Ranged DPS dominating Slaughter Mode

All these melee crying about how horrible life is. Yet melees are telling casters to L2P and "git gud" in secure.

Yes casters are overpowered in slaughter but the irony and hypocrisy is priceless.
That comment earlier about those who benifit from something also apply to you.

Ninjas specialy crying about anything is the best

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Originally Posted by hallena

Ninjas specialy crying about anything is the best

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It's funnier when people complain about Ninjas.

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Originally Posted by yuixjfa

It's funnier when people complain about Ninjas.

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Casters have all the right in the world to complain about ninjas. They are worse than super glue and unlike bards we can't attack while moving and have our cast interupted by damage, including daggers throw
But hey!

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people who benifit from something dont see its problem

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Originally Posted by yuixjfa

It's funnier when people complain about Ninjas.

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Maybe because in Secure premades built whole strategies around ninja's coming in stealth and popping a LB on the healer before attacking. It was by far the biggest threat against an evenly matched team. But I guess you didn't know that either.

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Originally Posted by Red_Wolf

Den was fairly exhausting. I had to run in a circle around a wall avoiding melee until the melee on my team killed their healer. So what were you saying about melee again?

I can assure you healers need vitality gear to survive. I'm not going to bother replying to the rest of that foolishness.

As a healer, I am the one being targeted by melee and caster DPS for the entire match. Melee hurt, interrupt everything, stun me, and have enough defense to avoid being peeled. Casters don't interrupt me, have cast times, easily peeled, and their LB's are marked on the freaking ground before they even hit.

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Casters are a much bigger threat than melee are. In the Den they changed it to 1Range/1Melee because SMN/BLM or 'SMN/SMN' or BLM/BLM were the most op comps in existence.

I love how you only mention kiting melees and act like the range dps doesn't even exist lol. Probably because you can't kite range. :o
And if you are only kiting no wonder you hate melees, no CCs not even Fluid aura?

Healers don't need Vitality gear to survive LB, just stop being bad. <.<

Both Melee and Casters interrupt you, your comments are completely biased.

Melees have stuns (short duration), and Fetter Ward (Ninjas,Paladins, and Warriors do not) which last for like 10s and is on a lengthy CD. After Fetter Ward is gone they are easily peeled (meaning Ninja,Paladin,and Warrior are very easily peeled ALL the time).

Casters are the main ones for peeling. AoE Sleep/Bind and Heavy (that destroys melees). Their LB is marked on the ground after 30% of the cast has already started and is long range. Do you know what peeling is?

I play every job and I see all the pros and cons they endeavor.

But....isn't that why they're called 'ninja'...the sneaky, sneaky assassin type job? If you played WvWvW in GW2, you'll remember that thieves are even worse there, especially the dagger/dagger ones that used to be able to totally kill someone from stealth before they even had time to react. At least in FF14 they aren't that bad. I don't want a nerf to anything, actually -- people who like to play PvP can usually adapt to whatever the developer throws at them and still have fun, or switch jobs to whatever job it is annoying them to get a different perspective. I was getting killed left and right by thieves in GW2 -- so, I made one, learned how they play, and then went back to elementalist with a far greater knowledge of how to counter them. Going to do the same thing here -- play my healer or bard until I grasp the dynamics of fights, then go back to ninja and use that knowledge however best I can ^_^v

Don't forget P/D thief...they are just notorious!

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Originally Posted by Houston009

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Droppin' the knowledge nukes.

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Casters are a much bigger threat than melee are. In the Den they changed it to 1Range/1Melee because SMN/BLM or 'SMN/SMN' or BLM/BLM were the most op comps in existence.

