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Originally Posted by Rousseau

It is perhaps worth pointing out that Blizzard has a rule about creating threads to complain about problem players. It is against the TOS, and doing so can get the thread creator banned. I say this because I see mention of such things being allowed by SE on their FFXI forums, which would maybe cut down on the poor behavior...assuming that SE doesn't eventually go the same route as Blizzard and ban naming names.

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Something about this has always bothered me.. I hope SE doesn't allow it on the official forums ( - they have no control over other forums).
I've always seen it as a sort of.. tattle-tale, crying to mommy.. "Waaaaaaaaaaaaah this person was mean to meeee!! Everyone should hate them too!!" If someone's a jerk, fine, let them be a jerk, but there's no reason to sink to their level (or lower) to ruin their reputation. If they're that bad I'm sure they'll do a good job of ruining it on their own.

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Originally Posted by Valmonte

No i do not favor, nor want a Cross server finder simply because i know how it will turn out.

i Want Yoshi to personally use the cross server finder and the current games that use it, and tell me what a fun experience he had being dropped from party when that rare loot dropped, or being ninja'd then that person dropping or AFK gotta walk my dog for 2 hours, and my personal favorite being kicked from what ever instance you were in because Player B still uses Grandpa's dial up.

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Sounds like you never played a mmo with a queue system. Usually works like this, to prevent these types of situations there is always rules in any kind of finder tool for example these are the most commonly used ones.

1. There is no ninjaing everyone gets a fair roll on loot. No player can set loot master / quarter master, a free roll system is used. Most games have restrictions on what people can roll based on their class and if they can use it.

2. You can kick people from the dungeon but it requires a majority vote to kick the person. Voting to kick people can not happen during combat or when there is loot in the treasure pool to be rolled on. Preventing people being kicked by someone because they want a rare item.

3. If someone has to leave or goes afk or is kicked by majority vote because they are causing a problem. The server will replace them with someone else in the queue and you will be on your way. People have to leave all the time for whatever reason but there is always people to replace them so its not that big of a deal.

You can't even leave party/kick anyone in an instance in this game unless you dc. People are trying to hard to justifies.

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Originally Posted by Chardrizard

You can't even leave party/kick anyone in an instance in this game unless you dc. People are trying to hard to justifies.

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I assume that kind of stuff would be fixed in 2.0. Obviously it should be if they doing cross server.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

I assume that kind of stuff would be fixed in 2.0. Obviously it should be if they doing cross server.

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It was intentionally done on the patch where u can auto-join party in an instances if u disconnected from game. Also, i was referring to the guy that were afraid of being kicked from party when loot drops.

@Choyi

"Old man" .. I am an "old lady" too..
It makes me sad to think back on all the amazing adventures I've ever had and realize with today's "rush rush! get the item NOW! No time for anything! Want it handed to me on a silver platter! Oh and I'd like fries with that!" generation, that I'll likely never find true adventure in an MMO ever again.

One can hope though..

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Originally Posted by Nabiri

Something about this has always bothered me.. I hope SE doesn't allow it on the official forums ( - they have no control over other forums).
I've always seen it as a sort of.. tattle-tale, crying to mommy.. "Waaaaaaaaaaaaah this person was mean to meeee!! Everyone should hate them too!!" If someone's a jerk, fine, let them be a jerk, but there's no reason to sink to their level (or lower) to ruin their reputation. If they're that bad I'm sure they'll do a good job of ruining it on their own.

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In sociology, this is considered to be a common and natural group dynamic. People sometimes complain about it, but it's usually because they're scared that they will be the ones to end up getting the short end of the stick (and I do know how that is, yet I still understand why this occurs). And there is the fact that some people actually want to get away with being antisocial. Either way, society has always been about isolating the behaviors that the group finds problematic and using guilt and shame to either scare the offenders away or force them to get in line. It's distinctively human, and it's not going to change any time soon, if ever, especially since it has served humanity so well up to this point.

Also, I still fail to understand why this discussion has turned into a Casual Vs. Hardcore debate. To me, this is all about social engineering. The difficulty of the game doesn't even enter into the equation for me.

Put it simply, if they add this, that will mean, any group can beat x content without coming up with a strategy of some sort. Also, this will lead to conflict in strategies as well. I think x way is better than x way... That party will never get anywhere. Just like how people kill people in ifrit, because they like standing there or over there. Which is fine, because you only need 5 people for ifrit.
Home from work.

