Elitist Housing Must Go. Every Single Player Should Have A House.

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Originally Posted by Spiritech

lets go to the doctors office or dmv and make the line random because it got too long because a popular streamer broght in a bunch of clients.... seems fair right!?

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But if the resource is limited it will probably be a lottery. Like vaccine was lottery in the beginning right?

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Originally Posted by Hycinthus

But if the resource is limited it will probably be a lottery. Like vaccine was lottery in the beginning right?

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Vaccine was not a lottery in the begining, it went towards high risk people first, specifically the elderly. Before being released to everyone simultaneously and making apts.

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Originally Posted by Hycinthus

But if the resource is limited it will probably be a lottery. Like vaccine was lottery in the beginning right?

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If resources are the issue, they could charge actual CASH for houses and use the money to purchase more servers for even more housing that they can sell, it will be a process but eventually everyone should be able to get a house, AND SE makes money.

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Originally Posted by Aelin_Ashryver

There are still plenty unsold plots on the new EU servers, idk how the NA ones are looking but. If people want a house there are quite a few available!

I still hope they add larger apartments, I would have one on every single character in a heartbeat. A large apartment with maybe a separate instanced gardening area might be nice, although the amount of ppl wanting a garden just to grow onions should realise a couple things. It takes ages to grow them with cross breeding and also if everyone does it the price tanks and it is no longer worth the time invested. I spent a few months across my own and friends plots gardening and I have hundreds of thav seeds sitting there atm. Although I got lazy one week and lost a couple mill :x

But for those who are desperate for a house idk why you do not either transfer or make an alt. You don't even need to move your main character at all, if housing is important enough you put the effort in. It sucks that you need too but the option is there.

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Thats an unrealistic option, to go to my house i would have to abandon my FC, my friends in my server, and abandon my time zone. I don't see how this is legitimate advice unless I'm stricly only playing this game for the purpose of taking a housing slot. Not to mention AFTER abandoning all of that I would still have to enter a lottery that I have lost six times now.

oh yeah and pay for the world transfer...

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Originally Posted by Spiritech

If resources are the issue, they could change actual CASH for houses and use the money to purchase more servers for even more housing that they can sell, it will be a process but eventually everyone should be able to get a house, AND SE makes money.

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Thank god they dont listen to the community and they dont read these forums else they'd take your idea in consideration and we'd end up paying 250€ for a large

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Originally Posted by Mr_Happy

If the house disappears when you stop paying for it though then it would be a predatory system.

If they did something like this I would hope that the house would remain forever but you can only use it if you pay for it. Players put so much time and effort into making their houses, partially because they have to use glitches as the system is very basic.

Still this would be better than the current system for sure.

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How to lose any sort of opinion value in one lesson :

1 : Encourage real money for a virtual house and call it a "better system" than the current one

Well done !

I'd shell out some serious money if I could rent a whole ward and become the most horrifying creature in all existence: a landlord. No out of place Shirogane castles, no Namazu effigies.. ah, the dream.

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Originally Posted by Spiritech

If resources are the issue, they could charge actual CASH for houses and use the money to purchase more servers for even more housing that they can sell, it will be a process but eventually everyone should be able to get a house, AND SE makes money.

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If the house disappears when you stop paying for it though then it would be a predatory system.

If they did something like this I would hope that the house would remain forever but you can only use it if you pay for it. Players put so much time and effort into making their houses, partially because they have to use glitches as the system is very basic.

Still this would be better than the current system for sure.

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Originally Posted by Sindele

I'd shell out some serious money if I could rent a whole ward and become the most horrifying creature in all existence: a landlord. No out of place Shirogane castles, no Namazu effigies.. ah, the dream.

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Get an additional 3 service accounts with game license.

Create characters on a Materia world. Find an empty FC ward. Have fun.

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

Thank god they dont listen to the community and they dont read these forums else they'd take your idea in consideration and we'd end up paying 250€ for a large



How to lose any sort of opinion value in one lesson :

1 : Encourage real money for a virtual house and call it a "better system" than the current one

Well done !

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I agree 100% it's just that anything is better than the current system, so it's not saying much....

Just took a trip over to ESO and have very little desire to touch housing in this game because there is absolutely no comparison. This game is very far behind in terms of housing in general.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

Get an additional 3 service accounts with game license.

