Pay for your inventory.

Have people not tried actually looking through their inventory and seeing what they can get rid of before they complain, like a proper check. Also people need to realise that the amount of people that 'hoard' items because they have all jobs at 50 is the minority, having all 50s means nothing, most people just level up something and don't bother much with only having 1 gear set which the current inventory space already accommodates for. The people who use up the inventory space like water are in the minority, SE won't see any point in adding extra servers to store that space for something the players should of been managing already.

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Have people not tried actually looking through their inventory and seeing what they can get rid of before they complain, like a proper check. Also people need to realise that the amount of people that 'hoard' items because they have all jobs at 50 is the minority, having all 50s means nothing, most people just level up something and don't bother much with only having 1 gear set which the current inventory space already accommodates for. The people who use up the inventory space like water are in the minority, SE won't see any point in adding extra servers to store that space for something the players should of been managing already.

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To the current discussion... I think SE just needs to implement a Glamour Journal instead of adding more retainers.

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This game has more inventory space than any other MMO already. Just saying.


It will never be enough space for those who like to collect/horde.

Horders gonna Horde.

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Hate to break this to you pumpkin, but you haven't the slightest clue on what you're talking about. And to add to this, even though it's not going to get through to that thick head of yours. This game right here is not EVERY OTHER MMO, this game is final fantasy XIV!. You understand that?, there is a loooooot of items in this game and definitely not enough space for a large majority of these items.

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The issue I have with this is the inventory space in this game is limited a great deal. Once all crafters are leveled your inventory will clear up a bit more aside from specific recipes you might use for profit there will be a few low end materials you keep around, Mythril, Steel, Toad/Boar leather in addition to the higher end materials.

Back during ye old materia rush for Relics, I made most of my gil selling the junk i49-50 accessories. So you have 2-3 different gems and probably a mix of NQ and HQ same with Electrum. Then theres the high-end stuff. Mosshorn DoH/L gear, Dodore leather gear. CUL for Risotto, Deviled Eggs, Buttons.

And thats just 2-3 crafters that I use for making Gil, and there are times when I switch things up depending on the market. That doesn't mean Im holding onto Animal skins, Bone chips or any super low end fairly worthless items that can be bought from vendors only when I need them.

Then look at a game like WoW, very simplified crafting system where you can only have two crafts, additional characters do not cost an additional bump in the sub, banks can now be shared between characters on the same server (I think), you can mail items to you alts(even cross server now), has a glamour system that does not require clinging to items that I am aware of(Pretty sure its near identical to Diablo 3) and they have 267 slots per character assuming max bags and people on WoW still want more inventory slots.

WoW has increased the maximum available inventory each expansion via bag size increases despite an extremely watered down crafting system that does not require many mats, does not require you to hold onto gear if you want to use it to look pretty later, and puts mounts and minions into a menu rather than inventory just like 14 but they still feel the need to increase inventory space. They even have the same vertical gear progress system for the most part.

Case in point inventory is an issue, maybe no for everyone but for some people and that does not mean they hoard. People who are interested in a wide variety of glamours or multiple crafts at multiple levels should not feel 'punished' by restrictive inventory space because SE wants to blame the server. Hell even FFXI increased storage albeit that had a very mixed gearing system.

There is a lot they can do to alleviate this issue. Add more weapons and armor to the armoire, particularly 'set' items. Allagan, High Allagan, DW, i90 relic armor. Finish and implement the Arms Guide system to tie into Glamour.

Allow us to transfer our mail with items to alternate characters, make Retainers or at least one(like a 'shared' bank) cross character (This digs into their potential money from additional retainers though and WILL NOT happen), if we have a room in a FC house allow the furnishings to actually matter. If I have an Armoire/Dresser allow it to hold x amount of armor. You cannot count the FC inventory as a player inventory unless the player expressly made their own FC and leveled it just for this, meaning it is probably a small or one player FC. Those in sizable FCs I highly doubt they are allowed to just sock away their personal crafting items in the company chest.

