FC house prices is a step in the right direction for this game! Less casual friendly.

You are right, there needs to be more gear based long term goals IMHO. Getting a relic is a joke in FFXIV. Housing is just a gil dump. It better be worth the investment beyond just having something that looks cool. Because there will be players investing millions of gil into their FC's house and only owners and people with permissions can even do anything to it. If I am going to dump millions of gil into something, it better be of good use to me as a player. Like getting certain types of buffs from having certain rare items in your house.

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Originally Posted by Axidrain

another white knight.

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You either don't understand what a white knight is, or completely missed the point of this thread. Congrats

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Originally Posted by Loony_BoB

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Agreed, they are looking at our savings in essence not our checking accounts which would be more correct on how we spend gil.

Very mob mentality..."You want this house ....HOW MUCH YOU GOTS KID!"

If you think that developers are making MMO's less casual friendly then you obviously have no idea what you are talking about. They want the most people playing their games, feeding them more profit and satisfying the investors. MMO's have only been getting more stream lined as time go by. It saddens me, because I like having lots of long term goals to work towards because thats what keeps me interested long term. Casual's these days just want instant gratification, and by servicing to that, developers only shorten the life spans of their games.

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Originally Posted by Ifervan

Agreed, they are looking at our savings in essence not our checking accounts which would be more correct on how we spend gil.

Very mob mentality..."You want this house ....HOW MUCH YOU GOTS KID!"

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YES! Exactly! This is totally a mob mentality. lol

Why all the hate towards large FCs? Claiming they can not be close, or that they form cliques? My FC is a community. We might not all be BEST OF FRIENDS, but we are all family and help one another. We may be an exception, idk. But We are aiming to reach the best housing possible, and it is very attainable if we all work together (which thus far we have been!)

Why so quick to judge?

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Originally Posted by Seraphita

If you think that developers are making MMO's less casual friendly then you obviously have no idea what you are talking about. They want the most people playing their games, feeding them more profit and satisfying the investors. MMO's have only been getting more stream lined as time go by. It saddens me, because I like having lots of long term goals to work towards because thats what keeps me interested long term. Casual's these days just want instant gratification, and by servicing to that, developers only shorten the life spans of their games.

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You realize that as the current prices stand this isn't "foreseeable" as long term goals for casuals? It's downright impossible to achieve. No one wants to work on something for several years. That is NOT casual. I'm lucky if I can play for 8 hours a week. You're telling me that with my playtime it is perfectly possible for my friends and I (Who play as little as I do) to achieve a house?

And after the translation of the live letter, we are witnessing people complaining that something that takes 3 months to earn is such a pain. Glad Yoshida is doing this. The spoon feeding mentality needs to be toned down!!

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Originally Posted by yoshikwalla

This isn't "anti-casual," it's a long-term goal.

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I'm of the mindset that the long-term goals should come into play during the actual content. Squeenix has decided that grinding gil is more important than experiencing their content; that's completely backwards.

Put all the "long-term goals" they want in the housing itself, but actually getting access to housing should NOT be one of them.

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Originally Posted by Devilray

Get with the program and learn about past MMOs that were actually challenging for once. This is a huge plus for the FFXI veterans.

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Umm... FFXI vet here as well.. and you know what.. screw you and the high horse you think you rode in on!
FFXI was one of the worse MMO's I've ever played. Yes, it was also my first, but I stand by what I said. Being forced to group grind after level 9?! Everything, even the simplest crafted item costing so much that it would take almost a year to grind out the gil for it?
Seriously, what are you on, because if its good enough to make you that cracked, I clearly need it!

Amen, bought time something in the game isn't a freebe.

I like how the misguided minority keeps throwing buzzwords like spoonfeeding thinking they mean anything and keep ignoring and plugging their ears about the fact that no one ever expected to be handed down things. I mean aside from the fact that the game was (re)designed from the ground up to hand out a lot of stuff for minimal stress free effort, everyone expected to pay a lot for housing, that's undeniable. What no one was expecting was 25 million for the smallest plot of land in some servers or to be advertised and introduced to a feature that most can't enjoy or even participate in until pretty much the next patch in March at its earliest. They're also so misguided they think farming gil is content or an acceptable long time goal, I mean sure if I'm not a crafter then saving up for an HQ Vanya is an acceptable goal, especially now that most people having full Darklight so they can spend their philosophy on crafting mats, RMT and this announcement pretty much crashed the markets.

Starting the game and playing through all the content is also an acceptable goal, putting the admittedly really easy effort of beating the storyline to start doing endgame dungeons to gear up all the way to reach Coil and also beat it, that's a great goal that also no one ever expects to get handed out. Saving up 25 million, or if you're really committed, 312 million? Sure it's a long time goal but a really badly planned one and a horrible artificial way of extending a feature and forcing people to keep paying a subscription.

The mindless defensiveness needs to be toned down, but thankfully it's already so minor it doesn't matter.

Yea as a Vet, with a new system (and a FF11 Vet) I enjoyed my mog house.. it didn't cost me a darn thing too. But seeing if i want a large house for all my friends we got to amass like 50x the money. They put to large of a hit on the older servers with pricing, the new servers and mid servers are ok but... for a small group of friends that cant even afford a small for a LONG time is kinda bull crap :P

I am getting really, REALLY tired of people saying that we all wanted the largest house right out of the gate.

