I want an official response.

Mmm, so mature.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Amused

I've already cancelled my subscription and un-installed the game. You want us to leave? OK, that's fine. Just remember this when your servers are being merged, and you can't find people to group with because they've moved on to another game that doesn't treat it's players/fans as expendable.

---

Makes me glad you can't post here without an active account.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Amused

I've already cancelled my subscription and un-installed the game. You want us to leave? OK, that's fine. Just remember this when your servers are being merged, and you can't find people to group with because they've moved on to another game that doesn't treat it's players/fans as expendable.

---

Then why are you still here? Get out please. I'm most definitely sure you don't represent the majority, so leave

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Amused

I've already cancelled my subscription and un-installed the game.

---

Thank God.

The fact that you refuse to even respond really shows that you don't care about any of us. It's sad.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Amused

The fact that you refuse to even respond really shows that you don't care about any of us. It's sad.

---

Who are you even talking to?

If you unsubscribed, you are no longer a part of the playerbase. therefore, I really hope that the game devs do NOT care about you. they should be catering to those who actually care enough about the game to stick with it through good times and bad.

Please. Find another game to troll, and leave ours alone.

I understand that you are disappointed, but isnt it better to send a e-mail to SE and get a response from them that way? If they respond to your thread, then players will demand that they respond to everyones thread.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Felessan

You should remember that ARR essentially sucked all SE money into rebuilding itself, many project went into frozen state (versus, anyone) or even was dumped. ARR cost a lot of money to be remade and people DO want to return their investment, so a lot from this number goes to recuperate R&D cost that was spent years ago.

---

yes, the game did cost them a lot, but what cost them more is all the "failure" they did recently, a lot of game (even if they did sell well) wasn't a true succes, because they cost them tons of cash to do but don't permit to make a lot of benefit from it. a good example is tomb raider or thief, they are good game that did sell well, but barely enough for call them a succes. more important, FF14 arr is out for more of 1 years (14 months) meaning they have get in this time period (for 1.000.000 subs at legacy subs) 139.860.000 euro (173.200.000 USD)... please don't tell me they did use this much cash for remake the game... more important, they have already said (to them shareholder) that FF14 is a critical succes bringing a lot of benefit that did covered all the cost of before.

the point it's why FF14 need an influx of more cash? mostly because they didn't learn from the error and restart stupid move... SE even if is a big company is not EA, Activision, Ubisoft... however they did relaunch the making of a lot of game... now the question is this, until when can we allows SE to use us for found them other game, while FF14 do need a lot of improvement in many domain? (Server capacity, more man power,...)

don't get me wrong, from a pragmatic point, i understand where stand Yoshida, but as player that invest cash every month into this game (part of a family with 4 active account) i'm concerned by them choice. more bad, i have the feeling that player are nothing more than milking cow for some higher ups of SE, it's hard but true.

you can tell me the game did cost them a lot, but don't forget that while the last years of the V1 all the player with an active account was paying a subs. (that why a lot of legacy are still around) we did invest in the change of the game. and now, the game did receive a massive afflux of money, sadly only a small portion was used for FF14, a lot of the cash was used for covered the loose of the game that did come out before FF14 and now that the society is in positive they still ask us more cash? sorry something need to be change and more important some question need to be answered, more bad they need to stop to see us like milking cow but really like investor that put a lot of money per years into them game!

Given that Yoshida himself keeps referring to the game as a Theme Park MMO, it's probably helpful to keep in mind what actual Theme Parks are like. Your admission gets you in the door and gets you on all the rides, but they're also full of "Optional Services", like souvenir shops, commemorative photos, concession stands, and even premium passes that get let you jump ahead in line. So even though everyone pays an admission to get into the park, people who pay more will get more extra benefits that don't stop everyone else from still experiencing all the core attractions.

I think that's literally the model that they're going for in this game. I think they see the things they've added as the equivalent to souvenir shops and commemorative photo ops that people who really enjoy their FFXIV experience may want to buy as mementos. Their main job is to make sure that the most people possible keep wanting to come back to the theme park, and are having fun. (Clearly these additions may preclude some people from having fun, but they'll have to look at the "visitors" on the whole.)

what you describe is a free to play model... it allows each to do what they want for the money they have, you can't do that into a subs game, seriously it's as good than shooting yourself in the foot.
explain me why people will come into a game, buy the game, pay the subs for be forced to purchase options? when they can get into a free to play for nothing and have the same system of option?