Create characters on a Materia world. Find an empty FC ward. Have fun.

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O gaaaawwwd xD

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Originally Posted by Mr_Happy

Just took a trip over to ESO and have very little desire to touch housing in this game because there is absolutely no comparison. This game is very far behind in terms of housing in general.

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I wouldn't call it far behind in general. A lot of MMOs have housing that is worse than this in some ways.

But definitely it is behind what a few MMOs were doing a decade ago.

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Originally Posted by Mr_Happy

O gaaaawwwd xD

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Well the poster said they'd spend serious money to get more houses. And the price of 4 services accounts really isn't that serious. Some people spend more than $60/month on things they use once then throw away.

I looked at ESO housing, you pay for every house and the cost of some is nutty. I can never stick on that game no matter how many times I try it. I spend more time downloading the thing than I do playing it.

I enjoy the wards but I would also love them to expand apartments to give you options for larger ones. EU servers still have a butt load of small plots for sale though. If people want them, they are there.

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Originally Posted by Spiritech

Thats an unrealistic option, to go to my house i would have to abandon my FC, my friends in my server, and abandon my time zone. I don't see how this is legitimate advice unless I'm stricly only playing this game for the purpose of taking a housing slot. Not to mention AFTER abandoning all of that I would still have to enter a lottery that I have lost six times now.

oh yeah and pay for the world transfer...

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Alternatively do what I did and make an alt if you want a house on another server. Depends how much you want the house really. I literally said you can make an alt and you do not need to 'abandon' anything. Like I am trying to give some potential solution. If you can't be bothered that's fair but at least say so xD

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Originally Posted by Aelin_Ashryver

Alternatively do what I did and make an alt if you want a house on another server. Depends how much you want the house really. I literally said you can make an alt and you do not need to 'abandon' anything. Like I am trying to give some potential solution. If you can't be bothered that's fair but at least say so xD

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Complaining is much more fun for these people though ! Than to use one of the many solutions available.

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Originally Posted by Aelin_Ashryver

I looked at ESO housing, you pay for every house and the cost of some is nutty. I can never stick on that game no matter how many times I try it. I spend more time downloading the thing than I do playing it.

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Some players think paying 3 million gil for a house is nutty and 50 million permanently insane. You have to really commit to a game before you start understanding the amounts aren't as bad as they seem at first.

But it's still a better housing system than what we have when it comes to accessibility and features.

You do make a good point - housing alone is generally not going to keep players engaged with a MMO. There's got to be other good content to go along with it.

Good thing with ESO is once you have it and build it you don't have to worry about it being taken away or demolished.

I just logged in after a few years and was able to enjoy my houses again :)

The joys of instanced housing!

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Originally Posted by Mr_Happy

Good thing with ESO is once you have it and build it you don't have to worry about it being taken away or demolished.

I just logged in after a few years and was able to enjoy my houses again :)

The joys of instanced housing!

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Still looks like shit.

Housing in XIV being limited and requiring you to stay subbed is what keeps it active and enjoyed by the people who have it. Housing might as well not exist in ESO, almost nobody bothers with it outside of a tiny RP subset of the population.

Mao still tryings to figure outs how housing is elitist when is doable by anyones with a few Gils and some spare times to enter the Lottery.

To be an Elitist, is not given for free.

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Originally Posted by PaalHenrik

Still looks like shit.

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You're talking about the art aesthetic, not the housing systems. ESO has a medieval/Dark Ages aesthetic and so that's what is used for their housing.

Take their systems and move them here, and it would be the FFXIV aesthetic being used just as it is now. The difference would be that some of the current creations that take a considerable amount of time to prepare could be done in less time, not to mention everyone could get the housing location of their choice instead of settling for a Goblet small because everything else was sold out..

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Originally Posted by Raim

Housing in XIV being limited and requiring you to stay subbed is what keeps it active and enjoyed by the people who have it. Housing might as well not exist in ESO, almost nobody bothers with it outside of a tiny RP subset of the population.

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Trust me, I don't enjoy my house because I'm required to stay subbed to keep it or because it's limited. That's the argument of elitists who value things based on assumed prestige.

I enjoy my house as a creative outlet. I'll redecorate a few times a year. I'd be fine if every player in the game had the same plot I did because what they do with their plot is for their enjoyment. What I do with my plot is for mine.

