Roleplay Party Finder Account Suspensions

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Originally Posted by armoroad

I've been to the event. Twice. "Escorts" have to be requested and are in private rooms. The event is a fight club.

Why do you care so much about what adults do with other adults in private spaces?

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I don't, but you said its not a brothel. If they sell sex services... its a brothel....

Thats.. what a brothel is. Just because they do other things doesn't negate that lol.

I don't care what people do in their own private spaces, what gets me is people coming here and lying about their venues not having these services and then 2 seconds on google proves it wrong.

The hostility toward roleplayers in this thread is genuinely disgusting.

How hateful and insecure do you have to be to wish ill upon others because they enjoy different parts of the game than you do?

I think PvP is stupid, but I don't go around mocking PvPers or spitefully gloating when they are treated unfairly. I just do my own thing and don't play PvP. Like any decent human being would.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

I don't, but you said its not a brothel. If they sell sex services... its a brothel....

Thats.. what a brothel is. Just because they do other things doesn't negate that lol.

I don't care what people do in their own private spaces, what gets me is people coming here and lying about their venues not having these services and then 2 seconds on google proves it wrong.

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Even if you care about what they offer in private, why is it even relevant? We've been over multiple times that the ToS explicitly permits ERP between consenting adults. The fact it's even being factored in or discussed says some things about where y'all's priorities lie.

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Originally Posted by armoroad

Even if you care about what they offer in private, why is it even relevant? We've been over multiple times that the ToS explicitly permits ERP between consenting adults. The fact it's even being factored in or discussed says some things about where y'all's priorities lie.

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It doesn't permit advertising it. Thats what this is about. No one went to the venue and got report happy after asking for the service. They advertised it in PF....

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

It doesn't permit advertising it. Thats what this is about. No one went to the venue and got report happy after asking for the service. They advertised it in PF....

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Now you're the one lying. The party finder advertisement doesn't give details on escort services. It clearly states upfront that they are 18+ for reasons other than horny RP. And again, GMs have ruled that advertising a venue is permitted in the Party Finder.

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Originally Posted by armoroad

I've been to the event. Twice. "Escorts" have to be requested and are in private rooms. The event is a fight club.

Why do you care so much about what adults do with other adults in private spaces?

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Unfortunately we don't have a complete explanation as SE is weirdly closeted about being explicit in how TOS is being violated.
However, so far as we can tell, it would seem that because these services were listed on their carrd and the carrd was linked in the posting, that seems to have been what triggered the issue.
SE can and does look at third-party tools that people use (Twitch, Twitter, Carrd, etc) to extend moderation, and therefore even though these activities are allowed within the game, they are not allowed to be advertised in the PF.

As for '18+/21+' as a venue type or listing, there are many reasons that adults would not want to roleplay or mingle around minors outside of basic gameplay content, even if the venue is completely safe for work.
I've worked for a number of in-game clubs in my time on this game. None of them have offered ERP as a service, yet all of them have said that they only wish for adults, 18 and over, to attend.

It's definitely defense of the ESRB, since there's many different countries connecting to the servers. US might not care about player run 18+ services, but other countries are far more strict. A company like SE would be out of its mind to let the PF be perceived as flaunting its rating by supporting player led 18+ venues, especially in more hardcore or conservative countries that barely accept online gaming as a part of their reality, and are looking for a way to kick something like FFXIV to the curb.

You can bet it is an ESRB based policy, and that the GM is doing the bidding of their employer.

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Originally Posted by armoroad

I've been to the event. Twice. "Escorts" have to be requested and are in private rooms. The event is a fight club.

Why do you care so much about what adults do with other adults in private spaces?

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My dude. The venue carrd has a picture of a naked guy with a small circular gif covering his butthole.

It's not a place that is even remotely coy about what goes on there.

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Originally Posted by armoroad

Now you're the one lying. The party finder advertisement doesn't give details on escort services. It clearly states upfront that they are 18+ for reasons other than horny RP. And again, GMs have ruled that advertising a venue is permitted in the Party Finder.

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If they have the venue carrd linked in pf, and the carrd details escort services... then by that definition its an advertisement....


Again, I don't have anything against roleplayers, nor do I care what they do. But there's so much masking of the truth in these threads and gaslighting saying SE is out to get EVERY roleplayer, which is insane.

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Originally Posted by Bsrking5

You're not allowed to swear even if you are in your private house and the door is locked.