This is a requested feature, highly so. Just because some people do no have inventory issues does not mean that SE should be able to skirt around the issue and charge people for additional space. Taking in crafting, fishing, glamour, multiple class system the inventory space I can see the inventory system being extremely restrictive for those who are glamour happy or are primarily crafters/gatherers. There are people who pretty much only craft Mithrie Menethil is a well-known one.

SE needs to find a way to reduce the need for inventory in the glamour system, slightly increase armory slots/inventory slots, or create an inventory for crafting materials/gathered materials/fishing lures and baits. We all ready pay a sub every month, asking for additional inventory which should cost next to no time to add into the game and the load on the servers minimal compared to the option for people to have 8 retainers with full inventories including a full equipment set on them.

Stop telling SE that what they are doing is justified because it is not. Other games have given in-game only methods of increasing inventory alongside paid methods, WoW, FFXI, etc. SE needs to start following this example and not wall it entirely through cash methods. Keep retainers at 50:50 split, If you can have 8 total retainers, 4 are hired with gil, 4 with cash. 6 retainers, 3 with gil, 3 with cash. Just like how we have 2:2 right now.

Sorry for the long post but SE has been dragging their feet on this for a long time and it is very reminiscent of the 'Eternal Bonding' bomb shell was that some of the features would be hidden behind a pay wall what, a week before drop? How is this different, Yoshi P has been saying for a while inventory has been a problem and a week before drop it turns out they have corrected it if you feel like giving them extra money.

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Hate to break this to you pumpkin, but you haven't the slightest clue on what you're talking about. And to add to this, even though it's not going to get through to that thick head of yours. This game right here is not EVERY OTHER MMO, this game is final fantasy XIV!. You understand that?, there is a loooooot of items in this game and definitely not enough space for a large majority of these items.

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Honest question here, what developer in the right mind develops a storage system where they design it around being able to collect and store the majority of items in a game at a single time?

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Hate to break this to you pumpkin, but you haven't the slightest clue on what you're talking about. And to add to this, even though it's not going to get through to that thick head of yours. This game right here is not EVERY OTHER MMO, this game is final fantasy XIV!. You understand that?, there is a loooooot of items in this game and definitely not enough space for a large majority of these items.

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^This

Never had much of an inventory management issue in any of the many MMOs I played prior to this. That should tell you something. If it was as simple as Myth said, you wouldn't see so many complaints about storage.

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Honest question here, what developer in the right mind develops a storage system where they design it around being able to collect and store the majority of items in a game at a single time?

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Is this a serious question O.o?

All the other MMOs I've played have either had sufficient storage for the items in the game, a "glamour log", or a one-time payment to unlock more storage rather than a subscription that SE is planning for retainers.

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Hate to break this to you pumpkin, but you haven't the slightest clue on what you're talking about. And to add to this, even though it's not going to get through to that thick head of yours. This game right here is not EVERY OTHER MMO, this game is final fantasy XIV!. You understand that?, there is a loooooot of items in this game and definitely not enough space for a large majority of these items.

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Only if you; like me hoard things and trust me i hoarddddd I hoard so badly. Not as badly as others but pretty badly and I don't even glamour that much in comparison to others. It's just a bad addiction of "Oh I'll SB this later *tosses gear into gear/glamour gear retainer*" Oh and to add to this one example of SB'ing...needless to say they are STILL in my retainer which I'm actually going to desyn.. someday.. *cough*

"Oh I'll use this to craft this piece of furniture or craft this item later for gil! *tosses this mat into my crafter mats retainer then forgets about it 5 mins later*" and other similar situations. >_>;

However like someone said, basically taking time out to clear what isn't needed or used anymore should help even just a bit. Heck I tried once and found ridiculous things.... like 1 brass ingot NQ... yes..... ONE..NQ...brass..ingot... inside my retainer. :x

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I suggested one feature a while back, my thread died quickly with few responses. I suggested a loot filter. There are so many junk items in game, I find myself often having to reserve inventory spaces for them just because of how often they find themselves in my inventory. Animal hide for example. I can delete it, shortly after, a random mob kill puts it right back.