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Originally Posted by Raim

Housing in XIV being limited and requiring you to stay subbed is what keeps it active and enjoyed by the people who have it. Housing might as well not exist in ESO, almost nobody bothers with it outside of a tiny RP subset of the population.

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Housing being a neighborhood (ward) system is what keeps it active and enjoyed by the people who have it. Housing being practically invisible is what leads it to be practically non-existent.

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Originally Posted by CatStarwind

Housing being a neighborhood (ward) system is what keeps it active and enjoyed by the people who have it. Housing being practically invisible is what leads it to be practically non-existent.

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The only visitors i had were people from the novice network or private linkshell. And they realy dont care whether its truly a house, or an appartment on that.

Wards barely do anything as most of the time they are just completely dead in interaction. The only reason to have them is because something has to be loaded in to allow players to be teleported to between dungeons. That they support some houses for display is nice, but outside of that barely has any function. If houses would be instanced and allow teleporting to in similar fashion to appartments, barely anything would change.

The argument of having it look like a nice city can also backfire, because some house facades (and the ways of people decorating them) are plain horrible. The only reason its like that is because its unique and changing wards does change some appearances. And i can imagine that if it was FCs only, and FCs had more interaction, that it would help on that part to get some interaction. But thats not how most FCs work in this game. There is rarely any use to visit your FC house as usualy most members dont have any interaction in there. FC appartments are rarely built, and workshop access is often still restricted (if each player at least could make a private airship etc, then it could get more players to interact).

"You're talking about the art aesthetic, not the housing systems. ESO has a medieval/Dark Ages aesthetic and so that's what is used for their housing. " - can't edit properly, got real life lalafells begging for snacks atm.

I played ESO and got a few houses. Even got some pretty cool mansion. Still looked like shit. Plus, if you wanted a bigger better house, you'd have to shell out real money to buy the ESO currency. And you didn't get random short people erping in your bathtub unless you let them in. Where's the fun in that?

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Originally Posted by UkcsAlias

The only visitors i had were people from the novice network or private linkshell. And they realy dont care whether its truly a house, or an appartment on that.

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It is admittedly a pretty subjective experience. There's plenty of times where the FC or personal house was constantly used and stretches of time where it isn't.

To me what makes it are those times it's in use. So even if it is "completely dead" for maybe a month, when there's a holiday party or treasure hunt night it's really something ephemeral.

End of day though it is a communal space and therein lies the rub. When treated like exploitable games features it defeats that purpose and just compounds the feeling of emptiness.

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Originally Posted by PaalHenrik

"You're talking about the art aesthetic, not the housing systems. ESO has a medieval/Dark Ages aesthetic and so that's what is used for their housing. " - can't edit properly, got real life lalafells begging for snacks atm.

I played ESO and got a few houses. Even got some pretty cool mansion. Still looked like shit. Plus, if you wanted a bigger better house, you'd have to shell out real money to buy the ESO currency. And you didn't get random short people erping in your bathtub unless you let them in. Where's the fun in that?

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You can buy ESO currency from other players if you have money in game. Main reason for me to have houses in that game is for dueling arenas and parsing on your targets dummies to learn the complicated weaving system.

With the housing mod you can make houses from scratch also, many nice looking places if you check out some youtube videos or FB housing groups :)

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Originally Posted by CatStarwind

It is admittedly a pretty subjective experience. There's plenty of times where the FC or personal house was constantly used and stretches of time where it isn't.

To me what makes it are those times it's in use. So even if it is "completely dead" for maybe a month, when there's a holiday party or treasure hunt night it's really something ephemeral.

End of day though it is a communal space and therein lies the rub. When treated like exploitable games features it defeats that purpose and just compounds the feeling of emptiness.

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In the FC I am part of there is almost always players at the house, it's pretty cool :)

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Originally Posted by Stib

To be an Elitist, is not given for free.

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We are not asking for a free house.

I will Glady spend the Gil to pay for it :)

I'm reasonably sure this is a technical issue- if you've got a lot the game keeps track of where you've placed every single little thing in said lot and that adds up to a lot of data to load whenever anyone accesses it. Now obviously many games can and have pulled this off but FFXIV has a lot of what's called "technical debt"- it's been remade completely and added to over a long period of time and there's still code from 1.0 floating around in there somewhere. Housing, inventory space, and the character models are clearly a thing where every minor change they make probably involves more work than it should.