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They were the most op comp in existance because sleep lasted for 30 second, swift flare was insane, Smn could ressurect people, They could spam heavy and their pet would interupt the healer. All of which has been nerfed. Welcome to 2.5 i hope you enjoyed your 2.1 private server

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I love how you only mention kiting melees and act like the range dps doesn't even exist lol. Probably because you can't kite range

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No but you can interupt and LoS them easily. Find any sort of pillar or wall and eos/regen will outheal any form of damage a blm/smn can dish on you. The exception being bard, which i agree are annoying to deal with

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Healers don't need Vitality gear to survive LB, just stop being bad. <.<

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Right because getting good permanently reduce damage taken by 50%

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Both Melee and Casters interrupt you, your comments are completely biased.

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casters have casting time, can't attack while moving and cannot interupt when they are being interupted. Melee's attacks are instan. Have shorter GCD and in many case have OffGCD attacks

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Melees have stuns (short duration), and Fetter Ward (Ninjas,Paladins, and Warriors do not) which last for like 10s and is on a lengthy CD. After Fetter Ward is gone they are easily peeled (meaning Ninja,Paladin,and Warrior are very easily peeled ALL the time).

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I like how you are completely ignoring gap closer and ranged attack which can be used to interupt casts/heals aswell as silences which silence through surecast and equanimity

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Originally Posted by hallena

smarts

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LOL, thank you hallena. I'll reply to but not to step on your toes. Mainly because I just typed all this out and some people need to get a clue.

Ok lots of random scattered ideas here. Guess I’ll give you a break down.

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Originally Posted by Houston009

Casters are a much bigger threat than melee are. In the Den they changed it to 1Range/1Melee because SMN/BLM or 'SMN/SMN' or BLM/BLM were the most op comp in existence.

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I can’t comment on two ranged in wolves’ den. But it’s my understanding BLM’s took a big nerf after wolves’ den was released. And I’d have to imagine that combination was lethal because of CC. Because two melee would just interrupt everything they tried to cast if they played smart and weren’t CC’d.

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I love how you only mention kiting melees and act like the range dps doesn't even exist lol. Probably because you can't kite range.

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You like to answer your own questions to prove yourself correct huh? I guess you rarely lose those debates with yourself.

But I agree with you and yourself here too. You don’t “kite” range in the den because there is a nice wall to LoS them…

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And if you are only kiting no wonder you hate melees, no CCs not even Fluid aura?

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Fluid Aura yes… one spell. You already know I’m a WHM, unless you forgot that while responding to me which is entirely possible. As a WHM, my only CC has a 2.5 second cast time. Perhaps you are in the habit of letting your enemy get a 2.5 second cast time off, but most are not. Swiftcast would be a horribly wasted. I’ll need that to heal myself. Surecast is probably going to be interrupted because any melee with half a brain will notice the one cast that actually made it halfway on my cast bar.

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Healers don't need Vitality gear to survive LB, just stop being bad. <.<

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Hmmm, no. If a melee can’t kill someone with just over 3k health using a LB. Then they aren’t just bad. They are horrible. Unless you are the same person that thinks Benediction is always available and doesn’t have a 5 minute cooldown.

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Both Melee and Casters interrupt you, your comments are completely biased.

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The first part is correct, but what you are completely missing is that a caster is only going to interrupt me frequently by using sub-optimal spells. Melee just interrupt using their best rotations and do it more often. The summoner’s pet and the instant BLM spell aren’t anything Regen can’t heal through.

And there’s that little thing we talked about before “kiting”. That is when I have to run to avoid getting destroyed. You can’t cast while running either. With a caster I have the options of getting out of his range or LoS’ing him. Both of which allow me to cast.

There’s YOUR bias.

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Melees have stuns (short duration), and Fetter Ward (Ninjas,Paladins, and Warriors do not) which last for like 10s and is on a lengthy CD. After Fetter Ward is gone they are easily peeled (meaning Ninja,Paladin,and Warrior are very easily peeled ALL the time).

Casters are the main ones for peeling. AoE Sleep/Bind and Heavy (that destroys melees). Their LB is marked on the ground after 30% of the cast has already started and is long range. Do you know what peeling is?

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I’m not sure what you’re getting at here. Are you saying you can only attack after using a stun? Or that you can’t attack and move at the same time? Is that why you are so easily peeled? I would suggest having your free company buy a striking dummy. Practice moving in alternating circles around it while attacking. This will help you.