I'm also getting tired of people saying that the small houses are affordable.

Check the prices on Durandal and come back and say the same thing.

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Originally Posted by Myhiss

Umm... FFXI vet here as well.. and you know what.. screw you and the high horse you think you rode in on!
FFXI was one of the worse MMO's I've ever played. Yes, it was also my first, but I stand by what I said. Being forced to group grind after level 9?! Everything, even the simplest crafted item costing so much that it would take almost a year to grind out the gil for it?
Seriously, what are you on, because if its good enough to make you that cracked, I clearly need it!

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Why did you play FFXI so long (to call yourself a vet ??????) if you found it so horrible?!

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Originally Posted by Lucke

As soon as an instance is filled, another one opens, that mean *GASP* there are an infinite amount of plots.

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Wrong. You missed the live chat before the patch went live didn't you? He said the reason the prices are so high is because he didn't want a situation in which all the houses would be sold out with nothing left for anyone to buy. They are not implementing that system!

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

And everyone who buys RMT money for said housing will be banned, and the plot/house seized, therefore putting it back on the market. :P

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Everyone "caught." Not everyone who buys RMT gets caught. Proof? There'd be no market for RMT and they wouldn't make the business they do if that's the case. Many people slip away unnoticed.

I'd like to say that, the housing is not user friendly. It has nothing to do with casuals or hardcore players as all it requires is time. Eventually anyone can make enough money to own a house. This is mathematically possible. Turn 5 however. Not for the faint of heart. It requires quick reaction time and a experience in gameplay mechanics. It's not about being a white knight or a dark knight or whatever words you kids are using now a day. The simple fact is that promises were made, and promises were broken. SE has a talent for this sort of thing.

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Originally Posted by Axidrain

another white knight.



wow. farming gil is considered hardcore now?

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No, YOU are the white knight.

Devilray, like many of us are tired of how easy absolutely everything in this game is.

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Originally Posted by misterrpg

No, YOU are the white knight.

Devilray, like many of us are tired of how easy absolutely everything in this game is.

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So you think that the feature most likely to be attractive to casual players is where they should draw the hardcore line in the sand?

Casuals in this game = subs = subsidizing the development of content for hardcore players. You eliminate the casuals, you eliminate the people buying the crafting stuff you put on the markets and the people paying most of the bills for the game. Can it survive only on the hardcore subs? Perhaps -- but with lower profit, it will be less of a priority for future development and content generation will move even more slowly.

This victory you are claiming? It is like winning a "who can punch himself in the face hardest" contest. Well done.

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Originally Posted by LiadansWhisper

I believe (don't quote me on this) that they said the timeline was something like 6 months after 2.1 drops was when personal housing would come out.

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To add to this...I believe they said Personal Housing will come depending on how stressful company housing is on servers. Something like, if it's too much, then they're only going to stick with Company Housing and Personal Housing will not be implemented. That was during a recent Live Letter. I believe Live Letter X...

challenging and tedious don't mean the same thing

Yes, because barring 70% (if not more) of your player base from experiencing content that can be considered a selling point for your game is a good business decision. Good thinking OP...
Also, since when is grinding considered challenging and hardcore?

I wonder; consider allowing FC's to add a modest tax rate on the gil obtained from monsters killed? Not an ideal situation, but could allow the FC to start saving money?

I think the prices are quite outrageous, and don't feel it's an even situation to ask the 4 or 5 wealthy people in my FC to fork out 70% of the cost of a large plot for our crafting FC to get a big house.
I have no idea how long it will take me to attain the money needed to contribute fairly.
My FC has 60 people. For a large plot, that works out to 5.2 million gil each contribution to afford a large plot. However; most of the people in my FC are not that rich, and parting with all their Gil for the FC house is unreasonable to ask.
Second, and my conjecture, people who buy from RMT's to get their houses, I imagine would be investigated. I suspect it's a trap, to lure out more RMT's and buyers, and be lowered later.
My thoughts.

Cheers,
Maximillian Bucks

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Originally Posted by misterrpg

No, YOU are the white knight.
Devilray, like many of us are tired of how easy absolutely everything in this game is.

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farming for months, the new challenge. so hard. not timeconsuming. legitimately hard.

i agree, i miss the ffxi mog houses ! and 20 mil is a lot

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Originally Posted by Devilray

For once, we are actually getting a real challenge in the game that is not obtainable by 99 percent of the playerbase. I am glad SE makes you feel this is impossible because so far it has all been a cakewalk. Honestly, they got it the wrong way around. Relics should have costed 8 mil, not houses. You know, relics costed 100+ mil in FFXI, and Mythic weapons were over 300++ mil. Houses are clearly going to be a luxury item, not a casual reward you get from grinding dungeons or defeating 3 easy bosses. Hope you guys understand and stop crying about RMT and having things become hard. Boo hoo.... Get with the program and learn about past MMOs that were actually challenging for once. This is a huge plus for the FFXI veterans.

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Don't worry, Mr. Elite, this here casual's subscription is due to expire any time now. Back to maybe less graphically gorgeous, but way more playable games. :P