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according to the ToS its only a problem if someone is there with you, finds it offensive, and reports you.

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Originally Posted by Kes13a

according to the ToS its only a problem if someone is there with you, finds it offensive, and reports you.

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Which is ridiculous. Happened to me when someone found something I said to be offensive despite it is NOT in any definition and there were ten others who found it okay but still I got warned.
ToS is in Karens' favor which shouldn't really be and we should get the ability to object on warnings & bans.
Actually from what I understand. The current support system can allow a GM to ban a couple of people for no particular reason and get out with it as long as they don't get detected/outraged by the community.

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Originally Posted by Kranel_San

Which is ridiculous. Happened to me when someone found something I said to be offensive despite it is NOT in any definition and there were ten others who found it okay but still I got warned.
ToS is in Karens' favor which shouldn't really be and we should get the ability to object on warnings & bans.
Actually from what I understand. The current support system can allow a GM to ban a couple of people for no particular reason and get out with it as long as they don't get detected/outraged by the community.

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What was it you said, exactly, out of curiosity? Paraphrased, I mean, don't exactly recreate a ToS infraction here obviously.

Why am I not surprised the person who posted this is in Balmung ,I guess the solutions is to make Balmung 18+ server :). As it should be.

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Originally Posted by jadeblade

Why am I not surprised the person who posted this is in Balmung ,I guess the solutions is to make Balmung 18+ server :). As it should be.

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90% of the ads for this crap we get on Balmung are from people on Goblin or Zalera.

It seems that this thread is turning into Shout Chat. Beware!

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Originally Posted by Kranel_San

Which is ridiculous. Happened to me when someone found something I said to be offensive despite it is NOT in any definition and there were ten others who found it okay but still I got warned.
ToS is in Karens' favor which shouldn't really be and we should get the ability to object on warnings & bans.
Actually from what I understand. The current support system can allow a GM to ban a couple of people for no particular reason and get out with it as long as they don't get detected/outraged by the community.

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so your position is anyone who might get offended by something you say is a "karen"?

thats actually a rather amusing generalization of people who arent you. the GM's have to follow the rules set out by SE, they dont have free reign to issue bans or warnings. they have guidelines, its not a free for all as you seem to think.

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Originally Posted by Kes13a

the GM's have to follow the rules set out by SE, they dont have free reign to issue bans or warnings. they have guidelines, its not a free for all as you seem to think.

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No offense, but this seems like a super naïve perspective to me! The ToS and the rules are written so that GMs can enforce them in virtually any way they like.

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Originally Posted by Katie_Kitty

No offense, but this seems like a super naïve perspective to me! The ToS and the rules are written so that GMs can enforce them in virtually any way they like.

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no offense but they would have to report suspensions. which can be reviewed by supervisors. its pretty niave to think they can run amok and do whatever they want. could they? certainly. would they be employed for long not likely.

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Originally Posted by Kes13a

no offense but they would have to report suspensions. which can be reviewed by supervisors. its pretty niave to think they can run amok and do whatever they want. could they? certainly. would they be employed for long not likely.

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Square does not care nor is there any reason why square should care. The rules are written specifically so that GMs have the ability to take action as they deem fit. There are no guardrails keeping them on the straight-and-narrow, and nobody is micromanaging their decisions. There's no reason to believe otherwise.

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Originally Posted by Katie_Kitty

Square does not care nor is there any reason why square should care. The rules are written specifically so that GMs have the ability to take action as they deem fit. There are no guardrails keeping them on the straight-and-narrow, and nobody is micromanaging their decisions. There's no reason to believe otherwise.

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plenty of reasons why SE would care, but I think the best position to take it, is we disagree. you are of the opinion that GM's are running amok and powermad with angst against rp'ers and I think there will always have to be oversight. we can likely leave it there. since neither of us have a view on their systems, we will never know.

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Originally Posted by Kes13a

so your position is anyone who might get offended by something you say is a "karen"?

thats actually a rather amusing generalization of people who arent you. the GM's have to follow the rules set out by SE, they dont have free reign to issue bans or warnings. they have guidelines, its not a free for all as you seem to think.

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Well, Imagine someone coming out of nowhere and saying you used an offensive word to a segment of people despite not referring to them at all. You take a defensive approach with them while being polite and they start threatening you. That's pretty much what a Karen is.

