BLM needs some love and RDM needs a nerf

Stop asking for nerfs to RDM, ask for BLM buffs instead.

They won't nerf RDM and simultaneously buff BLM because it will look like this:
RDM: "Utility AND Deeps?! Thanks SE!"
BLM: "I'm turret! I should have MOAR Deeps to compensate for my lack of utility!"
Yoshi-P: "You're right BLM, I SHOULD buff your Deeps since you have no utility!"
RDM: "Alright! Now we can raid as duo-cas---"
*Yoshi-P extends his index finger and touches RDM's lips with a soft shhhh*
Yoshi-P: "I'm taking away your DPS and giving it to BLM."

I think when we come to balance the DPS classes most would agree that those with less utility and are hampered by mechanics should naturally be doing more damage.
If we were to throw the casters into their utility and their mobility(for mechanics) we should be seeing a ranking like this:

BLM > SMN > RDM.

I main melee but I leveled RDM as an alt for melee heavy groups where Embolden would be more useful, I'm disappointed with how simple it is but it's fun to be a highly mobile caster. - However I was shocked by how much damage I was doing, while I do more damage on my Dragoon partially because of the gear and experience I feel like I have more freedom with RDM and in some cases, while it may not actually be true I think the utility I have is way better to boost the party's damage and quite frankly I have way more to look out for with positions, botd and dragon eyes than weighing the balance between the two manas which has come to the point where I only flick my eyes to see if they've reached 40 or 80 yet and judging by that alone I can tell what to use out of Verflare/Verholy.

I know this may just be a rant about how easy RDM is but the matter of fact is that BLM should be doing the same numbers as SAM, maybe a little bit lower depending on how things play out. It's basically the SAM of the casters with how little utility it has.

If I were personally designing this game I'd probably make DPS look like this:

SAM =/= BLM > MNK > SMN=/=DRG > NIN=/=RDM > MCH > BRD

On dummies, blm>smn>rdm. Is up to the player and the encounter to hold his/her own. There are better and worst suited fights and players that make the best of the encounter while some who dont.

Sometimes on Susano i have saw blms dealing more damage than sam and rdm but depends on the skill on the player and on that case a bit of luck at not being targeted by too many Susano mechanics, but Susano es a heavy movement fight is logical blms will struggle there, if they didnt they would be crazy on less movement ones

Things wont change aside very small changes, and some people make it looks like the sky is falling on the poor blm

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Originally Posted by Bhearil

On dummies, blm>smn>rdm. Is up to the player and the encounter to hold his/her own. There are better and worst suited fights and players that make the best of the encounter while some who dont.

Sometimes on Susano i have saw blms dealing more damage than sam and rdm but depends on the skill on the player and on that case a bit of luck at not being targeted by too many Susano mechanics, but Susano es a heavy movement fight is logical blms will struggle there, if they didnt they would be crazy on less movement ones

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unlogical argument somehow - its true that a skilled blm might outdamge an unskilled rdm but if the same skilled player would be as skilled on rdm cls he will outdamage his own blm parse on rdm. different playerskill-level shouldn't be an argument to point which cls is better in a real fight - now dummy parse is still don't worth anything... rdm > blm in movement this fact gives a shit on dummy numbers.

but yeah blms at all are not that poor that they deserve a buff... there are others cls which are messed up way harder than them.

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Alright, real talk, these dummy arguments are seriously so completely dishonest.
BLM is the job that loses the most dps between a dummy fight and a real fight.
And a dummy doesn't account for some of the most powerful utility tools in the game.
Trick Attack doesn't mean much in a dummy at all, but in a party you get a huge bonus in raid dps when it's up.
An AST hitting a dummy won't get much off a Balance, but we all know how much a Celestial Opposition'd aoe Balance is worth (it's actually overcentralizing right now, as far as healers are concerned).

