This is why this game should'nt get a parse

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Originally Posted by Tangster85

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If you feel to bring up the DPS being the reason you got kicked, perhaps that is something you should improve on, rather than sit at your throughput level and point fingers how others are rude, mean and derogatory towards you on the internet. I personally prefer the option to find a guide on someone good, and learn from their knowledge they freely share with the community.

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So they pretty much lied about the whole situation, besides it looks like they know they performed bad and they gonna use that an excuse to make people feel bad for him/her? How clever.

I'd be pretty salty as well if I was 9th percentile.

I can't believe this thread achieved the impossible. It got better.

I’m the AST who was party leader and I just kicked the tank because he killed all the DPS and the DPS because Tangman had friends who wanted to join. Parses weren’t involved but it looks like someone else uploaded and the DPS was abysmal, deaths notwithstanding. Idk how this turned into a 17-page thread o.o

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Originally Posted by HewreyEden

I’m the AST who was party leader and I just kicked the tank because he killed all the DPS and the DPS because Tangman had friends who wanted to join. Parses weren’t involved but it looks like someone else uploaded and the DPS was abysmal, deaths notwithstanding. Idk how this turned into a 17-page thread o.o

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You and the SCH get an instant like for maintaining that DPS whilst the world around you was pretty much on fire++

GJ <3

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Originally Posted by HewreyEden

I’m the AST who was party leader and I just kicked the tank because he killed all the DPS and the DPS because Tangman had friends who wanted to join. Parses weren’t involved but it looks like someone else uploaded and the DPS was abysmal, deaths notwithstanding. Idk how this turned into a 17-page thread o.o

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OP wanting sympathy for perceived toxicity over parsers that never happened. Happens a lot around here.

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Originally Posted by Sebazy

That's a fair response aye <3

I guess at the end of the day, it's very much a personal choice, some won't be comfortable with even their character's 'data' being in the public domain whilst others (I fall into this camp I guess!) scratch their heads wondering what all the fuss is about. ;)

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that's fine. admittedly privacy(or at least control over it) is a personal peeve of mine so I just value it a lot.

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Originally Posted by HewreyEden

Idk how this turned into a 17-page thread o.o

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The word "parser" was used. This'll be a 30-50+ page thread easy.

eh, I imagine it could have gone worse. Plus we got to see the guys that were being smeared come and dunk on the OP. that's amusing.

Parsing or not, some people are gonna be rude anyway. These people deserve maybe few days ban, but if he wasn't wrong about low dps, you should also fix the problem or you are more than likely run into another guy with similar attitude, and being kicked for the same reason. The best thing to do here is blacklist/report him, move on and improve your own dps. That way no one can shit on you for bad dps in the furture. I've never been told my dps was lacking (i.e. green/mid blue) just because the people I've run with are nice. if I wasn't parsing myself and being aware that my dps sucks, I wouldn't improve.


I mostly upload the log just to share with my static, so hopefully they will know they should step up for the team. Sadly what I've notice is that the dps who are underperforming just seems not caring at all despite they are getting carried. So, again, parsing is not bad at all, people are gonna be mean with or without it, just improve yourself and blacklist/report them, so in the future people will not dare to talk shit about your dps (mid-high purple isn't hard at all for most of the job, orange is fairly easy to achieve when team are all doing their job).

I mean, I’m pretty sure I didn’t do anything worthy of ‘a few days’ ban’. If someone joins a PF and I’m the leader, I can kick them for any reason whatsoever. I’m not likely to do so unless there is a reason such as inciting another player or poor conduct, but it’s not against the TOS in any way.

Oh, excuse me for not reading the reply before replying. Expected this is another complain thread about parsing. This thread got really interesting lol.

I think every time some dramatic idiot opens a "parsers are bad" thread or tries to justify the idea that parsers breed toxicity I'm just going to link this thread.

There is no better evidence of where the truly toxic people tend to stand on this sort of issue.

Parsers are fine, fflogs is the problem. It brings pvp mentality into pve content. I cant count how many times in farm groups you can clearly tell someone is going for maximum uptime, wont dodge forcing you to move... wont use supportive gcds. Its especially bad among tanks currently for whatever reason, a few days ago i had a 90th percentile pld literally running infront of me with lightning markers on os1 and never used a single clem, cover, or anything... low and behold those runs ended up on fflogs but that was obvious with how he was playing Its so bad lately i dont even feel like running farm groups outside my static.

