Possible patch delay

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Originally Posted by Sephrick

It's not like we set the timeline. No one but Square Enix is in charge of it. There's no reason for them to set deadlines they can't meet. Back when they decided to do all of this a year ago, they should have planned it so that they were working a patch ahead of themselves. So that way when they release 1.19, they're actually finishing 1.20.

That's why people get so annoyed at these constant delays. It's SE who decides when they should be released, and no one else. They should be able to meet their own deadlines. If they were smart, they'd have said 1.20 was coming at the end of December from the start. That way when they deliver it around the 16th, they look like heroes.

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In most cases you would be right. Just not this time. This team is doing 2 major projects at once. They are consistantly working to keep there promise to those of us who bought this game at release by generating fixes and new content under the current set up. At the same time they are working on developing a whole new game from the ground up that will incorporate these changes. If you remember back to last January we told Yoshida, via the poll, that we agreed with the concept of a totally rewrite of the game. At the same time SE has other projects in the works. While doing all of this SE has allowed us to play and develope our characters for free when the smart buisness decision would have been to shut the game down and try again. If this sounds like a lovefest for Yoshida and his team then so be it. I can accept these delays so that they can get it right.

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Originally Posted by Rizon

I am a firm supporter of the MH but these changes were needed plus several more to come at a later date. Getting it right is the primary thing. I can wait.

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i know and i agree. but i was disappointed and looking for some1 to blame. today i'm not i such a finger pointing mood :P

P.S. it would have been to easy to jump on the "hate SE bandwagon" that is why i blamed them that pushed for the market changes instead

all right biggs, compare ffxiv to cod. They cost the same !
Seriusly, lolwut. I didn't liked skyrim, but that don't mean i shoul compare it to a mmorpg.
ANY mmorpg.

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Originally Posted by yukikaze_yanagi

all right biggs, compare ffxiv to cod. They cost the same !
Seriusly, lolwut. I didn't liked skyrim, but that don't mean i shoul compare it to a mmorpg.
ANY mmorpg.

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What's your point? MW3 just made a billion dollars in 16 days. It has more engaging multiplayer than XIV. I can even team up with friends for challenging PvE content. Plus, MW3 is a lot like XIV when it first released in that we have a character level and a level for each weapon.

What's not to compare? RPG elements are in most games these days. As MW3 shows, if a grind is done properly those nasty "casual gamers" don't mind a grind.

Only difference is Activision takes their flagship titles seriously and understands do-overs aren't likely.

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Originally Posted by Sephrick

What's your point? MW3 just made a billion dollars in 16 days. It has more engaging multiplayer than XIV. I can even team up with friends for challenging PvE content. Plus, MW3 is a lot like XIV when it first released in that we have a character level and a level for each weapon.

What's not to compare? RPG elements are in most games these days. As MW3 shows, if a grind is done properly those nasty "casual gamers" don't mind a grind.

Only difference is Activision takes their flagship titles seriously and understands do-overs aren't likely.

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Exactly. PLus 1 man. Its not like I am comparing cats to the planet mars here. We are talking about games within the same genre. Both have very similar elements in game design and Playability. Certainly I understand that SE is making every attempt to repair what was done, and I applaud them for having the balls to do what no other major gaming company has ever done (that I know of) by doing so. I hope that they are successful in every way and we get the game we were hoping for. But its only natural when mistakes are made that people will make comparisons.

Lets hope this next patch bring thems one step closer to reaching their goal when it is finally released. (See how I used that last part to stay on topic? :p)

Hey guys. I wanted to come in here with the official translations from Yoshida about the 1.20 patch release date.
Thank you for your patience while waiting for our translations.

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Originally Posted by Naoki_Yoshida

Hi, this is Producer/Director Yoshida here.

My apologies to everyone with regards to the release date of patch 1.20.
Up until now we have been working on finalizing patch 1.20, however while we were doing this we discovered a few critical issues related to the market search and servers. Up until yesterday we were carrying out fixes, but today we are going to have to carry out one more round of checks as it's important for us to get back to a stabilized condition.

Unfortunately we can confirm that it will take a minimum of 2 days to clear this up, therefore the patch that was scheduled for release on Dec 14th will now be scheduled for Dec 16th at the earliest. My sincerest apologies for this unexpected delay.

We will make a topic announcement sometime today with a more defined date. Again I am really sorry to have to tell you this right before the release.
I'm going to get back to work on coordinating the fixes for the release so please bare with us for just a little more.

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And here is his most recent update:

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Originally Posted by Naoki_Yoshida

Hello, this is Yoshida, the producer/director.

I apologize sincerely for the troubles we have caused by our delay of patch 1.20. At first, we decided that it would be possible to release the patch on the 14th, but upon our final master QA inspection we discovered a critical bug that required fixing before the release of the patch.
(The bug occurs with low frequency only when the system is heavily loaded, so it took us a long time to discover it.)

