Back Paddling is horrible.

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Originally Posted by YuriSan

the character will turn around with the camera and you will allways bee seeing his back.
Did you get this?
read carefully please.

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thats not true.. you can also view your characters front

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Originally Posted by Nyx

wow I can't believe how rude people are getting over this subject. To each their own. Some people find the default restraining, some like it.

People are saying: "oh I have played mmo's more/longer than you so I KNOW what your preference should be!"
If that was the case, wouldn't the games designers not even allow us to re-map buttons?

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I was a keyboard turner its not about preference its about what will actually make you better as a player I would not be arguing if it was just my opinion.

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Originally Posted by YuriSan

Cuse i like seeing my charactyer's pretty awesome face? you'd want to see your character's face too if it was as beautiful as mine.



Really? well since u wanna hear more imma tell you.
In FFXIV you could be normally walking in any direction when outside of battle but also lock on the target when in combat mode and backpaddle or whatevs it's called. now in ARR backpaddling is an ALWAYS ON effect. you can't really turn it off and turn your camera around your character. the character will turn around with the camera and you will allways bee seeing his back.
Did you get this?
read carefully please.



Well so far all vids i have seen from alpha when he turns his camera around the character always turns too. I aint in Alpha so i only see what they show in the vids.

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I think this guys is pretty young.

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Originally Posted by pool842

Your right I know nothing of mmo's lol I have only been playing them for 6 years... why would you even say I have never played an mmo then say backpedaling is dumb it literally makes no sense in the same sentence... I am trying to tell you that if you change your ways on the control of your character you will be an amazing player you have to learn these new controls in any modern mmo. I had a 2310 rated arena team in world of warcraft back in Cataclysm. I can't even begin to explain how hard that is to do... maybe others on here will know.

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Originally Posted by Jynx

How droll.

You obviously dont care what anyone else thinks so no point in trying to talk to the brick wall you continue to reinforce with comments like that. You know nothing of the MMOs let alone what games I play so I would apreciate you not assuming things about me because of my preferences.

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Originally Posted by pool842

I was a keyboard turner its not about preference its about what will actually make you better as a player I would not be arguing if it was just my opinion.

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keyboard turner? such as you used only keyboard to play? That is fine. I think that what input method the player uses does not make them better or worse. I was able to complete all of 1.0's content using a controller. No one could tell that I used it, and I was able to perform just as well as those who used keyboard only, or keyboard and mouse.

I think what will actually make a person a better player is a system that makes sense to them. We all don't have the same brains, and we all don't do things exactly the same way. So whatever makes the individual be able to perform their best is what will be able to make them be "better as a player".

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Originally Posted by Raven_Reborn

Yup .. the only difference now is that it happens even when you are unlocked. There is a way to completely turn around in 2.0 without back pedaling .... urrr umm .. I mean, I've heard there is.

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I wouldn't make assumptions without having played the alpha. It's always possible that you can edit your targeting, just like in XI and ver. 1, and of course, they could change the mechanics based on tester feedback before they reach Beta.

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Originally Posted by Nyx

keyboard turner? such as you used only keyboard to play? That is fine. I think that what input method the player uses does not make them better or worse. I was able to complete all of 1.0's content using a controller. No one could tell that I used it, and I was able to perform just as well as those who used keyboard only, or keyboard and mouse.

I think what will actually make a person a better player is a system that makes sense to them. We all don't have the same brains, and we all don't do things exactly the same way. So whatever makes the individual be able to perform their best is what will be able to make them be "better as a player".

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Trust me you could not perform in any high end content in wow as a keyboard turner, sorry its not possible.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vamX1gAooVE keyboard turn this lol

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Originally Posted by pool842

keyboard turn this lol

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You aren't even listening to what people are saying are you?

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Originally Posted by YuriSan

Well so far all vids i have seen from alpha when he turns his camera around the character always turns too. I aint in Alpha so i only see what they show in the vids.

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The right mouse button held down turns the camera and the character. Left mouse button only turns the camera. It's like most current MMO's.

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Originally Posted by pool842

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vamX1gAooVE keyboard turn this lol

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My, I can't get over how amazing and incredibly epic that looked...

God damn it... is this sort of thing what people want? That's the oh so glorified PvP of a "standard MMO"?

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Originally Posted by Klefth

My, I can't get over how amazing and incredibly epic that looked...

God damn it... is this sort of thing what people want? That's the oh so glorified PvP of a "standard MMO"?

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trust me if the graphics were of 14 quality I would be in heaven lol

Graphics really aren't my only issue there. As I said before, I still like good old RO better than WoW even to this day. And that's an older, sprite based MMO (and perhaps the only one in which the use of a mouse actually feels natural).

