Prepare to have your mind blown

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Originally Posted by LillithaFenimore

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Originally Posted by Arcell

I don't buy the echo theory because, as far as we've seen, you can only use it once at a time. By that I mean, while you are using echo you cannot currently use echo again to go further back. There is no precedent for a multi-level echo existing. Thus we cannot already be using echo as we use it in the current story. Plus it would be pretty lazy and kind of a cop-out. If they were really going to use an echo theory, why even go along with this whole Dalamud bit? Just say, well it was all an echo from a long time ago, the landscape has changed since.

Honestly that theory, if it was right, would kill any motivation I actually have to try and do the events to "stop" Dalamud. I mean if we're using echo then the events set in motion will happen no matter what, we cannot change them. Hate fate, it denies free will.

I'm still going with the, we destroy Dalamud but pieces of it still rain down upon Eorzea which changes the landscape, theory.

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I do agree that we are not in an echo inside an echo....
no echo-ception here

But in FFVIII, didn't Ultemecia use her "echo" to go back into someone else so she could use that person's "Echo" to go even further back?

So what if you use the echo on me to go back into my past and someone in my past also has echo powers which you harness to re-echo?

Thats all foolishness of course, just thought it fit in with the whole "Mind Blown" theme of this thread

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Originally Posted by Dragon

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Are you sure...because I'm seeing it just fine :o

http://boards.420chan.org/jenk/src/1333036066510.jpg

Better?

So Aether = lifestream and Dalamud = meteor?

And "Echo" = Ellone.

Where Laguna is?

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Originally Posted by Jinrya-Geki

So Aether = lifestream and Dalamud = meteor?

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Originally Posted by Aver

And "Echo" = Ellone.

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equals

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Originally Posted by LillithaFenimore

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Actually the plan to bring Dalamud down using Allagan tech was codenamed "Meteor" by the Garleans... That is what was confusing a lot of people

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Originally Posted by LillithaFenimore

Are you sure...because I'm seeing it just fine :o

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Originally Posted by Dragon

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Yea.. it doesn't show up for me in post #159 either
#164 shows the image... #159 does not

What if you use the power of the Echo to teleport Dalamud back in time, to the point where it crashes on the Empire like it says in the storyline?

o.o

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Originally Posted by Dragon

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Yea.. it doesn't show up for me in post #159 either
#164 shows the image... #159 does not

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/using the Echo to see the image which Dragon cannot see hehe :p


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Originally Posted by Altanas

/using the Echo to see the image which Dragon cannot see hehe :p


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Echo says it still doesn't work.

Echo fix coming in v2.0

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Originally Posted by Altanas

Echo fix coming in v2.0

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The echo fix has been delayed until 2.1a

However, once it is implemented, you can use it to go back and make sure the fix is implemented at original release

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Originally Posted by Rydin

The echo fix has been delayed until 2.1a

However, once it is implemented, you can use it to go back and make sure the fix is implemented at original release

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Er. is that a typo? They're not going to fix Echo until 3.1.2c

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Originally Posted by Alerith

What if you use the power of the Echo to teleport Dalamud back in time, to the point where it crashes on the Empire like it says in the storyline?

o.o

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You, sir... win this thread.

I'm just gonna bump this thread since creating another speculation thread would be redundant.

You know in the beginning of all our nation's storylines, that meteor shower?

What if that is Dalamud breaking up, scattering the meteorites that will scare Eorzea?

HURRY!! 2 people need to fuse into Ragnarok and save us from impending doom!

I don't know if this thread has fuel or not anymore, but something interesting pops up in "Don't hate the Messenger".. or the Ul'dah version at least.

When in Mor Dhona clicking on the cart, you get a CS with the Black Wolf - Gaius van Baelsar.

He begins to talk with you about van Darnus and his plan to bring down Dalamud as a part of the codenamed project "Meteor" in an effort to cleanse Eorzea, as he seems to have a sort of god complex.

However, Gaius also hints that Darnus hasn't been acting like himself of late, and that there is far more to the plan than he is telling Gaius, or 'His Radiance' - seems like a trick of sorts to me.

He also states that Dalamud was sent into the stars as a part of Allag's (read: man's) hubris. He also goes on to say that Dalamud is far more than a moon - it's a sin launched into the sky.

I've no doubt in my mind that simply by LOOKING at Dalamud and talking with Gaius that the thing is most-certainly an Allagan creation, and that it's far more than any mere satellite~

To me, it's a prison holding some demonic entity inside.

And to that end, my theory is this: Dalamud won't directly hit Eorzea, because we (the player, Cid, and the Grand Company NPCs) put a stop to the plan.. or try to. Whatever is hidden within Dalamud is brought out, and this demonic force - whatever it is - changes the face of Eorzea forever.

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Originally Posted by Yucie

I don't know if this thread has fuel or not anymore, but something interesting pops up in "Don't hate the Messenger".. or the Ul'dah version at least.