Having a trash feature to target specific types of items would be great too.

SE really has too much clutter in this game for the amount of storage space. One of the problems has to go, my suggestion would help with one. Or they could just keep to the status quo and do the right thing with this choice and give us at least one free retainer.

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^This

Never had much of an inventory management issue in any of the many MMOs I played prior to this. That should tell you something. If it was as simple as Myth said, you wouldn't see so many complaints about storage.



Is this a serious question O.o?

All the other MMOs I've played have either had sufficient storage for the items in the game, a "glamour log", or a one-time payment to unlock more storage rather than a subscription that SE is planning for retainers.

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It is a serious question, actually name one that actually caters to that, it is the fault of the players for wanting so many items, theres tons of items in a game like WOW and Rift, they have way more items then this game by a long shot but the desire to have so many items do not exist in those games but it does here?, but I have not played a game where the devs will cater to people hoarding items like no tomorrow.
The current glamour system in this game actually has a nice market to it, the glamour system is a money maker for those that sell it.

You need to answer this question, why should SE pay for more storage space on their servers to cater to the minority, a minority that mostly does not manage their inventory space, this is a very realistic scenario, most people do not hoard many types of items all the time, they think they will use it when they really don't.

Umm, isn't each retainer just one dollar? Everyone is saying that you have to pay $30 a month now? If you pay $15 a month plus 6 retainers that's $21 not $30. Still a lot, but ummm...just making sure, I thought they were one dollar, not two.

Yeah this is ridiculous. I'd rather they scrap retainers and just give us a real inventory. It's a stupid 1.0 gimmick for when the retainers manned stalls and you couldn't just use a market board. A way to make the world more alive or something, but it was awful.

The game will be better off without retainers. (For the players at least. SE won't like the idea of not charging us more money)

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Yes actually.

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Okay.

The Secret World: In game money to unlock storage in both the bank and the inventory, can also pay with the cash shop. Lots of expansion potential. Also has a "glamour log" (called the dressing room)

9dragons: Storage is simply large enough to accommodate the items, or was when I played.

Pirates of the Burning Sea: Storage is large enough to hold the items, many items are useful and can be sold if not used immediately, unlike a lot of the junk and character bound things in this game. Has a glamour log.

Jade Dynasty: Cosmetic outfits have a glamour log (iirc), storage is sufficient for other items. I played this for years either way and never had storage issues. (Edit: Also, cosmetic items were different from armors with stats. You could choose to either have the cosmetic items equipped visible with the armor's stats, or the armor itself visible. This allowed you to have a full outfit worn without taking up storage)

Those are a few examples. Can name more if they aren't enough.

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Umm, isn't each retainer just one dollar? Everyone is saying that you have to pay $30 a month now? If you pay $15 a month plus 6 retainers that's $21 not $30. Still a lot, but ummm...just making sure, I thought they were one dollar, not two.

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Okay.

Those are a few examples. Can name more if they aren't enough.

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So basically, you want to break the glamour market right?

Those games also don't have a lot of meat into the game, this one actually does, you have mentioned a lot of niche games if I'm honest with a small active playerbase that will make active use of the inventory space, free to play games do not have a large amount of active players that invest into it in the long term.

This game has a lot of active players concurrently using its storage servers.
Blizzard is a powerhouse amongst the industry and is literally made of money.

You can be damn sure if all those games you mentioned had a large active concurrent playerbase using all that inventory at the same time they will not handle it.

oh look anther the sky is falling thread.

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Yes actually.

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lol the Hobbit 3 was more to mind :P.

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And besides you can't keep five glamours for every class in your current inventory.

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Shit, Fashion Fantasy is the hardest part of the game. So well played, Balipu... well played indeed....

