Final Fantasy XIV 3.0 Heavensward

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Originally Posted by Starlord

Is it sad that this Expansion is hyping me up more than ARR?! The trailer send chills through my spine. The Dark Tone ( Song for Heavensward) the trailer has. Also Notice, it's not ARR anymore It's just FFXIV ( With Expansion name)

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yup im sick of "A Realm Reborn", too...

cant stand this story anymore "why the world changed after the catastrophe" .. bahamut and stuff..

Looking forward to the Story around Ishgard.. it has more classic FF mood to it.

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Originally Posted by Tauu

New jobs but not classes. I wonder if they're adding jobs to the current classes or getting rid of the class system.

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they won't get rid of class system...
Yoshi mentioned recently, that they won't make any big changes, cause it would be confusing, if they revamped the whole system.

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Originally Posted by Moqi

Thanks a bunch for all the info :)

So is there hope for a 2.6, based on the timing, or is 2.5 going to be the last expansion? I don't know how these things work in MMOs, the only expansions I've ever bought were for The Sims and Roller Coaster Tycoon :D

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3.0 is expansion, 2.1-2.5 are just patches. and it's not likely to be any 2.6.
2.5 will probably be in feb, and 3.0 in may.

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Originally Posted by Tupsi

More than likely Nidhogg or Tiamat (if in T9 that Hydra isn't Tiamat.) If Shinryu is in this expansion she's been reduced to basically nothing status from her superboss status :p

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could be boss in new raid. but probably they will continuously expand the new raid, like with coil, so Shinryu will probably be last boss before 4.0.

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Originally Posted by Ulathskullsplitter

Since I main Dragoon Im actually disappointed in the heavy focus on dragoons for this expansion. There are already enough bad dragoons giving us a bad name. Going to be way more after this. And Im wondering if its another joke by SE turning derplander into a dragoon for the expansion.

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going to be many more nin, than drg; though i guess the trailer will make drg more interesting, to some folks.

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Originally Posted by ClaireKriess

I can't wait to be up on the floating landmasses :-D, and do we need to make new characters in this expansion?

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no, why would we? that would make ppl quit.

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Originally Posted by shepherd

Have you guys seen this? https://twitter.com/Ochibi_94/status/523586737587904513 seems to be some guy at the event and went through the dats i hope its true. one of my fav jobs from 11 :o

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that's not dat mining, it's picture from Sokens computer. maybe he just made some music for domans, that sounds sam:ish. but sam job would be nice.

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Originally Posted by Jynx

How they exactly rework the system is up to them but it's painfully obvious they have and never had any plans for the base clases to begin with. They were a relic from the earliest days of 1.0.

The base game should only have the jobs as the classes themselves offer no real alternative play style or advantage in most scenarios of the game. The basic stat bonuses you get from a job crystal often outshine any small advantage being able to cross class a handfull of extra skills ever will.

Chances are eventually you wont be able to be a Rogue anymore...just Ninja. But hell, what do I know chances are they will cling to the class system for unknown reasons.

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i don't think that's what it's about...you go to lancer guild, learn to use a spear, then you use those skills to become drg.
and since they have branching jobs, both SMN/SCH share ACN skills. if they didn't have classes, they would need to add 16 new skills to both SMN and SCH, or split acn skills/add skills to SMN/SCH, and any other *branching jobs* But in short, they'd need 16 skills/job. (well maybe close 30 with class+job skills, to lv 60)
but any job that use spear/lance, would use lancer skills; it doesn't make sense that you'd need to lv the jobs, seperate.
Jobs unlock skills through soul stones, but it doesn't provide you with knowledge about how to use a spear; the LNC guild, does.

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Originally Posted by Naraku_Diabolos

Well, what if Rogue becomes a job (since Thieves are no more) and Ninja remains a job? Look at their weapons. Rogue uses daggers (the "daggers" GLA had are now converted into swords) an Ninja uses katanas. Their weapons are entirely different, yet they dual wield them.

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that would be nin relic in that case. for everything else, rog/nin, will use same weps.

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Originally Posted by Lithera

Not likely. With 2.4 likely at the end of this month, that pins 2.5 at the end of January. That would put the next update in April which would drop on top of Heavensward. Basically 2.5-->3.0. Two more small content patches then the BIG expansion. If we're real lucky we could see the expansion in March. 2.5 will be final CT and end of 2.X Main Story so a week after 2.5 drops there's going to be little else other than Final Coil spam until Heavensward so it would be in their best interest not to dawdle and wait out the normal 3 month patch window.

