Male Armor Sets too flamboyant. Bring full armor back!

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Originally Posted by Whiteroom

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All I really needed was a yes or no, so I only read your last paragraph and to be fair, I only questioned it because someone brought it up. Like, did men wear corsets during the World Wars or wars way back before then. Final Fantasy XIV did try to keep things in the realm of "this makes sense for what it is" realism, despite being a fantasy game. Though I feel things kinda went downhill after Soldiery gear was released.

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Originally Posted by Nestama

All I really needed was a yes or no, so I only read your last paragraph and to be fair, I only questioned it because someone brought it up. Like, did men wear corsets during the World Wars or wars way back before then. Final Fantasy XIV did try to keep things in the realm of "this makes sense for what it is" realism, despite being a fantasy game. Though I feel things kinda went downhill after Soldiery gear was released.

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Oh, it had seemed to me that you asked a simple question about real world batlle protction, that has little or no crossover relevance to fantasy, as a means of proving a point. Sorry it it was a random question that had noting to do with the threads subject. I merely responded to say that the ideals of real world battle can't really be applied to fantasy battle, as there is a lot more to consider.

But by realism, do you mean traditional? I don't find running around all day in something like the Darksteel set to be realistic, do you.

May I ask you a simple question. If someone were to attack you with an electircal or fire based attack. Would you rather be fully incased in metal, or leather?

Personally I don't mind the shiva gear for healers, makes me a sexy Au Ra ;). Thought the gear for smn could be a little more scary like more of a Bahamut style ( the 3rd coil gear doesn't count) with wings that show up when we go into trance. O and the ability to breath fire when we equip it.

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Originally Posted by Brannigan

http://i.imgur.com/ian1RwF.jpg

I would like this to be the next paladin set. Gender differences included. Actually, they should just use all the FFT designs with the gender differences. The salty rage will burn these forums to the ground once and for all even though they all look rad.

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Actually, just about all of the FFT sets are lightly gendered in good ways. People complained about the sexist gendering on the DRG AF1 set because it was, well, randomly sexist. Gendered != sexist. Also, it wasn't a slightly different design that was a slightly different take on the same armor. It was the same exact armor with the middle cut out.

I'm one of those women who are strongly opposed to (and bothered by) stuff like the NIN AF1 pants and the DRG AF1 chest, and I'd love it if they implemented the FFT sets and had them look different on different genders despite being the same armor piece.


EDIT: (That said, skirts are traditional, real life male medium/heavy armor pieces... This game generally depicts them accurately, and they are definitely not "feminine.")

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Originally Posted by Evangela

Full armors need to go away. I'd rather look good than being strong. I'm playing FF, not some boring WRPG.

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Exactly! I need to look good while destorying my enemies. It's basic JRPG law, less clothings means more defense.

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Originally Posted by Whiteroom

May I ask you a simple question. If someone were to attack you with an electrical or fire based attack. Would you rather be fully incased in metal, or leather?

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For electricity, metal all the way. Faraday suits provide pretty good protection.

http://thechronicleherald.ca/sites/d...7R1FEU6.11.jpg

Against fire both are useless but burning leather will be easier to rip off after the spell has hit.

And it's not only magic we are against. The game has guns! Nothing will realistically protect against those so it all comes down to aesthetics.

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Originally Posted by Reinha

For electricity, metal all the way. Faraday suits provide pretty good protection.

http://thechronicleherald.ca/sites/d...7R1FEU6.11.jpg

Against fire both are useless but burning leather will be easier to rip off after the spell has hit.

And it's not only magic we are against. The game has guns! Nothing will realistically protect against those so it all comes down to aesthetics.

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Exactly, even the Faraday suit has a specific design though. I totally agree that we take such a variety of attacks, that no one style of armor could be considered the best. So, why is one better, well lets just go with magic, or some technology/material unknown to us. I simply went with leather as you get a lot of things like welding aprons and gloves made of leather, so a little bit better than bare skin or metal.

Really i was just pointing out to him though, that thinking of it in terms of real wolrd history is foolish since every bit of protective gear was designed to protect against real world attacks. None of our traditional armors were designed with fighting Sephirot, Titan, Ramuh, etc in mind. So to say "Is this what they used to wear?" is either derpy or trolly, considering they weren't fighting 40 foot tall, 6 armed, magical gods...

Whiteroom, LadyVal's answer is actually the type of answer I wanted. My last sentence was then a personal opinion towards the Lore gear again.

http://i.imgur.com/4tEJ47q.png

I don't like it and it's a shame it's going to be glamoured over instantly.

The creator of this thread should, in all good conscience, flog himself with a frozen tuna for projecting this ridiculous level of insecurity of his masculinity.

There's a reason that Duke Nukem comeback game flopped so badly. Real men grew up.