No loot obtainable in it, i will welcome it with open arms

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Originally Posted by Rousseau

In sociology, this is considered to be a common and natural group dynamic. People sometimes complain about it, but it's usually because they're scared that they will be the ones to end up getting the short end of the stick (and I do know how that is, yet I still understand why this occurs). And there is the fact that some people actually want to get away with being antisocial. Either way, society has always been about isolating the behaviors that the group finds problematic and using guilt and shame to either scare the offenders away or force them to get in line. It's distinctively human, and it's not going to change any time soon, if ever, especially since it has served humanity so well up to this point.

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I don't expect it to change, but I wouldn't like to see SE support harassment of any kind.
Harassing someone for being a jerk doesn't make it right.
If fan sites allow it.. well that's up to them. Sad if they do. It would be nice to see them steer away from such vicious behaviour.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

Sounds like you never played a mmo with a queue system. Usually works like this, to prevent these types of situations there is always rules in any kind of finder tool for example these are the most commonly used ones.

1. There is no ninjaing everyone gets a fair roll on loot. No player can set loot master / quarter master, a free roll system is used. Most games have restrictions on what people can roll based on their class and if they can use it.

2. You can kick people from the dungeon but it requires a majority vote to kick the person. Voting to kick people can not happen during combat or when there is loot in the treasure pool to be rolled on. Preventing people being kicked by someone because they want a rare item.

3. If someone has to leave or goes afk or is kicked by majority vote because they are causing a problem. The server will replace them with someone else in the queue and you will be on your way. People have to leave all the time for whatever reason but there is always people to replace them so its not that big of a deal.

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No, i obviously haven't so why don't you name these games that use this great system you speak of, i'd very much like to try them out.

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Originally Posted by Valmonte

No, i obviously haven't so why don't you name these games that use this great system you speak of, i'd very much like to try them out.

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WoW has all those features.............

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Originally Posted by Nabiri

I don't expect it to change, but I wouldn't like to see SE support harassment of any kind.
Harassing someone for being a jerk doesn't make it right.
If fan sites allow it.. well that's up to them. Sad if they do. It would be nice to see them steer away from such vicious behaviour.

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I used to be an idealist like you. Then I took an arrow in the knee. (' ~' )

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Originally Posted by Rousseau

I used to be an idealist like you. Then I took an arrow in the knee. (' ~' )

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If by content finder you mean dungeon finder (also cross server nonsense) then I wholeheartedly object:

I am not down with cities in the game turning into online lobbies while you wait for a raid to form for you.
MMOs are large worlds that are meant to be explored and traversed so one can see/find all the beauty within it.

Sitting in town all day while you wait in a dungeon finder to be automatically teamed of with random people from across various servers only to be magically warped into the instance/raid/whatever thus skipping over the entire MMO world is such a stupid concept.

Why in the hell develop an entire world if you are just going to shove a dungeon finder into the game. Might as well give everyone max level(or let them level up in the raids) and delete anything in between large cities other than the dungeons since you are just going to magically appear there anyway.

Ew.

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Originally Posted by Sylvari

WoW has all those features.............

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the last time a played WoW about 5 or so years ago this system did not exist.

besides, one antiquated game that should have died off years ago cant possibly be the only one to use such a great system. there has to be more?

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Originally Posted by Sylvari

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Originally Posted by SirOleas

If by content finder you mean dungeon finder (also cross server nonsense) then I wholeheartedly object:

I am not down with cities in the game turning into online lobbies while you wait for a raid to form for you.
MMOs are large worlds that are meant to be explored and traversed so one can see/find all the beauty within it.

Sitting in town all day while you wait in a dungeon finder to be automatically teamed of with random people from across various servers only to be magically warped into the instance/raid/whatever thus skipping over the entire MMO world is such a stupid concept.

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What is this?

Just because they are gonna implement this doesn't mean people will stop using party search anymore, it doesnt mean people will stop doing shout at your server.

But it is very useful for one of your LS member that happened to be leftover because of 8 person content, they are the one that needs this the most while you and your main LS team tackling the dungeon on the first day patch implemented, but there will always be leftover members that doesn't get picked.

Who gives a flying fck about concept of MMO world when one of your supposedly LS mates, a friend of yours aren't able to go into raid maybe because he was late in patching process and unable to form another parties due to not enough members.