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they aren't dawdling the expansion :) it's not finished, and takes a long time to do all the new content. they are following a schedule, so they need to follow the 3 month cycle. They can't just quickly add 2.5, and then shortly after, 3.0.

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Originally Posted by Ultimatecalibur

From what I'm seeing and hearing, I bet that the expansion will bring 2 new classes and at least 3 Jobs.

The two classes will likely have one use two handed swords (2HS) and the other guns.
Jobs are likely to include Samurai and Dark Knight.

I expect Dark Knight will either be a 2HS dps job or a Gladiator dps job and Samurai is likely to be a 2HS tank job.

Equipment wise, melee dps/tank main weapon sharing has less problems than caster/healer main weapon sharing due to both melee dps and tanks relying on Strength instead of 2 different stats like Scholar and Summoner do.

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gld->drk doesn't sound plausible, unless they revamp gld. drk would be to OP, with all the defensive buffs, if it's meant to be a DD.

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Originally Posted by Morningstar1337

Assuming there is a 2.5 though (Then again each of the patches introduced a Primal trial and There is that Odin rumor and the fanfest trial)

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there's 6 months to expansion, so there's room for 2.5, in Feb. It will finish up CT, like 2.4 will finish up Coil.

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Originally Posted by Moqi

I like the class system and hope it stays.

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i know a lot of ppl hate it, but i don't really mind it, except that it would be nice if you could use any wep you want, with any job.
would be cool if classes were still tied to weps, but depending on what wep you use, the job will be different. So you could be LNC->PLD, and be more of a DD oriented *holy avenger* than tank.

I wasn't saying they were dawdling I was saying they need to avoid doing so. The xpac is on it's own timeline that should be more or less independent of the current patch cycle. Considering the patches have each been a little more than 3 months apart it would probably be best if the xpac was not that far away from 2.5 (likely first week of Februaryish). Mid-April is not a bad target, but if it's finished before then I can't see an incentive to wait on releasing it.

Classes should be removed and replaced by a generic "Freelancer".
Class names should have just been titles auto generated for how you spec your Freelancer.
That way, classes can still end at 30, and midgame jobs open up as they do currently.
But with the Freelancer tag, the stranglehold Classes are having on holding Jobs back can be done away with

IMO, big class/job changes keep the game fresh. Similar to how WoW removed talent trees, or SWTOR's changes last year and removing talent trees this year.

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Originally Posted by Renik

Have you even read my post?

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Don't take it personal or even bother - He does nothing but personally attack people (and somehow not banned for it) when you dare say anything other than ARR is perfect. Every topic that has anything with "negative" feedback he comes in and attacks them.

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Originally Posted by Altanas

Classes should be removed and replaced by a generic "Freelancer".

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Know the funny part? While NPCs must also have a class tagged to them (even if it does nothing) there's an 'Adventurer' class which is the 'unarmed' class - So if they truly wanted to, they could make the switch to that unarmed class and it be kind of like XI of sorts where weapons doesn't completely define you (since jobs could use multiple in that game) but more so the soulstone + weapon. So as 'Freelancer' you could use most basic skills (cross class etc) but can't really "specialize" or gain traits that specializes in anything.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAihGDs94qc ( In the crowd video, and the energy in the crowd is off the charts!)

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Originally Posted by Starlord

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAihGDs94qc ( In the crowd video, and the energy in the crowd is off the charts!)

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Just like the original XIV announcement and Blue Mage's announcement in XI.

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Originally Posted by Renik

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If you don't like reading what I have to say, put me on the blacklist, I don't even know you. I'm voicing my opinion just like everyone else's. Some people think the class system is horrible, but I actually like getting a class to 30 and then getting a job stone to upgrade it, so we have two storylines and two mentors, I like the distinction between a fighting art that everyone in Eorzea can sign up to learn and the ancient or lost arts that are the traditional FF jobs (makes them feel more important and above all, which I find a nice homage to the series) and if they ever decide to start branching classes into different jobs, the idea of specializing in different styles starting from the same class (like a possible Geomancer job opposite to White Mage) would make me very happy. Stop I'm assuming I'm here to troll. Guess what? I love giving positive feedbacks to the devs and think they'd wanna read it as much as all negative ones (that are far outweight them). I am playing this game because I love it and love to the states the reasons why I do.

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Originally Posted by Radacci

3.0 is expansion, 2.1-2.5 are just patches. and it's not likely to be any 2.6.
2.5 will probably be in feb, and 3.0 in may.