Further, the fact that you say this one BLM outdps that other SAM doesn't mean much. I can outdps a SAM too, if he plays poorly. That doesn't inherently say anything about the jobs.
We have a large body of data that highlights the issues some of the jobs are facing. This isn't our imagination and personal experience speaking. This is data over thousands of different people in hundreds of different clears.
These are (statistical) trends.

I think it's quite concerning that, as someone else pointed out (was it CecMiller? Can't recall, sorry helpful person :( ), the top 50 fastest Lak and Susie kills have a single BLM participating.
That means there's a consensus that our job just isn't worth investing into compared to the rest of the lot.

"But you can clear content!"
Yea, sure I can. But neither as easily, nor as quickly and, worst of all, not as consistently or effectively as the rest.
Sure, make my job have a lot of variance and be hard to do consistently well with, but at least me give me some reward for it.
This is added on top the number of minor nuisances that made the flow of the job feel quite a bit clunkier in 4.0 (AF leniency and mana tick reliance being the top two).

Remember that after a certain skill level, rdm dps is heavily dependant on the 50% procs, blms also have procs but they are not so dependant on them. Blm dps is like climbing a mountain then going down then climb again while rdm is like a surfer that tries to remain over the wave as much as he/she can.

Also rdm support cuts the dps done plus it eats far more mp than any other spells, and that having the worst mp regen (they do have decent mp costs though but if you die with lucid dream on cd you are screwed in around 30 seconds of dps). Meanwhile blm aoe is far far better.

Different classes different strenghts albeit i do admit that the current ex primals are on rdm favor due to being heavy movements fights, but you cant expect blms to do great when the fights are against them, otherwise they would be ridiculously strong on those fights with less movements. Unless SE wants us to from dancing on every fight like rabbits on heat as the bare minimum to playing a bullet hell game on hardest ones. If thats become the norm, then i would agree that blm would need buffs

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This has always been the norm, what x)
What are these wonderful fights without movement people sometimes mention?
This is a honest question, too- the fight in my recent memory with less movement has been A7S (outside the hearts) and maaaybe A12S...? And even then, you had periods of considerably movement in A12S, I just had a wonderful, sweet MCH in my party that helped me Aetherial around a lot.
Heck, Sophia tilted the arena herself, you'd move whether you wanted to or not.

Movement: This has always up until now been issues that may hold blm behind, no other jobs are really affected by mechanics as much as blm has always been.
Red Mage brings great damage, it has movement so mechanics effect it far less and also great Utility.
I only find to have mp issues if i am raising multiple players in the group, Lucid Dreaming seems fine thus far. It still should have it's own mp regeneration though
Sure i may not be right but i do predict groups will not be taking in blm or smn but Red Mage instead

The whole thread is tl;dr, but my suggestion after thinking about it and toying with it would be let the umbral hearts function similar to MCH ammunition where the fire spells used with it are given +25 potency.

Also, consider giving Triplecast increased potency for the three spells that it casts, like +50% or double if you please.

If you're really interested in more of my unique thoughts, between the lines should reset the recast timer on aetherial manipulation, which would not be broken at all since flying back and forth would mean not being able to cast in the downtime.

Also, there is no reason that Surecast doesn't allow you to move while casting the spell. Furthermore, the "nullifies draw in and knockback" completely doesn't work, or I haven't encountered a moment where it does.

Also, if you'd like to apply some kind of cooldown reduction by 10 seconds on Convert for every umbral heart spent or for every Blizzard IV cast, I'd be down with that. Almost every other job that I've looked at has some kind of cooldown timer lowering feat now. Would be dope.

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Originally Posted by Llugen

Furthermore, the "nullifies draw in and knockback" completely doesn't work, or I haven't encountered a moment where it does.

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The problem with this is two-fold and it comes with bad design.

The first problem is that many mechanics for some reason do not let you take advantage of these abilities, for example on DRG I had an idea that if I were to be targeted by Susano's knock-back and have a bomb on me I'd use Arm's Length so I don't have to sprint back to the group. - However I should have known that it knocks me back regardless.
Arm's Length and Surecast are in no way game breaking in that fight because most of the time you will be targeted by a stormcloud, the very rare moments (once where it matters in the fight) you're not targeted it'd be perfect and would reward players who utilize these abilities wisely.

