How much content was cut for Male Vieras?

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Originally Posted by zeylos

Tbh I dont get why are you angry about mviera being released, you are gonna get your ultimate in 6.1 anyways, we have waited for 2.5 years u can wait for like 9-11 months

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Who says I'm angry? I'm having a giggle over the cut of casual content. It's gonna be more funnier if people went back to catboys again because they can't wear helmets. But please don't make it as if male bunnies are the best thing to ever happen to the game when they didn't even show up in the trailer like the females did. Makes everyone around you cringe.

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Originally Posted by MPK

Clearly this just another fetish race. SE bending the knee to this is disgusting

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So that means you're gonna play a male Viera, too, right?

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Originally Posted by WoW

Who says I'm angry? I'm having a giggle over the cut of casual content. It's gonna be more funnier if people went back to catboys again because they can't wear helmets. But please don't make it as if male bunnies are the best thing to ever happen to the game when they didn't even show up in the trailer like the females did. Makes everyone around you cringe.

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It's easy to say things like that over the anonymity of the internet. For all we know you could very well be seething with wrath and furor but just be lying.

And what casual content was cut? Only thing I see is All Saint's Wake. Hardcore players, like you supposedly, are getting 1 less ultimate however while "casual" players are getting farmville and another PotD in Endwalker.

POTD is hardcore content when you actually play the game for more than leveling.

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Originally Posted by Cithaerias_pyropina

another PotD in Endwalker.

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Was this confirmed? I wasn't able to watch the whole fanfest due to sleep. xD

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Originally Posted by Caitsithhh

Wouldn’t have to cut if you just delivered what’s promised and that’s where we are at. Info dumps and cut content. For what? Another gender of a race that can’t wear helms?

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Not everyone cares about the darn helmets. Personally never wear them on any race. There are plenty of people that play fem Viera no matter the restrictions and there will be plenty playing male Viera as well.
Yes, genderlock IS a big problem that had to be addressed. We are in 2021, we should be way past genderlocking any content.
Personally I can see why they'd want to just finish the race before bringing any updates to it.

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Originally Posted by WoW

Because millions watch it on streams. Nobody cares about watching male bunnies on stream.

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Speak for yourself lol
Your Ultimates are boring. And the way people reacted to devs not releasing new Ultimate content because of the effects the pandemic had on development as a whole disgusts me. Next thing you know people will scream "You released new hairstyle? No, resources should have been put into the Ultimate!". As if people who do this content are somehow superior to other players and have to be a priority.
And if it's casual content that was cut (we don't even know what was actually cut, or if anything was cut at all, this is all just assumptions) then what exactly is there to freak out about? If you only care about Ultimates then what effect does this have on you? lol

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Originally Posted by Amariel34

Was this confirmed? I wasn't able to watch the whole fanfest due to sleep. xD

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VG247 interview back in February. Planned but not totally guaranteed.

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Originally Posted by Cithaerias_pyropina

VG247 interview back in February. Planned but not totally guaranteed.

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Ah okay. Thank you for the info.

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Originally Posted by Provoke

Quit making stupid guitars and watches and make more content.

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SE doesn’t make them, other companies collabed and make them. Try again

It's pretty annoying that the most toxic of threads ALWAYS haunt the top of our forum for long periods of time. :L

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Originally Posted by DamianFatale

It's pretty annoying that the most toxic of threads ALWAYS haunt the top of our forum for long periods of time. :L

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I agree that Male Viera support thread has to go. Now they're complaining about the height of male vieras because they couldn't get their small bunny boys.

A lot and we all know it but won't admit it.

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Originally Posted by Xuled

A lot and we all know it but won't admit it.

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Evidence? None whatsoever. They have been able to pull this off I would wager due to the pandemic. Since they have had more time it seems to me watching the announcement that they were able to add them due to popular demand.

Nice to see the forums are still a heap of toxic waste.

You cannot expect them to ignore Male Viera's and Female Hrothgar's when they very much exist in the Final Fantasy universe. I can understand you wouldn't want to play it but don't go poop on the hardwork of a team who has continued to produce content even with the tedious restrictions this pandemic has unleashed upon them.

for how long you all will fall in this bait topic?
he must be laughing at all of you right now

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Originally Posted by OniKimoto

You cannot expect them to ignore Male Viera's and Female Hrothgar's when they very much exist in the Final Fantasy universe. I can understand you wouldn't want to play it but don't go poop on the hardwork of a team who has continued to produce content even with the tedious restrictions this pandemic has unleashed upon them.