I dunno, i know its ultimately the players fault for playing this way but fflogs causes the mentality.

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Originally Posted by HaroldSaxon

So you are saying that kicking players for poor performance is reportable, meanwhile, there are players that SE are aware of using a Ruin 4 hack or speedhacks that are still not banned.

Says it all.

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You can kick poor players from parties just fine (it's considered "Differences in Playstyle", even though there's no actual option like that when vote-kicking), you just can't say it in a rude or obnoxious way.

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Originally Posted by Sylvina

I would say anyone who even remotely defends that tanks behavior is just being almost as bad as he was. Nobody can defend that, and saying your dps "sucked" when you're doing plenty for the content is just stupid.

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Well this forum turns into a playfield for elitists more and more anyways, a post literally saying "people are allowed to be an ass, when your dps is ass too." getting 40 likes just tells it all about this forum.

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Originally Posted by Charisma

Well this forum turns into a playfield for elitists more and more anyways, a post literally saying "people are allowed to be an ass, when your dps is ass too." getting 40 likes just tells it all about this forum.

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I love how you both support the OP for spreading bullshit. Like, at least read whats going on. I like how more and more players with that attitude of yours comes into the light too. speaks volum how far people go just to try get someone in a bad spot. But since you mostlikely wont read what happened I'll copy paste it to you both.

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Originally Posted by Tangster85

I feel I should participate in this thread (I'm the Warrior, btw) as this thread was brought to my attention by my FC.
Where did I kick you for doing poor DPS? We even killed it once, even though your performance is questionable at best, and nobody kicked you. I got 3 static friends that wanted to join for some late night fun. I have never kicked a person for low performance, if anyone deserved a kick in that group its the Paladin who killed all the DPS.

I haven't read any rules that forbid me to play with my friends, if I offended you then its not my intent. With that said however....

If you feel to bring up the DPS being the reason you got kicked, perhaps that is something you should improve on, rather than sit at your throughput level and point fingers how others are rude, mean and derogatory towards you on the internet. I personally prefer the option to find a guide on someone good, and learn from their knowledge they freely share with the community.

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Originally Posted by Charisma

Well this forum turns into a playfield for elitists more and more anyways, a post literally saying "people are allowed to be an ass, when your dps is ass too." getting 40 likes just tells it all about this forum.

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Because god forbid DPS get held to very fair and reasonable standards eh?

If you genuinely feel that expecting DPS jobs to do more DPS than a Tank in an encounter that's pretty much an ~eight minute target dummy is in anyway elitist or even just unfair then frankly I have no words for you.

At the end of the day, this is a team game and in proper raid content I'd like to think that players are obligated to at least put a baseline amount of effort into performing at a reasonable standard.

Honestly, before players complain about parsing, they need to make sure they know how to do their rotations. By level 50,you should already know.... There is no reason to not be hitting at least 2.5k in savage just doing your rotations, without even considering buffs on 310 gear. None whatsoever.

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Originally Posted by KaivaC

Honestly, before players complain about parsing, they need to make sure they know how to do their rotations. By level 50,you should already know.... There is no reason to not be hitting at least 2.5k in savage just doing your rotations, without even considering buffs on 310 gear. None whatsoever.

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I get what you are saying... but by level 50 most people are missing at least 3-4 key abilities and mechanics... so, no, they won't know their level cap rotations by then.. or, if you're doing your level 50 rotation @ 70... theyll be doing 2.5k in 330 gear.

I feel I must reply to the poster above mine, because you're simply put..wrong

Imagine you played bard at level 60 (last expansion, a reasonable assumption) and you leveled to 70, not completing your lvl 70 class quest to get refulgent arrow, which is a new ability. Troubadour does nothing for your DPS and the other skills are dots last longer, which one can argue doesn't necessarily effect your DPS in the same way as getting new rotational abilities does, we agree?

Splitting post in two, because 1000letter cap.

