Does SE not realise their game has no content?

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Originally Posted by Skullcrusher

I could level another crafting class to 50, but this is how i did my armourer... Buy mythril and cobalt bars cheap, hand in the leve ( nets extra gil and xp ) . thats fail mmo crafting.

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I see people say stuff like this a lot. Here's the question: how's your gear progression on your armorer? All HQ gear, overmelded? No? Guess what, you're no more done leveling that class than someone who recently dinged 50 is done leveling their DoW job.

Without proper gear and without a TON of cross-craft skills, you're not reliably able to do the hardest content. The MMO crafting system didn't fail, you just chose a sneaky route to get sorta close to the top and then declared yerself done.

(apologies if you have, in fact, fully geared up your armorer, but it sure doesn't sound like it from your description)

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Originally Posted by Accolades

You don't have to level every job to 50 to be done. Believe it or not some people don't like playing other jobs. I for one only like tank classes. As with most games I don't pay attention to story that's what movies/tv/books are for.

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Funny you should say that about the story as, honestly, that's the hallmark of a Final Fantasy game, the story. It's why we play them, why we buy each and every one, and why we complain when we're done (oh god, seriously, who thought up the sequels?). I didn't get interested in XIV because it was new, I was interested in the story. And I loved it! I loved the story of 1.0, I love the story of 2.0. Rushing through the content only serves to skip the story and miss the whole point of the game.

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Originally Posted by Accolades

As with most games I don't pay attention to story that's what movies/tv/books are for.

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Just, mind-boggling. Hey, here's a suggestion: maybe try paying attention to the story! You might even enjoy it!

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Originally Posted by Accolades

As with most games I don't pay attention to story that's what movies/tv/books are for.

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You are playing a FF game, that is known for it's storytelling above all else. When you got this game, what exactly did you expect to get?

Did SE notice the game has no content? No idea.

Did I realize the game has no content? Nope! Thanks for telling me though, I was so busy playing every spare moment and not having enough time to do everything I want to do in the game that I completely failed to notice the lack of content. I don't know what I would do without helpful posters like you! Have a cookie.

I honestly think the biggest issue in this game is the methods for experiencing each kind of content are either flawed, overshadowed by FATE's, or simply aren't fun. Some made comparisons to GW2 and to me, that game gives players many options to experience content with different class builds, strategies, and most importantly, more fun and varied ways to navigate end game. Speaking as a player with almost 1700 hours logged for GW2, and a 1.0 beta until now player of XIV/ARR, I think this game has a decent amount of content, just that much of it is imbalanced, too easy, or not fun to do. They need to refine the way players do things so that the activity of crafting, gathering, or doing dungeons feels fun and rewarding, and not like a chore. That's the magic that kept me playing GW2. 2.1 looks to be heading in that direction, but these changes need to happen sooner then later. If the journey and methods of getting to end game, and experiencing end game as well as crafting/gathering/storytelling were improved and were more fun, then I honestly feel we would see less threads like this one.

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Originally Posted by Arale

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See? That's how you do criticism. Not being condescending and/or an asshole.

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Originally Posted by Mega_Man_U

See? That's how you do criticism. Not being condescending and/or an asshole.

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I don't understand this concept of not being condescending/assohole. If I'm not a horrible person who only evoques anger in others, then they won't notice me and love me for how awesome I am!

So from what I see, half of the responses are "but you don't have any other classes to 50" and the other half is "how is grinding FATES content?" Then I see "you have to wait for more content to be released."

There's 0 reason to level another class. The Mythology cap makes it completely pointless to level another class until around January, because unless you're getting gear from Coil (which you can only run once per week on 1 Job), it would have taken from launch to January if you capped every week just to get full Mythology gear on 1 Job.

Also, if you actually add up the story for each class, it would take you about 10minutes to read the entire storyline that you get each 5 levels from leveling a class.

There's 0 reason for (me specifically) to level crafting. All of the gear I have is better than what I can craft, and as far as other classes, who in their right mind would want to run CM/Prae/AK/WP a million more times to get the peacock ore to gear up a character that can't even run the end game because you can only run Coil once per week and you'll be doing that on your main class?
Also, you can sell your "services" as a crafter to make gil that doesnt buy ANYTHING but crafting gear that I don't need because the only reason you'd get it is to run Coil that I've already done.

Other then that, there are achievements, Obtain 10million Gil from Levequests. Do any of you realise how long it would take to get that achievement? There's a statistic I read that said about 3years. Whether or not that be true, you can go to a high level levequest and estimate it for yourself.

