If DF players weren't so bad I wouldn't mind playing with them, but I have a good FC and I want to play with them. Horrible design choices. Wildstar keeps looking better and better.
Can't make a full premade for Crystal Tower...
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11-23-2013, 01:41 AMSynMaris
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11-23-2013, 01:41 AMThriarThat's a good 5 to 6 months out. FCs will have imploded by then over loot/progression drama. In the best case scenario, they'll implode because they've cleared BC in one night, the CT content is so faceroll that you don't even need to strategize(trivial meaningless content for those players), and the only thing holding the FC together is extreme mode primals that only drops weapons. This industry is far too quick paced to make fatal mistakes like this. You cannot use the excuse, "Just wait til patch". By the time the next patch comes out, there will be 1 or 2 new games in open beta, releasing, etc. If SE keeps making these horrible judgement mistakes, their retention rate is going to go way down.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sylve
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11-23-2013, 01:44 AMTupsiTell people this when waiting for money from unemployment or even other MMOs that has a lack of end-game content. "Don't like it? JUST WAIT! KEEP WAITING!"Quote:
Originally Posted by Sylve
Go on, let me know the results. -
11-23-2013, 01:46 AMSuellen
My question is does this mean we are required to go with 6 tanks. And how are these encounters going to be structured so that 6 tanks doesn't feel utterly comical.
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11-23-2013, 01:49 AMOrophinNot to mention if a group of server randoms form up and a guy get their one treasure, there's nothing really stopping them from bailing. (pulled this from Rein's translation, it said you'll only be able to win one item per run)Quote:
Originally Posted by Molly_Millions
It's bad enough CT was held out of official release, but now we're supposed to be complacent with the fact we're even getting it and can't even fully utilize our FC members to run it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sylve
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11-23-2013, 01:49 AMRanzanThis thought made me laugh(still laughing) more then it should. lolololololQuote:
Originally Posted by Suellen
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11-23-2013, 01:52 AMDashuto
When did anyone ever start assuming it was going to be anything but duty finder centric? They mentioned duty finder repeatedly ever since they first spoke about it, and said its not like Coil. I could tell from the beginning that something like this was going to go on, especially since they had originally intended it as pathed content before coil. You use DF for everything else but Chimera, Hydra, etc.
People are massively over reacting to this. Most FC's I am aware of could not even muster 24 whole people for such an event.
No choice was taken from you, it was never stated to begin with, and it should have been assumed you would use DF the entire time. -
11-23-2013, 01:54 AMThriarThe way I read/saw it was this really isn't going to be true 24 man content. It'll be 3 parties of 8 doing their own thing with their own objective with their own loot. Even looking at screenshots, you can see 3 divided platforms, 3 "bosses" per room, etc. Only the last boss seems like it'll be the only boss where you'd potentially need just 2 tanks. Otherwise, it's just minor coordination between the parties in the alliance(I'll get quotes if I need to). These devs say they have played other western MMOs but I swear... it's like they got someone else to play them and they just got a really really bad translation of what the western MMO really entails.Quote:
Originally Posted by Suellen
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11-23-2013, 01:55 AMTupsiBe real. The very fact you can go into any other duty finder/instanced (Coil) content with premade people, why in any stretch of the imagination would someone figure you wouldn't be able to go in with a full premade set of people..?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dashuto
Seriously, why would you even think for a second content designed for a Duty Finder where you can go in with premade parties wouldn't let you go in with premade parties? You can argue that SE has a track record of making odd decisions, but just because your FC doesn't have the people..doesn't mean many others don't either, most FC I see when I examine people have 30-100+ active people. -
11-23-2013, 01:56 AMFyceYou're right, I'm sorry.Quote:
Originally Posted by Namasu
I should have known that there are bazillions FC who desperately want to bring all the 24 people level 50 with decent "start endgame gear" they have online, just to do a casual dungeon.
Also, you've shown me the truth about what guilds and FC are for. That's true, what's the point of a FC if you can't even do end game stuff? Friendship? Same goal? Mutual aid? Naaaaaa. This stuff is garbage, we don't need FC for that! Only end game dungeon, you're right. -
11-23-2013, 01:59 AMKaizluBut we already waited 3 months (will be almost 4 by the 17th) for CT, and now to wait more?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sylve
I understand that people must be patient but come on, this is crazy.
And it's not about playing with strangers, it's about not being able to play in a full-FC alliance party. -
11-23-2013, 02:00 AMSylve
If this is such a problem thats worth quitting over, then ... quit? I don't see the problem. You don't like it. No one forces you to pay the sub. So quit and find another MMO that gives you what you want?