because that the point a lot seems to miss, what some are ok with is a free to play model. like said only one game have a shop as subs game it's world of warcraft and even them have never get to the point to propose option on feature inside the game. even them (that was supervised by vivendi for long) never did cross this line. why this? because it's bad in too many way, you get cash from your player every month, it's like you buy one or two dlc from other game every month. you can't go and begin to ask people that pay already this much, to pay more for get acces to a part of the content.

the point is that actually, are we still into a subs game or into a game that gonna go free to play? because i'm kinda sure, that a looot of the more loyal playerbase will simply drop if the game pass free to play. like said, the trouble is not in Yoshida team, but in the higher ups of SE, that don't understand how work a succesfull mmorpg and are becoming extremely rude to use us for found them other game instead to invest into FF14 more cash earn from it.

Yoshida and him team have done so many great thing if you look at how they must work, them team are not enough for a game with more of 2.000.000 players, the DX11 build did wait because they hadn't the man power to support the fast pace of release of content and devellope this, they did delivered to us the ps4 version (that it's in 64bits) and we are still in dx9 with a 32bits support on PC. the server have almost reach them max capacity, to the point to affect what they can or cannot add to the game, but still can't upgrade the server... why this? when they get soo many cash per month... because most of the cash is taken to other game of SE, indeed they must use the benefit from the game as they want, but sorry, so far the game have many trouble that need a fast answer and are push back more and more.

honestly i will not be surprise to see only 20% of the cash earn by FF14 reinvested into it while the rest go somewhere else.

they need to be more transparent with us, it's time to change the way they see the player... we are not simply brats, we are people that invest cash every month into them game, they want me to support the cash shop and double dip for content? they need to show me that this cash will be used into FF14 and not into FF15 or next tomb raider or such! and maybe if they prove me that the case i will support this horrible way to do the game. but soo far i highly doubt this cash is really for FF14!

ps: and if they really need this cash from the cash shop for support the game... where go the subs?!?

seriously people ask to grow up and accept stuff, but when you hit them with reality they simply want to avert them eyes from it. the reality is this, we invest cash every month into a service, we deserve to know where this cash go... since the service soo far is not as good as he can be with the money they get from the subs. i have said it countless time before, we are not different of the shareholder. we are investor into a company called SE for a product called FF14:ARR.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Amused

I loved this game. I wanted to play this game for years to come but it's really like you're trying to push me away. Laugh at me if you want, but it really does break my heart.

---

This is exactly how I feel. So disappointed in the direction this game is taking.

Thought it was going to be unique and something special.

Its selling out and watering itself down like every me too MMO.

I've just a couple of question for the supporter fandom of the cash shop:

1. For a fresh 50s(or someone who wants a second class dressed up) it's okay just walk on the cash shop, buy a bunch of these eternal bond plan and sell it to gain enought gil for full I100HQ craft gear with easy and effort-less pentameld? same exploit can dress up gatherer/crafter (even power level it)

2.I can deal with some optional item in cash shop. Minion,mount etc. but you HAVE TO make it untradable. If you want it just for fun and vanity why complain if they don't allow you to earn in game benefits ( like gil) ?

the whole cashshop "its only vanity" stuff was pure bullshit, this is the worst update i ever seen , square is literaly killing XIV , you guys really want this to go F2P, and here I was thinking " XIV will live forever just like wow,this is gonna be good " so sad to see this. features being cut out just to get moar money and mindless people paying nonetheless.

if they don't do anything about it I might have to give it a break for a couple of years until this get sorted out or go full f2p and people who paid get stupid V.I.P stuff like many RPGs that I played like Tera. :(

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Eissels

I don't like the thought of dyes in the shop, but ultimately it doesn't bother me.

I wish they'd put more event items in their for people that missed it.

Tbh I'd pay like $15 for Lightning's Hairstyle.

---

people like you ...I hope everyone thinks like you so the game just go F2p and I can play it whenever I feel like :D

any mass movement against SE yet ? lol , i would love to see raid scenario where the PLAYER BASE take on SE (boss) :p

Shame that any post starting with "I want an official response.." never gets the response. I would really like to see what SE has to say about this. :)))

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by StrejdaTom

Shame that any post starting with "I want an official response.." never gets the response. I would really like to see what SE has to say about this. :)))

---

i think they try to wait to have get enough cash before answer, either they continue and the game finish into Free 2 play (a model favorised in china and country like this) or they do empty promise to not do it anymore before redo it 6-8 month later, because if you remember people was against cash shop at the release, strangely 1 years later a savage cash shop did appear!