Like I'd love for them to be able to solve this and everyone to be able to buy a house but I'm not sure they can?

Being able to unlock housing districts should require completion of the necessary expansion's MSQ imo, would instantly stop these FC house abusers who buy up entire wards.


Yes, I understand it might hurt the RP/Venue community a bit but having single people buying up entire wards is a bigger problem.

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Originally Posted by NightHour

Being able to unlock housing districts should require completion of the necessary expansion's MSQ imo, would instantly stop these FC house abusers who buy up entire wards.


Yes, I understand it might hurt the RP/Venue community a bit but having single people buying up entire wards is a bigger problem.

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You're on Odin, which currently has 500 open plots.

Why are we taking houses from people again ?

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Originally Posted by NightHour

Being able to unlock housing districts should require completion of the necessary expansion's MSQ imo, would instantly stop these FC house abusers who buy up entire wards.


Yes, I understand it might hurt the RP/Venue community a bit but having single people buying up entire wards is a bigger problem.

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Hate to break it to you, but you can buy a story skip. And also people like me who literally are crazy enough to go through MSQ on multiple alts. I have 1 partway through EW, 4 in the middle of shb and one finishing up stormblood.
We know months in advance of major housing availability such as the new servers. I have the time to get another character leveled, their fc leveled and through enough MSQ to bid in whatever ward I want. More wards have been more or less inevitable even if they are not often, you can count on it happening.

Your proposed change won't solve anything. EU housing atm I would say is totally fine, there are still hundreds of houses available for players to get if they wish. JP I cannot speak to the state of but I would guess it's also fine. NA has an entire new DC to fill, if players refuse to move it's their choice and they can live with the stiff competition on servers like Balmung.

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Originally Posted by Aelin_Ashryver

Hate to break it to you, but you can buy a story skip. And also people like me who literally are crazy enough to go through MSQ on multiple alts. I have 1 partway through EW, 4 in the middle of shb and one finishing up stormblood.
We know months in advance of major housing availability such as the new servers. I have the time to get another character leveled, their fc leveled and through enough MSQ to bid in whatever ward I want. More wards have been more or less inevitable even if they are not often, you can count on it happening.

Your proposed change won't solve anything. EU housing atm I would say is totally fine, there are still hundreds of houses available for players to get if they wish. JP I cannot speak to the state of but I would guess it's also fine. NA has an entire new DC to fill, if players refuse to move it's their choice and they can live with the stiff competition on servers like Balmung.

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This cant be said enough tbh.

I will post it again, this is the availability of houses on Dynamis as of this round.

Halicarnassus : 4072 plots open.
Seraph : 3366 plots open.
Maduin : 4398 plots open.
Marilith : 4449 plots open.

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

This cant be said enough tbh.

I will post it again, this is the availability of houses on Dynamis as of this round.

Halicarnassus : 4072 plots open.
Seraph : 3366 plots open.
Maduin : 4398 plots open.
Marilith : 4449 plots open.

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If those who say they want a house refuse to claim one from what's available, then there's no point in arguing against the players who own multiple houses because they're purchasing what no one else would.

I get sorely tempted to start up new FCs on Marilith to get a few more houses. Currently I have no FC houses purchased and maintained by one of my Marilith characters. The house of the FC my characters are in was purchased by a different member who really has no interest in housing himself, he made the entry just to help the FC.

I haven't because I'd rather see other players come to the data center to get a house. But we've also got another 4 worlds getting added later this year that will bring an additional 28,800 houses to Dynamis (or 43,200 if wards 25-30 finally get unlocked for purchase on the New worlds). If others don't show up to start claiming what's available, there's really no reason not to buy multiple houses. Someone needs to make those mostly empty wards look inhabited.

If Marilith wards ever did fill up, I could always relinquish the additional FC houses beyond the one I'm allowed for my service account. I wouldn't have a problem doing that. But until that happened, owning multiple houses on Marilith isn't preventing any other player from getting a house.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

If those who say they want a house refuse to claim one from what's available, then there's no point in arguing against the players who own multiple houses because they're purchasing what no one else would.