Regardless, I never argued that melee was better than casters at peeling via CC.

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No but you can interupt and LoS them easily. Find any sort of pillar of wall and eos/regen will outheal any form of damage a blm/smn can dish on you

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BLM/SMN deal an extremely high amount of damage, SMN wielding one of the strongest burst in PvP. BLM being very close.

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Right because getting good permanently reduce damage taken by 50%

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You are implying the LB hits for 7.5k, and those surviving without Vit gear are magically reducing that number by 50%.

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casters have casting time, can't attack while moving and cannot interupt when they are being interupted

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Casters have insta-cast, which interrupt others' caster, can't be interrupted, and can be used while moving. SMN really only having to cast two spells with cast times (for damage) and having a pet that is pretty much full time damage that also interrupts.

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I like how you are completely ignoring gap closer an[d] ranged attack which can be used to interupt casts/heals

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Melees can't use gap closers while Bound/Slept, however they can while Heavied allowing them to get one gcd in before going back to getting kited. Also there gap closer isn't always warranted (Shoulder Tackle, Spineshatter Dive, potentially Overwhelm) because they have a stun tied to them, which can be bad when trying to avoid DR. Also, PLDs and WARs don't have gap closers.

The ranged attack melees do get are shorter than Ranges' attack range just so you know. And MNK's only ranged move is their PvP skill, Weapon Throw.

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BLM/SMN deal an extremely high amount of damage, SMN wielding one of the strongest burst in PvP. BLM being very close.

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When you stand still for a long time. You seem to forgot Blm's burst come from hardcasting everything and summoner's burst come from having all their dots on you. Which take a minimum of 5 second of standing still

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You are implying the LB hits for 7.5k, and those surviving without Vit gear are magically reducing that number by 50%.

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I was implying a one shot is a one shot. Unless you have adlo/stoneskin on you 24/7 in which case i call bullshit

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Casters have insta-cast, which interrupt others' caster, can't be interrupted, and can be used while moving. SMN really only having to cast two spells with cast times (for damage) and having a pet that is pretty much full time damage that also interrupts.

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Blm has lolscathe that hit for 250. You're not kill anything with that because regen outheal it
Smn's pet no longer interupt and their dots can be esuna/leech'd for worst case scenario. Forcing them to stand still for another 5 second to deal any form of damage

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Melees can't use gap closers while Bound/Slept, however they can while Heavied allowing them to get one gcd in before going back to getting kited. Also there gap closer isn't always warranted (Shoulder Tackle, Spineshatter Dive, potentially Overwhelm) because they have a stun tied to them, which can be bad when trying to avoid DR. Also, PLDs and WARs don't have gap closers.

The ranged attack melees do get are shorter than Ranges' attack range just so you know. And MNK's only ranged move is their PvP skill, Weapon Throw.

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You seem to be under the impression Blm and summoner's bound are instan cast.
You also seem to be under the impression melee's don't have heavy or bind or stun,
Paladin may not have a gap closer but they can stun you for 10 seconds

melee's ranged attack do have shorter range but all it mean is the blm or summoner get to cast one spell on you before you go back to being an interupt machine. ninja for exemple has 1 ranged attack, 2 gap closer and one ranged instan cast root which can be reseted on demand. Have fun "kiting" that when it take 2.5 second to deal 650-800 damage

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Originally Posted by Houston009

Not hard to time LBs at the same time on top of CC'd targets, especially with VOIP. Get tons of kills with my co-caster with double lb (at the same time), its totally fair. I don't even have to be close to perform it. SE please keep this totally balanced system.

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Not hard to time dps LBs either. In fact its easy to mark healers from a distance, call your number, pop tank LB, dash in/jump stucn LB and boom, healers are dead, blms dont last long w/o healers.