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Originally Posted by Coletergeist

Tbf, I was called a "trap" before because I am trans; it can be a rather offensive word. To me, I do find the word to be offensive, since I am not the only trans person I know that's been called a trap before, and I never really hear it being used in a positive manner...so take that as you will.

Whether you said it in a way that was meant that way or not, I'm still not a fan of the word. But to each their own? Idk.

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Originally Posted by kejakalope

You used an anti-trans slur and got dinged for it by a GM, gotcha.

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As of you two. I have never seen it being used before to refer to trans in any possible way, and I said earlier this might be in the grey area to avoid discussing my case in order to avoid discussing my case and focus on the bigger issue, which is cases like these can happen. Misunderstanding from both sides ( Players or GMs ) can happen, and for that, I'd like the support to provide the players with a way to discuss & object in case a misunderstanding happened rather than inflicting a direct penalty and warning to never repeat it, leaving some players in a state of questioning the decision.
I believe we all can agree that some cases ( The RP venue for example ) at the very least would need and benefit from said suggestion, no?

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Originally Posted by Kranel_San

As of you two. I have never seen it being used before to refer to trans in any possible way, and I said earlier this might be in the grey area to avoid discussing my case in order to avoid discussing my case and focus on the bigger issue, which is cases like these can happen. Misunderstanding from both sides ( Players or GMs ) can happen, and for that, I'd like the support to provide the players with a way to discuss & object in case a misunderstanding happened rather than inflicting a direct penalty and warning to never repeat it, leaving some players in a state of questioning the decision.
I believe we all can agree that some cases ( The RP venue for example ) at the very least would need and benefit from said suggestion, no?

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What misunderstanding? Someone asked you to stop, and you didn't because you disagreed that what you were saying is offensive.

The Prohibited Activities document is clear about ERP being defined as something not any more explicit than innuendo based expressions. But their venue carrd has a very porn-like image on it and is advertising straight up prostitution services. It is an open and shut case.

Putting 18+ RP in it, is a direct invitation to get hammered by that, and also you should know better, whatever you do in privatein this game behind shut doors or group chat, is your own business as far as I know.

Saying that the violation and ban was a joke, must be a joke, read the ToS about the things you probably should know is in the grey or prohibited areas, or ask a question.

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Originally Posted by Kranel_San

...That's pretty much what a Karen is....

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Nah, Karens are entitled women who talk down at shop assistants when they don't their way. Usually demanding to speak to the manager, pulling out their phone to film it, then threatening to tell all their friends never to shop there again, before storming out and throwing their vegan double soy pumpkin spice chai latte at the window (or staff).

The entitlement is key. Without the entitlement.. they are not Karens.

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Originally Posted by Kranel_San

Well, Imagine someone coming out of nowhere and saying you used an offensive word to a segment of people despite not referring to them at all. You take a defensive approach with them while being polite and they start threatening you. That's pretty much what a Karen is.





As of you two. I have never seen it being used before to refer to trans in any possible way, and I said earlier this might be in the grey area to avoid discussing my case in order to avoid discussing my case and focus on the bigger issue, which is cases like these can happen. Misunderstanding from both sides ( Players or GMs ) can happen, and for that, I'd like the support to provide the players with a way to discuss & object in case a misunderstanding happened rather than inflicting a direct penalty and warning to never repeat it, leaving some players in a state of questioning the decision.
I believe we all can agree that some cases ( The RP venue for example ) at the very least would need and benefit from said suggestion, no?

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I wasn't exactly trying to say that you meant any harm in any way and understand that it was unintentional on your behalf due to a misunderstanding, I was simply trying to tell you why folks might see the word being offensive and why it may just simply be not a good idea to use it in any way because of that fact. If a majority in the lgbt find a word offensive, maybe it just might be?
Even if used in a different text, it's still offensive. It's the word, not the way you're using the word.
Even if we're simply talking about 'fem boys' and not 'a trans' - as you put it - still offensive.
Just learn from it and move on.

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Originally Posted by Kranel_San

Well, Imagine someone coming out of nowhere and saying you used an offensive word to a segment of people despite not referring to them at all. You take a defensive approach with them while being polite and they start threatening you. That's pretty much what a Karen is.