I get sorely tempted to start up new FCs on Marilith to get a few more houses. Currently I have no FC houses purchased and maintained by one of my Marilith characters. The house of the FC my characters are in was purchased by a different member who really has no interest in housing himself, he made the entry just to help the FC.

I haven't because I'd rather see other players come to the data center to get a house. But we've also got another 4 worlds getting added later this year that will bring an additional 28,800 houses to Dynamis (or 43,200 if wards 25-30 finally get unlocked for purchase on the New worlds). If others don't show up to start claiming what's available, there's really no reason not to buy multiple houses. Someone needs to make those mostly empty wards look inhabited.

If Marilith wards ever did fill up, I could always relinquish the additional FC houses beyond the one I'm allowed for my service account. I wouldn't have a problem doing that. But until that happened, owning multiple houses on Marilith isn't preventing any other player from getting a house.

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This is exactly what's going on. My friends and I have an FC on Maduin we use as a secondary hangout spot, we bought an FC house for it to have a central place because not everyone wants to buy personal housing (heaven forefend!) and we all want somewhere we can hang out together and craft or whatever without standing in the main city states. The entire ward is slowly being filled in with rather clear sub shack owners... why? It's Goblet. It's Maduin. It'd all be sitting empty (as it was for awhile there) except for us otherwise.

So please, do not come kvetching at me about the sub shacks in my ward. It's been a gradual thing going on for many lotto cycles now because no one else wants those houses.

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

This cant be said enough tbh.

I will post it again, this is the availability of houses on Dynamis as of this round.

Halicarnassus : 4072 plots open.
Seraph : 3366 plots open.
Maduin : 4398 plots open.
Marilith : 4449 plots open.

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That count includes wards 25-30 which have been added in Dynamis but remain unavailable for bidding. It's still a lot of houses available after you take those wards away though.
Halicarnassus: 2175
Seraph: 1562
Maduin: 2528
Marilith: 2647

And here's what's actually available to private buyers
Halicarnassus: 645 : 47 medium & 7 large
Seraph: 258 : 48 Medium & 13 large
Maduin: 1030 : 40 medium & 7 large
Marilith: 1065: 22 medium & 4 large

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Originally Posted by NightHour

Being able to unlock housing districts should require completion of the necessary expansion's MSQ imo, would instantly stop these FC house abusers who buy up entire wards.


Yes, I understand it might hurt the RP/Venue community a bit but having single people buying up entire wards is a bigger problem.

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So far we need to complete ARR and be rank Second Lieutenant in our GC to buy a house.

Plus more MSQ requirements for Empyreum and Shirogane.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

If those who say they want a house refuse to claim one from what's available, then there's no point in arguing against the players who own multiple houses because they're purchasing what no one else would.

I get sorely tempted to start up new FCs on Marilith to get a few more houses. Currently I have no FC houses purchased and maintained by one of my Marilith characters. The house of the FC my characters are in was purchased by a different member who really has no interest in housing himself, he made the entry just to help the FC.

I haven't because I'd rather see other players come to the data center to get a house. But we've also got another 4 worlds getting added later this year that will bring an additional 28,800 houses to Dynamis (or 43,200 if wards 25-30 finally get unlocked for purchase on the New worlds). If others don't show up to start claiming what's available, there's really no reason not to buy multiple houses. Someone needs to make those mostly empty wards look inhabited.

If Marilith wards ever did fill up, I could always relinquish the additional FC houses beyond the one I'm allowed for my service account. I wouldn't have a problem doing that. But until that happened, owning multiple houses on Marilith isn't preventing any other player from getting a house.

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I don't disagree with you but it's also fair to understand that players who are already in established communities wouldn't want to leave them just for the sake of having a house. Not everyone has the option to uproot their entire communities and move to a new server afterall.

Let's take for example the server which I'm on, given how hard it is to obtain a house here given the population, I don't think I'm entirely wrong to say that multi plot owners derive other players from engaging with the housing system by virtue of an actual lack of houses.

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Originally Posted by DeNada

Not everyone has the option to uproot their entire communities and move to a new server afterall.

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It's really something that people think it's okay to simply say 'just move worlds lol!' as if everyone else is as self-centered to have no social connections to the world they're in. Especially coming from those who flagrantly break the plot requirements when they could simply just play literally any other MMO that offers exactly what they want.