There's no extracurricular activities and while there are "things" to do, if you compare this to ANY OTHER MMO as release, it has literally the least amount of content. The only reason this game is currently staying afloat is because it has Final Fantasy in the name and if 2.1 treasure hunting or PVP doesn't bring something amazing to the table, this game will crash and burn just like 1.0 did.

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Originally Posted by Raelton

There's 0 reason to level another class

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Except fun. Because if you take fun out of the equation, then there is also zero reason the play the game at all. Or any game.

What it boils down to is this... most of you people complaining about content... don't even know what content you even 'want' to begin with. If most of you did, you'd be ranting about it specifically. Yet those who are, are complaining about wanting 'more content' in general. The second the question of 'well, what content is it that you are looking for?" comes up, they tend to get quiet. Are you saying you want more dungeons to do? More quests? That you are eager for PVP to come? That you want more raids? Cuz most MMOs I know of never release multiple raids at the same time this early on yet anyways. Do you want pokemon type pet battles? Or is it you simply just wish to have something to complain about after rushing through the content? What... is.....it..that...you...specifically.....'want'? I'm being pretty legit here with this question, so please, don't confused the way i'm asking it as being condescending or trollish.

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Originally Posted by Nuit

Except fun. Because if you take fun out of the equation, then there is also zero reason the play the game at all. Or any game.

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Grinding FATES is fun to you? I don't even have to look at the screen to do a FATE. Then when you character is 50 and you want to run challenging content but can't because you run Coil on another Job with your FC what do you do?

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Originally Posted by Raelton

Grinding FATES is fun to you? I don't even have to look at the screen to do a FATE. Then when you character is 50 and you want to run challenging content but can't because you run Coil on another Job with your FC what do you do?

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I think there are many players that find "Progression" fun even though if the content is bad as long as they progress.

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Originally Posted by Raelton

Grinding FATES is fun to you? I don't even have to look at the screen to do a FATE. Then when you character is 50 and you want to run challenging content but can't because you run Coil on another Job with your FC what do you do?

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I level classes by grinding dungeons with friends plus the occasionnal fate, and yes that is a lot of fun. Sure, doing fates exclusively would be faster. But then I would not be having fun. Since I play games to have fun, it seems pretty obvious what I should and should not do.

If you don't have fun doing any of the content then, maybe the game is not for you.

Some things that might help -

Lvl crafting, try for Achievements, Lvl another job, help out other FC members to get ahead, get a job in RL.

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Originally Posted by Nuit

I level classes by grinding dungeons with friends plus the occasionnal fate, and yes that is a lot of fun. Sure, doing fates exclusively would be faster. But then I would not be having fun. Since I play games to have fun, it seems pretty obvious what I should and should not do.

If you don't have fun doing any of the content then, maybe the game is not for you.

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The issue is that you are the minority and from an business standpoint the game was designed terribly.

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Originally Posted by Yukonjack

Some things that might help -

Lvl crafting, try for Achievements, Lvl another job, help out other FC members to get ahead, get a job in RL.

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Everyone I play with (including myself) has full time jobs. Just because you move at a snails pace doesn't mean everyone else does.

That has nothing to do with anything.... you'd still complain about lack of content by the sound of it. The real answer to the question I asked it seems is, you just want more dungeons to burn through asap. That doesn't sound like the game lacks more content. This sounds more like an issue of whiny players.

"No content"? Should have played 1.0...

Some people in these forums sound like customer #1

http://www.collegehumor.com/article/...our-retail-job

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Originally Posted by Raelton

The issue is that you are the minority and from an business standpoint the game was designed terribly.

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Nope, you are.

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Originally Posted by MageBlack

"No content"? Should have played 1.0...

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I did play 1.0, quit twice as fast as this game. I log on this game once a week to clear coil in 30minutes, hoping that something in 2.1 will have any sort of longevity.

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Originally Posted by Ronzeru

That has nothing to do with anything.... you'd still complain about lack of content by the sound of it. The real answer to the question I asked it seems is, you just want more dungeons to burn through asap. That doesn't sound like the game lacks more content. This sounds more like an issue of whiny players.

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I've listed all of the content in the game and why/why not it's fun or not. I played UO, FFXI, Rift and WoW for 8years, never once complained about content.

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Originally Posted by Raelton

I've listed all of the content in the game and why/why not it's fun or not. I played UO, FFXI, Rift and WoW for 8years, never once complained about content.