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Thanks. I read somewhere that they wanted to stop focusing on the primals but with the news that they're putting new ones in the exp I have nothing to worry about.

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i know a lot of ppl hate it, but i don't really mind it, except that it would be nice if you could use any wep you want, with any job.
would be cool if classes were still tied to weps, but depending on what wep you use, the job will be different. So you could be LNC->PLD, and be more of a DD oriented *holy avenger* than tank.

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You mean equipping the PLD stone to your LNC?

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Originally Posted by Moqi

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I don't think the class system is horrible, I just don't think it's needed. In FFXIV 1.0 there were only classes, no Jobs. Then Yoshi-P enters and adds jobs ( because he knows most fans like the job system, but with the class system in place he really could just simply drop it, so they added Job Stones).

Notices Yoshi-P never says "new classes", he only says Jobs. Which can be taken in 2 ways:

1) Drop of the class system and use strictly Jobs ( would make things easier, and besides I rarely see anyone using their class now in days, only jobs, so dropping the class system wouldn't do any harm really.

2) Adding jobs to existing classes

Personally, I see the class system as a pointless system, but it doesn't bother me either as it doesn't affect my gameplay. I do think however that the class system ( outside of cross skilling with other classes * That happens to be very limited as it is anyways*) doesn't really do anything for the game as it is, best to remove it so it's one less objective to do when making Jobs.

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Originally Posted by Starlord

Notices Yoshi-P never says "new classes", he only says Jobs. Which can be taken in 2 ways:

1) Drop of the class system and use strictly Jobs
2) Adding jobs to existing classes

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They could still be making new classes along with the new jobs but he just didn't mention it. They are introducing rogue + ninja soon, maintaining the current system approach, which I think would be unnecessary if they were planning to remove classes 6 months later.

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Originally Posted by Starlord

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I get what you mean, I have never gone back to conjurer since I got to level 30 and would never think of doing so, but I don't really see it as a fault in the system. They're like the base from which we build or jobs upon, so there's no reason to go back to them, but it's not like they're thrown away like an old piece of equipment either. I guess it'd made more sense if we had more than one job per class.

I can see why gameplay-wise it's useless but the transition from class to job (getting a new name, a shiny stone to carry around, new storyline/mentor, additional skills) helps break up the monoty of leveling a class. I would welcome more variety in cross-class and the like. Radacci's suggestion was cool, I personally love the way FFTA handles cross-class skills, but whatever they wanna do, I hope they keep the core class/job concept we have now. That's all I'm trying to say.

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Originally Posted by Starlord

Notices Yoshi-P never says "new classes", he only says Jobs. Which can be taken in 2 ways:

1) Drop of the class system and use strictly Jobs ( would make things easier, and besides I rarely see anyone using their class now in days, only jobs, so dropping the class system wouldn't do any harm really.

2) Adding jobs to existing classes

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It could also mean that since a completely new job would require a new class it goes without saying so there is no point in mentioning it.

Now the really interesting part is how Ishgard is mentioned as the fourth city state. The implications are of course: new gathering and crafting classes, another adventuring guild, a new housing ward, a new starting zone, a new grand company...etc.

That's quite big.

i wish they make a specialization for each job, like a lot more trait and player can choose which trait they want to use
so, that warrior and this warrior have something different if they choose not to use some trait
each job will be a bit more unique

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Originally Posted by VesperiaTonberry

i wish they make a specialization for each job, like a lot more trait and player can choose which trait they want to use
so, that warrior and this warrior have something different if they choose not to use some trait
each job will be a bit more unique

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This sounds cool (like class trees with how other rpgs do it) but unfortunately Tanking or Healing can only be done so differently and can only really apply to DPS jobs BUT each class/job already does a specific role so in FFXIV ARR it's more like if you want to do X then Level X Job/Class making each job unique already.

PLD = Defensive CD, single target tank ez, flash on mob crowds somewhat effective but not as good as Overpower
WAR = HP Buff stuffs, overpower mob crowds ez

I've yet to cap any healing class so I can't do the comparisons.

Now if you can blink tank like Ninjas in FFXI (even though that was never intended) that'd be a different story.

What I'd like to see out of the expansion with the jobs is more class splits like with ARC/SCH/SMN

GLD -> PLD/SAM (Already defensive base, split into 2 different kind of tanking, maybe SAM can be the 'blink tank' and do some kind of gimp version of Seigan + Third Eye)

What DRK would stem from idk beats me lol.