All I see in this thread is a bunch of melee crying they cant afk attack. PVP is the only think that is not scripted in this game and pvp has definitely separated the wheat from the shaft for the dps. Ive seen many bards, tanks, melee dps with rage, just because people cant play thier jobs doesnt mean others should be nerfed. I'm tired of blm getting pvp nerfs because a cry baby drg cant auto win.

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But I agree with you and yourself here too. You don’t “kite” range in the den because there is a nice wall to LoS them…

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Running around a pillar or side of the wall interrupts melees too FYI.

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Fluid Aura yes… one spell. You already know I’m a WHM, unless you forgot that while responding to me which is entirely possible. As a WHM, my only CC has a 2.5 second cast time. Perhaps you are in the habit of letting your enemy get a 2.5 second cast time off, but most are not. Swiftcast would be a horribly wasted. I’ll need that to heal myself. Surecast is probably going to be interrupted because any melee with half a brain will notice the one cast that actually made it halfway on my cast bar.

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Just because you are a WHM does not mean you know everything you have at your disposal. Clearly.

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Hmmm, no. If a melee can’t kill someone with just over 3k health using a LB. Then they aren’t just bad. They are horrible. Unless you are the same person that thinks Benediction is always available and doesn’t have a 5 minute cooldown.

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So you are complaining that the LB kills you if you are not topped off or nearly topped off? You don't need benediction to heal yourself backup i.e. Animation Lock.

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The first part is correct, but what you are completely missing is that a caster is only going to interrupt me frequently by using sub-optimal spells. Melee just interrupt using their best rotations and do it more often. The summoner’s pet and the instant BLM spell aren’t anything Regen can’t heal through.

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FL Secure: Understandable to a degree
FL Slaughter: Melee can barely get a rotation in
WD: Regen heals through kiting melee just as easily, i would understand your plea if positionals didn't exist.

I think you just may be having bad experiences, because as a Caster/Healer i rarely have these issues with melees. I literally look at them as minor nuisances when i play as Caster/Healer.

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With [ANYONE] I have the options of getting out of his range or LoS’ing him. Both of which allow me to cast.

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I’m not sure what you’re getting at here. Are you saying you can only attack after using a stun? Or that you can’t attack and move at the same time? Is that why you are so easily peeled?

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I was referring to your comment on peeling, you can't attack or chase if you are bound in place (Sleep/Bind/Stun). Whilst stuck in place you are therefore peeled from your target.

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Originally Posted by Zagam

Not hard to time dps LBs either. In fact its easy to mark healers from a distance, call your number, pop tank LB, dash in/jump stucn LB and boom, healers are dead, blms dont last long w/o healers.


All I see in this thread is a bunch of melee crying they cant afk attack. PVP is the only think that is not scripted in this game and pvp has definitely separated the wheat from the shaft for the dps. Ive seen many bards, tanks, melee dps with rage, just because people cant play thier jobs doesnt mean others should be nerfed. I'm tired of blm getting pvp nerfs because a cry baby drg cant auto win.

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I play every aspect of PvP, not just melee.

yes, that is strategy often used to attempt to kill healer but requires much coordination just to try and kill one target. I'm not going to knock on that combination, however Sleep + 2Cometeor = Many Dead (including healers)

EDIT: I feel like i misunderstood what you were saying, still not sure if you quoted my post as if you were agreeing or disagreeing.

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Running around a pillar or side of the wall interrupts melees too FYI.

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Now you're just being silly.

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I think you just may be having bad experiences, because as a Caster/Healer i rarely have these issues with melees. I literally look at them as minor nuisances when i play as Caster/Healer.

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Allow me to doubt that. As a blm a dragoon can easily take off 50% of my health during the jump's stun.

Regardless there's no way in even arguing anymore because this entire argument can be TL;DR with The grass is always greener on the other side

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I was implying a one shot is a one shot. Unless you have adlo/stoneskin on you 24/7 in which case i call bullshit

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Its not a one-shot.