I would wager that it's possible the Devs and Community Reps were told NOT to reply to these or they simply don't have an answer for you. They are not the owners of the company after all, they just work there. I'm sure they don't get to call absolutely all the shots, most companies don't really work that way. They usually have a designated higher up who wouldn't have to be the one to deal with angry customers, but gets to tell them what needs to be done according to another who is higher up than them.
And no, I don't have any actual proof of that, it was just a bit of logic to me. I could certainly be wrong, but it seems likely. It's a controversial subject obviously, and chances are either way, answer or no answer, the threads and posts about it won't stop. Either way they are fueling the flames.

Do what you will though. It is the forums after all.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Melinabean0

Logic!

---

Sounds logical. It's ultimately up to Square to decide if they want to answer or not and if they do, they're going to tell their devs/GM team what they want them to say to us. As I said before, it will not matter how Square answers because people are too upset to take any answer at face value short of the cash shop doing a total 180 or having a massive price cut.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Amused

OK then. If they're optional, how about we take glamour away and put that in the cash shop? I mean, it's optional after all. Dyes? Optional. Unique armor models? Optional. Hairstyles? Optional. Coil? Optional. Extreme modes? Optional.

Do you see where I'm going with this?

---

Nowhere fast.

The whingers tend to forget that they got almost a full year of content updates outside of what is usually saved for expansion packs, including new quests, stories, JOB, outfits, events, accessories, appearances, construction differences in Revenants Toll, raids, dungeons, minions, mounts, etc.

I'm not happy with some of the cash shop items, but I do understand that SE has been generous with a year full of content for no cost to me apart from ongoing subscription - which btw, pays for my character to remain active and recieve Game-fixes, it does not entitle me to any of the things i listed above.

They put a few items up that aren't necessary to your game progression and won't negatively impact it what-so-ever, unless you're from one of the I-want-everything herds.

If people want to trade the eternal bond item for gil, it doesn't hurt you at all, nor does it hurt the economy, the exchange will inevitably (unlike rmt) normalise through market tax and vendor payments.

TBH, i don't think people here actually understand what does and doesn't hurt economies, Money sitting in peoples bank is money that is stagnant and not moving.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by tocsin

they should be catering to those who actually care enough about the game to stick with it through good times and bad.

---

Yeah, I guess being a legacy player who stuck with the game even through the original version that essentially died means I don't care enough about the game to stick with it through the good times and bad.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Squa11_Leonhart

snips

---

exept for 14 month as legacy i did pay 139 euro (more or less) with my subs, the price of 2 to 3 full game, do the content added cover this much? not really
do i underestimate the work done? nope
do i feel stealed to see content developped with the subs end in the cash shop? totally!
do i feel they haven't used our subs for solve most of the trouble? yes, before ff14 the company was in the red and after the release of the game they have begin or restart the production of a lot of game... where do you think this money did come from?
do it's yoshida and him team fault? sadly no! they are employee, even if yoshida is producer/director, he is still an employee, he can only do with what SE give him.
do i think that SE is affecting the futur of FF14 because of them choice? totally! and when i say SE i'm not thinking to yoshida and him team. i think the people at the head of the SE lack the knowledge and understanding needed for support a mmorpg and see it like a game on mobile (we can feel it in the financial report, since FF14 is placed in the same category than the game on mobile and ios *sighs*)

the trouble lie here, the marketing team and financial part of SE affect badly what FF14 is becoming, even the fact that we need to go in the mog station for the free version of the eternal binding is a way to advertise for the cash shop...

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by StrejdaTom

Shame that any post starting with "I want an official response.." never gets the response. I would really like to see what SE has to say about this. :)))

---

SE is known for not addressing issues that they do not know (either the solution or the response to) if anything's an indicator, check out the thread for the 401 errors in Mog station that people up to this day (myself included.) are still having problems with, I'm sick of having to buy time cards for this game.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by paindax

SE is known for not addressing issues that they do not know (either the solution or the response to) if anything's an indicator, check out the thread for the 401 errors in Mog station that people up to this day (myself included.) are still having problems with, I'm sick of having to buy time cards for this game.

---

It would be nice if they'd at least let us know that they're keeping an eye on these threads and delivering the feedback to the higher ups.

someone is reading all of this. but generally speaking they do not care about one angry troll complaining with another dozen of users on the forums when they have a couple million happy active subscribers

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by OranKells

someone is reading all of this. but generally speaking they do not care about one angry troll complaining with another dozen of users on the forums when they have a couple million happy active subscribers

---

Oh, I see, we're "angry trolls" just because you don't agree with what we're standing up for.