Part of the inventory bloat in FFXIV in particular has to do with how the game works, and it's one of the primary factors that makes the game different from other MMOs on the market.

You can, and should, be every class on a single character.

Most games don't do this, and it creates problems for storage. Let's add to that though the fact that FFXIV contains no trash items (apart from allagan pieces that specifically tell you they're for vendoring). There no worthless items. Literally everything that drops can be used for something. So it will be most people's instinct to hang on to a useful item until they have a use for it. Guess what that means.

I try to clean out retainer inventories when I can, but I have two retainers (of my four) devoted entirely to crafting materials. Do I really need all that stuff? Probably not. Is it easy and convenient to figure out which things are, in fact, garbage and which are not? Nope. In fact it's a pain in the neck to figure out whether I have duplicate item stacks and am wasting space.

I realize that having an endless inventory like you have in most single player rpgs is not practical in an online game. But inventory management could be WORLDS better than it is right now. For instance, how about letting me craft using materials in my retainers' inventories? That'd solve the item stack issue right there if I could see at a glance exactly how much of everything I have without having to do an item search on Every. Single. Item. (btw you want to talk about wasting cpu time... hoo boy). How about letting me consolidate items between retainers without having to take a day to empty them out, restack everything, and put them back together again. I'm on the light side of the scale here too... there are pro crafters with all four of their retainers like this.. I only have two and I'm already struggling.

My OTHER two retainers are carrying gear. This is mostly for future glamour use. I would love to be able to just "learn" a glamour as soon as I own a piece of gear (like Diablo 3 does... man that game handles this really well). Then I wouldn't need to keep obsolete equipment around. That'd free up a ton of space. And the best part is, the tech for this is already in the game. The armoire system could easily be adapted to do this. I'd even be willing to destroy the gear I want to "learn" the glamour for. That'd be fine.

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Heck even ye olde Runescape has their inventory system under control. Stacks can be unlimited (as in not 99 items in each stack for multiple stacks of the same item but rather thousands of items in a single slot), they have a dressing room which functions as a glamour log and they have buyable bank space but they also give subscribers free bank boosters every now and again as well (including in the last week or two). They also have storage items like tackleboxes (that also hold fishing clothes, bait, exp boosting items and fish themselves) and tool belts you can attach regularly used tools (like pick axes and salt shakers) to so they never take up space again.

It's an old game, it's not pretty and it gets a lot of flack for a lot of things, but some things it does right: quest rewards (not just money and gear but long term reusable items that never stop being useful) and inventory management.

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To be honest, the "glamour market", AKA glamour system, is pretty clunky as is in my opinion. If that was the only way SE could figure out how to make crafting stay relevant in the game...well, that's just sad, and crafting prisms to me is quite frankly unsatisfying too. I am more satisfied by making gear people will actually use than making prisms to flood the market for people who are just wanting to change appearance of their gear. So it would be nice if they did an overhaul and removed the current glamour system in my opinion. Why let that hold back innovation and improvement? Glamour prisms aren't necessary to make crafting stay relevant or satisfying to people, other games have made crafting systems without needing such things.

Also, what you consider "trash" is irrelevant. The fact is, those games have storage systems that are better made than this game's system. Storage was never an issue for me in them, and I played all of those games for a long time.

And while those games may have been small, here's another example for you if you want a "trash" game with a pretty big playerbase: SWTOR.

I could foresee myself having storage issues in SWTOR though it took me a much longer time to reach that point than it did in FFXIV. However, SWTOR had unlockable storage with one time purchases in cargo holds at least, possibly other places. Can't remember for sure. Either way, once you bought it you kept it. Unlike here, where you have to rent a retainer to add on to the sub fee you're already paying.

You asked for MMOs that "cater" to people who want good storage, I gave them to you. Please don't try to cop out now by providing excuses for SE, a much larger and more successful company than any of the companies running the MMOs I mentioned. If a f2p game with a tiny budget can operate with decent storage, SE really should be able to add an extra retainer.