I keep reading the title of this thread as black pudding is horrible, which it is.

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That is fine. I think that what input method the player uses does not make them better or worse.

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There are technical and physical differences between various input devices that make them inherently better or worse in various ways. the only way to compensate for this is to cripple the advantages. but the only way to cripple a mouse and keyboard is to make them functionally inferior or butcher the control mechanics so that its harder to control your character the way you really should be able to.

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Originally Posted by pool842

I think this guys is pretty young.

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Not really bud. I'm just not dead serious about shit matters that are lollable :)

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Originally Posted by IloveYouPumpkin

The right mouse button held down turns the camera and the character. Left mouse button only turns the camera. It's like most current MMO's.

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Ahh that's sweet.
I can see my purty mouf in ARR aswell then.
I haven't seen it in a vid so far and i aint in Alpha so I didn't know,
Also I didn't see it in any other MMO cause I don't do other MMOs.

Now, c'mon all you grown ups, let's go in the other room and discuss those super cereal issues we where discussing in this forum before that child came along and spoilled it for us. (lulz)

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Originally Posted by YuriSan

Not really bud. I'm just not dead serious about shit matters that are lollable :)



Ahh that's sweet.
I can see my purty mouf in ARR aswell then.
I haven't seen it in a vid so far and i aint in Alpha so I didn't know,
Also I didn't see it in any other MMO cause I don't do other MMOs.

Now, c'mon all you grown ups, let's go in the other room and discuss those super cereal issues we where discussing in this forum before that child came along and spoilled it for us. (lulz)

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Need I say more.... An adult does not have to prove it.

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Originally Posted by pool842

Need I say more.... An adult does not have to prove it.

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pfffftt haaa! Sweet! i'm an underaged person again YAY! gimme a cookie Yoda, Chocoate chip, with peanutbutter!

/em knocks over tv


This is an outrage!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I QUIT!!


No it isn't and no I don't. I LOVE the Q.Q at something when you have no idea how it actually works. Let's complain about something else via speculation.

I never noticed it much in FFXI. I mean back peddling while locked on makes sense, but not while just wandering around.

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Originally Posted by pool842

Trust me you could not perform in any high end content in wow as a keyboard turner, sorry its not possible.

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LOL I think its laughable you believe that. Strafe Left + Turn Left on keyboard controls on WoW was <.1s behind click turning. Also if someone accustomed to 100% keyboard controls had to reach over to their mouse to turn, its far slower than Strafe Left/Turn Left.

Maybe PVP where you are trying to constantly LOS your opponent by running and jumping random crazy directions non-stop its required to move with the mouse but for endgame its not required at all because nothing in the game (where you had to move directly backwards) was so fine tuned that .1s made any difference. The tightest timer in the game was Heroic LK's void zone drop (1.5s to move 12 yards away from people) and meele were able to get out of range by strafing on the keyboard.

Basically Strafe (which was added to Alpha V2.0) and turn (same direction as strafe you used) is so close to just free running backwards that its literally the same thing.

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Originally Posted by YuriSan

Cuse i like seeing my charactyer's pretty awesome face? you'd want to see your character's face too if it was as beautiful as mine.

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You are an Elezen, there is nothing beautiful about you. Go back to hiding in your caves and stay off of my continent, thanks.

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Originally Posted by Cedri

I never noticed it much in FFXI. I mean back peddling while locked on makes sense, but not while just wandering around.

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why it does make more sense ? i dont get it..

because you are just used to it, and it was implemented in FFXI like this way.. then its okay? ;XD

aha..

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Originally Posted by Tonkra

why it does make more sense ? i dont get it..

because you are just used to it, and it was implemented in FFXI like this way.. then its okay? ;XD

aha..

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You know what's funny? That's pretty much the same reasoning from those that are in favor of backpedaling everywhere: because it works well on WoW and it's off-springs.

I created a video that demonstrates the standard keyboard and mouse controls that seem to be used in the alpha videos with keyboard and mouse. Since I can't and/or not allowed use alpha, I demoed it with Guild Wars 2 using a tool that shows my keystrokes and mouse clicks.

I hope this video helps non pc gamers understand that it is not limited. I doubt SE will push this onto controller users because analog sticks are best to allow your character move in all directions.

WARNING: I do use backpedaling.
Standard MMO Keyboard and Mouse Demo Using Guild Wars 2

Yeah, they all work pretty much like, say, Skyrim does. Thing is, it's not all that practical with a controller, and that's why I think they should make that part of movement control (strafing/back pedaling or free movement) an option, not just make the former the default and that's it.

I agree SE should support both. No one should be forcing their preference on others. Alpha doesn't have controller support so we have to voice our concerns and wait till beta.