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Blm has lolscathe that hit for 250. You're not kill anything with that because regen outheal it
Smn's pet no longer interupt and their dots can be esuna/leech'd for worst case scenario. Forcing them to stand still for another 5 second to deal any form of damage

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I could have sworn you scathed because you wanted to interrupt? I cast Sleep because I wanted people to go to Sleep.
SMN's pet still interrupt, just not every cast. Dots aren't their only source of damage.

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You seem to be under the impression Blm and summoner's bound are instan cast.
You also seem to be under the impression melee's don't have heavy or bind or stun,
Paladin may not have a gap closer but they can stun you for 10 seconds

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Swiftcast: Tri-diaster, Sleep, Freeze,Blizzard, and Blizzard II( has same cast time as single-target healing spells)
Insta-cast: Nightwing
SMN has a stun, melees(Ninja,Monk,Dragoon) have a heavy on cd, and Ninja and Warrior have bind. One which also locks the caster in place, the other on a shared oGCD.
PLDs can no longer stun for 10s

I feel like you guys are the Adder and Storm on Aether Datacenter, jumping the Flames again ><.

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Now you're just being silly.

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How so? You are considered out of range the moment someone crosses a wall, its similar to when tanks constantly move mobs and your action cancels mid animation.

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Well! i'm glad you showed me the way. Now i know. i can cast one spell per minute with a melee or bard attacking me

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We still have Lethargy, also instant like Nightwing. ^^

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They were the most op comp in existance because sleep lasted for 30 second, swift flare was insane, Smn could ressurect people, They could spam heavy and their pet would interupt the healer. All of which has been nerfed. Welcome to 2.5 i hope you enjoyed your 2.1 private server

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BLM/BLM may not be as strong anymore in 2.5, but SMN/BLM and SMN/SMN would still be pretty OP in comparison. It wasn't just SMNs resurrection/heavy that made them OP. Its their burst and bane. CCs are still strong. Go do WD now, watch SMNs dominate.

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Its not a one-shot.

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You're right. It only hit for 3.4-3.5k on your 3.7k health pool

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swiftcast anything

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Well! i'm glad you showed me the way. Now i know. i can cast one spell per minute with a melee or bard attacking me

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Originally Posted by Houston009

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I am certain I know WHM better than you. Please don't pretend there are magical instant CC's I can just pluck out of the air during FL's. Lying just makes you look worse. My only guess is you are referring to heavy. And since that requires a cast time like repose I think we've covered that.

LB's don't kill me anymore because I wear vit. gear. Once again, your inability to kill someone with a LB is not common amongst melee PvPers in this game. Please don't speak for melee players regarding this.

Most of your comments stem from the fact that you have trouble keeping up with someone kiting you. You can't LoS a melee chasing you unless they aren't really chasing you. I can assure a lot of melee can stay within range and attack while running. Please use the dummy for practice as I suggested.

Until Slaughter, melee was clearly the biggest threat to healers. And since slaughter... melee are still clearly the biggest threat to healers. How are you dying consistently to a caster as a healer? Save your purify when you're focused, otherwise let the other healer cleanse your CC. Try moving out of their AoE (it's the yellow circle on the ground). I honeslty think you are just making stuff up now.

Hmmm, more like I have far more experience than you in the PvP scene, which is why I'm trying to educate.

As far as melee LB goes, all I said is that it's not a one-shot.

I highly doubt you know WHM better than I, you wouldn't be complaining on here if you did.

You are aware the comments regarding kiting were referring to "PEELING" right? I have 0 issues staying on top of someone until I'm CC'd.

Please go play melee for me. Making comments about something you've never experienced.

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I play dragoon and warrior in secure.

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The comment was not towards you.

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Please go play melee for me. Making comments about something you've never experienced.

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I play dragoon and warrior in secure.

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Hmmm, more like I have far more experience than you in the PvP scene, which is why I'm trying to educate.