Edit: Also, your point about them having a smaller playerbase is pretty moot. They also have a lower income, i.e. have less money for server and storage management. We all pay SE a sub fee + they make money off the other things we buy now + they are a much more profitable company overall. If we can't get an extra retainer, if for nothing else than for a one time fee (or even better, multiple retainers for a fee, especially given that we continue to pay them a sub every month), I...really just don't know what to say.

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Heck even ye olde Runescape has their inventory system under control. Stacks can be unlimited (as in not 99 items in each stack for multiple stacks of the same item but rather thousands of items in a single slot), they have a dressing room which functions as a glamour log and they have buyable bank space but they also give subscribers free bank boosters every now and again as well (including in the last week or two). They also have storage items like tackleboxes (that also hold fishing clothes, bait, exp boosting items and fish themselves) and tool belts you can attach regularly used tools (like pick axes and salt shakers) to so they never take up space again.

It's an old game, it's not pretty and it gets a lot of flack for a lot of things, but some things it does right: quest rewards (not just money and gear but long term reusable items that never stop being useful) and inventory management.

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See, even a f2p Java game got it right xD. Come on SE. I know from my time in Runescape that that game has a LOT of items that could clutter inventory if they didn't manage the storage system right. But they did, so that's not a problem!

Well I haven't shell out any extra cash for any retainers not going to either, but the inventory could of been better optimize in general I would of have thought by know. Glamour related items there should be a chest you place said item, but it is destroyed which is then logged in that chest and able to use at anytime as a glamour piece. This alone would greatly help with inventory related issue another thing separate the DOW/DOM armory system from DOH/DOL armory with a separate tab with each gear going to there respected slot tab.

Third add a junk bag on your chocobo were you place what you consider junk you want to get rid of by sending your chocobo companion to sell off those items to free up slot and returns after a few minutes while still on the field! This imo would greatly help without the extra retainers to be able use more so to hold mats for your crafting mostly and food etc instead of glamour taking up space that it shouldn't be the case at all.

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Not once you account for having 24 different classes on the same single character, which may need their own unique armors, weapons, glamours etc. Just saying.

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This seems entirely useless to me. This isn't XI where you had to walk for hours to get anywhere. If people need to sell junk then there is a merchant in every camp to do so, and camps in every area. Not to mention the ability to just teleport to any town nearly instantly. If they were to remove teleports, and airships then yeah this would be handy but this isn't that sort of game.

Instead as someone said earlier, nearly every item has a use, and every piece of gear appeals to someone. Meaning people who like to have things on hand to craft whatever they need or those who like to change their outfits once or twice a week on each job are punished and required to pay for bag space to hold those items.

However if they were to add some sort of storage chest furniture to your private house, or attached to FC chocobo stables, and the chocobo is able to take items from you and take them directly to a storage chest, or fetch items from that chest if you were to wait a few minutes might be useful purely as another form of storage.

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Heck even ye olde Runescape has their inventory system under control. Stacks can be unlimited (as in not 99 items in each stack for multiple stacks of the same item but rather thousands of items in a single slot), they have a dressing room which functions as a glamour log and they have buyable bank space but they also give subscribers free bank boosters every now and again as well (including in the last week or two). They also have storage items like tackleboxes (that also hold fishing clothes, bait, exp boosting items and fish themselves) and tool belts you can attach regularly used tools (like pick axes and salt shakers) to so they never take up space again.

It's an old game, it's not pretty and it gets a lot of flack for a lot of things, but some things it does right: quest rewards (not just money and gear but long term reusable items that never stop being useful) and inventory management.

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The developers said the inventory limit was a speed/safety issue. If they increase the inventory then they can only sync it to disk half as much, which means if a server crashes, you "roll back" and get a lot more customer service complaints.

In older games, "stacks" were simply represented as a quantity variable. Hence "dupe'ing" bugs, especially gold dupe bugs were prevalent in pretty much every MMO at some point. Newer games actually account for all the gold and items on the servers, at the cost of intended inventory space being reduced, and the glamour systems require the game to keep track of two items, not just one.