As of you two. I have never seen it being used before to refer to trans in any possible way, and I said earlier this might be in the grey area to avoid discussing my case in order to avoid discussing my case and focus on the bigger issue, which is cases like these can happen. Misunderstanding from both sides ( Players or GMs ) can happen, and for that, I'd like the support to provide the players with a way to discuss & object in case a misunderstanding happened rather than inflicting a direct penalty and warning to never repeat it, leaving some players in a state of questioning the decision.
I believe we all can agree that some cases ( The RP venue for example ) at the very least would need and benefit from said suggestion, no?

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You know the scene from Clerks 2 where Randall tries to reclaim a racial slur? That's what you're re-enacting right now.

I'm sorry you didn't notice that XIV isn't 4chan but it isn't this community's job to teach you why it's not okay to ironically use hate speech around strangers, or in general really.

18+ activity falls under "don't ask, don't tell". The key take away they quote in TOS examples is: "Will not be considered a violation unless a report is made". It's 100% a violation with this language, but they are not hunting it randomly. They act on report alone.

To save people looking it up, this is the example listed on https://support.na.square-enix.com/f...la=1&kid=68216

https://i.gyazo.com/c1747c8752a4b33b...903918fe75.png

So, it's allowed in private between consenting players, but if one of those two players locked in a room is entrapping you, then you can be sanctioned. Likewise if a third person stumbles in on it, and is offended, then you can be sanctioned.

There is also the third part of it, if you are painting a target on your back with a PF finder ad, then you need to be squeaky clean and not also roleplay, as you can place a bet that someone will report, a GM will be pulling your chatlogs and reading them, and seeing your sex-games.

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Originally Posted by kaynide

They are allowed in your 18+ marked event because the game is, in totality, rated 13+.

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The 'Teen' rating' holds in the United States and other parts of North America. The ESRB holds little sway around the rest of the world. In most of Asia this game is rated 15+, in most of Europe it is rated 16+.

Those ratings give wide latitude to retailers to limit sales of a game, but that's not their main purpose. The game rating system is a Band-Aid that pretends there is no need for policing video games by law because, see, game producers are voluntarily suggesting age ranges for which a game is suitable, despite not knowing anything about your children or what you'd allow them to play. I'm pretty sure that a 10 year old with a credit card can purchase M-rated games via Steam (used as an example only), as there is no way for Steam to verify your age, other than to ask and pretend that's enough.

Please keep this in mind as you attempt arguments using "for the kids".

This game was never designed "for the kids", although SE is perfectly welcome to police their game in any way they choose. There are plenty of other venues, non-RP venues by the way, where interactions between players are both unregulated and possibly dangerous "for the kids".

So what people don't get is the reason WHY SE needs to have such a harsh take on this matter. THE GAME IS NOT ONLY AVAILABLE IN YOUR COUNTRY AND DOESN'T JUST ABIDE TO THE LAW IN SAID COUNTRY WHERE YOU LIVE. It has to be so neutral that it doesn't get into a conflict with laws from all countries in which the game is available.

If you do stuff like ERP sexting and use mods you can get to jail for that in most arabic countries, like literally to jail and not for just 3 silly days.

So i know the last years brought even more brainrot forth but heck it is not hard to understand that SE "has" to take actions against stuff cause if someone makes a fuzz about it in their country worst case the game gets banned or the company gets fined and players lose access to the game and SE obviously their money.

I know it must be a really really weird strange and unimaginable idea that the whole world (and maybe the sun too) doesn't spin around the US (example ofc cuz most western players are from the US obviously) and everyone doesn't just judges after their laws and stuff. But maybe you can scrape the rest of your neurons together to finally understand this totally foreign concept.

And this was just a example, sexting laws and all that stuff is also really strict in many western countries. So heck, keep the partyfinder clean and your pants closed, not that hard. Sometimes i have the feeling second life or such crap would be the better choice for some fellas here.

While I understand SE has to take action against reports because global laws, I don't understand the backlash about 18+ as a tag for player events. It doesn't mean that you need to be ERPing and sexting.

Sometimes it can mean you are engaging in themes that are smoking, drinking, etc. Or you just don't want to interact with minors. I, as a mid-20s person have 18+ only in my search info *because* I have no interest in roleplaying with children. I don't even ERP in the game that often, I just don't want to have extended interactions with minors that can either be taken out of context or just be reported due to the fact that I'm a mid-20s adult and they're still legally a child. That isn't a position that any self-respecting non-predatory adult would want.