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Uh huh.... which is why I know you are BSing.. because i've 'also' played those games for 8 years... and when they first came out, they were pretty much the same thing. Dungeons, quest leveling, 'one' raid... pvp. If not, then go ahead... list something 'different' that they had more of. I'm curious as to what it is you think they had as extra content.

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Originally Posted by Raelton

I've listed all of the content in the game and why/why not it's fun or not. I played UO, FFXI, Rift and WoW for 8years, never once complained about content.

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shouldn't you go back? I mean it's like 4 months until 2.2 comes out, why not play something else in the meantime? or your boredom isn't hard enough to quit?

something is not right if you don't quit

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Originally Posted by Starlord

You are playing a FF game, that is known for it's storytelling above all else. When you got this game, what exactly did you expect to get?

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This games story is the worst out of all the FF's I've played.
I'm not saying it's horrible but it's not that good at all in comparisons. It gets good when you're 40+.
[The whole Scion business, no spoilers.] It's sad that the ball finally gets rolling around that time.
And I admit, I had a lot of fun in my 40's.

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Originally Posted by Raelton

who in their right mind would want to run CM/Prae/AK/WP a million more times to get the peacock ore to gear up a character that can't even run the end game because you can only run Coil once per week and you'll be doing that on your main class?

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Hi Raelton, I'm Molly. Nice to meet you.

I don't do coil as my main class unless one of our tanks is unavailable. I run Coil as whatever our group needs. As such, I basically main 5 classes. This is what the armory system was designed for. Nevermind myth tomes, do you know how many philo tomes it takes to full gear out WAR, PLD, WHM, BLM, and DRG with DL and relics? (Not to mention helping my [125 man] LS and FC with story and relic quests as well as primal fights.) Yeah, I'm not done yet, and I play somewhere in the neighborhood of 40 hours a week.

But please go on, tell me how there is nothing to do. I for one, am constantly busy in-game.

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Originally Posted by Raelton

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Why bother posting just to reiterate your initial point?

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There's 0 reason to level another class.

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It's fun to play other classes. My main is a tank but sometimes I'd like to be a DPS instead. The roles in combat are really different, the experience is different. How hard is that to understand?

Serious question: why do you play this game, at all? You clearly get zero enjoyment out of any content and are focused only on things you have a 'reason' to do. You don't want to do any other content, because it doesn't 'progress' your character at all. What do you think exists at the end, for when you've 'progressed' to the top? Are you really so blind that you can't see the treadmill you're on?

Frankly, I'll go ahead and say it: the casuals (including me) have a superior mindset than yours. We get more enjoyment out of the same product, the game will last much longer, and there's apparently a lot less feeling butthurt all the time. Every one of you 'hardcore progression' types could quit, and I wouldn't care even a little, as I've never seen a whinier group of children in any game I've ever played.

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Originally Posted by Raelton

I've listed all of the content in the game and why/why not it's fun or not. I played UO, FFXI, Rift and WoW for 8years, never once complained about content.

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So what you're saying is, this thread is still on the front page because it's an argument over what 'fun content' is, and since that ultimately boils down to personal preference and has no all-encompassing answer, this thread will go on forever until the next buzz-worthy opinion-as-fact thread pops up.

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Originally Posted by Ronzeru

Uh huh.... which is why I know you are BSing.. because i've 'also' played those games for 8 years... and when they first came out, they were pretty much the same thing. Dungeons, quest leveling, 'one' raid... pvp. If not, then go ahead... list something 'different' that they had more of. I'm curious as to what it is you think they had as extra content.

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All of those games (excluding Rift) were the first or close to first games of their time. There was no standard they had to live up to or compete against, that's why they were popular. Rift had a lot of content, a fuck ton actually in comparison to FFXIV. If that isn't obvious then you havn't played the game.

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Originally Posted by Raelton

All of those games (excluding Rift) were the first or close to first games of their time. There was no standard they had to live up to or compete against, that's why they were popular. Rift had a lot of content, a fuck ton actually in comparison to FFXIV. If that isn't obvious then you havn't played the game.

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Ok. But... what was this content you were talking about? You know, aside from questing, dungeons, leveling, (Rift being the game that introduced Fates) and PVP. What is the other content you're trying to tell others these games had?

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Originally Posted by Ronzeru

Ok. But... what was this content you were talking about? You know, aside from questing, dungeons, leveling, (Rift being the game that introduced Fates) and PVP. What is the other content you're trying to tell others these games had?

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Who said it had to be other content? There was just more of it, plain and simple.

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Originally Posted by Raelton

Who said it had to be other content? There was just more of it, plain and simple.

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More of what?