More to the point though, almost nobody has ever played a game where the inventory space was nearly unlimited and lived to tell about it. Everyone finds a way to work around the space limitations, even if it involves making it an extreme pain in the ass.

Because:
1) Every item requires being sent across the wire. FFXIV is so responsive because there are so few items being sent. Even not-so-old (freemium) games that let you buy expansion slots, were never this fast.
2) Searching inventory and market boards are fast (market boards occasionally time out), and searches check your Retainers.

This one time, in this one other MMORPG game, I lost my dress that I had worked so hard to get and dye the right colors... and lost it to a server crash because I had just changed gear. I will never forget that.

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Edit: Also, your point about them having a smaller playerbase is pretty moot. They also have a lower income, i.e. have less money for server and storage management.

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And they pay for extra space from the pitiful amount they are given in the first place, the extra income that goes into pays for it, our sub is currently paying for the inventory we use as default and is already fulfilling its purpose for most its playerbase, the current inventory is actually enough for most people.
Most people do not kit out constantly all the jobs and have glamour sets for them, you are the one that has an issue with the games design approach which has given glamours a market and is a good thing really. Those that want to overuse the inventory space (which the default amount is actually a lot for most people even in the long term) should pay extra for it really, not every developer is a money maker like blizzard.

In this game you REALLY have to practice good inventory management.

This wouldn't be too much of an issue if the "Armoir" actually stored our Armors instead of special event items

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In this game you REALLY have to practice good inventory management.

This wouldn't be too much of an issue if the "Armoir" actually stored our Armors instead of special event items

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It also only stores some event items, not all of them meaning those of us who like to hold onto the event furniture, and random outfit pieces have far less space. I for one try to go for at-least one of every event item when events come out, and since the new summer outfit coming out will all be wearable by female characters I will be getting quite a few more items that I wont be-able to store away for some time.

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Wrong. All of those games have decent storage space to start out with. Sufficient storage space is not gated behind payment, and even if it was (as may be the case in SWTOR later on), BUYING storage space is far more acceptable to me than renting it. Renting it is especially unacceptable to me when you are already paying every month. Also, our sub pays for many things. Inventory is one thing...but: When you're approaching an expansion, sure to fill the game with even more glamour, even more junk items that end up in your inventory after every other kill, even more job locked gear for each of the many combat, crafting, and gathering classes, you don't think that maybe it would be a good idea to divert some money to increasing inventory? That's pretty important you know...

But no, they are only devoting the needed inventory (and market domination capabilities) to those willing to shell out extra cash on their monthly sub fee. I highly doubt SE is doing that just to cover extra costs because they can't afford to give a free retainer. Remember, they are a business.

Also, where are you getting those numbers? I know a lot of people who do indeed kit out and gear every job they have at 50. The fact that you CAN do so, and are even encouraged to be versatile, means that the game should be designed to allow for it without causing massive inconvenience. SE even made lots of gear sets job exclusive instead of one size fits all or even role exclusive. I enjoy playing every role to some degree and have kitted them all out. My armory chest (and now inventory) are screaming in pain, why? Because I chose to do something that SE intended for us to do if we want to. And they have not provided something to deal with it sufficiently even though they have provided the system to cause the problem.

I really don't know how the glamour market is anything other than a crutch to help crafters produce end products that people will actually buy in bulk consistently at all levels. It's a bandaid for the crafting system's failure in that regard, and it's quite inconvenient to people who like to change their outfit occasionally.

Also, not sure why you keep bringing up Blizzard. Though last I checked, FFXIV was indeed one of the more successful MMOs on the market right now.

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The developers said the inventory limit was a speed/safety issue. If they increase the inventory then they can only sync it to disk half as much, which means if a server crashes, you "roll back" and get a lot more customer service complaints.