This supposedly old school MMO idea or concept is really starting to annoys me, if community is really important then think again about what i said, because above scenario happens to every single LS.

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Originally Posted by SirOleas

If by content finder you mean dungeon finder (also cross server nonsense) then I wholeheartedly object:

I am not down with cities in the game turning into online lobbies while you wait for a raid to form for you.
MMOs are large worlds that are meant to be explored and traversed so one can see/find all the beauty within it.

Sitting in town all day while you wait in a dungeon finder to be automatically teamed of with random people from across various servers only to be magically warped into the instance/raid/whatever thus skipping over the entire MMO world is such a stupid concept.

Why in the hell develop an entire world if you are just going to shove a dungeon finder into the game. Might as well give everyone max level(or let them level up in the raids) and delete anything in between large cities other than the dungeons since you are just going to magically appear there anyway.

Ew.

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why would you do that? dont you like being spoon fed? dont you like SE's always at the ready to wipe your bottom with silver threaded toilet paper?

i don't know about you but i love all those things. if i had to actually think during a fight "or" think at all, at any given time i might kill of whatever braincells that remain in my......aw who the hell am i kiddin am already as bright as a sack of bricks whats a few more dead going to hurt my inflated oversized Multilingual intolerant spoon fed a$$ ego.

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Originally Posted by Chardrizard

What is this?

Just because they are gonna implement this doesn't mean people will stop using party search anymore, it doesnt mean people will stop doing shout at your server.

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Be honest, if you had the option to click a button and be whisked away into content would you spend time looking for a LS, shouting or using party search?

I mean really be honest.

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Originally Posted by Chardrizard

What is this?

Just because they are gonna implement this doesn't mean people will stop using party search anymore, it doesnt mean people will stop doing shout at your server.

But it is very useful for one of your LS member that happened to be leftover because of 8 person content, they are the one that needs this the most while you and your main LS team tackling the dungeon on the first day patch implemented, but there will always be leftover members that doesn't get picked.

Who gives a flying fck about concept of MMO world when one of your supposedly LS mates, a friend of yours aren't able to go into raid maybe because he was late in patching process and unable to form another parties due to not enough members.

This supposedly old school MMO idea or concept is really starting to annoys me, if community is really important then think again about what i said, because above scenario happens to every single LS.

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What is what?
It's a forum post. The same thing you just posted.
Who gives a flying fuck about the concept of MMO worlds? Let's see....I do....so that must mean other people do...Let's see who else? Uh...I don't know...the developers who spend countless hours creating digital beauty for you and your friend that you chose to leave out of a raid rather than switching off with him??

It's not old school MMO ideas silly, its an MMO, not a chat lobby.

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Originally Posted by SirOleas

If by content finder you mean dungeon finder (also cross server nonsense) then I wholeheartedly object:

I am not down with cities in the game turning into online lobbies while you wait for a raid to form for you.
MMOs are large worlds that are meant to be explored and traversed so one can see/find all the beauty within it.

Sitting in town all day while you wait in a dungeon finder to be automatically teamed of with random people from across various servers only to be magically warped into the instance/raid/whatever thus skipping over the entire MMO world is such a stupid concept.

Why in the hell develop an entire world if you are just going to shove a dungeon finder into the game. Might as well give everyone max level(or let them level up in the raids) and delete anything in between large cities other than the dungeons since you are just going to magically appear there anyway.

Ew.

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What do you think Ul'dah is now? What it brakes down to is a glorified lobby where most of the people gather there maybe sit there and level crafts and watch the shout channel for groups. Be it exp, ifrit or mog fight. Only unless you have correct jobs leveled for the cookie cutter set up people like to use on Ifrit or Mog you aren't going to be able to get in a group. If you do have one of those needed jobs leveled and have a full group you warp out to a crystal which is very close to the battlefield for the fight, there isn't some vast large world your exploring here.

Content finder is a good thing because it lets people play the game, instead of just sitting around in town doing nothing or waiting for hours for a group to form.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

Be honest, if you had the option to click a button and be whisked away into content would you spend time looking for a LS, shouting or using party search?

I mean really be honest.

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Not directed at me but, yes you would still be smart to find a linkshell/company.

Content Finder isn't going to change the fact you still want a core group of friends & players for STRATEGY, SCHEDULING & CONSISTENCY.