How does welfare payments or a lack of content got to do with the current subject? The content is there, you CAN run it with 3 groups of 8 from your FC members, takes a bit of luck, but the possibility IS there. Yoshi stated bluntly that they didn't get the 24 man premade done in time, so it'd be coming after CT launches.Quote:
Tell people this when waiting for money from unemployment or even other MMOs that has a lack of end-game content. "Don't like it? JUST WAIT! KEEP WAITING!"
Go on, let me know the results.
Release content that 95% of players will enjoy, or hold back completed content because 5% cant play it the way they want to? -
11-23-2013, 02:03 AMOrionInerghem
This is the most shocking, worst, horrible, Idea I've ever heard from the FFXIV team.
A MMO you can only play with 8 people?
If the PS3 isn't the reason why they did this, then Yoshi can tell us all right now.
This seriously has me reconsidering my longterm investment in XIV. -
11-23-2013, 02:03 AMSuellengotcha so kinda like the 2 party missions in GW1.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thriar
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11-23-2013, 02:14 AMNaunetWe shouldn't have to wait another 3-4 months for something that should be out now. A large part of CT's appeal was that it finally offered something for larger FCs to do as a group, rather than splitting people up into smaller sub-groups. That appeal is now gone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sylve
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11-23-2013, 02:16 AMTalyniaYour comment basically says how dare people think they can run content with friends when it comes out because SE said from the beginning it will be through DF!Quote:
Originally Posted by Dashuto
Even if there are only X amount of FC's that could potentially run CT as a whole you can't discount the number of LS people have formed to run CT. Telling people they are overreacting to not being able to do content they have been planning months to do with their FC or LS is kind of silly.
The DF is supposed to be an option and when 2.1 comes out until whenever they actually finish the alliance party thing its a requirement if they want to do the content. That is what has people the most upset. -
11-23-2013, 02:16 AMInvz
I wont play CT if I am forced to play with anyone other than a full 24 man from my FC. I refuse to do endgame content with random people and this is why. I dont trust the skills of random people. I have played with many people from my FC since 1.0 release. I trust them and know their skills. Secondly, I won't do endgame content with people I can't invite to mumble, vent, TS. I dont want to make my mumble server public. Thirdly, I dont want to share loot drops with random people. Playing the dungeon with 16 random people from other servers opens the door to much griefing, trolling, ninja looting.
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11-23-2013, 02:19 AMThriarI wouldn't worry about the difficulty of CT being so hard a DF group couldn't kill it in one session. Loot is per party, so you can still make a pre-made of 8 and sort your loot however you want. But that doesn't make up for the fact you can't bring in a pre-made of 24 people like you said and get more loot for your FC in a more productive manor.Quote:
Originally Posted by Invz
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11-23-2013, 02:19 AMSylveEach 8 player group has its own personal loot ...Quote:
Originally Posted by Invz
So you don't like playing with people outside your little circle? Cool. Thats your choice. Theres people who like playing with random people. I'm one of them, and im sure im not alone.
So far, I have never been griefed in in a dungeon or any of the Primals. Maybe im just lucky like that. But groups i end up in are always calm and fun.
Why don't you give an example of 'griefing' that would occur in the Tower? -
11-23-2013, 02:29 AMFyceYou're a living definition of xenophobia applied to MMORPG games.Quote:
Originally Posted by Invz
Congratulations. -
11-23-2013, 02:29 AMRobinthehood
Um....people have a right to be angry about this since its a complete and utter idiotic decision to force people to use the duty finder instead of letting them form their own 24 man group of either fc members, linkshell members, or friends like it is in every other similar mmo in existance.
Stop mindlessly defending a company when they make a stupid mistake or decision cause it doesn't help the game...it only hurts it. -
11-23-2013, 02:29 AMInvzThe same type of stuff that happens currently in the duty finder. People AFK, people lose fights on purpose, people expect to be carried, people use abusive language towards other players because there are no repercussions for it. These are the reasons why I wont use the duty finder now. I have no problem with the dungeon being available on the duty finder, but if I am forced to party with randoms instead of creating premades then I wont do the content.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sylve
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11-23-2013, 02:31 AMRyios
Attitudes of not wanting to play with people outside your fc....
If I want to play a certain way that's my business, not someone elses. I've played MMO's for a decade with no duty finder with a traditional guild. I've established a bond with my guild members and I look forward to playing with them more than anything else about the game. We spent time working together building up a strategy for CT when it comes out and now.... We can't que up with 24....