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I could say the same thing

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Originally Posted by Houston009

I play every aspect of PvP, not just melee.

yes, that is strategy often used to attempt to kill healer but requires much coordination just to try and kill one target. I'm not going to knock on that combination, however Sleep + 2Cometeor = Many Dead (including healers)

EDIT: I feel like i misunderstood what you were saying, still not sure if you quoted my post as if you were agreeing or disagreeing.

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The first part about coordination was to you, the rest was for the rest of this cryfest.

And if you think pre marking multiple healers and assigning them to specific dps to run in and lb harder than trying to time a group sleep/CC running in and trying to ground target the exact same spot I don't know what to say, and before you spew ive played more games than you so I must be right, I highly highly doubt you have.

lmao @ people complaining about an assassin classes having stealth and being "broken"

boo fucking hoo, the saltier the tears the better. hahahahahahah

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Originally Posted by yuixjfa

lmao @ people complaining about an assassin classes having stealth and being "broken"

boo fucking hoo, the saltier the tears the better. hahahahahahah

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What does that have to do with anything?

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Originally Posted by yuixjfa

lmao @ people complaining about an assassin classes having stealth and being "broken"

boo fucking hoo, the saltier the tears the better. hahahahahahah

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Uhhhh this entire thread is about how bandwagons (sorry I mean nins) and other dps cant handle the power of black mages. You need to resort to hiding and spawn camping because you dont have the stones for a real fight.

Thanks for your continued feedback in regards to Frontline (Slaughter) and PvP in general. I’m making sure to gather up all your comments and present them to the various teams! We’ll be using everyone’s comments as fuel for future discussions so keep the feedback coming!

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Originally Posted by Grekumah

Thanks for your continued feedback in regards to Frontline (Slaughter) and PvP in general. I’m making sure to gather up all your comments and present them to the various teams! We’ll be using everyone’s comments as fuel for future discussions so keep the feedback coming!

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My only suggestion is to keep it the way it is, many dps have figured out how to work against a heavy caster team, please don't take this small sample as to what the ENTIRE community is like.

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Originally Posted by yuixjfa

lmao @ people complaining about an assassin classes having stealth and being "broken"

boo fucking hoo, the saltier the tears the better. hahahahahahah

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ninja are weak compared to assasins in my old game doesnt matter what class u were if u got hit by a sin stealthed kiss your butt gbye lmao i saw tanks with 18000 defence n 50k hp get 1 shot if they crit lol so yeah lol im just grateful i spent 200m on a stealth ring to prevent my tank suffering that lol cant get hit stealthed in that game lmao xD

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Originally Posted by Zagam

Uhhhh this entire thread is about how bandwagons (sorry I mean nins) and other dps cant handle the power of black mages. You need to resort to hiding and spawn camping because you dont have the stones for a real fight.

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stones to fight for real?? u mean how blm sit behind 10 ppl n spam sleep + comet?? yeah real pvp skills right there :P

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Originally Posted by Spawnie

ninja are weak compared to assasins in my old game doesnt matter what class u were if u got hit by a sin stealthed kiss your butt gbye lmao i saw tanks with 18000 defence n 50k hp get 1 shot if they crit lol so yeah lol im just grateful i spent 200m on a stealth ring to prevent my tank suffering that lol cant get hit stealthed in that game lmao xD

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You mean...Ragnarok?

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Originally Posted by Grekumah

Thanks for your continued feedback in regards to Frontline (Slaughter) and PvP in general. I’m making sure to gather up all your comments and present them to the various teams! We’ll be using everyone’s comments as fuel for future discussions so keep the feedback coming!

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I hope you could find a good way to split alliances from mid little bit, when there is 9 groups in mid lag hits hunt level thus draining even more enjoyment out of it. If you force us to split more than once in a game then i see no reason to add nerfs to any class, also could always reduce group size from 72 to 48 or 24 max.

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Originally Posted by Zagam

My only suggestion is to keep it the way it is, many dps have figured out how to work against a heavy caster team, please don't take this small sample as to what the ENTIRE community is like.

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Says the person clearly playing BLM in FL >_>

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Originally Posted by Zagam

My only suggestion is to keep it the way it is, many dps have figured out how to work against a heavy caster team, please don't take this small sample as to what the ENTIRE community is like.

