Using autism and cancer in comments and as a derogatory term...

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Originally Posted by Banriikku

It has nothing to do with "getting offended". Cancer is a serious illness which can kill people in a cruel way. And some people use an Illness as a term for "bad or dumb" people or bad/dumb behavior ? Please do not answer this question. I am afraid of the answer.

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Ok, I'll try to explain this, and I'll use small words to make it easier to understand. Saying "x is cancer" isn't the same as saying "someone with cancer sucks/is bad", it's saying "x sucks like cancer sucks".

I was born with autism. on the internet we been use autism as joke, as for cancer there many thing in are world cause cancer in really life. I often worried about really world push mental illness to be normal people, there seem attempt normalize mental illness and not worried with the struggle that people who are born with mental illness have or attempt push people who have mental illness to do very harmful stuff to them selves without tried help them.

Stop. Censoring. The internet.

I don't care if people use autism or cancer first off, I never want be victim for my mental illness, I not for censorship it hard to talk about important issue is we censor them all the time. it even more harder if we are will to embrace fantasy over reality ie science and medical on issue. I tell you most mental ill people want be like everyone else, we aren't fond of be called super ability of disability ability

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Originally Posted by Jonnycbad

Stop. Censoring. The internet.

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no. cry about it.

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Originally Posted by LittleChickenNugget

This is why I don't talk much in game. I can only feel like I would be reported left and right for one reason or another.

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Pretty much the reason I'm not saying anything in-game anymore.

What are you guys saying in game that you are worried about that you don’t talk in game anymore? I’ve never been in GM jail or suspended or anything like that, if you treat people with dignity and respect you have nothing to worry about.

The only problem here is you getting hurt over words on the internet.

I can understand why people wouldn't want to use autism as an insult, because people who have autism recognize that autism is part of who they are--and often they embrace it. Autism is just a part of them that makes them unique.

Where as cancer is completely different. I've never met anyone with cancer who actively embraces it or believes it's a part of them that needs to be respected or dignified. Cancer is... well it's cancer. Not even the people with cancer want cancer--so it's an appropriate insult.

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Also, cancer has been commonly found to be caused by toxins in the environment. So if someone says "X gives me cancer." It could literally be true. Smoking gives me cancer. The stress from this guy's dps gives me cancer. The same concept. Which is why it's used.

(Note): no one should be getting stressed over DPS unless they're in a static--in which case just replace them, lol...

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Originally Posted by LittleChickenNugget

This is why I don't talk much in game. I can only feel like I would be reported left and right for one reason or another.

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The only reason you would be worried about getting reported is if you say things that shouldn't be said in the first place. The fact that you know you say things that shouldn't be said and would be derogatory to someone yet still feel the need to say them is shocking.

Props to knowing this and controlling what you say around others I guess. At least you have this much self control.

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Originally Posted by Krojack

The only reason you would be worried about getting reported is if you say things that shouldn't be said in the first place. The fact that you know you say things that shouldn't be said and would be derogatory to someone yet still feel the need to say them is shocking.

Props to knowing this and controlling what you say around others I guess. At least you have this much self control.

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The fact that this thread exists is shocking.

Is humanity overall really so weak minded now that people have breakdowns over things like these?

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Originally Posted by Crystal_Raven

The fact that this thread exists is shocking.

Is humanity overall really so weak minded now that people have breakdowns over things like these?

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Is there some reason some people need to call people names such as "retarded" and so forth?

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Originally Posted by Krojack

Is there some reason some people need to call people names such as "retarded" and so forth?

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Is there some reason people need to care about what a nobody says that's probably on the other side of the planet that will never have any impact on your life?

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Originally Posted by Crystal_Raven

Is there some reason people need to care about what a nobody says that's probably on the other side of the planet that will never have any impact on your life?

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You're not seeing the point here. You're taking someone and labeling them and putting them in with a group of other people who have a mental disability that they were born with and have no way to rectify. You're mocking a group of people who have no control over what happened to them.

I can understand 8 year olds doing this because they don't know better but as a teenager or adult you know better.

Honestly just report and move on, i don't see the point in this thread. You can't censor the internet, and if you try people will always find a way around it.

I think the problem here is that you are taking what people say personally, and i bet the people don't even know you or care.

One example i can think of is someone talking about something and being like "Yeah the eureka grind was so cancer lol."

And then you are sitting there fuming because you took that word to heart.

No one on the internet knows you, or your experiences.