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Originally Posted by Nestama

Whiteroom, LadyVal's answer is actually the type of answer I wanted. My last sentence was then a personal opinion towards the Lore gear again.

http://i.imgur.com/4tEJ47q.png

I don't like it and it's a shame it's going to be glamoured over instantly.

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Wow... I've gotta say, it does look pretty bad on a male Roe. :(

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Originally Posted by Rowyne

Wow... I've gotta say, it does look pretty bad on a male Roe. :(

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It really does, but male characters are not the intended demographic for this primal set.

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Originally Posted by Hayward

The creator of this thread should, in all good conscience, flog himself with a frozen tuna for projecting this ridiculous level of insecurity of his masculinity.

There's a reason that Duke Nukem comeback game flopped so badly. Real men grew up.

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Yeah how dares he have opinions about aesthetics. Lets all insult him!

I don't know, I think we can do something good with some other piece of gear, no?

http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/572872shivagear.jpg

Of course, some pieces must be dyed for better result but isn't it okay?

The only thing i really don't like are shoes, but mostly because you wear high heels but you remain at the same height. So basically these shoes cut your feet...

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Originally Posted by Rowyne

Wow... I've gotta say, it does look pretty bad on a male Roe. :(

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It looks patently ridiculous on me as well. This outfit was clearly not designed with males in mind at all.

http://puu.sh/nCvod/f337ef8e1c.jpghttp://puu.sh/nCvmW/58c92535a0.jpg

It's a good thing I'm already accustomed to glamming over healer gear...

While I agree the Shiva lore outfit looks pretty bad on manroes, I don't think it looks bad on all men. I think the biggest problems are the gloves and the boots.

With Gloves and boots:
http://i.imgur.com/eFb0mhF.png

Without Gloves and boots: (Looked weird without any shoes at all, so chose something without a heel, ignore the colors)
http://i.imgur.com/B1aoHgC.png

Without the gloves and boots, I think the set looks a lot more masculine. It heavily benefits from the one missing sleeve (which gets more or less fixed by the gloves if you wear them), because it shows off that one arm, which accentuates the muscles. And just wearing slightly less flashy shoes with lower heels helps a lot. It's hard to find boots that don't rise up to your crotch, so I made do with what I had.

All that said, I think it works on male miqo'te because their figures aren't as extreme as Roes, which are muscle giants without a figure.

I don't know what to say, I only like the arms but I hate the rest of it :(

http://puu.sh/nCxOy/2fcdc6ab50.PNG

................................................... I think I will be glamour it on my male character O_O
I also really don't like the tank lore chest on males, while on females it looks really nice, that opening on the chest for males is like saying: " I am sorry you don't have it to make this armor look good" or "you really need to get them bigger" ._______.

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Originally Posted by Eul

I don't know what to say, I only like the arms but I hate the rest of it :(

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Lol, he's giving you a stinkeye there. "Dafuq did you just dress me in?"

"Armor set wasn't intended for male characters" / "Not enough resources to make every primal" ...

>> Looking at F2P games with similar incomes and combat content outputs, but with higher res, higher poly, more layered, more interesting, and race- and gender-specific versions of every piece of gear that drop from them. Hmm.

Or, should I just go back to blaming PS3s for the absolute shit cloth physics we're stuck with? On anyone but a Galk/lander, that's really all that annoys me to death about the Shiva set. Or most sets. Dress a roided bodybuilder in drag if you like, but at least have respect for physics when you go to the trouble of putting weights on the points of its... coat-tails?

Some of us enjoy the flamboyant gear, in my opinion i find it hilarious. (and sexy on some characters)
I mean Square is known for their revealing male outfits in their games. I'm sporting my Hellfire top with manly pride as we speak and I'm loving it lol. For those of you asking for it to be fixed, watch out cause Yoshi might troll you and cover that tiddy window with some lovely fishnet.
In my opinion the most alluring thing with this game to me is the whole "if girls are put in metal bikinis so will the men!" mentality.
I'd love if we could go away from gender locked content and pretty much wear w.e we'd like, just like in the real world. Seeing roe's in the Thravnian gear would be super sweet. But until then i'm alright with looking like a sexy fire primal and pretty ice princess.