In order to remove the affected area and release the patch without the bug, we would have to mask the affected program codes and completely re-inspect the entire patch. Doing so would likely push back the release date further than if we fixed the bug, so we decided to fix the bug. Fortunately, the bug has already been fixed, so we can confirm another release date as long as no further problems are discovered in tomorrow’s QA inspection.
(With that said, I cannot say anything else for certain until the inspection is completed, so please wait until tomorrow for an update.)

There is also a seasonal event included in this patch, so I would like to release the patch by this weekend for players to enjoy.

I am very sorry that my miscalculations have caused a lot of trouble. From here on out, I will be more careful in my calculations before announcing a definite release date. We appreciate your continued support.

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Originally Posted by Rukkirii

Hey guys. I wanted to come in here with the official translations from Yoshida about the 1.20 patch release date.
Thank you for your patience while waiting for our translations.

And here is his most recent update:

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Thank you Rukkirii!

*cartwheels away into a star*

edit: Tis' strange. Your post does not show up on the front page tracker (yet). Ninja opo!

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Originally Posted by Rukkirii

Hey guys. I wanted to come in here with the official translations from Yoshida about the 1.20 patch release date.
Thank you for your patience while waiting for our translations.



And here is his most recent update:

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Thank you for the translations!

Lemme guess, you all talking about Skyrim cuz someone stole your sweetroll...

there are a lot more posts that Reinheart has been translating all morning, which has been posted a few times already

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...l=1#post479536

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Originally Posted by Rukkirii

Hey guys. I wanted to come in here with the official translations from Yoshida about the 1.20 patch release date.
Thank you for your patience while waiting for our translations.



And here is his most recent update:

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For Yoshi-P, don't worry about "miscalculation" of release dates, 2 days doesn't count as miscalculation. :D
I much prefer the rough estimate of December 14th than none at all. ;)

Keep up your great work devs!

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Originally Posted by Brainriot

Lemme guess, you all talking about Skyrim cuz someone stole your sweetroll...

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I used to talk about Skyrim like you, but I took an arrow in the knee...

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Originally Posted by Avraym

Theres been countless replies where people are saying, "Its fine".

I count that as defending.

I'm just annoyed for 2 reasons.
1) Patch delay has a strong history in FFXIV
2) I'm not going to be able to play until 6 days after the release now and was keen to play 1.20 before then. Its just bad timing.

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1) should be used to it then
2) 6 days isnt really that long

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Originally Posted by Alerith

I'm surprised I'm not hearing a little more happiness (or any response) from mages. The I, II, III, IV tier system has gone away, and they've gone the FFVIII route of pure 'Base' '-ra' '-ga' spells, all of which scale with your level.

I'm no mage player, but the spell lists for both look pretty damn nice.


Also, as a Gladiator main, I'm seeing options for a lot more teamwork in longer battles. Our seemingly two heaviest hitting WS are best used behind tells me we aren't supposed to have hate in the beginning, and that it's going to be a combined, dual tanking effort.

That, or they just opened up a bit more DD options for GLA.

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Now that you mention it, the changes to the spell lists as well as the action and trait lists in general look really good.

I like how the various elemental spells have different effects. While its nice throwing a lightning spell at an obviously water-based enemy, most of the time I'm fighting stuff that doesn't have an elemental affinity. So I just throw out whatever spell I have since they do the same thing. But not anymore. Now I'm going to be able to pick from a variety of elemental spells with different effects, with my choice depending on the current conditions of the battle and the strategy I'm employing.

We won't know for sure until we get a chance to get used to the new system, but right now I think battles could potentially end up being a lot more fun.

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Originally Posted by Thanos

1) should be used to it then
2) 6 days isnt really that long

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I used to go outside, then I took an arrow to the knee. >_>

Seriously, I anticipate the reindeer suits :D

I'd like to think most of the players agree with me in saying "No problem Yoshi P". I honestly don't mind that it has to be pushed back a day (Well... I do wish I could have the update sooner, but I know it's not possible), but I do appreciate the transparency and openness.

I appreciate being told what's going on, even if it mean a promised release date has to be changed. This openness is what will save FFXIV, so never be afraid to let us know what's up :)

thank god. i get to finish finals...

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Originally Posted by Urthdigger

I'd like to think most of the players agree with me in saying "No problem Yoshi P". I honestly don't mind that it has to be pushed back a day (Well... I do wish I could have the update sooner, but I know it's not possible), but I do appreciate the transparency and openness.

I appreciate being told what's going on, even if it mean a promised release date has to be changed. This openness is what will save FFXIV, so never be afraid to let us know what's up :)

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To bad most ppl gonna think your white-knighting cause of that(lol never typed those 2 words together before....)
but yeah shit happens and sometimes you have to deal with it.

Even though I don't agree with the way they're handling a lot of things, I really do appreciate it when they're being upfront about what's going on. It makes things a lot less frustrating.