When in Mor Dhona clicking on the cart, you get a CS with the Black Wolf - Gaius van Baelsar.

He begins to talk with you about van Darnus and his plan to bring down Dalamud as a part of the codenamed project "Meteor" in an effort to cleanse Eorzea, as he seems to have a sort of god complex.

However, Gaius also hints that Darnus hasn't been acting like himself of late, and that there is far more to the plan than he is telling Gaius, or 'His Radiance' - seems like a trick of sorts to me.

He also states that Dalamud was sent into the stars as a part of Allag's (read: man's) hubris. He also goes on to say that Dalamud is far more than a moon - it's a sin launched into the sky.

I've no doubt in my mind that simply by LOOKING at Dalamud and talking with Gaius that the thing is most-certainly an Allagan creation, and that it's far more than any mere satellite~

To me, it's a prison holding some demonic entity inside.

And to that end, my theory is this: Dalamud won't directly hit Eorzea, because we (the player, Cid, and the Grand Company NPCs) put a stop to the plan.. or try to. Whatever is hidden within Dalamud is brought out, and this demonic force - whatever it is - changes the face of Eorzea forever.

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Most likely Omega Weapon, though I wouldn't completely rule out Odin yet.

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Originally Posted by Alerith

Right, but I think the debate is whether or not your presence in the echo affects events outside the echo.

Say I use the Echo to view your past, and I eat your cake in the Echo. When we return to normal time, did I really eat your cake, or did you still eat it and events were never changed?

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But that depends, how far in "The Past" are you going in order to eat my cake? D:< I could be having cake the moment you walked in my mog house, and then you could've used the echo to eat it before I even take a bite out of it, and once I kick you out of my past for eating my cake, it'd still be gone.

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Originally Posted by AsterBarnivere

But that depends, how far in "The Past" are you going in order to eat my cake? D:< I could be having cake the moment you walked in my mog house, and then you could've used the echo to eat it before I even take a bite out of it, and once I kick you out of my past for eating my cake, it'd still be gone.

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Wrong.

RNGnomics would decide whether he or you ate the cake.

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Originally Posted by Delsus

Or Dalamud somehow attracts aether

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I don't want to spoil anything for you, but in the later grand company quests they say this directly, as it is why the crystals lose their aspects, and the monsters are larger recently. Are there any others out there who read that?

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Originally Posted by RolandDebreton

Except that according to a few NPCs at this point the Crystal Tower is an already extant location that has been under Mor Dhona for literally ages:

(http://bandofthewhitehawk.enjin.com/...ower-mor-dhona ).

In point of fact it is likely the the entrance will be a place that is visited in an Echo related cutscene by Limsa Lominsans. Or you can just go there if you have the gall. Its a place in Mor Dhona called the Tomb of Xande, http://files.enjin.com.s3.amazonaws....nal/244589.jpg

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The man say the thruth. If you read mnk's npc explanaitaion, the tower actually exist somehow below lake in mor dhona

Yes, but that does not mean Dalamud can't bring it forth from below the lake. I really think this theory is plausible. Just imagine the possibilities of the top floor of the Crystal Tower being Dalamud. Current players will know the entire history of the formation of the Crystal Tower. I think that would be very cool.

"I wonder how this tower got here"

"We made it happen, by stopping the Empire in the 6th Astral Era."

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Originally Posted by Holy_Dragoon

Yes, but that does not mean Dalamud can't bring it forth from below the lake. I really think this theory is plausible. Just imagine the possibilities of the top floor of the Crystal Tower being Dalamud. Current players will know the entire history of the formation of the Crystal Tower. I think that would be very cool.

"I wonder how this tower got here"

"We made it happen, by stopping the Empire in the 6th Astral Era."

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Perhaps bringing forth the tower is what stops Dalamud from impact, but the massive amount of Aether radiating between the two rip and shatter the land. causeing wholesale changes from the chaotic fluxuations of aether


Edit: Also if aether is a power of creation, perhaps it can make things grow at astounding speeds.

A final fantasy game with a crystal tower... nah that would never happen...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yvEYKRF5IA

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More like this?

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Originally Posted by auritribe

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Wait...what if...

The moon from Majora's Mask represents Dalamud and the Four Giants represent Goobbues. Skull Kid is Nael Van Darnus and the player is Link.

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Originally Posted by Alerith

Using my epic MSPaint skills, I'm going to illustrate how not only is Dalamud not going to connect, but the Crystal Tower is going to rise from the surface in a land that will be released in 2.0 for all to explore!


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See also: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AB_Laihyg-U
My logic is irrefutable.

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Looking at the new trailer it appears you weren't far off. It looks like the tower comes out from Dalamud and hits the ground though instead of the other way around.

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I could be mistaken though. I can't tell if it's just shooting a lazer or if it's forming the tower.