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Oh no, please don't nerf the inbalance, it benefits me, I don't give a goobbue ass about melee's not being able to fight or even get remotely close to the area without getting chain slept and cometeored, please please, I don't care about everyone else as long as I'm fine.

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Originally Posted by Evtrai

Oh no, please don't nerf the inbalance, it benefits me, I don't give a goobbue ass about melee's not being able to fight or even get remotely close to the area without getting chain slept and cometeored, please please, I don't care about everyone else as long as I'm fine.

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Well since you care so much about balance then you won't mind if we nerf the living fuck out of melee and bard for secure right?
Oh, who am i kidding. You're playing melee. Of course you think you're fine there

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Originally Posted by hallena

Well since you care so much about balance then you won't mind if we nerf the living fuck out of melee and bard for secure right?
Oh, who am i kidding. You're playing melee. Of course you think you're fine there

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I actually play White Mage for PvP, thank you very much, no matter what game you play, melee always have superiority on close ranges on casters, and in PvP they have many defenses around this, casters have sprint, sleep, gravity. A lot of times it's purely poor skill play around your team as whole, as they should be defending and prioritizing anyone near casters.

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Originally Posted by Evtrai

I actually play White Mage for PvP, thank you very much, no matter what game you play, melee always have superiority on close ranges on casters, and in PvP they have many defenses around this, casters have sprint, sleep, gravity. A lot of times it's purely poor skill play around your team as whole, as they should be defending and prioritizing anyone near casters.

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Except in this game, melee have too many tool to stick to and lock a caster down. Casters in slaughters have 23 players to hide behind. Which is why they are so strong in slaughter and suck in secure.
So since perfect balance is the priority, We all agree melee deserve a nerf in secure?
The biggest offender is LB building up too fast. which is getting fixed
Quit crying about "melee not being able to do anything in slaughters" when in secure casters can't do anything but run as soon as a melee or bard decide to target them.

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Originally Posted by Houston009

I highly doubt you know WHM better than I, you wouldn't be complaining on here if you did.

You are aware the comments regarding kiting were referring to "PEELING" right? I have 0 issues staying on top of someone until I'm CC'd.

Please go play melee for me. Making comments about something you've never experienced.

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First, the only reason i responded to this thread is because the most powerful archetype in PvP is asking for casters to be nerfed. Not because it makes any sense whatsoever. But because they want to be able to run face first into a zerg without dying. I'm sorry if correcting you is considered complaining. Before slaughter melee were perfectly fine being the obviously OP class in pvp. Now that an instance was made to punish poor positioning... we have to nerf casters!

I've played melee in pvp for years. Melee generally always has an advantage. This game is no exception. I will play melee in ffxiv eventually. I'm not on your schedule. But you need to realize that your limitations (bad LB burst, movement skills, etc..) with melee make you a bad representation of the class. Please find a mentor or follow the tips I already gave you.

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Originally Posted by Evtrai

Oh no, please don't nerf the inbalance, it benefits me, I don't give a goobbue ass about melee's not being able to fight or even get remotely close to the area without getting chain slept and cometeored, please please, I don't care about everyone else as long as I'm fine.

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Don't forget about being ping ponged with knockback mechanics. I had a few whms who kept pushing me around, I thought it was hilarious. That made me realize there is no DR on knockbacks.

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Originally Posted by hallena

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I would agree with you but sorry, having actually played on a static with 2 black mages as part of my group before I do know that casters have a lot of defense towards melee, mainly based on anticipation when playing properly, if you are getting ravaged by several players then you can't expect to be inmortal, I have even witnessed good black mages handling multiple players without getting facerolled or at least surviving enough to run or go back to your group WAY better than a melee dps can handle themselves alone.

You are pretty much complaining how on a war, a close range fighter has the superiority over an archer at close range, hence the goal of an archer is stop as many close range fighters as they could before reaching them.