In older games, "stacks" were simply represented as a quantity variable. Hence "dupe'ing" bugs, especially gold dupe bugs were prevalent in pretty much every MMO at some point. Newer games actually account for all the gold and items on the servers, at the cost of intended inventory space being reduced, and the glamour systems require the game to keep track of two items, not just one.

More to the point though, almost nobody has ever played a game where the inventory space was nearly unlimited and lived to tell about it. Everyone finds a way to work around the space limitations, even if it involves making it an extreme pain in the ass.

Because:
1) Every item requires being sent across the wire. FFXIV is so responsive because there are so few items being sent. Even not-so-old (freemium) games that let you buy expansion slots, were never this fast.
2) Searching inventory and market boards are fast (market boards occasionally time out), and searches check your Retainers.

This one time, in this one other MMORPG game, I lost my dress that I had worked so hard to get and dye the right colors... and lost it to a server crash because I had just changed gear. I will never forget that.

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This might have been a valid excuse 15 years ago, but with the increase of HDD space and read/write speeds, no this is not a valid point. Servers will not be taxed by adding 1-2 more inventory tabs as compared to adding 4 additional retainers that can store 1300 additional items, has its own character model, equips its own set of gear which also has to be loaded into the game, also has to keep track of the items each of them have listed on the MB. Even just 1 additional retainer fully decked would cause more of a strain on the server than adding normal inventory slots to the player character. The fact that they added the option to buy two more retainers and then just increased it to six is just proof that SE doesn't even believe that piss-poor excuse.

Inventory storage is just a database. Adding a few more lines referencing items will not cause a noticeable degradation of performance unless they are re-using old FFXI servers from back in '98. In which case they need to upgrade their hardware. The amount of data that makes up a single slot of inventory is minuscule and the responsiveness or lack there of has nothing to do with inventory data. I'd be willing to bet just your character model and position is more data sent across to the servers than having your entire player inventory completely full, max inventory stacks.

SE is willing to add additional retainers whose inventory as far as I'm away is essentially exactly like the players data usage wise and inherently uses additional data than standard inventory because Character model, equipment, venture status, items on market, gil counts vs player inventory which just holds items. This very fact proves that SE does not think additional inventory checks will tax their back-end, rather they used an issue for some and came up with a way to try and nickle and dime sub paying players for additional inventory and monthly at that. Reduce extra retainers to 6, 3 hired in game and 3 by additional costs, increase armory slots by 3 each to accommodate the new classes, add 1 additional inventory tab to the players inventory and FFS let armor 'sets' be stored in the armoire. AF, AF2, Sets like Allagan, HA, DW. Armoire data is not called during inventory checks. Clean up the clunky glamour system to obtain item, get glamour. Crafters still get people buying their items for glamour, players don't have to cling onto the same piece in case they want to use it again or sell it and risk having to purchase it again later.

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Originally Posted by IceWing

It also only stores some event items, not all of them meaning those of us who like to hold onto the event furniture, and random outfit pieces have far less space. I for one try to go for at-least one of every event item when events come out, and since the new summer outfit coming out will all be wearable by female characters I will be getting quite a few more items that I wont be-able to store away for some time.

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Ah yes, I still have veteran's reward and some other event items that have YET to be included in what you can store in the Armoir. Seriously, they develop these gear ahead of time, so why aren't they available to store in the armoir once released?

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Originally Posted by IceWing

Instead as someone said earlier, nearly every item has a use, and every piece of gear appeals to someone. Meaning people who like to have things on hand to craft whatever they need or those who like to change their outfits once or twice a week on each job are punished and required to pay for bag space to hold those items.

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So you have to physically have an item in your inventory at all times to even consider to be able to glamour item, even if no longer a BiS etc? If you already earn it the normal ways, why not have it were you go to your <example> FC personnel room or inn were its logged as mention that doesn't take room in your inventory and freely glamour at anytime like we normally do sense can teleport easy to.

I can just imagine the inventory space issues a few years from know with this mindset of having to have physical gear to be even able to glamour after you earn it already, it will never be solved if this is the case sounds like a case of gamer type hoarding disorder.