Some days you might just want to play on the whim & just do something. You might just want to see new faces & mess around (perhaps on a class you don't normally do events with).

Then when you want to get on & get stuff done, you go with your LS.

tl;dr - Yes, still need Linkshells & Friends


This isn't a lobby MMO, but it practically is already with the way content has been designed & everyone making Ul'dah the main hub.
It's never really had that "open-world" feeling of adventure & progression that we all know. Anima & instant porting everywhere along with copy-paste areas & lack of content has robbed us of it since launch (which 2.0 will hopefully fix).

It's a shame, but everyone is already in town anyway. Making it into the alleged "lobby" everyone is afraid of. Shouting & waiting is the same thing as queueing up & waiting. Shouting just takes longer & "forces" you into the same zone.

tl;dr - Feels like a Hub now. Shouting is almost the same as queueing anyway


If anything we need a dev comment with their conceived plans for this system. Are they going to design it for all content or some? How do they envision the cross-server aspect & what limitations (if any) do they have planned?

It would be much easier to discuss this knowing a bit more about how SE wants to implement it & the future of the designed content that will link to it.

(Community Team, please help us out if you can manage to get any more info!)

tl;dr - It would be nice to have more info. from the devs. Community Team please assist!

EDIT - Zumi beat me to it! ^^

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Originally Posted by Elexia

Be honest, if you had the option to click a button and be whisked away into content would you spend time looking for a LS, shouting or using party search?

I mean really be honest.

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I will always starts from my LS first, I don't really do content with strangers unless it was really needed. (this is a simple logic really, unless you are #foreveralone guy)

Then, queu and shout at the same time if spot needs to be filled, whichever comes faster.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

What do you think Ul'dah is now? What it brakes down to is a glorified lobby where most of the people gather there maybe sit there and level crafts and watch the shout channel for groups. Be it exp, ifrit or mog fight. Only unless you have correct jobs leveled for the cookie cutter set up people like to use on Ifrit or Mog you aren't going to be able to get in a group. If you do have one of those needed jobs leveled and have a full group you warp out to a crystal which is very close to the battlefield for the fight, there isn't some vast large world your exploring here.

Content finder is a good thing because it lets people play the game, instead of just sitting around in town doing nothing or waiting for hours for a group to form.

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The way Ul'Dah is currently is just as Big a problem as what a Content Finder would create. Just because something is already broken doesn't mean you can ignore the problem.

Getting people out of Ul'Dah should be one of this Dev Teams Highest Priorities. Not adding ways to help people stay in one spot.

But like I said previously in this thread. The only thing they need to do to Make Content Finder acceptable is make it so it does not Teleport players directly into the Content.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

Be honest, if you had the option to click a button and be whisked away into content would you spend time looking for a LS, shouting or using party search?

I mean really be honest.

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As I said before when I played WoW I used to ask in Guild chat first get 3-4 people from my guild and then find the rest in dungeon finder. (this was for 5 man content)

Raid stuff I used to do with Guild only because you can't rely on random players in WoW, its not as bad in FFXIV.

I can understand why you have these feelings that its one way or the other as maybe you haven't experienced this kind of system in other games before, but they aren't half as bad as you make out or probably even imagine.

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Originally Posted by Kiote

Getting people out of Ul'Dah should be one of this Dev Teams Highest Priorities. Not adding ways to help people stay in one spot.

But like I said previously in this thread. The only thing they need to do to Make Content Finder acceptable is make it so it does not Teleport players directly into the Content.

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Agree on both counts, sadly it seems SE are determined to make Ul'dah the main hub, they put the Materia Goblin in Thanalan only, Ifrit/Moogle Vendor in Ul'dah only.

I agree that they should make players proceed to a dungeon, the problem is you can't group people unless they are moved to the server that holds that instance.

Maybe there is a way to do this, but the main reason most MMO teleport players in this manner is because there either isn't a way to do it or its very complicated.

Saying that, 2.0 will have zones similar to how FF11 did which are basically large instances so there may be a way to do it.

I'll never understand the attitude of "I don't like it so it shouldn't be in the game".

If it doesn't directly impact you, stop complaining.

Don't like Gobbue mount, or any of the new mounts? Don't use them.
Don't like the ability to teleport from anywhere, and think that teleporting should only be possible from a crystal? Only teleport from a crystal then.
Don't like a content finder function to group people? Don't use it. Continue to make groups using LS members.