I am all for sexy stuff for males too, but a good combination of, but that small opening to show the nipples isn't sexy, it's just put badly. It's how they combine the things for males. The hellfire set could be much better, and not by just covering, it's just that small opening at the chest doesn't make it sexy, it makes it like: oh we didn't know where to put the opening so we just give it like males would have breasts... and my main's husband's healer's attire is the sexiest thing ever, the hampen pants (aura style), and nothing else - he is sexy by that, with the hellfire chest... he is like - NO... take all that off. it's better

This game really lacking proper armor style for men. It's like everything is designed for females. I know this is my personal opinion and many like this style however I noticed it becomes worse and worse. That Ifrit set is hilarious. Fortunately we have glamours and I find the Midas set way more attractive even though it doesn't really resembles a proper heavy armor. I'm saying that male glamour becomes too limited from patch to patch. Other mmorpgs have way more attractive male armor styles without being too revealing. SE can easily take some ideas from other games. The other thing with the Lore gear that highly disappointing me is that only 3 primal became sets and almost everyone looks the same. That "limited" resource thing must be stopped as an excuse really. If a game like this with so high profits and so many subscribers has so limited resources that can't even designed armor sets properly then something is really wrong.

Regarding Hailstrome Gear
Looking at the gear on the different races, I can only come to one conclusion:

it's all in the hips.

Take a look at the Roegadyn Male and the Highlander Male. Both look pretty atrocious, right? But then look at the Miqo'te. Somehow, it's more fitting on the Miqo'te than the other two.

This seems to have to do, with as far as my eyes can tell, the cut of the outfit. The way it goes further to the side, revealing more of the midsection underneath, creates a very unflattering effect.

Compare that to the miqo'te, who has it more central in the cut than the other two due to a more narrow waist, and in my opinion therein is the heart of the issue with the outfit.

It's not that it looks bad, it was just very badly cut for males.

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I already siad my opinion on the Hellfire sests ;3c I think they sexy and my mancat proudly wears it.

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Originally Posted by Riardon

This game really lacking proper armor style for men. It's like everything is designed for females.

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Well, was it not said by the dev team some time ago that they design gear for females first or something?

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Originally Posted by Ashkendor

It looks patently ridiculous on me as well. This outfit was clearly not designed with males in mind at all.

http://puu.sh/nCvod/f337ef8e1c.jpghttp://puu.sh/nCvmW/58c92535a0.jpg

It's a good thing I'm already accustomed to glamming over healer gear...

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I fail to see the problem. It's smoking hot.

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Originally Posted by Synrin

I fail to see the problem. It's smoking hot.

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yea, Au'ra / Miqo'te it seems to look good on.

It's the Roegadyn and Hyur it doesn't seem to match?

also, I see we share similar tastes :3

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Originally Posted by SpiritMuse

Personally I like the sexy chest window and I'm glad to see more things that aren't huge bulky tin cans. :D

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That reminds me of the time where i was using a melded “Heavy Darksteel Armor” for my paladin, before i got the “Valor Surcoat”. Even though it had a nice look, the issue i had with it, was that i couldn’t turn my head in it. So, i was always looking straight forward (with a very stiff upper body). It looked awkward. (^_^; ) Since the Heavy Darksteel Armor took up both a body and a headpiece slot, i couldn’t change the type of helmet i wanted to use.

It took me a while to get used to the flamboyant look of the AF2 Paladin gear, but i got used to it in the end.

http://i.imgur.com/yZLj6B4.png
http://i.imgur.com/fAyEqRb.png

Personally, i prefer to look a little less flamboyant as a tank, but still have a certain fantasy feel to it. Something like this:

Paladin Valor Set (iLvl90):
http://i.imgur.com/zKOgFLY.png
http://i.imgur.com/1GKLqdF.png

Serpent Elite Set (iLvl70):
http://i.imgur.com/1p359VD.png
http://i.imgur.com/u9TV8rJ.png

Orthodox Set of Fending (iLvl 136):
http://i.imgur.com/bZxZjoh.png

Right now i’m using a mixture of the Defiant Duelist Set (iLvl 185) with the Prototype Midas gear:

http://i.imgur.com/zFnSPHi.png

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y27...ealingGear.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y27...endingGear.jpg

Looks perfectly fine on my guy. :cool:

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Originally Posted by Emmanellain

In my opinion the most alluring thing with this game to me is the whole "if girls are put in metal bikinis so will the men!" mentality.

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And yes, this is what ultimately sold me on this game - when I realized the Coliseum gear was as skimpy looking on the men as it was on the women.

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Originally Posted by SpiritMuse

Looks perfectly fine on my guy. :cool:

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To be fair.... us elezen look good in nearly anything the game throws at us. ;)

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Originally Posted by Eidolon

also, I see we share similar tastes :3

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Great minds think alike.

Although I would agree that the new lore sets do not exactly flatter male with imposing figures.