I love how the pro-cash shop crowd is so quick to belittle the people who are opposing it.

No I didn't say I didn't agree with you; I too am weary of the cash shop and come from a generation where you could press up down up down left right left right ab select start to unlock everything and not like now how they get you through micro transactions to unlock stuff. I'm not a huge fan of the cash shop either and I would be happy to see it go away.

I'm just giving you perspective.

Take yourself out of the situation and read what you've written objectively as if it was someone else talking. Then remember you are a drop in the bucket of a few million subscribers, most of which cannot be bothered enough to even make forum accounts because simply put they are okay with it and do not care. Your opinion while may be the loudest vocalized is not any more or less important than the others and is unfortunately drowned out by the deafening silent majority.
If it quacks like a duck...

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Amused

Oh, I see, we're "angry trolls" just because you don't agree with what we're standing up for.

I love how the pro-cash shop crowd is so quick to belittle the people who are opposing it.

---

The anti cash shop "trolls" are just a by product of an entitled generation. Yes we all pay a subscription fee that pays for servers, free update patches and new dungeons and classes. If SE wants to put minor vanity items in a cash shop to try and generate some extra cash flow then so be it. SE makes games for one reason and that is profit(oh the humanity).

Cash shops are a common practice in virtually all games now and I don't see it leaving anytime soon. So the anti cash shop players have a really simple choice and that is to learn to accept how the gaming industry has been trending for years and stop complaining or just stop gaming. I don't mean to belittle the players that are against the cash shop but having 10 different threads all complaining is a little much.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Amused

It would be nice if they'd at least let us know that they're keeping an eye on these threads and delivering the feedback to the higher ups.

---

What's there to say for them really?

Let's be honest here. If they would post, in every single threat relating to the cash shop, something along the lines of "Thank you for your comments, we'll redirect your concerns to the appropriate channels". Would the matter be settled for you? Very likely it would not be. The fact that after 19 pages you're still replying into this topic which essentially does nothing but beat the dead horse yet again states enough I'd say.

What more could they do? Once more emphasize that the items in the cash shop are merely optional? Not required for progression, not required as part of the story? And serve no other purpose than cosmetic fluff? Would the matter be settled for you then? Judging by your opening post, no it would not.

So, what exactly is it that you're expecting from SE? Them to care that a few people dislike the cash shop being there whilst opposed to that a great number of sales is being generated through the cash shop on a daily basis? Do you expect them to approach their investors and say something along the lines of: "You know what guys, listen up. We have a problem. A few hundred members on our FF XIV forums have shown their repeated dislike to the cash shop. Despite it generating thousands of dollars per day as additional revenue, we believe we must close it down"? It's quite simply not going to happen. The fact that a cash shop was coming sooner or later was a dead giveaway. There's no MMO left on the market which doesn't go hand in hand with one. And no matter how many posts are being made, it's not going to change. Simply due to the fact that it works. Opinions and angry topics mean absolutely nothing. It is money which talks. If people wanted to have spoken out against the introduction of the cash shop, they should have done by cancelling their subscription. If a significant amount of the playerbase would have done that, SE might have reverted the decision. That didn't happen, as most people just don't care. Instead? Thousands of Sleipnir mounts were purchased. Kaching!

I don't understand why you (cash shop defenders) are accepting of Square-Enix taking advantage of you, and abusing you as a customer.

Why do you tolerate it? Why do you let them walk all over you? Why don't you stand up for yourselves?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Amused

It would be nice if they'd at least let us know that they're keeping an eye on these threads and delivering the feedback to the higher ups.

---

They do, they express this all the time. They even talked about it at the Fan Fest. First thing asked about the cash shop was P2W items and Yoshi-P and he confirmed that the vanity shop will only consist of items that have no effect on your progression at all.

Correct me if I am wrong, but did they not mention that money made from the cash shop goes straight into content creating for the game and not in the higher up's pockets?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Amused

I don't understand why you (cash shop defenders) are accepting of Square-Enix taking advantage of you, and abusing you as a customer.

Why do you tolerate it? Why do you let them walk all over you? Why don't you stand up for yourselves?

---

How are they abusing me? Its items I don't care about, and if there happens to be something I like, I will buy it. Its my choice to buy these non-P2W items, not SE's. You act like SE are all laughing maniacally while thunder is rolling in the back and swimming in a pool of gold. I said this in other cash shop threads, but I think it especially applies to you. There is no need to be upset or over dramatic about it.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Amused

I don't understand why you (cash shop defenders) are accepting of Square-Enix taking advantage of you, and abusing you as a customer.