Like i said report or blacklist if you want or you'll just have to grow thicker skin.

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Originally Posted by Krojack

You're not seeing the point here. You're taking someone and labeling them and putting them in with a group of other people who have a mental disability that they were born with and have no way to rectify. You're mocking a group of people who have no control over what happened to them.

I can understand 8 year olds doing this because they don't know better but as a teenager or adult you know better.

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One of my best friends is autistic, he regularly jokes about it.

What is it with you people that are perfectly healthy taking a stand for those that have autism which ironically make jokes about the fact that they have autism?

I've seen far more people that have a twisted morality "take a stand" for people who have autism or cancer or various other diseases, while most of the people I met that actually HAVE that disease...They don't care, they joke about it, they mock it, they don't care if others joke about it.

Can we stop with the Politically Correct fiasco now or do we keep going until everything becomes a safe space where people aren't allowed to say anything for fear of some cupcake somewhere being offended? We're already there to a degree, most of the people I know ingame refuse to use the ingame chat because they don't want to offend someone and get reported for it. So we chill on discord instead.

Is this what you want? People being afraid to speak because everyone gets so incredibly easily offended so we use other platforms and only talk among ourselves? Is this your idea of a healthy community?

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Originally Posted by Crystal_Raven

One of my best friends is autistic, he regularly jokes about it.

What is it with you people that are perfectly healthy taking a stand for those that have autism which ironically make jokes about the fact that they have autism?

I've seen far more people that have a twisted morality "take a stand" for people who have autism or cancer or various other diseases, while most of the people I met that actually HAVE that disease...They don't care, they joke about it, they mock it, they don't care if others joke about it.

Can we stop with the Politically Correct fiasco now or do we keep going until everything becomes a safe space where people aren't allowed to say anything for fear of some cupcake somewhere being offended? We're already there to a degree, most of the people I know ingame refuse to use the ingame chat because they don't want to offend someone and get reported for it. So we chill on discord instead.

Is this what you want? People being afraid to speak because everyone gets so incredibly easily offended so we use other platforms and only talk among ourselves? Is this your idea of a healthy community?

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don't lie to the good people of the OF, you don't have any friends. also, have had cancer, it was not funny. ex has aspergers, also not funny.

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Originally Posted by Crystal_Raven

One of my best friends is autistic, he regularly jokes about it.

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So that makes it ok? That means some random stranger is exactly like your best friend and can joke about it? That's like saying "I can't be racist because I have a friend who is black".

Some might joke about it and others might not like it. You should know that you should error on the side that someone might take offence and just not use derogatory terms around people you don't personally know.

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Originally Posted by Krojack

So that makes it ok? That means some random stranger is exactly like your best friend and can joke about it? That's like saying "I can't be racist because I have a friend who is black".

Some might joke about it and others might not like it. You should know that you should error on the side that someone might take offence and just not use derogatory terms around people you don't personally know.

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Other people's conversations are none of your business, in the first place. If you take offense to what someone says, you have the option to leave. It's your choice to be offended and they certainly aren't attempting to offend you on purpose.

You don't get to police other people's conversations or thoughts.

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Originally Posted by JohnSpawnVFX

Other people's conversations are none of your business, in the first place. If you take offense to what someone says, you have the option to leave. It's your choice to be offended and they certainly aren't attempting to offend you on purpose.

You don't get to police other people's conversations or thoughts.

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If someone calls me a "retard" they are most certainly are attempting to offend me and label me. I have every right to police and report that. That's what I'm referring to here. In short if you call people names and get your account suspended over it, you have no right to be upset over it as you brought it on yourself.

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Originally Posted by JohnSpawnVFX

Other people's conversations are none of your business, in the first place. If you take offense to what someone says, you have the option to leave. It's your choice to be offended and they certainly aren't attempting to offend you on purpose.

You don't get to police other people's conversations or thoughts.

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I mean, once you voice those conversations in a public setting like a chat channel, they're definitely policable. that's almost entirely why they changed the policy however many months ago.

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Originally Posted by Krojack

If someone calls me a "retard" they are most certainly are attempting to offend me and label me. I have every right to police and report that. That's what I'm referring to here. In short if you call people names and get your account suspended over it, you have no right to be upset over it as you brought it on yourself.

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Except no one said anything about directly insulting anyone. It's always been calling something autistic/cancerous.

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Originally Posted by Racen

I mean, once you voice those conversations in a public setting like a chat channel, they're definitely policable. that's almost entirely why they changed the policy however many months ago.