Pretty simple.

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Originally Posted by Buuul

Don't like the ability to teleport from anywhere, and think that teleporting should only be possible from a crystal? Only teleport from a crystal then.
Don't like a content finder function to group people? Don't use it. Continue to make groups using LS members.

Pretty simple.

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Problem with this logic is, like anima you'll have to use it even if you don't like or want to use it. Why? Because what if you're that person who dislikes anima and teleportation to everywhere, you get a party invite and decline their teleport offer because you'd rather chocobo/ride your (x millionth cloned chocobo mount) to the party location because of your feelings and then making your party wait probably up to 20 minutes or more?

How likely is it they'll keep you around if they can easily replace you for someone who doesn't feel the same way? The same with content finder, if the majority of the playerbase rather use it, like it or not, you will be using it. Even if you have a choice, the choice is made for you based on what the playerbase does, this happens in every MMORPG.

Don't like PvP? You better hope and pray you never leave the newbie locations or level into auto-PvP range (Usually when you hit level 20+ you can be PK'd or asked/forced into a duel.) So yes it is pretty simple. Depending on what systems they incorporate into XIV, shouting, "linkshell/company only" content would be moot if everyone rather uses the easier option (content finder.)

what she said, and I've said a million times now.
Just like the goobuu "DOn't like it don't get it" well I still ahve to deal with it because its still in the game. I'm also boycotting the goobuu. Just like I'll boycott this, even if it means creating enemies or making people upset.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

Problem with this logic is, like anima you'll have to use it even if you don't like or want to use it. Why? Because what if you're that person who dislikes anima and teleportation to everywhere, you get a party invite and decline their teleport offer because you'd rather chocobo/ride your (x millionth cloned chocobo mount) to the party location because of your feelings and then making your party wait probably up to 20 minutes or more?

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You signed up for a party to experience some sort of game content. If you want to take a 20 minute chocobo ride somewhere, might I suggest doing that anytime you feel like it, when people aren't depending on you.

Seriously, how funny would it have been in FF11 - "Ok, let's do Promyvion - Dem. I'll cast teleport Dem and take us there."

"Naw man, I'm taking a choco from Jeuno. I don't believe in this teleport nonsense. Actually, never mind that. I'm walking!"

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Originally Posted by Elexia

Don't like PvP? You better hope and pray you never leave the newbie locations or level into auto-PvP range (Usually when you hit level 20+ you can be PK'd or asked/forced into a duel.) So yes it is pretty simple. Depending on what systems they incorporate into XIV, shouting, "linkshell/company only" content would be moot if everyone rather uses the easier option (content finder.)

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I'm fairly confident that this game isn't going that route. PvP is going to be limited to actual events that you willingly sign up for, not random attacks from players.

Seriously though, the bottom line is that allowing casual players the option to experience the game's content is not taking anything away from your gaming experience. You can still go do the content with your LS. Personally, a content-finder wouldn't affect me in any way at all - the only dungeon or primal fights I have ever done were with my LS, and that'll likely stay that way.

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Originally Posted by Buuul

anytime you feel like it, when people aren't depending on you.

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hmmmm.............."Don't like Gobbue mount, or any of the new mounts? Don't use them.
Don't like the ability to teleport from anywhere, and think that teleporting should only be possible from a crystal? Only teleport from a crystal then.
Don't like a content finder function to group people? Don't use it. Continue to make groups using LS members."

Pretty much said don't use it... yet you are saying I should use it... hmmmmmm... See, you need to stop being a jerk and forcing me on playing a way I don't wanna play

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Originally Posted by Rokien

Pretty much said don't use it... yet you are saying I should use it... hmmmmmm... See, you need to stop being a jerk and forcing me on playing a way I don't wanna play

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If traveling on a chocobo for 20 minutes counts as something fun for you, you should do shouts and try to get a party together to experience this exciting content. You can do laps around the world, or perhaps a race from Limsa ferry dock in West Thanalan to the gates of Gridania. I support all of your in-game entertainment choices.

But when people make an experience party, or a party to challenge a dungeon/primal, THAT is what they want to do. When you agree to join the party, it's implied that you're not going to waste everyone's time by taking the scenic route to the dungeon, in the same way that it's implied that you aren't going to go afk for 45 minutes while trying to leech experience.