You can never satisfy every gamer. A new set comes, some people will love it, some will hate it, most will be meh.
Be glad that there are actually NEW models, and not just recolor/texture of old ones....like the new dungeon set for drg, that is pure white and boring version of aery set.
You're never gonna like every new set you need to get, your only option will be glamor, that will never ever change; just use whatever you like, until something better/new comes along.
I agree though that the Ifrit tank set is kind of meh, and the PVP set is hideous (i know ppl that love it) the Eikon set looks better, so i'd use that.
And then there's the thing with using gear that looks good on your character - not all gear matches every look, it's the same with hair-styles, and matching colors (almost nothing looks good on m-roe, because everything is designed for Hyur i guess)

The eso gear for white mage wasn't much better. Especially on a Roe. The new gear does look awesome on some races Male and Female.

But that's why I glamour everything lol.

http://i.imgur.com/2m6vBQz.jpg

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Originally Posted by Synrin

I fail to see the problem. It's smoking hot.

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I think, for me, it's the tights and boots that make it look really weird. The way the skirt is split to above the waist accentuates the huge hips and thighs on the male Au Ra model and just makes the proportions seem really off to me when combined with the tiny bootlets. It's definitely not as bad as how it looks on the Roegadyn, but to my eye it does look pretty ridiculous.

But hey, different people like different stuff and that's what glamour prisms are for. :3

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Originally Posted by Radacci

(almost nothing looks good on m-roe, because everything is designed for Hyur i guess)

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You're right, which is why we look better wearing almost nothing!

http://i.imgur.com/Dasfzhk.jpg

See? An improvement already!

You guys are going to wear that tit window armor and you're going to like it.

I don't get what you people are talking about, the Shiva set looks super hot on male characters who aren't too bulky like midlanders, miqotes, and elezen. Roes and lalas never look hot to me, so whatever. Also, my wife loves it on her male lala, but I don't know what even. I think that set was aimed at us female players, both the male and female look. Gotta have that equal opportunity eye candy! :D

The Ifrit tank set just looks bad on men. The exposed upper chest looks hot (get it?) on female non-lala characters, imo, but on the male version, for a reason I can't comprehend, they exaggerated and emphasized the exposed bits. It's like they went, "This looks a little odd on men. Let's highlight that!" What makes no sense to me is that the new tank PvP set has the same exposed bosom thing on women which looks fine, but the male version just lacks that bit and also looks great. Why was it done so differently for the Ifrit set?

The Ifrit crotch window is just terrible and stupid on both men and women. It totally doesn't belong.

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Originally Posted by MagiusNecros

There aren't enough full plate suits for caster classes though. So I have been living the dress armor for a while now.

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Can we have some solidarity for this post please? Like... I main BLM. The i220 crafted set probably has the most metal I have ever seen on a piece of Casting gear, because most of our stuff are robes and skirts and stuff like that. Which is fine, but I would prefer to at LEAST have an option to wear some plate mail.

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Originally Posted by MagiusNecros

There aren't enough full plate suits for caster classes though. So I have been living the dress armor for a while now.

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Originally Posted by HakuroDK

Can we have some solidarity for this post please? Like... I main BLM. The i220 crafted set probably has the most metal I have ever seen on a piece of Casting gear, because most of our stuff are robes and skirts and stuff like that. Which is fine, but I would prefer to at LEAST have an option to wear some plate mail.

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It's amusing that Highlanders and Roegadyn look best in either next to nothing at all or in "tin can" outfits.

Honestly, I would like to see at least a few "magical tin can" outfits at some point in the future. Tanks have all the heavy plate armor looking gear, why not give casters a light plate armor appearance?

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Originally Posted by Roegadyn_Bear

It's amusing that Highlanders and Roegadyn look best in either next to nothing at all or in "tin can" outfits.

Honestly, I would like to see at least a few "magical tin can" outfits at some point in the future. Tanks have all the heavy plate armor looking gear, why not give casters a light plate armor appearance?

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I totally agree with this, most of the cloth looking stuff looks malformed on male roes. Most of my glamours are half naked, it just works.

I also have an issue with some gear not really matching the job either. I wasn't happy with the ninja void ark gear.

http://i.imgur.com/GM8CHkk.jpg?1

This is one of the only "flamboyant" pieces of tank armor they've ever introduced (and that's ultimately subjective anyway: I think it looks fine). Really, we've had too much full armor ever since HW dropped, in my opinion. The heavier stuff frequently looks strange on smaller races, so I'm glad that they're trying some different styles.

The Midas gear introduced in this patch is fairly heavy, as is the crafted set, and of course let's not forget the new Allagan Replicas, which are classic heavy armor.

One set that's "flamboyant" doesn't equal a trend at all. It looks pretty good on everyone but male Highlanders and Roegadyns, in my opinion. But that's the thing, most armor sets look really good on some particular race and gender combinations and awful on others. I'm incredibly jealous of how good the Roegadyn DRK in my static looks in a lot of heavier armor that doesn't work on the smaller miqo'te frame.

It's all a matter of perspective and taste.