The second problem with Surecast is that when you begin to cast a spell, the effect wears off. I am unsure if this affects the knock-back or not but it's very likely it does in a way that it wouldn't work any longer.
Would it be game breaking for Surecast to be a buff that lasts 10 seconds for every cast during then? Probably not, but I don't see any reason why it's in the state it is. Increase its CD, reduce the duration of the buff but atleast make it more useful than it is now.

Increase AF/UI 3 duration by 1-2 seconds, decrease cooldown of transpose by 1-2 seconds or have transpose retain AF/UI stacks [if they really wanna grant me all my brithdays at once :D] Have Aetherial Manipulation on a drastically decreased cooldown [10-15 sec maybe even less would be amazing. Reward planning and actual use of mobility skills] Really don't think Blms even need much of a damage buff at all really, although I would never ever refuse one :D

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Originally Posted by OgruMogru

Increase AF/UI 3 duration by 1-2 seconds, decrease cooldown of transpose by 1-2 seconds or have transpose retain AF/UI stacks [if they really wanna grant me all my brithdays at once :D] Have Aetherial Manipulation on a drastically decreased cooldown [10-15 sec maybe even less would be amazing. Reward planning and actual use of mobility skills] Really don't think Blms even need much of a damage buff at all really, although I would never ever refuse one :D

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I agree this is the direction they should be moving in. The consensus seems to be that BLM should be putting out numbers comparable to samurai, and it can! If the problem is that those numbers aren't translating to practical fights, the thorough solution would be to loosen up the class so it isn't punished so heavily by mechanics when compared to other classes.

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Originally Posted by Krisom

The second problem with Surecast is that when you begin to cast a spell, the effect wears off. I am unsure if this affects the knock-back or not but it's very likely it does in a way that it wouldn't work any longer.

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It's stupid, but Surecast's knockback canceling effect ends the moment you begin to cancel a spell. You have to hit Surecast and eat the hit before you cast your next spell. You can cancel every single Vacuum Wave, for example, in the last floor of Omega with good timing. Instant procs also don't count as casts as far as I can tell, so you can fire those off and still be immune to knockback.

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Originally Posted by Symon17

I agree this is the direction they should be moving in. The consensus seems to be that BLM should be putting out numbers comparable to samurai, and it can! If the problem is that those numbers aren't translating to practical fights, the thorough solution would be to loosen up the class so it isn't punished so heavily by mechanics when compared to other classes.

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This.
In addition give us our F4 potency back! There was nothing wrong with it warranting that nerf.

I personally think that RDM is fine where it is. It's nice to have a solid dps that is easier to use. I finally can worry more about mechanics and things happening in a fight without staring at my bars. It also allows me to be able to keep an eye on my party members so I can throw a clutch heal or rez in quicker.

I don't know anything about Summoner, but it sounds like the concensus is that it should be equal to RDM if not slightly ahead. I'd be fine with that.

Black mage should definitely be buffed to do more dps than RDM.

I wouldn't stop playing RDM regardless of what happens to other jobs. I would just hate RDMs to get nerfed and take the chance that the community sees them as useless despite it probably not being that hard of a nerf anyway. Fix Black Mage and Summoner, then take another look at everything.

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I'm actually not so sure about it.
I've had a few very favourable Susie EX runs (no stuns or gaols or nonsense like that) in a no-AST, no-SMN party and I always end up around 3.6/3.7k at ilv308 (still haven't got the staff, 7 tokens...).
Last night, I had a MNK on that party (BLM/MNK/NIN/DRG, so no one getting more buffed than the other) and the MNK (ilv314) consistently outdps'd me by like 200+.
Movement might have shaved off like 100 dps, but I'm not seeing myself ever hitting SAM levels of dps as the job currently is.
Is it just the potencies themselves? Not sure... I'm not even sure if returning the 20 potency on Fire IV and Blizz IV would be enough.

