Purge ERP from this game!

And who's reporting to law enforcement whatnow?

"yes, hello, officer, I'd like to report a party listing in a video game that's claiming to be 18+... What's that? Why are you laughing??"

My experience, cops won't do shit. My nephew was being molested by a neighbor and they didn't do shit about that. Go look at the problem in the UK with grooming gangs.

You're worried about what ifs in a video game when there's more important shit actually going on in the world and parents are effing clueless because they can't be arsed to supervise their kids. And social media is more dangerous to this than the game is.

You're singling out a problem that's really tiny in the grand scheme of things, and even if they made it fully against terms of service, who's going to report? Just listing 18+ isn't enough for a ban. And if you have access to someone's private chat, that means you're a guilty participant.

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Originally Posted by Rabbid

To purge ERP from this game, they must do this:

1. Stop adding lingerie to the game, there is no need for underwear and skimpy nightwear.
2. Rework 2B leggings and boots or delete them altogether.
3. Stop adding mini/micro skirts, and tight high boots.
4. Delete the Dance Pole furniture.
5. On top of all of this, Ban all Mods. Let's face the truth Mods are one of the main reasons why these people ERP.

This is obviously never going to happen because sex sells and they know that.

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I was already laughing at the absurdity of this before I got to number 5 and... sweet sweet summer child you are way too sheltered if you think Mods are the main reason people ERP. There are huge ERP communities in almost all MMOs, WoW having an entire server that has for years been known as the ERP server, though mostly contained to a single location which just so happens to be the starting zone for one of the races. You know what they don't have? Nude mods. Blizzard nuked those via a check sum system iirc, hasn't impacted ERP there one little bit.

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Originally Posted by Rolder50

They'd lose a sizable chunk of their subscribers. Not a good idea if they like money. Which SE does.

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I'd be fine with that. Go ahead and ban every single erp cafe spam. Perma Ban that shit until it's kept in the dark again. They used to ban it until the Devs who have never once ever logged into any world outside JP because the Japanese fundamentally don't care about anything that happens outside their borders.

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Originally Posted by Imora

And who's reporting to law enforcement whatnow?

"yes, hello, officer, I'd like to report a party listing in a video game that's claiming to be 18+... What's that? Why are you laughing??"

My experience, cops won't do shit. My nephew was being molested by a neighbor and they didn't do shit about that. Go look at the problem in the UK with grooming gangs.

You're worried about what ifs in a video game when there's more important shit actually going on in the world and parents are effing clueless because they can't be arsed to supervise their kids. And social media is more dangerous to this than the game is.

You're singling out a problem that's really tiny in the grand scheme of things, and even if they made it fully against terms of service, who's going to report? Just listing 18+ isn't enough for a ban. And if you have access to someone's private chat, that means you're a guilty participant.

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Yeah people have a really lofty idea over what's punishable or not, or what law enforcement cares about. They're generally just there to come by and clean up a mess after things have already spiraled out of control and even then they're bogged down with cases they need to do.

I don’t see why anyone should care what two players decide to do in a private game setting as long as it’s safe, consentful, and legal. Advertising related events shouldn’t be a big deal either; it’s simply spreading news about them, neither mandating that you attend them nor offering example lines of any roleplay that may occur, so if you’re bothered by roleplay and the like, just ignore it and don’t be bothered that it exists.

Now public roleplaying in Limsa Lominsa on the other hand is different, although most of the time I’m there, people just annoyingly spam laughs.

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sweet sweet summer child you are way too sheltered if you think Mods are the main reason people ERP.

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When I read that, I had to take a snap to share. Those gosh darn mods are TOO SEXY :p

At first I was in the... Not my jam do whatever you want.

But in the first couple of pages I saw some REALLY questionable answers...

Now I believe it should be under some sort of surveillance or something...

