The Steam version only officially supports Windows so using macOS/Linux via WINE/Proton is entirely your own choice. Beyond that, it seems like they might eventually be doing more with their Steam release but they should really have dropped the entire set of changes at the same time and not slowly integrated them. There's plenty of online games which feature their own accounts but otherwise use the entire Steam stack (CDNs for game files etc) but Square Enix basically use none of it right now. Realistically they should be using all of it though, it's a much better UX that way rather than this current launcher-in-launcher situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arccharger
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03-09-2022, 03:04 AMJohners
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03-09-2022, 03:08 AMArccharger
The game doesn't need a launcher, that is steam. But thats not what this update does. All this does is add a second layer of fluff between users and actually playing the game.
I agree that Linux support isn't a given. But this change affects linux users in a negative way when this update doesn't actually add anything beneficial. It would genuinely be a net positive to revert the launcher ver. -
03-09-2022, 03:12 AMSocram
I already lost an account 4 years ago when I had to left my old non-steam account behind and buy a new one on steam. Yes, I did the opposite, because in my country the subscription on steam is cheaper while SE charges an astronomical price. It was a painfull decision to lose thousands of hours of progress so I fully support the idea of just allowing to have both version on the same account
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03-09-2022, 03:14 AMYoukulmJust wanted to answer your question really quick even though its been answered about 50 times already in this thread ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Johners
A lot of us were gifted the game and weren't given an option.
A lot of us chose Steam 8+ years ago when this wasn't an issue. Like everyone has said, hindsight is basically 20/20. If I had known about these issues on the distant horizon I would have never bought this game on Steam.
We don't expect miracles but that doesn't mean we don't have the right to ask for the option to purchase a PC License. I wont say more because I'll just be repeating things I've already said in this thread time and time again.
So if you're truly curious about our concerns or why we don't like steam, please go back and read the thread.
Edit to add: What I don't understand is everyone coming in here nay-saying rather than supporting their fellow Eorzeans. I really will never understand the level of disparagement on the OF for any suggestions people post, frivolous or not. I really don't feel like what were asking for is so insane that people need to jump on the thread and scream copium.
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03-09-2022, 03:33 AMJohnersVictim blaming? Smug? Holier than thou? I knew exactly what I was getting into when I purchased FFXIV on Steam and the requirements have always been the same. I'll agree on the account system being a bit of a joke but the moment you purchased on Steam and activated on your SE account, that SE account/game license has always existed under your Steam account and thus requires a link and use of Steam to play the game. You're not a victim of anything here, the system is working as intended.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ivtrix
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03-09-2022, 03:42 AMHisShadowX
This thread has been very informative and I was thinking about buying the Steam Version to get a Steamdeck and play this game on it but it seems that would merge my accounts.
I like the fact I can play on my PS4 or PC and all my settings are the same. -
03-09-2022, 03:43 AMYoukulmI wont comment on the other poster attacking you but I will comment on this:Quote:
Originally Posted by Johners
I see your forum account is newer, and I know this is an assumption but I'm going to guess you're a newer player? It's nice you got to sign up for Steam knowing exactly what cards you were being dealt but that isn't the case for those of us that have played since 1.0 and 2.0. I'm sorry if this is difficult for you to understand.
Is there any reason in particular your white-knighting this policy so hard? If you check the forums there are plenty of people ( myself included ) whose accounts are broken and can't login because of this change. I'm genuinely happy if we are in the minority and most people aren't having issues but is it really that difficult to have some empathy or understand why we want to buy a PC License?
I may be wrong but: you wouldn't even be able to buy it for Steam, you'd need to open a brand new SqE account and start a brand new character. So yeah, kinda silly all around for everyone, even PC users.Quote:
Originally Posted by HisShadowX
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03-09-2022, 03:45 AMJinMImagine if SE ever forced their One time password on all non-steam users with no way of opting out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Youkulm
Those people are the ones who would say "Well I always had OTP enabled so i don't get whats the big deal".
I really don't get how people here are ok with having even less control over their accounts.
For example if you always launched FFXIV through the steam launcher and you were not affected by this, you will be if the steam servers ever go offline.