Why do you tolerate it? Why do you let them walk all over you? Why don't you stand up for yourselves?

---

If for one am not a cash shop defender. And that's where people like you start with making these sort of topics completely pointless. As the world is not black and white, it doesn't exist out of just cash shop defenders and cash shop haters. In the real world, there's a large portion of players like myself included, who simply can't be bothered about the presence of a cash shop.

For me it's been nearly 10 years since I first saw premium items introduced into MMO's. Back then, it were actual P2W items in some korean grinder MMO. Hell, even then it didn't stop me from enjoying my own time in the game. These days, a few vanity pieces? I can't be bothered with it the slightest. Chances of me personally spending money on it is close to 0. However, it's also not going to disrupt my ingame experience. And there's many, many players out there like me. Players who quite simply just don't care. Players who can't be bothered either way.

No one is forced to purchase anything from the cash shop so they really aren't taking advantage of anyone. Every company has installed a cash shop of some form, be it vanity items to DLC. If you are that offended by a cash shop then just stop gaming because its everywhere.

Guess what? I wanted the minions and Slepinir from the shop, I have a good job, I bought them.

Breaking News: World still turns on axis, crops predicted to still grow in spring.

Taking advantage of us would be increasing the sub instead of having a cash shop, because that's forcing a large portion of the playerbase to pay for things they don't want.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Velhart

How are they abusing me? Its items I don't care about

---

Every time. Every single time people try to tell us to just shut up and deal with the cash shop, this is your mentality.

"Oh, these are items I don't care about, so nobody else should."

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Jacost

Taking advantage of us would be increasing the sub instead of having a cash shop, because that's forcing a large portion of the playerbase to pay for things they don't want.

---

Oh, it's OK just because not everyone cares about it. So the people who ARE getting screwed over should just shut up and deal with it.

Time and time again, this is the only argument you people have against this.

What's it like being so self-absorbed that you can't bring yourselves to care about the well-being of others?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Amused

snip

---

Just like time and time again everyone on the other side's argument is that OMFG ITS GONNA BE PLAY2WIN. Which it clearly IS NOT, because it's freaking minions, and if it was there's this little thing called FREE WILL. If I look at a game and feel like it is predatory, then I'll go "Oh, I dont like this or paying this much money, I'm out" and stop playing.

If you HONESTLY believe that not being able to get a doll in a video game is ABUSE, then stop playing. And also, stop trying to portray people who decide they're okay with using their hard-earned money the way they want as uneducated sheeple. Its false equivalency to say that because you feel like something is unfair it makes people who are okay with it unintelligent or gullible.

Again, I wanted the items, bought them, feel fine. Sorry if that breaks your tender little heart.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Amused

Every time. Every single time people try to tell us to just shut up and deal with the cash shop, this is your mentality.

"Oh, these are items I don't care about, so nobody else should."



Oh, it's OK just because not everyone cares about it. So the people who ARE getting screwed over should just shut up and deal with it.

Time and time again, this is the only argument you people have against this.

---

You said SE is abusing all of us, which is not true. I don't see any more money coming out of my pocket than the amount I pay per month and still have access to all content in the game with no paywall standing in my way. Again, being over dramatic, it is minions, not Dreadwyrm gear.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by tocsin

Who are you even talking to?

If you unsubscribed, you are no longer a part of the playerbase. therefore, I really hope that the game devs do NOT care about you. they should be catering to those who actually care enough about the game to stick with it through good times and bad.Please. Find another game to troll, and leave ours alone.

---

This must be trolling. Check Amused's join date. Now I don't agree with Amused on a lot of stuff, but if someone's willing to stick through Version 1 and quits *now* that should be a wake up call.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Saint_Angeles

Just like time and time again everyone on the other side's argument is that OMFG ITS GONNA BE PLAY2WIN. Which it clearly IS NOT, because it's freaking minions, and if it was there's this little thing called FREE WILL. If I look at a game and feel like it is predatory, then I'll go "Oh, I dont like this or paying this much money, I'm out" and stop playing.

---

You are so near sighted.

It's cute that you yet again mock the people that this effects as "being upset for not being able to get a doll in a video game", when the reality of it is, that it's about much more than just these few items we have in the shop now.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Saint_Angeles

If I look at a game and feel like it is predatory, then I'll go "Oh, I dont like this or paying this much money, I'm out" and stop playing.

---

Again, you're clearly demonstrating that you only care about your own interests.

If I

Then I'll

I don't

I'm out