People have things listed as 18+ because they don't want to interact with kids at certain events, venues or spaces. Just because teenagers are allowed to play the game doesn't mean they are allowed to interact with every player and in every event. Heavens forbid adults actually want to surround themselves with other people of their relative maturity as opposed to lurking in a group of teenagers. It makes no sense that players are getting banned due to things that are not expressly stated in the TOS and it shouldn't be a bannable offense to limit your venue or player events to people that are actually adults.

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Originally Posted by TosumeTosu

While I understand SE has to take action against reports because global laws, I don't understand the backlash about 18+ as a tag for player events. It doesn't mean that you need to be ERPing and sexting.

Sometimes it can mean you are engaging in themes that are smoking, drinking, etc. Or you just don't want to interact with minors. I, as a mid-20s person have 18+ only in my search info *because* I have no interest in roleplaying with children. I don't even ERP in the game that often, I just don't want to have extended interactions with minors that can either be taken out of context or just be reported due to the fact that I'm a mid-20s adult and they're still legally a child. That isn't a position that any self-respecting non-predatory adult would want.

People have things listed as 18+ because they don't want to interact with kids at certain events, venues or spaces. Just because teenagers are allowed to play the game doesn't mean they are allowed to interact with every player and in every event. Heavens forbid adults actually want to surround themselves with other people of their relative maturity as opposed to lurking in a group of teenagers. It makes no sense that players are getting banned due to things that are not expressly stated in the TOS and it shouldn't be a bannable offense to limit your venue or player events to people that are actually adults.

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18+ leads to ERP (lets not talk around this it's what many venues are about basically) leads to a report in country X where this is illegal leads to backlash from the local government against the company.

Same with all the people who do ERP out there and doesn't care if a minor sits on the other end which is the norm in ERP sadly. In many countries and before their law it doesn't matter that they looked like a adult hot dragon futa. (Just a example not my personal preferences!!! ^.<)

So basically it invites potential trouble which leads to potential loss of moneyzzz for SE. And corporations hate that for obvious reasons, getting banned in a whole country hurts more than banning some players.

Edit: Just to add a warning here, putting 18+ into your bio is neither a valid protection against getting pregnant nor against a minor disguising themselves as well adults. And in many countries you would still be at fault for that. I believe even in the US some states would get you into jail for that if you are unlucky. If you ERP that is, not the 18+. xD

Except even if ERP was completely banned by the TOS, it should be reasonable and responsible that an adult does not want to roleplay, even non-sexually, with someone who is significantly younger than them.

While I can understand SE's actions, I don't understand the logic behind adult players seemingly wanting 18+ tags removed and for adults to not have a desire to interact with someone who is not considered a legal adult. Even with ERP out of the question, it is just strictly SFW or things that do not involve sex stuff. How many adults actually want to have interactions with or roleplay with teenagers in a video game? Is that often not a recipe for disaster when adults seek out interactions with those who are not adults?

Even if the game is allowed to be played by teens, adults within the game are still allowed to mention that they don't want to roleplay or have players under the age of 18 at their player events, venues, FCs, etc. It is called a boundary and for as much as people discuss ERPers not respecting boundaries, there are a lot of non-roleplay/erps that seem to disagree with having a boundary as simple as "Be an adult to be here/interact" because for some reason it immediately means that someone wants ERP as opposed to someone just not being comfortable interacting with someone who may ten years younger than them.

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Originally Posted by TosumeTosu

While I understand SE has to take action against reports because global laws, I don't understand the backlash about 18+ as a tag for player events. It doesn't mean that you need to be ERPing and sexting.

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There will be a subset of players who are full on "sickness must be purged". There is no helping them. They see 18+ as a red flag to a bull. So they clutch their pearls and report, maybe with made up facts, and the GM is required to pull all the chat logs of the person who placed the ad to verify the report.

If this was just drinking RP, or someone wanting a college level of writing skill, then nothing is done and nobody knows. But if the logs over who knows how many last days or weeks had a single trace of sex-games in them, then the person is sanctioned.

This is just the price everyone pays to have such a "nice" community.

Advertising erp services in your ccard with plenty of modded screenshots to boot, just be glad this is as far as things got lmao.

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Originally Posted by TosumeTosu

Except even if ERP was completely banned by the TOS, it should be reasonable and responsible that an adult does not want to roleplay, even non-sexually, with someone who is significantly younger than them.