This is a friend doing o1s among his first times, or his very first time as a Bard, who does not have the lvl 70 class quest completed, and sort of being new to the bard class.
https://www.fflogs.com/reports/zAZct...-done&source=4 - 4.3k DPS lacking a very high potency ability. You can clearly see rotational mistakes to a person new to a class, including and not limited to dropping the dots on the boss, using 2 songs on pull and the list goes on. This goes to prove that making a mistake or two, is not a reason your DPS dives by 80%. There are more culprits behind extremely low throughput.

You shouldn't join this "The night is dark and full of terrors" group of people who are defending low performance, instead you should become a person who uses guides and freely available information to become better. Nobody asks you to get 100percentiles, but you should surely be able to do more than gray if you do your rotation (with however many abilities you may have, or are missing).

Okay please, let's not murder the OP here.

Report them. They're not allowed to talk about parser in game, specially if it is used to harass others. Also, I think is a bit worrying a tank more concern about DPS than tanking.

The best way to stop that is not having any mercy with that people.

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Originally Posted by Xlantaa

Report them. They're not allowed to talk about parser in game, specially if it i used to harass others. Also, I think is a bit worrying a tank more concern about DPS than tanking.

The best way to stop that is not having any mercy with that people.

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Everyone should be concerned about dps when the actual dps are doing less than tanks and/or healers.

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Originally Posted by Xlantaa

Report them. They're not allowed to talk about parser in game, specially if it is used to harass others. Also, I think is a bit worrying a tank more concern about DPS than tanking.

The best way to stop that is not having any mercy with that people.

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Psst: dps is everyone's job in this game.

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Originally Posted by Tangster85

Splitting post in two, because 1000letter cap.

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You can bypass this restriction by editing your post. :)

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Originally Posted by Xlantaa

Report them. They're not allowed to talk about parser in game, specially if it is used to harass others. Also, I think is a bit worrying a tank more concern about DPS than tanking.

The best way to stop that is not having any mercy with that people.

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All jobs DPS. If the tanks and healers aren't contributing, you're forcing the four DPS to all perform at a 95% level otherwise you simply won't clear. Putting that much burden on them is no different than DPS who stand in AoEs only to whine at the healer for letting them die.

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Originally Posted by Charisma

Well this forum turns into a playfield for elitists more and more anyways, a post literally saying "people are allowed to be an ass, when your dps is ass too." getting 40 likes just tells it all about this forum.

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Because poor DPS shouldn't be held accountable for their poor DPS, but the second a healer or tank screw up, it's time to tar and feather them for not "playing their job properly"?

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Originally Posted by Xlantaa

Report them. They're not allowed to talk about parser in game, specially if it is used to harass others. Also, I think is a bit worrying a tank more concern about DPS than tanking.

The best way to stop that is not having any mercy with that people.

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If you had read the thread, you would have come across the posts of the WAR and the AST in that group who both said nothing was mentioned about parsers or DPS numbers. That being said, I ask again why are DPS roles not allowed to be held accountable for their poor performance, but tanks and healers are crucified the minute they make a mistake?

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Originally Posted by Xlantaa

Report them. They're not allowed to talk about parser in game, specially if it is used to harass others. Also, I think is a bit worrying a tank more concern about DPS than tanking.

The best way to stop that is not having any mercy with that people.

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And these people call us toxic...

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Originally Posted by Hruodig

Psst: dps is everyone's job in this game.

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#NOTMYJOOOOB
-forums healers and tanks

(obvious sarcasm, please dont lynch)

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Originally Posted by Xlantaa

Report them. They're not allowed to talk about parser in game, specially if it is used to harass others. Also, I think is a bit worrying a tank more concern about DPS than tanking.

The best way to stop that is not having any mercy with that people.

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I'd like to say the best way to stop people commenting without reading the thread is to just assume people aren't fools, alas...

They never talked about parsers in game, they were kicked for a different reason, and a tank should entirely be worried about DPS if three DPS are failing to beat him when it's their only job. I'm not sure why poor play is unacceptable for tanks and healers but perfectly acceptable for DPS unless we're falling back on the stereotype that DPS is full of bad players who need to be carried.

We're not doing that, right? Because I'm pretty sure it's not true, in which case DPS should do their part in the group or be held to account just like the other roles.

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Originally Posted by MoroMurasaki

And these people call us toxic...

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Don't you get it, Moro?! We are worse than Moogle quests!