That said, the AF/UI extension would be such a nice QoL change.
And give me bonus duration if I Fire with an Umbral Heart stack, because that crap happens a lot due to mechanics :(

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Originally Posted by Pidooma

I personally think that RDM is fine where it is. It's nice to have a solid dps that is easier to use. I finally can worry more about mechanics and things happening in a fight without staring at my bars. It also allows me to be able to keep an eye on my party members so I can throw a clutch heal or rez in quicker.

I don't know anything about Summoner, but it sounds like the concensus is that it should be equal to RDM if not slightly ahead. I'd be fine with that.

Black mage should definitely be buffed to do more dps than RDM.

I wouldn't stop playing RDM regardless of what happens to other jobs. I would just hate RDMs to get nerfed and take the chance that the community sees them as useless despite it probably not being that hard of a nerf anyway. Fix Black Mage and Summoner, then take another look at everything.

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I think most people here don't actually want RDM nerfed. Just want it to stay the same and be used as a baseline to "fix" the other two casters, because things aren't looking so hot (I even see "no BLM/SMN" parties on the PF now >.>)

Bump Fire/Blizz IV to 300(Overall 540) potency as we have no OGCDs to keep our damage up like SAM as well as Fire/Blizz IV being above the GCD. If not a potency buff to Fire/Blizz IV, get rid of the above the gcd cast of Fire/Blizz 4, no real reason to keep it anymore. Fire 1 brought up from 180 to 200, Fire III from 240 to 260.
Bump Enochian's Damage up from 5% to 10%.
Then Thunder III's dot potency from 40 to 55. Proc chance for Thundercloud from 10% to 15% and get rid of the duration of the thundercloud buff so we can plan to use.
UI/AF brought up by 2 seconds just like PVP UI/AF.
Triplecast/Leylines recast from 90 to 60.

As of right now, BLM needs to be brought up drastically in damage to make up for the fact that our DPS dies as mechanics happen, but a good BLM that reduces downtime as much as possible should be hitting SAM numbers. Now not all of these should be put in, but just throwing out what would help out BLM and what i think needs to be changed.

BLM is putting out decent damage, but by SE's own logic, since it provides little utility, it should be the strongest damage caster, and it's not (single target), SMN is. That being said, giving Fire IV a flat potency buff would be unwise, I think, as it is definitely still strong (we don't want to break it in the other direction either).

This is why I think damage utility out of the umbral hearts or damage utility out of triplecast would be the best strategy; it rewards planning and thinking ahead but isn't just faceroll damage increase.

Edit: I wouldn't necessarily consider myself a "world class" BLM as I don't personally do a ton of straight number crunching, but I've raided all of coil/all of savage on it at a reasonably fast rate with various groups, so I think I can authoritatively say this. A BLM played properly is not quite hitting SAM numbers, but is very close. If a RDM is doing more dummy damage than a BLM something is wrong (although RDM is definitely strong)

You can check out Galvuu's other thread. It sheds light on how the 4.0 skills and their proposed changes to our rotation is ultimately futile. It seems that SE did the "This piece gear is different because the colors are different" treatment on us. The PPS of the 3.0 rotation is almost the same as our 4.0 rotation. The only significantly good thing Stormblood gave us is the incredibly powerful AOE potential thanks to T4P and UH letting us Flare>Foul>Flare every AF window.

Feels bad man.

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Originally Posted by soslinky

You can check out Galvuu's other thread. It sheds light on how the 4.0 skills and their proposed changes to our rotation is ultimately futile. It seems that SE did the "This piece gear is different because the colors are different" treatment on us. The PPS of the 3.0 rotation is almost the same as our 4.0 rotation. The only significantly good thing Stormblood gave us is the incredibly powerful AOE potential thanks to T4P and UH letting us Flare>Foul>Flare every AF window.