While I can understand SE's actions, I don't understand the logic behind adult players seemingly wanting 18+ tags removed and for adults to not have a desire to interact with someone who is not considered a legal adult. Even with ERP out of the question, it is just strictly SFW or things that do not involve sex stuff. How many adults actually want to have interactions with or roleplay with teenagers in a video game? Is that often not a recipe for disaster when adults seek out interactions with those who are not adults?

Even if the game is allowed to be played by teens, adults within the game are still allowed to mention that they don't want to roleplay or have players under the age of 18 at their player events, venues, FCs, etc. It is called a boundary and for as much as people discuss ERPers not respecting boundaries, there are a lot of non-roleplay/erps that seem to disagree with having a boundary as simple as "Be an adult to be here/interact" because for some reason it immediately means that someone wants ERP as opposed to someone just not being comfortable interacting with someone who may ten years younger than them.

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Thing is that it really doesn't matter if you put a sign up that says "I really don't like to tumble between the sheets with kids" and then you tumble between the sheets with a minor. (Which happens daily in the game and really often obviously.) 18+ is a empty statement to feel good about yourself in this moment. Something to push potential responsibility away. Just doesn't work that way in many countries.

It's like putting a no entry sign up and then leaving the door open while letting others enter anyways. But hey at least you said they can't enter! Or like being blind and saying "I only date people with green eyes." and then not caring at all if people lie about their eyecolor.

So what is the reason behind having these standards when you don't care at all about keeping them intact? I mean i would really love to believe it's all like you say but i know players betray their standards for convenience everyday. I mean can't do a background check on every random stranger you wanna erp with, right? 18+ statement must be enough. And if they weren't 18+ hey at least it wasn't your fault. Peoples fake standards are just compromised beyond repair at this point.

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Originally Posted by Ranaku

Thing is that it really doesn't matter if you put a sign up that says "I really don't like to tumble between the sheets with kids" and then you tumble between the sheets with a minor. (Which happens daily in the game and really often obviously.) 18+ is a empty statement to feel good about yourself in this moment. Something to push potential responsibility away. Just doesn't work that way in many countries.

It's like putting a no entry sign up and then leaving the door open while letting others enter anyways. But hey at least you said they can't enter! Or like being blind and saying "I only date people with green eyes." and then not caring at all if people lie about their eyecolor.

So what is the reason behind having these standards when you don't care at all about keeping them intact? I mean i would really love to believe it's all like you say but i know players betray their standards for convenience everyday. I mean can't do a background check on every random stranger you wanna erp with, right? 18+ statement must be enough. And if they weren't 18+ hey at least it wasn't your fault. People's fake standards are just compromised beyond repair at this point.

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Even though you can say 18+ is an empty statement, it is still a reasonable boundary that should be respected. You even ignored the fact that I said "even with ERP completely removed and it is completely SFW". Many venues that are 18+ actually end up blacklisting players and blocking them if it is found that they were either lying about their age or are underage. If you actively lie, the fault isn't with the person who very clearly stated a boundary that the liar crossed intentionally. A lot of players I know personally will block underage roleplayers or people who disrespect the "No one under 18" boundary. Just because the people around you don't care doesn't mean that literally, no one does.

Like I said, even if it is perfectly SFW RP that doesn't involve tumbling between the sheets, a majority of adults do not want to write with people who are 10+ years younger than them. Even if it is a completely sfw adventure RP no darker than anything you'd see in the game, I wouldn't want to write that with someone who is nearly 10 years my junior. It isn't a "compromised standard" it is a reasonable boundary.

You'd think that "Even if sex isn't involved, many adults do not want to write with teenagers who may be a decade younger than them." would be a reasonably agreeable statement regardless of whether or not ERP is involved but I suppose not and somehow people manage to take issue with adults wanting to maintain a boundary as opposed to openly or actively seeking out teenagers to RP with.

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Originally Posted by TosumeTosu

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So first, YES THE FAULT IS IN MANY CASES BY THE ADULT PERSON EVEN IF THEY PUT 18+ IN THERE. Just fight yourself through the laws of some countries. xD It's worth it i promise.

Second, you have something called personal responsibility that goes as far as you can yourself go. You can for example ask for some sort of age identification, voice or all that. That is more than people do so they don't completely exhaust their possible options cause it is inconvenient so that makes the person that got tricked also be at fault.