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The pandemic is not a good excuse for bad decisions.

Male Viera didn't come free. Even so, I doubt that they allowed it to impact their expansion budget much. If I were to guess, they were given a little extra to make it happen, largely because there's large sums of money to be made from Fantasia sales. Just like every business on the planet they are financially motivated. lol With how things were worded after the reveal, it sounds like there was a lot of extra effort made by the dev team as well.

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Originally Posted by Cendres

Evidence? None whatsoever. They have been able to pull this off I would wager due to the pandemic. Since they have had more time it seems to me watching the announcement that they were able to add them due to popular demand.

Nice to see the forums are still a heap of toxic waste.

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While we do not have direct evidence but given that last time they mentioned how much of an undertaking it was to add last expansion , and how they were not sure they would ever add another due to how much of a strain it up on the dev team.

I think it is safe to assume cuts were made, it is just a question of what.

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Originally Posted by zeylos

Tbh I dont get why are you angry about mviera being released, you are gonna get your ultimate in 6.1 anyways, we have waited for 2.5 years u can wait for like 9-11 months

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TEA release date: November 12th, 2019
Protected release date of Dragonsong Ultimate: April 2022

Yep. Definitely only a 9-11 month delay. And we'll just conveniently ignore we only had one Ultimate instead of two this expansion. So we technically lost content.

While this was likely a troll post, I would wager you will see more people will make a male Viera than engage in Ultimate content.

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Originally Posted by ForteNightshade

TEA release date: November 12th, 2019
Protected release date of Dragonsong Ultimate: April 2022

Yep. Definitely only a 9-11 month delay. And we'll just conveniently ignore we only had one Ultimate instead of two this expansion. So we technically lost content.

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HC raiders may not be the only losing content, originally they mentioned they would have something to solve the limited outdoor planting back when they show off the 5.0 contents.
It may or may not be the island sanctuary we are getting, the island sanctuary could be an upgraded version of the original one they planned to release in this expansion.
I believe the things that got delayed by male Viera were probably female Viera hairstyle and headgears.
Just be patient, they promised the ultimate will come and it will come sooner or later, it is not like they keep it in the dark or worse, forgotten or ignored...like my precious Korea 2017 dress and the CE box situation for NA now.
Have fun with other contents or take a break to recharge until the content you want drops.

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Originally Posted by DarkDaifuku

HC raiders may not be the only losing content, originally they mentioned they would have something to solve the limited outdoor planting back when they show off the 5.0 contents.
It may or may not be the island sanctuary we are getting, the island sanctuary could be an upgraded version of the original one they planned to release in this expansion.
I believe the things that got delayed by male Viera were probably female Viera hairstyle and headgears.
Just be patient, they promised the ultimate will come and it will come sooner or later, it is not like they keep it in the dark or worse, forgotten or ignored...like my precious Korea 2017 dress and the CE box situation for NA now.
Have fun with other contents or take a break to recharge until the content you want drops.

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Unless we get 3 ultimates this expansion, one definitely did get cut

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Originally Posted by Ayer2015

While this was likely a troll post, I would wager you will see more people will make a male Viera than engage in Ultimate content.

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By that logic, Blue Mage, PvP, Perform, Gpose, Gold Saucer and so forth should all be deleted since you'll definitely see more catgirls than anyone engaging in the aforementioned content.

Simply put, this is a silly argument.

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Originally Posted by DarkDaifuku

HC raiders may not be the only losing content, originally they mentioned they would have something to solve the limited outdoor planting back when they show off the 5.0 contents.
It may or may not be the island sanctuary we are getting, the island sanctuary could be an upgraded version of the original one they planned to release in this expansion.
I believe the things that got delayed by male Viera were probably female Viera hairstyle and headgears.
Just be patient, they promised the ultimate will come and it will come sooner or later, it is not like they keep it in the dark or worse, forgotten or ignored...like my precious Korea 2017 dress and the CE box situation for NA now.
Have fun with other contents or take a break to recharge until the content you want drops.