Feels bad man.

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I edited it with a few propositions to solve the issue.
It's not much, and it doesn't change any of the rotations or how the job plays, but we'd get around a 10% dps buff VS what we have now, and the 4.0 rotation would actually be worth using, although it'd still be the hardest by far.

I've since changed to Red Mage from BLM sub. They are just so much fun to play and I love being mobile. I think blm is just incredibly boring when you compare the two especially after the fire iv nerf. I might get blm to 70 though to see if foul is cool.

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It sheds light on how the 4.0 skills and their proposed changes to our rotation is ultimately futile. It seems that SE did the "This piece gear is different because the colors are different" treatment on us. The PPS of the 3.0 rotation is almost the same as our 4.0 rotation. The only significantly good thing Stormblood gave us is the incredibly powerful AOE potential thanks to T4P and UH letting us Flare>Foul>Flare every AF window.

Feels bad man

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Personally I see no problem with BLM being weaker single target damage than summoner but stronger aoe damage, the thing is that would mean they have to design fights well around that, which they're generally terrible at doing (See also, all of patches 2.2 and 2.3).

The main issue here is that SMN is stronger single target AND provides significantly more utility (magic/physical vuln, devotion, raise, the role pool skills), and then everyone knows red mage is god tier utility and does pretty decent damage as well.

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Originally Posted by Llugen

Personally I see no problem with BLM being weaker single target damage than summoner but stronger aoe damage, the thing is that would mean they have to design fights well around that, which they're generally terrible at doing.

The main issue here is that SMN is stronger single target AND provides significantly more utility (magic/physical vuln, devotion, raise, the role pool skills), and then everyone knows red mage is god tier utility and does pretty decent damage as well.

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The issue is that both (SMN and BLM) are considerably weaker than MNK/SAM/NIN/BRD/RDM (and that's 5 strong picks for 4 slots, so we're sitting this one out with the DRGs and MCHs).
The graver issue for BLM is that our new tools/mechanics outside of Foul made us weaker in most raids. So when I'm farming EX primals or doing Deltascape, I'm pretty much always better ignoring the Umbral Heart thing and just using Triple/Foul.
So a third of my new toys are actually rubbish.

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Originally Posted by Llugen

Personally I see no problem with BLM being weaker single target damage than summoner but stronger aoe damage, the thing is that would mean they have to design fights well around that, which they're generally terrible at doing (See also, all of patches 2.2 and 2.3).

The main issue here is that SMN is stronger single target AND provides significantly more utility (magic/physical vuln, devotion, raise, the role pool skills), and then everyone knows red mage is god tier utility and does pretty decent damage as well.

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The problem with that is that Blm has zero party utility, the only thing we had, Apoc, was opened to all casters.
SE keeps defending their op Sam by saying they should be top as they have no other benefits for the group. That logic should apply to Blm as well.

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Originally Posted by Llugen

Personally I see no problem with BLM being weaker single target damage than summoner but stronger aoe damage, the thing is that would mean they have to design fights well around that, which they're generally terrible at doing (See also, all of patches 2.2 and 2.3).

The main issue here is that SMN is stronger single target AND provides significantly more utility (magic/physical vuln, devotion, raise, the role pool skills), and then everyone knows red mage is god tier utility and does pretty decent damage as well.

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What everyone else said basically. Only having BLM be good at AOE would only make them good for expert runs, and that is about it. They would have no use for raids or anything else. BLM needs to be the top caster dps at AOE and single target for us to be taken to raids because we do lack the utility. I do think we should have numbers close to Sam like in the 4500 range of damage for single and Aoe.

Maybe nerf RDM a smaaaaaall bit but definitely buff BLM. It's the caster equivalent to SAM but far weaker for some reason.

There is no reason why BLM shouldn't be top DPS when standing still. Freaking SAM beats us in dummy fights too! There is no reason why a BLM that can minimize downtime shouldn't be on the top of the DPS. Thats why I said we needed potency increases across the board. We need to catch up and the only way to catch up is to hit even harder.