Third, i completely agree with you that a statement is 100% alright even 18+. I mean that could be in a FC ad cause they want an adult environment in their company. The problem with this is not the statement itself, it's that people don't care if their morals and standards get compromised. And this is, as it is at the moment, the standard of the roleplay community.

And this leads to my last point, NO STATEMENT IS BETTER THAN A HOLLOW ONE. Cause a statement without the standard being enforced by yourself leads to unchecked attraction. It's easily explained. Sure you can say 18+ but if you leave it at that and the standard doesn't get enforced a minor will see that for example partyfinder advertisement and this leads to the attraction part, 18+ and forbidden stuff attracts it. Minors fake personal IDs to get into nightclubs. Nightclubs check IDs and sort out often fake ones. If the club would be totally lame (so no 18+ no alcohol etc.) it would lead to less attraction obviously. (From both minors and adults that is.) And this would be good if the club doesn't check IDs cause hey if they don't enforce their stuff at least it is better if they don't attract as much minors.

But that would be a loss for the club cause less customers and the customer itself obviously cause you might never notice that the club exists. That's the reason why clubs check peoples age as best as they are able to.

So if you don't care about enforcing your 18+ rule in the first place it is better to not write it down somewhere cause we all, especially minors, know what 18+ often means. Idk from which universe you come but it must be really fun to have a society where saying "I don't wanna do XYZ" and then doing said thing anyways is normal and cool.

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Originally Posted by Ranaku

So first, YES THE FAULT IS IN MANY CASES BY THE ADULT PERSON EVEN IF THEY PUT 18+ IN THERE. Just fight yourself through the laws of some countries. xD It's worth it i promise.

So if you don't care about enforcing your 18+ rule in the first place it is better to not write it down somewhere cause we all, especially minors, know what 18+ often means.

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1. Do you not know how creepy it is to ask people you just met in-game to send you their ID for an age check or to hop on a voice call with them? Or the fact that some people like a measure of privacy and don't give their discords out. Asking people to share personal or identifiable information about themselves for the purpose of "verification" sounds like a good way for predators or predatory people to have targets. Have you ever considered some people are women and don't wanna get stalked by some obsessively weird dude or get on voice chat with someone they barely know in-game?

2. If an adult either ignores the fact that someone is a minor then yes, they are at fault. However, if someone actively lies about their age whether it is for an RP venue or to get into an FC, that person blatantly disrespected boundaries that were laid out plainly and clearly.

3. Most players are not immortal who just want to go around sexting or corrupting teenage players. Hence why a lot of venues are 18+ and blacklist/block people they find out to be underage. A majority of people already enforce it in a way that is reasonable for what the game allows because pretty creepy for strangers to want to hear your voice to try to verify whether you are an adult or not or request that you send them your ID.

Lastly, it isn't hollow for adults to say that they don't want to be in the company of minors. A majority of players already enforce it by using the in-game measures of blocking/blacklisting people if they lie about their age. If you'd rather adults just hang around teenagers in-game and not even bother to say they want the company of other adults, I mean by all means.

I just personally find it is creepy that some players would rather adults hang out and RP with teenagers who may be upwards of a decade or more younger than them and not have spaces where adults don't have to be in the company of children because apparently adults wanting to hang out with other adults is somehow problematic because children who lie about their age don't listen and/or respect boundaries?

In short, a majority of people already enforce their standard of 18+. If an adult roleplayer doesn't enforce it reasonably by blocking/blacklisting underage players who try to interact with them in a venue, FC, etc. context then it probably is a sign that person is predatory as opposed to thinking it is predatory that adults don't want to be around minors to start with. Even players who do not do erp and stick to sfw stuff enforce or state that they only want to write with other adults because they realize that as a post-college life adult it is pretty creepy to be interacting with someone who could be ten years their junior in a roleplay. It is a power dynamic that a majority of adults on the internet try to avoid engaging in... one of which is by requesting that RP/writing partners are actually adults and not teenagers.

Saying you don't want to be around teenagers/minors should not be a bannable or punishable offense just because people tend to link it with ERP. Maybe they just don't want to be interacting in that way with someone who is barely done with high school. It should be reasonable that an adult doesn't want to do that as opposed to something they get criticized for.

From what I have learned in my travels trying to learn about RP is that it's a boomer thing and anyone younger than 40 isn't allowed.

I wish I were kidding.