I remember times where the steam servers were down for hours, and with this new change you won't be able to login to FFXIV until the servers go back online.
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03-09-2022, 03:47 AMAvidriaThe requirements have not always been the same. When I bought the game seven years ago I didn't even need to have Steam running at all to launch it. This was also the first multiplayer game I ever bought through Steam, and I'd had zero issues with Steam previously, so had no reason to believe it would become a problem in the future.Quote:
Originally Posted by Johners
All these changes are doing is creating problems that don't need to exist, (allegedly) to solve a problem that, as far as I can tell, didn't need solving. Would love to know what is actually the driver behind these changes because from what I've seen folks saying, it sure doesn't seem to be Steam itself. -
03-09-2022, 03:49 AMYoukulmExactly this. People would lose their minds if they were suddenly forced to use a OTP keychain or app. Yet unhappy Steam users can just go kick rocks according to some of the people in this thread.Quote:
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03-09-2022, 03:53 AMJohnersI'm not nay-saying, it's just the reality of how distributing on Steam and other major platforms actually works. The Steam requirement was always there from day one, it's not them adding DRM after the fact. An actual complaint would be them migrating the entire game from the standalone launcher to Steam or implementing an anti-cheat system like Easy Anti Cheat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Youkulm
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03-09-2022, 03:54 AMHisShadowXI am over on the Steam forums right now and people are upset basically the update has now locked out all Linux users and they can't play anymore. Basically if you were planning on playing on the Steamdeck this game no longer will work on it. I know Gabe and his son play this game so hopefully there will be a fixQuote:
Originally Posted by Youkulm
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03-09-2022, 03:55 AMMesarthim
As a steam user with zero issues (since 3.2) I have to ask one question specifically while ignoring every other complaint because I'm not going to touch this otherwise:
What kind of issues are you mentioning about steam downtime being a problem? I've been a steam user since 3.2 and not once have I been impaired from being able to play or login. I know steam can have maintenances on Tuesday but other than that I'm drawing a blank on this particular complaint. -
03-09-2022, 03:58 AMYoukulmMight be more of an issue now that you're required to login through steam, but we don't know. There has been zero transparency with the dev team on this roll out. Guess we'll find out if Steam has any downtime in the future but AFAIK it rarely goes down.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mesarthim
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03-09-2022, 04:02 AMXaruko_Nexume
Raise of a hand here, PLEASE LET US BUY THE STAND ALONE VERSION
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03-09-2022, 04:09 AMNevrastCrescentI can't even link my account with Steam
An error shows up
Christ... This is SO frustrating...
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03-09-2022, 04:32 AMSieyaM
I bought the game on Steam because at the time it seemed convenient, I played other games from Steam and I wanted to keep everything together on one nice little platform. I haven't had any real issues with playing the steam version other than being locked into buying expansions from Steam. Unless they have changed it, when you buy the steam version only CD keys from steam will register correctly for future expansions, it is why I had to buy HW twice because I originally bought it from the SE store and when it went live my CD key did not work for my account. From what I understand Steam is unusually restrictive in that even if you buy Keys for other platforms your account will not transfer, where it seems that PS and PC seem to be able to move back and forth freely as long as you have the appropriate keys.
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03-09-2022, 04:39 AMAvidriaThe requirement to launch the game through Steam was not there from day one. Until their last update - I think in 2017? I didn't even need to have Steam installed on my computer to download, launch, and play FFXIV. The only steam requirement I ever had to deal with was buying all expansions through Steam, but I also started playing within the first patch of Heavensward. I didn't use steam to play the game at all before they decided to make it a requirement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Johners
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03-09-2022, 04:46 AMMintnHoneySpeaking as one of those players who's been around for a long time, no, it actually was not, even when I joined, which was not from day 1. In fact, there are a lot of games that don't require you to launch the game directly from steam in order to access and play them. That's not a big secret.Quote:
Originally Posted by Johners
You're being called a "nay-sayer," "victim blamer," and regarded as acting "holier than thou" because you're being dismissive of an issue that was created (because it has not always been an issue) specifically in relation to a platform while actively trying to tell people that they can't ask for access to an alternative platform because "they should have known better," just like you did (I guess) when you joined (however long ago that was). The ability to change platforms would not affect you in the slightest, and is a valid request. The complaint of being unable to play the game, either due to this issue, or the many others that have come up over the years, is a valid complaint. Your opinion and viewpoint of the "reality of the situation" is noted, if that makes you feel better, but it's too narrow for the broad scope of the situation and doesn't actually address anything other than to try and rub people's noses into something that not everyone could have planned for.