Why not just do in game retainer contracts were you can buy with gill or make with a maker class and have the option to buy with cash off mogstation that last like 30days or longer if bout from mogstation? Idk..just a thought..-.-

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Originally Posted by MythToken

This game has more inventory space than any other MMO already. Just saying.


It will never be enough space for those who like to collect/horde.

Horders gonna Horde.

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First, that's not true.

Second. Is any other game designed around the fact that every class is leveled on the same character thus creating a huge inventory problem for people, specially crafters who do what the game is suposed to be about?

Lemme think... oh yeah, FFXI.

Can you guess what other game besides XIV had enourmous inventory issues that they "solved" by making us pay for more and more every month?

Hell, even XI had a secondary inventory you could pay with ingame currency.

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Originally Posted by Ashgarth

First, that's not true.

Second. Is any other game designed around the fact that every class is leveled on the same character thus creating a huge inventory problem for people, specially crafters who do what the game is suposed to be about?

Lemme think... oh yeah, FFXI.

Can you guess what other game besides XIV had enourmous inventory issues that they "solved" by making us pay for more and more every month?

Hell, even XI had a secondary inventory you could pay with ingame currency.

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I also remember XI had storage problems as well at one point or another, people would mannequin their gears to save space and some still ran out I believe.. :x

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Originally Posted by Blissa

I am not happy about that either. So they want $13~15 a month and then another $12 to get max inventory. That's a freaking joke!

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You do not need max inventory to fully enjoy the game. Even if you craft, you can get by with the two free retainers -- it just means you have to put more effort into inventory management.

Larger inventory is just a convenience. I have all crafters to 50, so maxing my inventory out will let me not spend time sorting out what I really need and what really has value from the junk I should vendor or put on the market. It's a convenience for lazy people.

To me, even $30 a month to play FFXIV is a bargain. That's around 20 cents an hour, a far better deal than a movie or typical $60 game.

It would be nice if it were cheaper. But it would also be nice to have even more FFXIV. I will be happy to toss an extra $12 a month to the FFXIV team so they can continue to produce great expansions, and to say "Thanks!"

YMMV.

Inventory management in XI was a nightmare because each job also required multiple gear sets for maximum effectiveness. My black mage alone required 60 individual pieces of gear, pulled in via XML and later the LUA files, to fine tune elemental damage, magic accuracy, etc. Heck we changed our weapon depending on what spell we were firing off until it got replaced by a universal weapon via a quest, FINALLY (which was then replaced by better ones at level 99. Mmmm, Lehbrailg +2.) I literally had a different gear set depending on whether I was standing still or running, haha.

Add in 22 jobs x 16 gears slots x 2-3 gear sets and you're basically stuck with only 2-3 jobs you can gear properly before running out of room. I kept my BLM, my BRD, and my THF fully geared because there just wasn't room for anything else.

XI added a lot of inventory and didn't tie it to retainers, though. They didn't ask us to open our wallets. You did quests, paid with in game currency, they gave us a free mog satchel with token, had NPCs all over the place that stored our older gear sets - they really tried.

XIV? Nah, nevermind that we have newer technology. Just make 'em pay for more retainers.

The folks willing to just toss their money at a company who is not coming up with solutions just baffles me.

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The folks willing to just toss their money at a company who is not coming up with solutions just baffles me.

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I had only one problem with retainer inventory: there wasn't enough of it. They solved that problem by doubling it, and it will cost me an extra $8 a month to take full advantage of their solution. That's fine with me, the game is still a bargain.

It doesn't matter what the extra inventory is costing SE: does Apple price iPhones based on its costs? No. All that matters is whether enough of your customers see sufficient value in what you are selling.

Well, I do, so I will buy extra retainers (but not an iPhone). You may legitimately think the opposite: that an iPhone is worth the price premium but extra retainers are not. That's how markets work, value is always in the eye of the beholder.