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Originally Posted by Balipu

It could also mean that since a completely new job would require a new class it goes without saying so there is no point in mentioning it.

Now the really interesting part is how Ishgard is mentioned as the fourth city state. The implications are of course: new gathering and crafting classes, another adventuring guild, a new housing ward, a new starting zone, a new grand company...etc.

That's quite big.

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In case you did not know, back when we had 1.0, in Coerthas there was a small camp that had the Shepard Guild sign right on one of their buildings. That was going to be a new gathering class at the time, but the original development team never went through with their plan for it. No one actually knows how that class would have worked out. With the current crafting classes, I do not think that there could be any more of them. They pretty much hit all the major points for real-world crafting that we have in life. It's just that Goldsmith actually works with bones, so we could have had a Bone crafting class if the development team took that away from Goldsmith.

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Originally Posted by Starlord

Notices Yoshi-P never says "new classes", he only says Jobs. Which can be taken in 2 ways:

1) Drop of the class system and use strictly Jobs ( would make things easier, and besides I rarely see anyone using their class now in days, only jobs, so dropping the class system wouldn't do any harm really.

2) Adding jobs to existing classes

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3) Expected that the players know that with new jobs also new classes are coming and didn't see a reason to announce the classes to the jobs already

DRK? Probably a new Ishgardian class. As I mentioned above, Ishgard is advertised as the fourth city state, and as we know, quite a lot is required content wise of a city state.
Question is, what classes make sense thematically in Ishgard?

Not to advertise, but I made a thread in the class forum dedicated to this very same question.

I also put a primal thread in the lore forum, and somewhere around here is a thread where the logo is disected.

I think these are the only places where Heavensward is being discussed.
I wouldn't mind one for the zones, either. That weird, floating mountain thingy looks quite intriguing.

The Ishgard castle/city is Alexander, the Holy Primal. It's going to be a repeat of Alex vs. Dragon a la Final Fantasy 9. Please look forward to it.

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Originally Posted by Balipu

Question is, what classes make sense thematically in Ishgard?

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Chocobo Breeder ^^

It does, doesn't it? :D

Well, according to a few sites, the chocobo forest is a confirmed location.

Another thing? What do you guys think? How literal is the title? Might we actually visit other planes of existence during the story? Perhaps as a way to perma-kill Lahabrea and Elidibus, the two ruffians leading Ishgard?

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Originally Posted by Balipu

Another thing? What do you guys think? How literal is the title? Might we actually visit other planes of existence during the story? Perhaps as a way to perma-kill Lahabrea and Elidibus, the two ruffians leading Ishgard?

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Well, when you do the Ixali questline they have a word for their holy place in the sky. I forgot what it was now.. *grumble* but oh well. They believe in a land in the "heavens". It seems their beliefs aren't so far off.

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Originally Posted by Balipu

Another thing? What do you guys think? How literal is the title? Might we actually visit other planes of existence during the story? Perhaps as a way to perma-kill Lahabrea and Elidibus, the two ruffians leading Ishgard?

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Well the sky has been referred to as the heavens and even still does today on rare occasion, so perhaps Heavensward means Skyward, which could mean we are going after something in the sky. But that is only a guess.

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Originally Posted by Rysir

Well the sky has been referred to as the heavens and even still does today on rare occasion, so perhaps Heavensward means Skyward, which could mean we are going after something in the sky. But that is only a guess.

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Don't think it qualifies as a guess when it's been explicitly said we are actually doing just that. Since floating continent and all.

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Originally Posted by Backflippinbadger

Don't think it qualifies as a guess when it's been explicitly said we are actually doing just that. Since floating continent and all.

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I feel safer calling it a guess so I dont accidentally put my foot in my mouth, and it is Final fantasy after all. For all we know the "Floating continent" could be floating underground and the airships we are going to be able to make are flying diggers! Not likely but could happen! Maybe!

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Originally Posted by Rysir

I feel safer calling it a guess so I dont accidentally put my foot in my mouth, and it is Final fantasy after all. For all we know the "Floating continent" could be floating underground and the airships we are going to be able to make are flying diggers! Not likely but could happen! Maybe!

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That's not really going well with Heavensward or Azure Skies of Ishgard if it's underground...

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Originally Posted by lololink

That's not really going well with Heavensward or Azure Skies of Ishgard if it's underground...

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If a train can be suplexed then a sky can be underground! Im only saying Final fantasy is not always 100% straightforward, I was just saying it in a stupid way. Its also called trying to be funny but obviously Im not.