Dude, you can't expect an emotional argument (which is what they are putting forward) to be backed up by actual, yaknow, examples or logic. It's not the point of what they are doing.

And here's your proof:

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Originally Posted by Raelton

Who said it had to be other content? There was just more of it, plain and simple.

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This is simply BS. I have played most of the other recent releases of MMOs, I can't think of any of the recent releases who had MORE content than ARR does (with one exception). TOR certainly didn't, there wasn't a damn thing to do at endgame and crafting was/is a joke. Neverwinter? TERA? RIFT?

The only one I'll grant ya on is TSW, a great game that unfortunately goes mostly ignored by the MMO crowd these days.

Q Does SE not realise their game has no content?

A The game has content, if it had none you would be looking at a blank screen. You would have had nothing to install. You would have taken the blank disc back to the store or already have a refund for the 0mb file you tried to download.
Now if what you meant was, i wish there were more content. Then good news SE will add lots of content over time. All you have to do is stop making silly over dramatic posts on the forum and wait.

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Originally Posted by Xystic

More of what?

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Dungeons, there was pretty much the same amount of leveling dungeons and when you hit max every dungeon had a level 50 version and there were 2 tiers of 50 dungeons to progress through. Also there were achievements for every boss and multiple achievements for each boss, giving all of the dungeons a lot of replay value.

There was PVP... period.

As far as leveling, once you finished your first class, you could actually start another one and either do quests again or Rifts or dungeons. You weren't stuck just grinding FATES or doing dungeons that took 20times longer.

And I kind of already mentioned achievements, but they actually had interesting acheivements. Puzzles in the world, artifacts, etc... Achievements that weren't completely linear.

I never said that I thought there should be different things then the traditional MMO, but there should definitely be more things to do.

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Originally Posted by Raelton

I did play 1.0, quit twice as fast as this game. I log on this game once a week to clear coil in 30minutes, hoping that something in 2.1 will have any sort of longevity.

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Wow, Coil 1-5 in 30 minutes? I'm interested in this stream. I'm obviously doing something wrong in my group.
Tips?

Funny how Raelton makes his stance of '0 reason to level anything else' sound like that is what everyone's thinking. Not everyone is as picky as you are and apparently most find other aspects of the game enjoyable, unlike you. If you don't like it, stfu gtfo. No one's making you play this game.

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Originally Posted by Nabiri

Perhaps take a break from the game for a little while to wait for new content. The game is only a few months old, so there's not much to it yet.
In a year or so this game should have plenty of things to do.

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In a year or so .. LOL
Yeah this was a re-release and yet 2.1 brought nothing new actually worth doing.
Im not going to wait a year for something decent. Fail Release.. A 2013 AAA Release should have produced more

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Originally Posted by Raelton

Who said it had to be other content? There was just more of it, plain and simple.

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.....More of.... more of 'what? I don't recall there being multiple raids. Do you mean more 'dungeons'? More quests? You are being very roundabout.

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Originally Posted by Raelton

Dungeons, there was pretty much the same amount of leveling dungeons and when you hit max every dungeon had a level 50 version and there were 2 tiers of 50 dungeons to progress through. Also there were achievements for every boss and multiple achievements for each boss, giving all of the dungeons a lot of replay value.

There was PVP... period.

As far as leveling, once you finished your first class, you could actually start another one and either do quests again or Rifts or dungeons. You weren't stuck just grinding FATES or doing dungeons that took 20times longer.

And I kind of already mentioned achievements, but they actually had interesting acheivements. Puzzles in the world, artifacts, etc... Achievements that weren't completely linear.

I never said that I thought there should be different things then the traditional MMO, but there should definitely be more things to do.

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I'm sorry. My mistake. I didn't see this post of yours. So aside from PVP... there wasn't really much anything different? And The rifts were pretty much just fates, which you said you are tired of anyways. And the fact that you said in this game it takes 20times longer, makes it sound like you hit the wall much faster in that game than you did in this one. At least if I understand what you meant by that comment is correct.

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Originally Posted by Itchyness

Funny how Raelton makes his stance of '0 reason to level anything else' sound like that is what everyone's thinking. Not everyone is as picky as you are and apparently most find other aspects of the game enjoyable, unlike you. If you don't like it, stfu gtfo. No one's making you play this game.

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Dude this game is horrid. Your telling me u enjoy fate grind another class. And when i do Coil on my Paladin . i can do it on my monk or healer cause its character not class locked.
This game does everything it can to punish ALT lvling. Not to mention the 100s of other things wrong