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Originally Posted by Urthdigger

I'd like to think most of the players agree with me in saying "No problem Yoshi P". I honestly don't mind that it has to be pushed back a day (Well... I do wish I could have the update sooner, but I know it's not possible), but I do appreciate the transparency and openness.

I appreciate being told what's going on, even if it mean a promised release date has to be changed. This openness is what will save FFXIV, so never be afraid to let us know what's up :)

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You would think more people would appreciate taking the time to issue content right after such a disastrous beginning over a year ago. How soon people forget...

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Originally Posted by AmyRae

You would think more people would appreciate taking the time to issue content right after such a disastrous beginning over a year ago. How soon people forget...

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how soon we forget. ppl are fickle

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Originally Posted by AmyRae

You would think more people would appreciate taking the time to issue content right after such a disastrous beginning over a year ago. How soon people forget...

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they wont, i like 90% of what the dev team does, they work hard and they are doing 2 projects at once and people seem to forget that.

At least this gives me a 2 day headstart on the latest patch for FFXI. As it is I am going to have to spend my days on FFXIV and my nights on FFXI just to get cought up on everything. Want to have everything shipshape prior the the release of FFXIII-2 at the end of January

Should always take all the time you need to fix bugs, screw the complainers =D

Yoshi has the right mind.

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Originally Posted by Nakiamiie

I used to talk about Skyrim like you, but I took an arrow in the knee...

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I never thought I'd wish for Chuck Norris jokes to make a comeback.

I don't blame them, better to have the patch come later then crash even more hen playing.
( I say even more because I already crash a lot on account of the server error thingy mabob)

Sigh~
Back to watching the clock.

Don't know why some ppl get so bent out of shape about this "delay". Unless i missed something, there was never a solid date to begin with. Some people are taking an estimate to be exact. Until a date for maintenance or something is posted on the Lodestone that is failed to be realized, there is nothing to be upset about. And even then......really? Lol

Every time SE delays a patch they should have to post a screenshot from 2.0. wishful thinking.... :P

gives me more time to stock up on colbalt ore faster

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Originally Posted by Vegas_Kingpin

thank god. i get to finish finals...

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Seconded. I was hoping for an end-of-week release rather than today. This way I can get to sleep at a decent time and be able to focus on finals. Get off work early on Friday and BAM, all weekend to tear through 1.20.

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Originally Posted by Eli_Jin

Seconded. I was hoping for an end-of-week release rather than today. This way I can get to sleep at a decent time and be able to focus on finals. Get off work early on Friday and BAM, all weekend to tear through 1.20.

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Except that Yoshida said he will try to push it out during the weekend, if at all possible.

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Originally Posted by Mug

Well, the best solution (in my opinion) would be to give themselves more time. If every patch gets delayed by 2-3 weeks, then maybe they should give themselves 2-3 extra weeks to begin with. That way, if they manage to get it ready earlier they could release it ahead of time and everyone would be happy.

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Standard business practice. Underpromise, overdeliver. Looks better for them and keeps us happy.

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Originally Posted by Rubicon

Millhouse will never be a meme.

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Originally Posted by Rowyne

I never thought I'd wish for Chuck Norris jokes to make a comeback.

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it would help if either were actually ever funny too lol

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Originally Posted by Bahn

Standard business practice. Underpromise, overdeliver. Looks better for them and keeps us happy.

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Business as usual.

I still lold hard when Yoshida promised to be ~more careful with dates~, what?, doesn't he mean ~work harder to avoid delays~??? Very naive...

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Originally Posted by Ilean

Business as usual.

I still lold hard when Yoshida promised to be ~more careful with dates~, what?, doesn't he mean ~work harder to avoid delays~??? Very naive...

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More careful with dates probably = not tell us until all testing is finished most likely.

So less information because we cannot handle it, and much more things hidden. Because people just do not understand how programing works, and think a set deadline in programing actually means anything.

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Originally Posted by Xatsh

More careful with dates probably = not tell us until all testing is finished most likely.

So less information because we cannot handle it, and much more things hidden. Because people just do not understand how programing works, and think a set deadline in programing actually means anything.

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yes this. i see a million threads at the end of jan. "when is the next patch" or "its almost feb, are we still getting a patch" and i see a million unhappy faces as we are met with silence

Every person who cries about the delays are just encouraging the developers to clam up more and more. At least in XI we didn't get our hopes up because they never told us anything...ever.

WE CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!!!

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Originally Posted by Xatsh

More careful with dates probably = not tell us until all testing is finished most likely.

So less information because we cannot handle it, and much more things hidden. Because people just do not understand how programing works, and think a set deadline in programing actually means anything.

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I know this. It's just that Yoshida instead of telling us they will work extra hard from now on to avoid delays, just plain admitted that he will be more conservative with release dates, aka pad them just in case delays happen or not tell us at all until the patch is 100%ready to ship.

I know it's the nice and honest thing to do, but we just don't do it, any of my bosses would have chewed me up real bad for that kind of wording. :D