inb4 the "I'm not trying to rub people's noses in" response where you try to justify another round of "but you should have known better." -
03-09-2022, 04:52 AMVarilyon"Buys on a proprietary plattform, where everything since the beginning of said plattform stays there and complains, that this is a prietary plattform."Quote:
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03-09-2022, 04:58 AMYoukulmOh joy, someone else blaming us for not knowing the future when we purchased the game nearly a decade ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by Varilyon
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03-09-2022, 05:03 AMAsheranI see you're new here. The requirements 8 years ago were NOT the same as they are now. There have been several changes made to Steam FFXIV accounts over the past 3 years or so that weren't there when people first bought the game through Steam in ARR and Heavensward, and by now they have max level characters and many hours and several hundred dollars sunk into the game so they have a right to be concerned and speak about the changes. People, ideally, SHOULD have the option to buy and add PC keys to their account the same as they can buy and add Playstation keys or buy and add Mac keys and still be able to use their same characters and items from the past 7+ years, just as adding those other keys to your current account allow you to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Johners
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03-09-2022, 05:08 AMXaruko_NexumeIt wouldn't be a problem if SE entire website and e-commerce system didin't run and look like something from 1998.Quote:
Originally Posted by SieyaM
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03-09-2022, 07:11 AMAxxionjust asking are you using a vpn as well? Im not home and have not tried it yet. i know sometimes using a vpn may cause it.Quote:
Originally Posted by NevrastCrescent
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03-09-2022, 07:25 AMASkellingtonI use a vpn and have a steam account. I had 0 issues setting up my linked account just a major annoyance that once again SE forced me to change my password for something on THEIR END not mine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Axxion
Something else is the culprit.
Also +1 to allowing Steam users to have a PC license even if it means we have to rebuy the game. If PS and PC can use the same account across platforms, so should we. -
03-09-2022, 07:39 AMLindsey_Faelan
Put me down for the : "willing to re-buy the game if it meant I could swap from steam to non-steam" camp please.
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03-09-2022, 08:06 AMKes13ayou CAN buy it, you just cannot transfer your characters.. simple as that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xaruko_Nexume
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03-09-2022, 08:08 AMRonduwilI'm not going to lie. This is the one area of the game where every other MMO out there blows SE away. Why, in this day and age, are we paying for an MMO on a per platform and per account basis rather than exclusively on a per account basis? I should be able to simply buy a FFXIV license and then download it to whatever device I feel like playing on with a single key. It also makes no sense that I still have to manually enter a key to update my account every expansion. I should be able to simply buy the new expansion from my account and have it automatically grant access to the game to the account the I made the purchase from.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tulnekaya
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03-09-2022, 08:16 AMAvidriaYou do realize that every other platform this game is on allows you to share the same account across those multiple platforms right? Like, that is already a feature that playstation and PC players have access to. You can literally buy the game on every other platform and play on whichever one you want except for Steam. I genuinely don't know how else to rephrase this to make it clear what people are asking for here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kes13a
Like, literally, direct quote from SE's website:
This quote's from ARR but there is straight up an option in mog station to add a Mac or Playstation license to my account.Quote:
It is possible to play with the same account on the Windows®, PlayStation®3, and PlayStation®4 platforms. Customers who own a copy of FFXIV for Windows® and wish to use their account on the PlayStation®3 or PlayStation®4 version will need to purchase an additional copy for the desired platform.