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

Don't you get it, Moro?! We are worse than Moogle quests!

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Oh crap, my bad. I am a toxic elitist who is the Scourge of Eorzea, trash talking every non-orange player in even the most casual content. I tell everyone I raise to uninstall the game and force my cohealer to carry the brunt of the healing so that I can have my own orange parses.

I mean, that last part is actually a little true, but yeah...

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Originally Posted by Tangster85

I feel I must reply to the poster above mine, because you're simply put..wrong

Imagine you played bard at level 60 (last expansion, a reasonable assumption) and you leveled to 70, not completing your lvl 70 class quest to get refulgent arrow, which is a new ability. Troubadour does nothing for your DPS and the other skills are dots last longer, which one can argue doesn't necessarily effect your DPS in the same way as getting new rotational abilities does, we agree?

Splitting post in two, because 1000letter cap.

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Just because that's the case for bard, that's not the case for every other class.

You took probably the only example that fit, and ran with it.

SAM doesn't get Kenki generation sorted until 62 -- until then, the class simply doesnt even begin to look like what it will at 70.

SMN gets Demi-Bahamut at 70, which completely changes the opener and the overall weigh of the rotation.
BLM doesn't get triple-casting until late 60ies.
RDM doesn't get Manafication and Verholy/Verflare until 60ish+ either.

So, I don't know what to tell you -- if you think all of ^ those are minor changes that have no real change to your dps or your overall rotation...

Nevermind the fact the original post I replied to was talking about level 50 and you arbitrarily changed it up to 60... but, still.

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Originally Posted by Xlantaa

Report them. They're not allowed to talk about parser in game, specially if it is used to harass others. Also, I think is a bit worrying a tank more concern about DPS than tanking.

The best way to stop that is not having any mercy with that people.

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Tank performs as expected for one of his ilvl. Makes us look bad by comparison. Let's get him banned.

Yep, the tanks here were definitely the toxic ones...

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Originally Posted by Xlantaa

Report them. They're not allowed to talk about parser in game, specially if it is used to harass others. Also, I think is a bit worrying a tank more concern about DPS than tanking.

The best way to stop that is not having any mercy with that people.

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Yeah because it's fine for a tank to do more dps than the dps. You know I've done so many kills and I also tanked fights myself without any tank stance at all and I get told I'm a way better tank than people who are in tank stance and It's like I tanked the whole fight with a tank stance. It's weird that people say that a tank who's tanking without tank stance takes less damage and doing 40% more damage is something they prefer than a ''tank who just tanks''.
Another example is tanks should put the boss in a good position and in omega 1 savage the tanks usually pop them in the fire so the melees can't hit it, another example of bad tanking. Just because you are a tank and your job is to hold aggro doesn't mean you are a good one. I'm more worried that you have the balls to say ''they are more concern about dpsing than tanking''. That means you don't know how to optimize your cds in a fight, you don't know how to move the boss for melees etc. You pretty much play like tanks in dungeons in raids.

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

Because poor DPS shouldn't be held accountable for their poor DPS, but the second a healer or tank screw up, it's time to tar and feather them for not "playing their job properly"?
If you had read the thread, you would have come across the posts of the WAR and the AST in that group who both said nothing was mentioned about parsers or DPS numbers. That being said, I ask again why are DPS roles not allowed to be held accountable for their poor performance, but tanks and healers are crucified the minute they make a mistake?

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Couldn't said it any better. Honestly they defend too many people with poor performance. ''Oh no the healer is dpsing, I'm so concern they care about dpsing than healing'' ''tank is doing good dps so he must be a shit tank''. ''dps doing grey percentile, doesn't matter boss died and I don't care that the healers and the two tanks did so good damage to get us a clear instead of enrage''

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https://www.fflogs.com/reports/1TPCN...e=damage-taken
Look at the damage taken. Its 450k difference between me and the PLD. He has shield oath up 94% of the time. Now look at this other log as myself as PLD and look I have no shield oath on in the whole run and I only ate 240k ish more than the PLD I was with as a WAR. https://www.fflogs.com/reports/mKyGR...e=damage-taken I was also active 2% more than PLD I was with. So whatever you say Xlanta, before talking, at least look at how the damage is taken etc. According to these logs I did better than the PLD when I was warrior and I wasn't in tank stance at all. Care to explain?