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Which brings back the fact that it's best to stay silent and kill off all communication in the game. When the freedom of the many gets stifled by the feelings of the few.

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Originally Posted by Krojack

So that makes it ok? That means some random stranger is exactly like your best friend and can joke about it? That's like saying "I can't be racist because I have a friend who is black".

Some might joke about it and others might not like it. You should know that you should error on the side that someone might take offence and just not use derogatory terms around people you don't personally know.

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Other conversations aren't your business. If you get offended, then leave. In the majority of cases people aren't trying to offend anyone, if you get offended anyway, you have the option to leave. And yet, seems a lot of FF14 players choose to remain, report and make angry forum rants about how people are so rude my god the humanity is ending because people I'm upset at something someone said! The apocalypse is coming!

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Originally Posted by Racen

I mean, once you voice those conversations in a public setting like a chat channel, they're definitely policable. that's almost entirely why they changed the policy however many months ago.

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Thank you for confirming the best option is to hide the chat when playing FF14 and using other communication platforms to communicate. It's quite sad how the feelings of the few end up causing the many to cut off communication entirely.

At the same time, also thank you for confirming that you believe having a community where the many refuse to communicate with the tools provided by the game because some random might get offended. That's a healthy community.

I hope the sarcasm isn't lost on you.

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Originally Posted by Crystal_Raven

Other conversations aren't your business. If you get offended, then leave. In the majority of cases people aren't trying to offend anyone, if you get offended anyway, you have the option to leave. And yet, seems a lot of FF14 players choose to remain, report and make angry forum rants about how people are so rude my god the humanity is ending because people I'm upset at something someone said! The apocalypse is coming!


Thank you for confirming the best option is to hide the chat when playing FF14 and using other communication platforms to communicate. It's quite sad how the feelings of the few end up causing the many to cut off communication entirely.

At the same time, also thank you for confirming that you believe having a community where the many refuse to communicate with the tools provided by the game because some random might get offended. That's a healthy community.

I hope the sarcasm isn't lost on you.

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if people keep getting offended when you group with them and communicate, maybe the problem isn't the other people, maybe it's you. if anyone is the "few" in this situation, it's people like you. millions of people party up and have wonderful experiences and conversations with others in this game, there's problem a reason you keep having bad experiences with communicating with other people.

Strong victim complex here.

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Originally Posted by Racen

if people keep getting offended when you group with them and communicate, maybe the problem isn't the other people, maybe it's you. if anyone is the "few" in this situation, it's people like you. millions of people party up and have wonderful experiences and conversations with others in this game, there's problem a reason you keep having bad experiences with communicating with other people.

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If I'm talking the same way I've been talking for over 2 years and now suddenly people have an issue with it, maybe the problem isn't me, maybe it's people getting offended with things that aren't offensive.

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Originally Posted by Racen

if people keep getting offended when you group with them and communicate, maybe the problem isn't the other people, maybe it's you. if anyone is the "few" in this situation, it's people like you. millions of people party up and have wonderful experiences and conversations with others in this game, there's problem a reason you keep having bad experiences with communicating with other people.

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The same can be said about someone getting offended by every group they communicate with. And in the situation of using the term cancer, those that are offended are the "few". Need proof? do a simple 100 random roulettes and say "this fight/dungeon is cancerous" and see how many gets offended by the term being used.

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Originally Posted by Racen

if people keep getting offended when you group with them and communicate, maybe the problem isn't the other people, maybe it's you. if anyone is the "few" in this situation, it's people like you. millions of people party up and have wonderful experiences and conversations with others in this game, there's problem a reason you keep having bad experiences with communicating with other people.

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I'm talking the same way I have in every MMO for the past 10 years of playing MMOs...no one's really had a problem with it until now. People are a lot easier to offend nowadays, they get upset at everything. Maybe the problem is that people are overly-sensitive these days.

If you want to see it for yourself, there's a small experiment you can run, in every trial or dungeon you run, at the end say "This boss is cancer", watch how many people get upset by it.

Hint: Very few will. The majority won't really care.

I think people thank to social media have very thin skin if we not will to heard people difference of opinion it hard to deal with it, so even said this to me because I happen be conservative, I like many have hard put up with other people opinion so isn't one side issue or political issue it just people don't learn at same rate or devolope the skills to accept that we aren't all going agree on everything or see eye to eye on everything. it fact of life

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Originally Posted by Krojack

If someone calls me a "retard" they are most certainly are attempting to offend me and label me. I have every right to police and report that. That's what I'm referring to here. In short if you call people names and get your account suspended over it, you have no right to be upset over it as you brought it on yourself.