Damn what the f did I read that was borderline grooming justification

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Originally Posted by magitekLuna

Why? First time you find out teens some times as young as 12 have sex? Not a question if good or bad just life. If you never have it do not mean no one have.the problem starts when it's a teen girl and a 20+ male.

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So it's fine if it's a teen male and an adult woman?

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At first I was in the... Not my jam do whatever you want.

But in the first couple of pages I saw some REALLY questionable answers...

Now I believe it should be under some sort of surveillance or something...

Damn what the f did I read that was borderline grooming justification

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So it's fine if it's a teen male and an adult woman?

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When kids were kids
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Originally Posted by Kuritzkale

It's the catgirls (although generally these people tend to play au-ra from what I've seen...) and the general anime-adjacent aesthetic. We get the worst of the anime crowd, the MMO crowd, AND the general casual gamer crowd. It's like you're mixing a big soup of sexual repression and low social skills with a lot of self righteousness thrown in. It's why I love the community (because it is, undeniably, really fucking funny) but also why it's insufferable

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Lurking in some Discords of clubs that I am in, there's definitely some "performers" which are Miqo'te, but the NSFW channels are stuffed full of female Xaela Au Ras and female Viera, with a smattering of male/female Miqo'te and male Au Ra (they're never Raen!). Occasional male Viera and Hyurs. Never seen a Lalafell in a compromising position which I'm thankful for.

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Lurking in some Discords of clubs that I am in, there's definitely some "performers" which are Miqo'te, but the NSFW channels are stuffed full of female Xaela Au Ras and female Viera, with a smattering of male/female Miqo'te and male Au Ra (they're never Raen!). Occasional male Viera and Hyurs. Never seen a Lalafell in a compromising position which I'm thankful for.

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Lalafell are always the club owners / pimps. It's a massive conspiracy. The Lalafell own and run everything!

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Originally Posted by DatPotato

At first I was in the... Not my jam do whatever you want.

But in the first couple of pages I saw some REALLY questionable answers...

Now I believe it should be under some sort of surveillance or something...

Damn what the f did I read that was borderline grooming justification

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How would they put ERP under surveillance though, is big daddy SE gonna send out undercover mods to RP venues to see if they can hire an escort? lol. Most known escort clubs will not have ERP services on their carrd, only on their discord.

And although this is in no way justifying it, if a teen wants to go cyber, they will go cyber, same way if they want to go look at porn. It doesn't make it right of course -- most venues operate on a level of trust that you are being honest with your age so in a lot of ways it really fucks with everyone involved. I do think at least some try to vet the people they do ERP with with a preliminary conversation, but for the most part they have no way of knowing unless the teen is well.. acting like a teen. I personally do not RP with anyone unless I can be confident that they are an adult lol

source: was a nerdy teen who played plenty of MMOs

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Lurking in some Discords of clubs that I am in, there's definitely some "performers" which are Miqo'te, but the NSFW channels are stuffed full of female Xaela Au Ras and female Viera, with a smattering of male/female Miqo'te and male Au Ra (they're never Raen!). Occasional male Viera and Hyurs. Never seen a Lalafell in a compromising position which I'm thankful for.

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Yooo... are you gonna get me in those discord orrrrr

I will never understand the whole premise of erp. If you are that in the mood there are websites that can solve your issue not a video game.

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I will never understand the whole premise of erp. If you are that in the mood there are websites that can solve your issue not a video game.

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It's a more personal experience compared to just watching some random girl strip on her webcam to pay her rent.

Some people are still too paranoid because of covid to try to pursue real life partners again (I don't blame them because I literally got omicron by going out for a cup of coffee not long ago) so this is an alternative.

There are more reasons than you might think.

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Originally Posted by LianaThorne

Dropping by to tell people in here to check their kids search history because odds are you're already too late on keeping them protected from sexual things.

Time to realize this isn't the 80s or 90s anymore and kids are exposed to sexual content on the regular via YouTube and other platforms.