If there isn't something in CT I need, gear wise, I'll just boycott it till they fix this, one less tank in the que. -
11-23-2013, 02:32 AMEekikiBut that isn't what people are saying. The people who you say are "defending" it are for the most part saying that this isn't their "decision". This is just how it's gonna be at first, because it will take some major reprogramming of the duty finder and party system to make it possible. Don't forget that Crystal Tower was supposed to be in the game at release. If they delay it anymore they might as well not even bother releasing it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Robinthehood
I call BS. How could you "build up a strategy" for CT? You have no idea what the mechanics of the place are at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryios
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11-23-2013, 02:33 AMTahldon
I'm really not one to complain, but... If I can avoid it... I try not to use Duty Finder at all.
I'm just not a fan of how silly people act in it. -
11-23-2013, 02:33 AMSylveHeh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Invz
AFK= Vote kick (Confirmed in letter coming in 2.1)
Trolling/Griefing/Douchebag = Welp, that guy is on the same server as 7 other people in his group. Guess who just got blacklisted by potentially 7 different FCs if the Premade containing such a stupid player was a shoutcraft group.
The option to report those players exists, as they're on your own server.
Try again? -
11-23-2013, 02:34 AMRobinthehoodIt's all well and good that you enjoy using the duty finder to play with random and new people. which can be exciting at times, but its wrong that they're forcing people to use it when many, if not all end game fcs have been preparing to run it with one another.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sylve
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11-23-2013, 02:35 AMAsakura93The blind hate of everything the developrs do...Quote:
Originally Posted by Joshyuchiha
EDIT: The devs will NEVER be able to please you guys, sheesh. ~.~
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11-23-2013, 02:36 AMSylveIm not sure how many times this needs to be said, but you realize the inability to queue as a 24 man Alliance is temporary, and is being fixed between 2.1 - 2.2, at worst 2.2 will fix it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Robinthehood
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11-23-2013, 02:36 AMDarkhaund
My FC are not doing this BS dungeon untill we cna make our OWN alliance..
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11-23-2013, 02:36 AMRobinthehoodTo hell with all that nonsense. SE should already have that shit coded and programmed into patch 2.1 ESPECIALLY since it was supposed to be out since release. theres no excuse for this ridiculousness this time around.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eekiki
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11-23-2013, 02:38 AMReithDynamisI'm sorry... did they not say awhile back it was going to be a duty finder content anyway? And apparently its not they have not attempted to get the issue fixed which they have not but promise too? hmm. But to be honest keep on QQ harder.Quote:
Originally Posted by Robinthehood
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11-23-2013, 02:39 AMDarkhaund
Yes... THIS IS PATHETIC........ getting a competent group for titan in DF is hard no imagine finding 16 other people...
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11-23-2013, 02:39 AMInvzMy point is still valid. I dont care if they add a votekick, my time was still wasted. I dont care if a jerk's reputation is harmed on his own server, my time was still wasted by even having to play with him in the first place. That is why I choose to form premades instead of using the duty finder. If SE takes away my right to choose to play with randoms or form my own group, then I will just choose to not play the content.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sylve
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11-23-2013, 02:39 AMSeig345
Demand SE split patch content up.
Throw a fit when CT and pre-made alliance system isn't released in same patch.
Sounds like a verbose meme to me. -
11-23-2013, 02:42 AMashikenshinRage posting!Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkhaund
Who cares dude.
better yet. quit the game! that will teach them lol
you do know this will get fixed right? or are you going to skip reading anything because of rage?Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkhaund
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11-23-2013, 02:42 AMAsakura93Welcome to the NA/EU forums. Nearly everyone only complains and hates here. Nothing new. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Seig345
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11-23-2013, 02:43 AMSylveSo ... Don't?Quote:
Originally Posted by Invz
They're giving us content to play. They're not parachuting into your room and forcing you to play it.
If you don't like it .. don't do it, and wait for the addition of 24 man premades. Problem solved.
Hurray for choices! -
11-23-2013, 02:47 AMThriarQuote:
Originally Posted by Eekiki
Whoa whoa so you are saying they programmed DF to not work with their 24 man content before it's released. Stop white knighting. They knew they had 24 man content. Why didn't they program the DF to handle 24 people queuing up for CT in a pre-made. Jesus, just listen to yourself. This should've been programmed from the get-go. Reprogramming it shouldn't even be a discussion. It should have never happened in the first place. -
11-23-2013, 02:50 AMKrenianKandos
I will admit that I'm curious about the reasoning behind why they decided that this would be the best way to go forward: Is it a technical thing? Is it because they rather have multiple small groups to be able to get into the instance without having to get so many people?
What i can see happen is people who have big groups that are possibly doing Coil right now will just shrug and say eff it and continue doing Coil. I mean, why bother doing Crystal Tower at this point if you're a hardcore endgamer anyway? the ILvl is lower than Coil and you're already clearing it and you can still run the same setup you are right now.
I just don't understand what could honestly compel them to do this, short of it being technologically impossible. It boggles me.