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Originally Posted by Kakiko

they see my name in logs where I was having an off day

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Your logs when you're having an "off day" are completely relevant if someone is gauging what kind of a risk they're taking when you join their party. If they're an oddity they'll be drowned out by good logs anyway. I have numerous terrible runs of mine uploaded. Cherry-picking only runs that reflect well on you is a dishonest accounting of your performance.

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Originally Posted by Kakiko

I get that you want parties that can clear and where everyone pulls their weight. I just take issue with the generalization that because someone doesn't have FFLogs means that person is looking for a carry. It's not true 100% of the time. I don't know, I guess it's just different expectations from the game. To me, it sounds extremely elitist that someone has to have a third party item as "proof" or they "deserve" a blacklist.

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Perhaps, but it's true most of the time. It's a reliable enough warning sign that not making use of it, at least in parties where efficiency is implied or guaranteed, is irresponsible as a PF host. People will often wait long periods of time for a party to fill up only to have it quickly disbanded if the group turns out to be unable to iron out its problems and accomplish its stated objectives. If it is within your power to provide evidence of your capabilities, then asking for it is merely asking you for the courtesy of going slightly out of your way to make people feel more confident about investing their time and effort together with you.

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Originally Posted by akaneakki

I love how you both support the OP for spreading bullshit. Like, at least read whats going on. I like how more and more players with that attitude of yours comes into the light too. speaks volum how far people go just to try get someone in a bad spot. But since you mostlikely wont read what happened I'll copy paste it to you both.

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I don't really understand what you want from me, my post has nothing to do with what he says, and I'm not willing to read 16 pages of a circlejerk.

Oh yeah, he pretty much only says "I did nothing against the rules, and please learn to play if you don't want to get shit talked."

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Originally Posted by akaneakki

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An how the hell you know how I play my tank? For you information, I stand 99% without tank stance, performing DPS as "everyone expect". Just because I want to do it. How the hell you make this paragraph about a phrase that is just report bad behavior in party? Really? You need attack other to probe your ways? I said a guy talking shit should be reported and you immediately said I bad tank because yes?

But, yes, I think a tank should do DPS as much as can, but not make it the core of his job, because is not. They're not obliged to do top tier DPS.

A lot of people in this thread target me, despite I didn't say anything to anyone, talking bullshit about me because yes. So, that's not toxicity, that's perfectly fine and aceptable. Then we have a lot of thread s with "this community is great, is not toxic as WoW or Whatever!!!"

Yeah, I see it. What I did to you to attack me like this? Do you feel great, big, powerful?

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Originally Posted by Charisma

I don't really understand what you want from me, my post has nothing to do with what he says, and I'm not willing to read 16 pages of a circlejerk.

Oh yeah, he pretty much only says "I did nothing against the rules, and please learn to play if you don't want to get shit talked."

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Read what you said, what do you want from me? I'm asking you the same question. I also copy pasted the text from the TANK that was in the screenshot that was with OP. Or is that hard to miss when you even replied to me?

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Originally Posted by Xlantaa

An how the hell you know how I play my tank? For you information, I stand 99% without tank stance, performing DPS as "everyone expect". Just because I want to do it. How the hell you make this paragraph a boot a phrase that is just report bad behavior in party?
Yeah, I see it. What I did to you to attack me like this? Do you feel great, big, powerful?

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Originally Posted by Xlantaa

Also, I think is a bit worrying a tank more concern about DPS than tanking.

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Originally Posted by Xlantaa

Yeah, I see it. What I did to you to attack me like this? Do you feel great, big, powerful?

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What the person did wasn't rude and they NEVER MENTIONED PARSER OR BAD DPS. So you gonna spread lies too? You know just reporting people just for the sake if it makes you toxic.
'What If my friends on ps4 made up using parser and they don't and the GM finds out, what you gonna do about it? Look even more silly? It's as silly as you backing up OP without reading what even happened. Then it's also funny you say ''this guy focus on dps than tanking'' yet you run the same formula. Clever.. just clever.

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Originally Posted by Xlantaa

Yeah, I see it. What I did to you to attack me like this? Do you feel great, big, powerful?

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I ask you the same for attacking the person who did nothing wrong.