It was funny in your head, and ain't that what matters?












(it ain't)

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Originally Posted by Rysir

Well the sky has been referred to as the heavens and even still does today on rare occasion, so perhaps Heavensward means Skyward, which could mean we are going after something in the sky. But that is only a guess.

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well i think it is called Heavensward for a reason..

http://wac.7725.edgecastcdn.net/8077...2014/10/16.png

Ishgard is referred as a "holy city" which is governed by an archbishop (you saw him in the end of "Through the Maelstrom" Trailer)
So i think that the story in Heavensward has something to do with that "holyness" around ishgard and the bishop


the story has much potential to it ;) im sick of the garleans anyways^^

Maybe the new race is...
From FFXII Revenant Wings
http://i.imgur.com/nA7C5pw.jpg

With the lizard race coming before 3.0

Well actually as far as we know, we could be playing underground the whole time?

Most likely we are not, and heaven really is just the sky, buuut there is no harm in speculating. Especially since we have nothing else to do.

Speaking of which...If we get into Dravania, might we get to the poorly translated Sharlayan for some extra lore?

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Originally Posted by Ghastly

Maybe the new race is...
From FFXII Revenant Wings
http://i.imgur.com/nA7C5pw.jpg

With the lizard race coming before 3.0

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wont think so.. there is only one race to come.. and a winged race would be very awful, too...

i would rather think its going to be this race:
http://img.finalfantasyxiv.com/lds/p....png?3c246f4v1

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Originally Posted by Omegakiyohime

I'd die for a Astrologist/Astronomer -> Time Mage job being added. They (Astrologist) do play a big part in Ishgardan lore since they look to the dragon star to predict Dragon attacks. I'm also in love with the Ishgardan(Ishgardian(?)) architecture. I'd kill for some Coerthan Housing Wards.

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Ishgard is going to be a housing district as well, they talked about this a while ago

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Originally Posted by Rysir

Well the sky has been referred to as the heavens and even still does today on rare occasion, so perhaps Heavensward means Skyward, which could mean we are going after something in the sky. But that is only a guess.

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During the Las Vegas Fan Festival (yesterday), they had a panel where Yoshi P said there were Floating Continents / Land Masses. So, "Yes" I'd imagine we'll have 3.0's version of "Sky" from XI perhaps? (One can only hope.) :) I hope it's as interesting with a good system for the dungeons / spawns (i.e., not just a DF Instance Jump).

I am all down for any overhauls they want to make to the game, especially the UI look, take away that ugly grey, bleh! xP

But I am really happy they aren't afraid to make overhauls and changes to the game and aren't stuck in their own ways, to make the game better!

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Originally Posted by Tonkra

wont think so.. there is only one race to come.. and a winged race would be very awful, too...

i would rather think its going to be this race:
http://img.finalfantasyxiv.com/lds/p....png?3c246f4v1

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Yoshi-P confirmed it at Fanfest

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Originally Posted by Lego3400

Yoshi-P confirmed it at Fanfest

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Well... more along the lines of accidentally letting it slip.

this reminded me of this

http://youtu.be/BCr7y4SLhck?t=35s

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Originally Posted by Drivont

Ishgard is going to be a housing district as well, they talked about this a while ago

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Wait, what? Like, housing as in I put down 4 million gil and can own a house in Ishgard?

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Originally Posted by Moqi

You mean equipping the PLD stone to your LNC?

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yah. and then instead of getting tank:ish pld skills, you get DD skills instead, like spear oath or something,

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Originally Posted by Starlord

Personally, I see the class system as a pointless system, but it doesn't bother me either as it doesn't affect my gameplay. I do think however that the class system ( outside of cross skilling with other classes * That happens to be very limited as it is anyways*) doesn't really do anything for the game as it is, best to remove it so it's one less objective to do when making Jobs.

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It would be a bit awkward to start as lv1 DRG, and go to LNC guild, and learn how to use a spear.
Going to LNC guild, and learning how to use a spear, then become DRG, at lv30...makes a bit more sense.

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Originally Posted by VesperiaTonberry

i wish they make a specialization for each job, like a lot more trait and player can choose which trait they want to use
so, that warrior and this warrior have something different if they choose not to use some trait
each job will be a bit more unique

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that's how they do in many games, and there's always cookie cutter builds, that you need to use,or you're *gimp* and can't come along with the *pros*
i went 4 stats on novus, and ppl calling me gimp, with that (the joke's on them though, cause they spent millions of gil, for less than 1% increase in power)