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03-09-2022, 08:35 AMForteNightshade... yes, we're well aware of that. Being able to buy it doesn't mean jack if we lose our accounts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kes13a
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03-09-2022, 08:35 AMRansuWhat are you talking about? This isn't a thing at all with other MMO's. If I wanna play ESO on the xbox I have to buy the xbox version and their servers are separated from PC players. Destiny 2 has cross platform saves, but I still have to purchase the game again if I wanted to play on the xbox instead of the PC.Quote:
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What you're complaining about isn't unique to FFXIV and its not on a per account basis. I can log into my same account on my ps5 as I do on my PC. -
03-09-2022, 08:49 AMKyu-Momo
Geez, that change sounds ridiculous. Seems like I dodged a huge bullet by avoiding the steam version...
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03-09-2022, 09:04 AMTaleraRistainThis is splitting hairs and getting into semantics here. You know what's meant is that Steam users cannot invest money in another license on another platform and retain their account and it's rather rude you keep responding this way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kes13a
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03-09-2022, 09:04 AMASkellingtonYes you can for the PC version but not the Steam version. That is what we're asking to change.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ransu
We want our Steam account version of FFXIV to be compatible with the normal non-Steam version of PC FFXIV even if we have to rebuy it and be able to log on to FFXIV through that non-Steam version without losing our current Steam version account. I don't think that can be made more clear. -
03-09-2022, 09:47 AMaltariaanwar
My only post in 5 years... might be my last. Buying the Steam version was the biggest mistake I made with this game. But I could not have foreseen it would become so restrictive and game-breaking as it did. As others stated, you did not previously have to launch through Steam, just buy the Steam keys for new expansions.
Update broke my game, had to wrangle with Steam client to figure out why. No help from Square Enix official sources, had to look into Reddit to figure out how to get past Steam errors.
Was no QA done on this update? Why no official guidance somewhere for a common issue? Now I have to redownload entire game as well after that hassle.
Please let me buy the regular PC client license without losing access to my account. I'll rebuy it.
I have items with are completely unobtainable on new characters (cannot be bought on Mogstation), as well as achievements/titles etc. As it is I might just not renew sub for a long time since it keeps becoming more difficult to just play the game anytime there is a Steam-related XIV update.
It went from completely fine to 'annoying' to be a Steam license owner, to 'disruptive', to now 'game-breaking'. -
03-09-2022, 09:56 AMSyphLuna
I finally made an account on these forums just to upvote this and give negative feedback regarding this login changes. Linking my account to Steam has to be the worst thing I've done since starting on this game (and that includes tanking without stance).
If you don't want to sell us the standalone game at least make it so the steam linking is non-mandatory and reversible.
No, it was my decision to buy through Steam because the sub there through steam wallet is 3x cheaper if you live in a third-world country and play with 200 ping.Quote:
Originally Posted by Varilyon
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03-09-2022, 10:28 AMRaikai
I'm in the bandwagon of people wanting a way to get out of Steam, even if it means buying another license for my account...
I've purchased it a long time ago, but I remember vaguely (being someone that lives in Brazil), Steam was the only option viable to me back then. -
03-09-2022, 02:26 PMJinM
Real shame that SE still does not understand that hurting their customers should never be swept under the rug.
I thought they learned their lesson from 1.0 but the lack of any real response even back in 2017 when they initially tried to restrict steam users suggests otherwise i guess.
I love this game but until SE adds actual beneficial improvements for steam users, or allow us to add a normal windows license to our account, there's no other choice but to raise a stink and review bomb the game on steam.
If the new steam restrictions annoy you as well i bid you to do the same. -
03-09-2022, 02:30 PMhagare
so so glad I didn't know steam when I first played 14.
I hope you guys get your problems fixed and fast -
03-09-2022, 03:10 PMDaisyRyuu
Well guess i wont be logging in and will be un-subbing until they find a way we can play on the PC launcher that isn't through steam.
I refuse to play on console.
I refuse to link my account to steam if i don't want to.
I used steam to launch my game and not to lock my main character behind it.
I have a security token why isn't this enough? o.O
I've had enough of restrictions the past 2 years with whats going on in the world and my one escape from everything is restricted/locked now too!
Just let us not be locked into steam pretty please? ;-;
*inserts take my money gif* and let US use the normal PC version instead T.T