Food for thought: when the SWTOR devs brought up the upcoming dungeon finder at today's guild summit, they specified it was single-server only. The result? Huuuuge applause.

*sees the "Casual" Vs. "Hardcore" debate is still going on*

*headdesk*

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Originally Posted by Kiote

The way Ul'Dah is currently is just as Big a problem as what a Content Finder would create. Just because something is already broken doesn't mean you can ignore the problem.

Getting people out of Ul'Dah should be one of this Dev Teams Highest Priorities. Not adding ways to help people stay in one spot.

But like I said previously in this thread. The only thing they need to do to Make Content Finder acceptable is make it so it does not Teleport players directly into the Content.

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I guess FF XI was a hub game too cause everyone stayed in Whitegate for shots etc.

Sounds more like the actual content is too easy vs. the content finder actually being detrimental. If you can do most content in a pickup group there would be no point to tight-knit linkshells regardless.

I don't have a problem with finding groups easily to do one group dungeons, who really wants to wait 4 hours for a group like you had to sometimes in 11? But if you have raids that you can beat with a pickup that's more of a problem with the game itself than the content finder.

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Originally Posted by Madruk

Sounds more like the actual content is too easy vs. the content finder actually being detrimental. If you can do most content in a pickup group there would be no point to tight-knit linkshells regardless.

I don't have a problem with finding groups easily to do one group dungeons, who really wants to wait 4 hours for a group like you had to sometimes in 11? But if you have raids that you can beat with a pickup that's more of a problem with the game itself than the content finder.

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Basically, this. The game of course needs content that can be handled with pickup groups, but it also needs content that requires planning, strategy, and will work best with players you know. But if you can use the Content Finder to win everything, that's a problem with the content, not the finder.

Also along these lines, part of the reason we need a content finder is that no one wants to do the content. There's no reason to. Gear has become outdated far too fast in XIV, so most of the content that people have trouble finding parties for is largely ignored because no one wants/needs it. For content that still provides benefit (few people are 7/7 on Ifrit or Moogle, for example), it's almost impossible not to find a group.


I still prefer an intra-server finder to an inter-server search, though, for reasons I'm not going to repeat.

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Originally Posted by Firon

I guess FF XI was a hub game too cause everyone stayed in Whitegate for shots etc.

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Whitegate was a hub both for all the content that you entered from it as well as for traveling to other parts of the game world and it had a centralized economy with it connecting to other main auction house.

Uldah has none of thoose and XIV barely has a 10th of the player numbers of XI so you realy can't make a comparison.

For a good example of how a gameworld changes after a crossrealm dungeon finder implementation you can take a look at WoW, where you'd barely see anyone at max lvl outside Stormwind or Ogrimmar, they all stand around in town waiting in que for PVP battlegrounds or PVE dungeons/raids.

Someone mentioned somewhere an idea for an in-server content finder, where you'd be able to enter the que by going to the actual dungeon of choice, much like how battlegrounds in WoW worked before the first expansion.

I'd support this idea, since it wouldn't lower any sense of server community(by keeping the finder server wide only) nor deplete the actual non-instanced world of players(since people would still actualy travel the land to destinations).

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I guess FF XI was a hub game too cause everyone stayed in Whitegate for shots etc.

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wrong. people used the search in that game only shouted when no one was on or need help, selling stuff. you even got invites when you were not looking.

Still playing FFXI now people do spend the majority of time in Jeuno. SE expanded the shout channel to all 4 zones of jeuno and its called /yell. So you see shouts in any Jeuno zone. Pick ups for VW and Abyssea and exp form in Jeuno all day long. But now with that live shout monitoring thing on ffxiah http://www.ffxiah.com/shouts people can not even be logged in the game and if they see a shout they are interested in they can log in and send the guy a tell.

The thing about FFXI was there wasn't any hard content in the game at all. Everything was really easy or impossible see AV (until the level cap raise). However people did stuff with linkshells because people wanted to control the drops, play with their friends, or gear out people in the same group in hopes of getting gear themself. Now in current FFXI we have Abyssea and Voidwatch where people pug stuff like crazy. You see shouts all the time for AF3 seal farming in abyssea and 18 man VW groups forming in Jeuno all day about.

Not sure SE is the type of company that makes really hard content where only less then 1% of the playerbase can even finish like Blizzard does in WoW with heroic hard mode raids.