Instead of trying to stop places from having sexual content, do your job as a parent and put up parental blocks on websites. Install a keylogger on your kids computer and check it every week or two to see what they're typing to people or in their search bar. If you're that concerned about it, take the steps needed to keep your kids away from stuff you don't want them to see.

It is not our job to babysit your kids. It is not Square's job to babysit your kids. That's YOUR job.

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You should not stalk your child. Putting up a personal surveilance state in your home is not going to make you child trust you.

The way they decided to handle it was:

- if two (or more?) people are in an isolated place, without others watching what they are doing, then "it's ok".

- making ERP in public (orgies?) or publishing/displaying in public altered contents of game folders is a violation of the Terms of Service. (well, technicaly, using altered content even for isolated acts are violations as well, but since no one is watching - beside God? - it's ok xD ).

So, this kind of "problem" is already known and "solved".

However, there would be more respect for those who do not like this type of content. I know parents who play with their kids or with family members watching. And streamers that go live without knowing anything about it beforehand... It would be very strange for them to see this type of content and it damages the image of the company that provides the game if they watch "porn" in a T rated game.

Public ERP reporting mechanisms should be accessible to anyone who needs or wants to protect themselves from this type of content.

But, outright banning the act itself is a bit contrary to what some are looking for in this game. There are tastes for everything, but everyone (both in favor and against ERP) should be respected and the rules to protect both of them should be clear and with easy to use repoting system for the people not respecting the limits.

We just need a better reporting system and clearer rules. Not to get rid of anyone based only on tastes...

But, as always, this is just an opinion :)

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You should not stalk your child. Putting up a personal surveilance state in your home is not going to make you child trust you.

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It's not stalking to make sure your child is being safe online and not engaging with those who would cause them harm. If your child is afraid of being monitored until they're of an age they can appropriately make decisions, probably means they're doing something wrong already.

But hey, if you'd rather your kid run wild online that's not my problem either. Just don't really get room to complain about them being around sexual influences at the same time.

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Originally Posted by theCalina

This is the biggest 'F Dem Kids' meme energy I've seen on here.
I love it.

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im actrually sick of my life being ruined and my own freedom being made to only lock away with in my house while they shove their kids every where including on the internet and online stuff...

Its time we start a war against this culture that kneels and worships kids like they some kind divine entity its time to start a war and make this world how it was meant to be like the animals we relly are.

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Originally Posted by Jagick

Lalafell are always the club owners / pimps. It's a massive conspiracy. The Lalafell own and run everything!

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Now this is the kind of lore I can get behind. Finally, the Peaky Blinder Lala gang I've wanted to see XD

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It's not stalking to make sure your child is being safe online and not engaging with those who would cause them harm. If your child is afraid of being monitored until they're of an age they can appropriately make decisions, probably means they're doing something wrong already.

But hey, if you'd rather your kid run wild online that's not my problem either. Just don't really get room to complain about them being around sexual influences at the same time.

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If your child is afraid of telling you what they do, then they're not the one who fucked up.

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Originally Posted by CaptainCoral

im actrually sick of my life being ruined and my own freedom being made to only lock away with in my house while they shoe their kids every where including on the internet and online stuff...

Its time we start a war against this culture that kneels and worships kids like they some kind divine entity its time to start a war and make this world how it was meant to be like the animals we relly are.

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Whoa. If you were trying to one up ur energy, you win.

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Originally Posted by Saraide

You should not stalk your child. Putting up a personal surveilance state in your home is not going to make you child trust you.

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there's a big difference between "stalking" your child, and taking responsibility and taking care of your child

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So? Your point is that because the game references rape, it's ok to virtually molest a 13yo? wow

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And to think I didn't see that silly answer. I won't dwell on it any more than necessary - you know very well how limited it is.

Anyway: what I was trying to say, all lame interpretation aside, is that your "the game is primarily aimed at a young audience" argument is wrong. FFXIV is meant to be open to that type of audience, but it's also aimed at a more mature audience. This is also announced in the warnings given at the beginning of the game.