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That's completely different and you know it.

You are twisting John's words around.

If someone calls you a derogatory name such as "retard" or whatever, then yes they are completely in the wrong and deserve to be reported.

But that isn't what John said at all.

What he said was calling something cancer, such as "This boss is cancer"

Or an example i used earlier in this thread "The Eureka grind is so cancer lol."

You shouldn't get offended, because no one is even trying to attack you or offend you. If you got offended then its because you took the word personally, even when it wasn't used in a insulting way toward you.

A word is a word, the context of which the word is said means everything.

report them mean that they get to you don't let them get to you. brush off your shoulder don't worried what they said they don't know you in really life. trust me I been called the really I keep walking and not care. there say 100 year of internet that go like this. "stick and stone make break my bone but word can never hurt me".

I made it to page 5 before I actually got mad.

"Don't use that word!" "You're not allowed to say that!" "Saying that should be bannable!"

Good thing 90% of this game can be played without talking. Word policing has reached ridiculous levels I never even thought possible, having the internet be accessible by so many was a mistake.

Always keep in mind that talking in game chat is against ToS and you'll never have to deal with people who are report happy over lingo that's been used for over a decade.

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Originally Posted by Vercinotrix

I made it to page 5 before I actually got mad.

"Don't use that word!" "You're not allowed to say that!" "Saying that should be bannable!"

Good thing 90% of this game can be played without talking. Word policing has reached ridiculous levels I never even thought possible, having the internet be accessible by so many was a mistake.

Always keep in mind that talking in game chat is against ToS and you'll never have to deal with people who are report happy over lingo that's been used for over a decade.

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Wait till you reach the page where OP gets called out about calling others morons and when his FC member confronts him and he flees from the thread lol. That's the fun part.

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Originally Posted by Alucard135

Wait till you reach the page where OP gets called out about calling others morons and when his FC member confronts him and he flees from the thread lol. That's the fun part.

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After reading your post i had to look through the thread and see for myself.

He definitely got put on blast and oof i just feel embarrassed.

Its one thing to quietly leave an FC but leaving, switching data centers then taking pod shots at them on the forums is another thing completely.

Policing language isn’t needed, that’s what the blacklist button is for. If you have a problem with it then call them out or block.

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Originally Posted by Wynn_Storm

After reading your post i had to look through the thread and see for myself.

He definitely got put on blast and oof i just feel embarrassed.

Its one thing to quietly leave an FC but leaving, switching data centers then taking pod shots at them on the forums is another thing completely.

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It even got worse. He made another thread mocking that FC member after he left this thread, which got deleted by mods shortly.

And he's now busy trolling other threads and being super obnoxious when someone adresses him

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Originally Posted by JohnSpawnVFX

If I'm talking the same way I've been talking for over 2 years and now suddenly people have an issue with it, maybe the problem isn't me, maybe it's people getting offended with things that aren't offensive.

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Sounds like something someone from the 1960's would say when they use to call a set group of people the "n" word. Times change and what you might call someone today may not be acceptable tomorrow.

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Originally Posted by Krojack

Sounds like something someone from the 1960's would say when they use to call a set group of people the "n" word. Times change and what you might call someone today may not be acceptable tomorrow.

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Another person misconstruing something to twist it around to fit their agenda.

Its no secret that people today are much more sensitive than they used to be.

And really? Comparing what he said to segregation? That's just grasping at straws.

People shouldn't need to censor themselves because other people can't handle it. Especially when the person isn't even insulting that person. They are just indirectly getting offended for no reason.

I just don't understand the argument you are trying to make.

EDIT : Just to be clear there are obvious exceptions, but i guess i feel i should list them since someone my try to misconstrue my words.

If someone is openly being racist, or homophobic or whatever. Even if indirectly, then that is different. But if its something harmless like "That fight was cancer" "This post gave me aids" its just a dark humored joke. And sure not everyone shares the same humor. But that's no reason to get bent out of shape and whine about it. There are many tools to stop you from seeing things you don't like.

Use them.

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Originally Posted by Krojack

Sounds like something someone from the 1960's would say when they use to call a set group of people the "n" word. Times change and what you might call someone today may not be acceptable tomorrow.

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Originally Posted by JohnSpawnVFX

Except no one said anything about directly insulting anyone.

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Times change... in 2 years...