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Originally Posted by Llugen

Personally I see no problem with BLM being weaker single target damage than summoner but stronger aoe damage, the thing is that would mean they have to design fights well around that, which they're generally terrible at doing (See also, all of patches 2.2 and 2.3).

The main issue here is that SMN is stronger single target AND provides significantly more utility (magic/physical vuln, devotion, raise, the role pool skills), and then everyone knows red mage is god tier utility and does pretty decent damage as well.

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I know this is a buff BLM thread, but please - who do you think you're fooling? SMN better single target? Summoner is currently the worst dps at almost every percentile. BLM is above them for every percentile as is Red mage. If you don't believe me, just check here:

https://www.fflogs.com/statistics/15/#dataset=70

Not even going to comment on stuff like devotion (hint: It's garbage). SMN will almost never be using mana shift as it hurts their dps a ton more than it hurts a BLM's or RDM's. SMN's use for the new virus is just an extra wyrmwave atm. What SMN has over BLM atm is the ability to raise, slightly less time in turret mode (you wanna be casting Ruin 1 or Ruin 3 most of the time and standing still in bahamut casting Ruin 2 because bahamut is dumb), and either its magic buff or its phys buff. It won't use both as there is a huge mana cost to switching pets (and you MUST use swift otherwise its even more silly). Further, shockwave from garuda (the knockback) shares the cooldown with radiant shield (the phys buff which only activates when you get hit) and therefore if you've used shockwave on garuda, it's even more pointless to switch. Even with the magic buff that summoner has, it STILL deals less damage than RDM and BLM both. The main reason you took SMN over BLM in 3.0 was raise. In 4.0, RDM was introduced which is just summoner, but better in every way save buffing magic damage. No bahamut to block your view, far easier to play and master, swift cast on demand, better mp management, better dps, by far less punishing for messing up mana vs. missing an aetherflow move or dying for that matter and a better party wide buff which is far more responsive/easier to use. I'm fine with RDM being the caster of choice to bring for prog/meta parties. I'm not fine with it being better than summoner in almost every way.

Play around with the percentiles and tell me where you see the stronger single target damage of the summoner. BLM needs a buff and SMN also needs one. The fact you think SMN's single target is superior to that of BLM's is laughable. If you're trying to make a case for buffing BLM's try to avoid comparing BLM to summoners which is in a worse state for more reasons than a simple "dps" problem. The fact of the matter is, the current standings are RDM > BLM > SMN. SMN is the lowest caster damage WITH contagion (A 10% magic damage boost every minute for 15 seconds). If SMN didn't have that ability, bless them - they'd be doing even worse. RDM is just superior to SMN in almost every way. The only thing RDM's lack is a way to buff magic classes, but lets face it, tanks and melee dps tend to do more dps than healers or casters to begin with and at least their buff is an instant cast and you don't have to fight retarded pet AI to get it off. Contagion is a piece of shit to use. According to the parses on fflogs, SMN is the 2nd least played(or parsed) classed after MCH and to compound the above problems playing SMN below 70 is complete crap.

Now, regarding the BLM situation, I would hope it does similar to SAM dps. It is silly that samurai is able to dish out the damage they do whilst not being as heavily as affected by mechanics like BLM is. At the same time, I see no reason why SMN should be so low in the standings of dps when it IS harder than both BLM and RDM to maximise your damage. Once MCH/DRG are buffed, if no changes are made to SMN, it'd be bottom of the dps being beaten by BRD and MCH across most levels of play and that's just sad. There will always be 1 class that is the weakest, but I think it's unfair that it is summoner considering how difficult it is to execute well.

With 4.0.5, we should hopefully see both BLM's and SMN's being buffed and/or RDM's being toned down. The current standings just show RDM's complete dominance over the other 2. The only time BLM beats RDM or comes close to beating them is at the 99th percentile (BLM is ahead by 1 dps). SMN is not even involved in that contest of which caster deals the most dps. It's sitting in a solid 3rd place.