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Quite possibly. I wasn't really touching on Ultimate specifically nor do I have am opinion on male Viera one way or another. I was mostly pointing out the person whom I quoted was wrong to imply HC raiders only had to wait 9-11 for Ultimate. We'll be waiting over two years.

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Originally Posted by MPK

Unless we get 3 ultimates this expansion, one definitely did get cut

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Not really cut, it will still come eventually, just not as fast.
It is reasonable we got 2 in SB and 1 in ShB even without using the pandemic as a reason.

SB relic was using Eureka, which IIRC composed of many existing models and left out resources that did not get their way into the main game, with only one large scale dungeon BA.

ShB relic are getting three, four large scale dungeon if you consider the savage DR too. We also got unreal, Ishgard restoration which was way more contents than Doma "restoration".

As much as I hate to point fingers at the devs or anyone, but wasn't the department which responsible designed the ultimate also handle BLU?
I would put my money if I have to on BLU was the reason that hindering the development of ultimate than male Viera or Bozja.
Even we filthy casual got 2 less 4 men dungeon than SB.


Unless they promised there would always be 2 ultimate every expansion, otherwise just sit back and relax.
Of course it will be best to have three(one from ShB) ultimate in EW, but they will most likely focus more on the new story after the Zodiack and Hydaelyn arc. It is like lobster changing the shell, if it fails, it will die.

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Originally Posted by ForteNightshade

By that logic, Blue Mage, PvP, Perform, Gpose, Gold Saucer and so forth should all be deleted since you'll definitely see more catgirls than anyone engaging in the aforementioned content.

Simply put, this is a silly argument.



Quite possibly. I wasn't really touching on Ultimate specifically nor do I have am opinion on male Viera one way or another. I was mostly pointing out the person whom I quoted was wrong to imply HC raiders only had to wait 9-11 for Ultimate. We'll be waiting over two years.

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Kind of confusing, but I think he/she meant 9-11 months more.
Certainly that will be a sum of long wait, but I am sure it will be worthy.

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Originally Posted by ForteNightshade

By that logic, Blue Mage, PvP, Perform, Gpose, Gold Saucer and so forth should all be deleted since you'll definitely see more catgirls than anyone engaging in the aforementioned content.

Simply put, this is a silly argument.

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I wouldn't be surprised if PvP in FF14 had a higher engagement rate than Ultimate. The reality is, the teams that would make Viera aren't the same that would be making Ultimate. Frankly it has already been explained why it was delayed until next expansion regardless.

the design team and the battle team are completly different. That's like blaming the music composers for not having Ultimate. Nothing was cut for male viera as it was the design team.

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Originally Posted by Cithaerias_pyropina

It's easy to say things like that over the anonymity of the internet. For all we know you could very well be seething with wrath and furor but just be lying.

And what casual content was cut? Only thing I see is All Saint's Wake. Hardcore players, like you supposedly, are getting 1 less ultimate however while "casual" players are getting farmville and another PotD in Endwalker.

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And it's easy to assume things as long as it makes you feel good, right?! But let's see what casual content got cut. No Saint's wake for 2 years, no Hildibrand, no extra dungeon for even patches, only two zones for the relic. There's probably more stuff that I don't care about to remember. Oh, and no dyeable artifact unless you do extreme trial!

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Originally Posted by Lumivyory

And the way people reacted to devs not releasing new Ultimate content because of the effects the pandemic had on development as a whole disgusts me.

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At least we didn't call the dev team homophobes and sent them death threats like the casuals did over bunny boys! Why aren't you disgusted by that?! Or are you OK with it, since it's content you want?

not derplanders hair thats for sure
Same hair style for two expansions

I'm bookmarking this thread. This much bait will be great in EW when it's time to level fishing again.

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Originally Posted by DarkDaifuku

Unless they promised there would always be 2 ultimate every expansion, otherwise just sit back and relax.

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They did say that they will aim at 2 ultimate per expac back in stormblood, plus iirc they mentioned in previous live letters that they aren't sure if there will even be 2 in endwalker. So imo its fair to say that 5.5 ultimate is cut and not delayed. I really doubt they will go back on their word and make 2 more.

