles knowing it will last the long run. PC's are better, but they are a commitment, consoles are not. This is an ideal that may pass as generations come by, but for now, consoles will always dominate the market for convenience being one of the reasons.

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Originally Posted by ChiyoKatsui

Yes and no. If they made the game for everybody that had a console, they'd just waste money producing it. They're targetting the PS3 because they promised a PS3 version and want to hold to their promise. It's definately a reason, but it's not the reason. Otherwise theyd make a 360 version.

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I have to disagree, not everyone that's interested in this game will consider playing it on PC. Believe it or not, there are those who are still waiting for it to be released on ps3 to play at all. So are you saying SE should just ignore that group of potential subscribers?

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Originally Posted by Velhart

PS2 was a very popular choice for NA also. I knew plenty of people who didn't play till the PS2 release because their PC couldn't handle it. One thing that did equal out the playing field that while not difficult, the network adaptor and setup on PS2 was a tad trivial to some. With the advances in technology, getting online on a console is simple as can be, and in the case of FFXIV, a much more convenient option, not the best, but convenient.



Well look at it this way also, to stay up to date on a PC, you are always having to upgrade something 1-2 years down the road to keep up with games. PS3 has been out since 2006 and we are just now hearing rumors everywhere on the PS4. That is a 7+ year machine that has been able to run your games without the hassle of upgrading the machine itself. Now look how far graphic cards, RAM storage, and processing power has improved since 2006. Some people buy consoles knowing it will last the long run. PC's are better, but they are a commitment, consoles are not. This is an ideal that may pass as generations come by, but for now, consoles will always dominate the market for convenience being one of the reasons.

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I updated my PC once in the last ten years, for FFXIV. Everything played fine til then. It really depends on the parts you buy. Some of the old ATI cards still compete with newer cards, same for Nvidia. You're not wrong though, they bring new stuff out almost every week. Whether it's a gpu or cpu, or just some ram. I guess it boils down to how much time you have, and how much you're willing to research.

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Originally Posted by Molly_Millions

I have to disagree, not everyone that's interested in this game will consider playing it on PC. Believe it or not, there are those who are still waiting for it to be released on ps3 to play at all. So are you saying SE should just ignore that group of potential subscribers?

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Which is what the Op wants to start which at least 85% of this thread is against thus this thread and its meaning at all was defeated. Its only kept alive by those now battling the network on the Ps3 which is the game will be played so in short we want the Ps3 but a better network on the system to play it

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Originally Posted by Velhart

PS2 was a very popular choice for NA also. I knew plenty of people who didn't play till the PS2 release because their PC couldn't handle it. One thing that did equal out the playing field that while not difficult, the network adaptor and setup on PS2 was a tad trivial to some. With the advances in technology, getting online on a console is simple as can be, and in the case of FFXIV, a much more convenient option, not the best, but convenient.

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My point was to really say that what platform the game was released on first really has no bearing on whether SE should consider other platforms. Not everyone will rush out and buy a game on the first platform it's released on for various reasons. Some gamers just prefer to play games on a console and will never consider playing on PC, and vice versa. For SE to reach as many subscribers as possible, they need to cast a wide net.

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Originally Posted by Molly_Millions

I have to disagree, not everyone that's interested in this game will consider playing it on PC. Believe it or not, there are those who are still waiting for it to be released on ps3 to play at all. So are you saying SE should just ignore that group of potential subscribers?

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Did you even read my post?