I use both. I use controller for console ports and keyboard/mouse for pc games. Tried to play assassins creed III with keyboard/mouse and it felt so awkward.

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Originally Posted by Pseudopsia

I agree SE should support both. No one should be forcing their preference on others. Alpha doesn't have controller support so we have to voice our concerns and wait till beta.

I use both. I use controller for console ports and keyboard/mouse for pc games. Tried to play assassins creed III with keyboard/mouse and it felt so awkward.

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After playing AC2 and Brotherhood with PS3 controller, tried to play AC with K+M and simply could not do it for the life of me

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Originally Posted by Zdenka

LOL I think its laughable you believe that. Strafe Left + Turn Left on keyboard controls on WoW was <.1s behind click turning. Also if someone accustomed to 100% keyboard controls had to reach over to their mouse to turn, its far slower than Strafe Left/Turn Left.

Maybe PVP where you are trying to constantly LOS your opponent by running and jumping random crazy directions non-stop its required to move with the mouse but for endgame its not required at all because nothing in the game (where you had to move directly backwards) was so fine tuned that .1s made any difference. The tightest timer in the game was Heroic LK's void zone drop (1.5s to move 12 yards away from people) and meele were able to get out of range by strafing on the keyboard.

Basically Strafe (which was added to Alpha V2.0) and turn (same direction as strafe you used) is so close to just free running backwards that its literally the same thing.

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Sorry I have no idea what your talking who uses there keyboard to turn again? Your not even on topic of my controls of wow lol. Watch the above video please.

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Originally Posted by Pseudopsia

I created a video that demonstrates the standard keyboard and mouse controls that seem to be used in the alpha videos with keyboard and mouse. Since I can't and/or not allowed use alpha, I demoed it with Guild Wars 2 using a tool that shows my keystrokes and mouse clicks.

I hope this video helps non pc gamers understand that it is not limited. I doubt SE will push this onto controller users because analog sticks are best to allow your character move in all directions.

WARNING: I do use backpedaling.
Standard MMO Keyboard and Mouse Demo Using Guild Wars 2

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That was a really good example nice work cool skills btw lol.

When it comes down to it I just don't want the game to be slowed down or gimped for a controller. But if they can manage to keep the game-play smooth on both that's great and i would welcome that whole heartily ^^.

I can't stand playing keyboard mouse on anything. 100% controller chicka here!
Well I guess it's not so bad on Diablo III..

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Originally Posted by pool842

When it comes down to it I just don't want the game to be slowed down or gimped for a controller. But if they can manage to keep the game-play smooth on both that's great and i would welcome that whole heartily ^^.

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Going by what we've seen of the controller UI, I believe they will

http://zantetsuken.net/wp-content/up...v-media-06.png

That's 16 commands readily available at the press of a button (well, two actually). It could well be the most efficient controller setup ever made. Now we just have to wait to know more of the movement and camera controls, but it looks like it'll be pretty smooth for combat.

Oh! That looks similar to Tera controls. If it is I'll like that, much better and faster then scrolling through abilities. I played Tera with a controller.

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Originally Posted by Raven_Reborn

Yup .. the only difference now is that it happens even when you are unlocked. There is a way to completely turn around in 2.0 without back pedaling .... urrr umm .. I mean, I've heard there is.

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From your posts it's pretty clear you're in the Alpha, so I would suggest being a little more weary of the NDA.

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Originally Posted by Galliano

From your posts it's pretty clear you're in the Alpha, so I would suggest being a little more weary of the NDA.

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Yeah playing alpha is very tiring. :P

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Originally Posted by Klefth

Going by what we've seen of the controller UI, I believe they will

http://zantetsuken.net/wp-content/up...v-media-06.png

That's 16 commands readily available at the press of a button (well, two actually). It could well be the most efficient controller setup ever made. Now we just have to wait to know more of the movement and camera controls, but it looks like it'll be pretty smooth for combat.

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While the UI is drastically different, I believe DCU had the same "hotbar" funtionality (L1+Square, R2+Cross, etc)

Did someone mention a paddlin'?

http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/hFgR0m-9FmM/hqdefault.jpg

I freaking LOVED Teras controller set up.

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Originally Posted by Ruisu

You are an Elezen, there is nothing beautiful about you. Go back to hiding in your caves and stay off of my continent, thanks.

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LOL! I'm prettier than you.
I make Megan Fox nervous. she told me so already.

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Originally Posted by YuriSan

LOL! I'm prettier than you.
I make Megan Fox nervous. she told me so already.

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So it was you hiding in the bushes with me that night O.O! it was sad though being ran off her lawn after she signed your shirt >.>