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im actrually sick of my life being ruined and my own freedom being made to only lock away with in my house while they shove their kids every where including on the internet and online stuff...

Its time we start a war against this culture that kneels and worships kids like they some kind divine entity its time to start a war and make this world how it was meant to be like the animals we relly are.

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We could make kids of our own and raise them properly. wink wink

I think I shall pass on that particular offer!

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If your child is afraid of telling you what they do, then they're not the one who fucked up.

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I have no idea what this has to do with taking responsibility for your kids internet habits. Just comes down to:

- If you don't want your kid around sexual stuff then put up parental blocks.

- If you don't want to or don't care enough to then you don't really have room to demand the internet babysit your child for you. That should be your job as a parent to establish rules in your household.

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I have no idea what this has to do with taking responsibility for your kids internet habits. Just comes down to:

- If you don't want your kid around sexual stuff then put up parental blocks.

- If you don't want to or don't care enough to then you don't really have room to demand the internet babysit your child for you. That should be your job as a parent to establish rules in your household.

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Perhaps it would be possible to discuss this with a minimum of nuance?

Parents cannot monitor everything, and it is normal to expect a minimum of decency from the adult population when it comes to children (and therefore to members of society who are still fragile). It's not up to the internet to babysit your child; but it is up to the internet to report embarrassing behaviour. In exactly the same way that if a child gets lost in the street, adults will be expected to take care of them so that nothing happens to them.

And at the same time, one cannot expect an entire medium to be calibrated entirely around the child, knowing that a large proportion of its audience has come of age. Vigilance without censorship, in short. And above all, no puritanical drifts, where everything should be washed, smoothed and polished to be able to welcome the young public.

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Perhaps it would be possible to discuss this with a minimum of nuance?

Parents cannot monitor everything, and it is normal to expect a minimum of decency from the adult population when it comes to children (and therefore to members of society who are still fragile). It's not up to the internet to babysit your child; but it is up to the internet to report embarrassing behaviour. In exactly the same way that if a child gets lost in the street, adults will be expected to take care of them so that nothing happens to them.

And at the same time, one cannot expect an entire medium to be calibrated entirely around the child, knowing that a large proportion of its audience has come of age. Vigilance without censorship, in short. And above all, no puritanical drifts, where everything should be washed, smoothed and polished to be able to welcome the young public.

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That's all valid. My only point is that if you, as a parent, want to do nothing to educate your kid online and expect the internet to 100% always act appropriately and take your specific child in mind when interacting with others, you're delusional.

Which is how I feel some people in this thread and in previous threads on this topic view the situation.

I've said from the start it's a two way street: adults to avoid engaging with minors and parents to educate their kids on how to stay safe.

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I have no idea what this has to do with taking responsibility for your kids internet habits. Just comes down to:

- If you don't want your kid around sexual stuff then put up parental blocks.

- If you don't want to or don't care enough to then you don't really have room to demand the internet babysit your child for you. That should be your job as a parent to establish rules in your household.

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Established rules are good but they have to respect the child as individual who also has a right to privacy which you are extremely violating with installing a keylogger like you suggested earlier. This isnt about caring or not, this is about forcing your child into a surveilance state or being there for them as person of trust and taking a healthy interest in what they are doing in their free time while also respecting boundries. If you dont respect their boundries, what makes you think they will respect the boundries of others?

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Established rules are good but they have to respect the child as individual who also has a right to privacy which you are extremely violating with installing a keylogger like you suggested earlier. This isnt about caring or not, this is about forcing your child into a surveilance state or being there for them as person of trust and taking a healthy interest in what they are doing in their free time while also respecting boundries. If you dont respect their boundries, what makes you think they will respect the boundries of others?

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When you're under the age of 18, no you don't really. You can have privacy but your parents also have the right to know what you're doing under their roof. This is probably just going to be something we disagree on, this is what I experienced by my own parents growing up and I don't fault them for it. So, that's the last I'm going to speak on this particular point as it's just going to be a brick wall argument.