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Originally Posted by Tman00

There is no reason why BLM shouldn't be top DPS when standing still. Freaking SAM beats us in dummy fights too! There is no reason why a BLM that can minimize downtime shouldn't be on the top of the DPS. Thats why I said we needed potency increases across the board. We need to catch up and the only way to catch up is to hit even harder.

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Couldn't agree more. The turret caster should be the best in the game at blowing things up when it is able to stand still, by a wide margin. Mechanics hurt BLM efficiency way, way more than SAM.

Man, how ridiculous (and ultimately infuriating) would it be if Leylines gave the same bonus to your caster allies?

Utility, but then all those mechanics get centered on our safe space. :(

I don't think RDM need a nerf. BLM and SMN should just be brought in line with RDM due to the fact that RDM is a pure implementation of SE's new design philosophy on classes. To then Nerf RDM would imply that the old way is better; which it is clearly not.

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Originally Posted by Kabooa

Man, how ridiculous (and ultimately infuriating) would it be if Leylines gave the same bonus to your caster allies?

Utility, but then all those mechanics get centered on our safe space. :(

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Or have Leylines be a 25y buff to everyone but bring down the potency of the GCD reduction, think AOE Arrow. Don't know how OP that would be but it's one way to go about it.

Personally I would prefer that SE does not give us utility and instead just model BLM like what they did to SAM. No utility but extremely high DPS potential.

Hm maybe they could replace Freeze with Raging Spells?

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Originally Posted by soslinky

Personally I would prefer that SE does not give us utility and instead just model BLM like what they did to SAM. No utility but extremely high DPS potential.

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I'd like that. Honestly though that's already what they did. They removed all job specific utility, so by all rights, Blm should be equal to Sam on their dps output.

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Originally Posted by Core1019

Hm maybe they could replace Freeze with Raging Spells?

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I agree, but at least freeze does damage, what does tether do?

Can confirm.
In addition to all the changes already suggested on this thread about BLM buffs, perhaps one of the things they could add would be some sort of damage reduction/knockback immunity when standing on ley lines? It is our "safe spot" after all.

I just want to be a turret.

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Originally Posted by Core1019

Hm maybe they could replace Freeze with Raging Spells?

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Or give it the additional effect of Deep Freeze so we can lock shit down? Oh wait not balanced.

The way to fix BLM is not to turn it into RDM by giving it utility. We need damage and we need some refining on our cooldowns and mobility stuff. That's it. No cures, no resses no leylines buffing the party. Just make the job fun to play and not restrictive as hell.

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Originally Posted by OgruMogru

We need damage and we need some refining on our cooldowns and mobility stuff.

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Blm always was stationary - I can understand the demands for dmg buffs and cd-reduces (last more or less...) but mobility is as a-typisch for blms as utilities...

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Originally Posted by OgruMogru

Just make the job fun to play and not restrictive as hell.

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You don't wanna end up like Brd, do you?... hell fun to play but dps to the ground... every cls got a backdrop somewhere - excluding sam/rdm atm ^^'

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Originally Posted by Neela

Blm always was stationary - I can understand the demands for dmg buffs and cd-reduces (last more or less...) but mobility is as a-typisch for blms as utilities...


You don't wanna end up like Brd, do you?... hell fun to play but dps to the ground... every cls got a backdrop somewhere - excluding sam/rdm atm ^^'

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By mobility spells I mean Aetherial Manipulation and Between the Lines. Y'know the spells that have always been described as mobility spells. I don't mean I want us to be able to run and cast, that's not the point at all. Just let us utilize the skills we already have more effectively! I want Blm to be the casting equivalent of Sam. So no utility and high DPS. I want to still be punished for messing up and not knowing a fight but I want that to be on me, not on the incredibly restrictive timers that we're dealing with at the moment which are completely at odds with the way fights are put together.