Female Viera had new hairstyles & hats cut most likely for the new female viera which apparently, I'm told are male. Two female viera races with lack of hairstyles & hats

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Originally Posted by Taybat

the design team and the battle team are completly different. That's like blaming the music composers for not having Ultimate. Nothing was cut for male viera as it was the design team.

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OP knows. They're on their usual "casuals ruin hardcore content" trolling spree.

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Originally Posted by MyakotApelsia

They did say that they will aim at 2 ultimate per expac back in stormblood, plus iirc they mentioned in previous live letters that they aren't sure if there will even be 2 in endwalker. So imo its fair to say that 5.5 ultimate is cut and not delayed. I really doubt they will go back on their word and make 2 more.

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The dragon song one? It wasn't cut, it got delayed into EW.
They aimed for 2 every expansion, but the pandemic hits, they lost more than just a few days to set up the work-in-home environment.
And even with their in-home stations set up, they would be no where as powerful as the ones they got in their office, further hindering their work pace.
This is just unexpectant cascaded into a misfortunate result.

Also the didn't ultimate team also picked up BLU after the first two ultimate(correct me on this one if I am wrong), so they got more things to work with beside just two ultimate.

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Originally Posted by DarkDaifuku

The dragon song one? It wasn't cut, it got delayed into EW.
They aimed for 2 every expansion, but the pandemic hits, they lost more than just a few days to set up the work-in-home environment.
And even with their in-home stations set up, they would be no where as powerful as the ones they got in their office, further hindering their work pace.
This is just unexpectant cascaded into a misfortunate result.

Also the didn't ultimate team also picked up BLU after the first two ultimate(correct me on this one if I am wrong), so they got more things to work with beside just two ultimate.

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It counts as "delay" if in the end the resulting amount of content doesn't change.
There are 3 expacs with ultimate, they said that "3 is too much so we will aim for 2". In the end there should be 6 ultimates across stormblood - endwalker in best case.
One was "delayed" until endwalker. For that to really count as "delay", they will have to bring 3 Ultimates in total during endwalker, assuming there are no future expansion. Will they? If they do, then yeah, it's delayed. If not - it's cut.
Sure they can pick up the pace in later expansions, but its too early for that.
Considering that they aren't sure if endwalker will even *have* second ultimate, i lean towards shb having ultimate cut.

And yeah, they went blue mage after second ultimate, but that ties into "3 Ultimates is too much".

I'm not blaming them, covid and all, but as of now i feel like it's kinda incorrect to call that "delay" imo.

uhm there like 2-3 expansions after endwalker if we go by what they said before you'll get your ultimate e-peen

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Originally Posted by WoW

At least we didn't call the dev team homophobes and sent them death threats like the casuals did over bunny boys! Why aren't you disgusted by that?! Or are you OK with it, since it's content you want?

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Do you even have any source to that? Never heard a thing about this, neither here, nor on Twitter. Don't even see how it's in any way connected to homophobia.

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Originally Posted by Lumivyory

Do you even have any source to that? Never heard a thing about this, neither here, nor on Twitter. Don't even see how it's in any way connected to homophobia.

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Things got quite rowdy at the start of the biggest male Viera thread on these forums. People were accusing SE of sexism and such, and even going as far as accusing them of homophobia in a couple cases. Thankfully it didn't last long though but it was ugly. All of those posts could have been removed for all I know. Never bothered to look back. lol WoW's a terrible troll to say the least, but they speak mostly true about how the situation regarding male Viera was handled initially. I don't recall anything about death threats but it wouldn't surprise me either. People do that over the most trivial things on the internet.

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Originally Posted by Lumivyory

Do you even have any source to that? Never heard a thing about this, neither here, nor on Twitter. Don't even see how it's in any way connected to homophobia.

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Many of the posts were purged but they did get a lot of heat and vile things hurled their way.

It is the internet is it really that shocking? Sadly, WoW's take sounds more believable then nothing happened people took in in stride.

I'm pretty sure they put the battle planner to model pants for male viera, the map designer for dungeon was probably working on their emotes, and animators in charge of the bosses skill effects were working on their hairstyles, so I guess we lost like 50 unreal trials.

/sarcasm

Everything you hoped and dreamed of. That's what you lost.

Or you lost nothing.

You'll get your Ultimates and raid gear or whatever in a patch update. Don't have a goobbue shit.