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When you're under the age of 18, no you don't really. You can have privacy but your parents also have the right to know what you're doing under their roof. This is probably just going to be something we disagree on, this is what I experienced by my own parents growing up and I don't fault them for it. So, that's the last I'm going to speak on this particular point as it's just going to be a brick wall argument.

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I am not surprised in the slightest your parents have done this to you.

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That's all valid. My only point is that if you, as a parent, want to do nothing to educate your kid online and expect the internet to 100% always act appropriately and take your specific child in mind when interacting with others, you're delusional.

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And I fully agree with your last point.

As an aside, regarding child protection in general: the more I read about this topic, the more I am convinced that wanting to erase ERP under the pretext of protecting children is a bad idea. Certainly well-intentioned (or a troll here, but it doesn't matter); but it risks doing more harm than good.

The aggressive ERP has one advantage: it is visible. Thus making it possible for a third party to intervene. Banning it altogether would not make it go away (... If there is one thing that is a cliché for the human species, it is that we always manage to introduce sex, whatever the content). On the other hand, it might make it transition faster in individual homes - or worse, on Discord, where SE has no authority.

And there, good luck protecting the child from these abuses. Excessive puritanism generally results in the comfort of those who feel assaulted by practices deemed deviant - since they can no longer see them. But rarely does it result in effective protection for those affected by the problem.

One cannot regulate a practice that has been forced underground.

ERP is cringe

Reading the wiki article "Think of the children" drags up a good point. Protecting children is always an important thing to do, but the question is how, which the article points out.

Child Rights. The appropriate protection is to ensure that children have and keep their rights as individuals, the right to no be used as free, excessive labour or enslaved, the right of bodily autonomy and to not be abused, the rights to getting education and information.

The protection some have brought up here is protection already covered in those rights, so what they are inadvertently advocating for is not the extension of children rights but rather the deprivation of everyone else's rights.

Also, let's replace the topic of protecting children, and rather protect women (not by giving them or anyone else rights) and see how that goes. To protect women, they have to covered up and/or separated from males or they run the risk of being abused, they cannot watch/participate in male activities or their purity will be corrupted...

It ends up being degrading and objectifying for well, everyone and does anything but protect.

Advocate for Rights. Rights that can't be used to infringe on others rights and don't rely on moral manipulation.

i like how u can tell who erps in this thread

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i like how u can tell who erps in this thread

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I assume your knowledge on this comes from personal experience.

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Established rules are good but they have to respect the child as individual who also has a right to privacy which you are extremely violating with installing a keylogger like you suggested earlier. This isnt about caring or not, this is about forcing your child into a surveilance state or being there for them as person of trust and taking a healthy interest in what they are doing in their free time while also respecting boundries. If you dont respect their boundries, what makes you think they will respect the boundries of others?

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The internet is not something to blindly trust a kid with. Whether it's youtube, social media, or online video games. It's all well and good to "treat them as individuals with respect" but one has to remember kids are dumb and perhaps more dangerously where the internet is concerned, experimental.

Not everything can be monitored, true, but internet history, account history, account passwords, and parental controls should all be available to and used by a parent.

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Established rules are good but they have to respect the child as individual who also has a right to privacy which you are extremely violating with installing a keylogger like you suggested earlier. This isnt about caring or not, this is about forcing your child into a surveilance state or being there for them as person of trust and taking a healthy interest in what they are doing in their free time while also respecting boundries. If you dont respect their boundries, what makes you think they will respect the boundries of others?

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This is right, children DO have a right to privacy, but that privacy doesn't need to include things like the internet. If they want privacy, they can go into their room and be in private. If they want to use the internet, it's a shared computer in a shared location.

There is some nuance here and there's a way to handle it without putting up cameras in the child's room and having an "always open door" policy.

Once they're in high school they can have access to a computer in their room and hopefully they understand the dangers of online predators.