The Ultimate Black Mage Resources with Damage Calculator

I agree with the -202 Det adjustment, which is the raw Det of a naked lvl 50 BLM using the lvl 1 weapon.
I also think that Int has a similar adjustment, in the sense that the Int we see, obviously and not obviously is (Job Base + Race Base + Allotment + Gear). So the lowest baseline to use for Int would be just the Job Base, for which we need to know the Race Base, and we can assume +30 Allotment.

This gives us a few options for these 2 parts of the equation:
A*Int , A*(Int-IntBase) , A*(Int/IntBase) , A*[(Int-IntBase)/IntBase] , or A*[1+(Int/IntBase)]. The same structures go for Det.

Weapon Damage most likely has its own linear coefficient, and is THEN acted on by Det... Although it IS possible that WD is acted on by BOTH Int and Det, but it is unlikely from a coding standpoint... But I need more data to confirm that.

As to variance in crit damage/healing. The modifier for crit is 1.5x, there is no variance in the modifier itself. However this does not help much since the variance in the "uncritted" damage is still there. I could just take the total crit damage and divide it by 1.5, then throw it back in... but meh, I'll try that later.

Back in RIFT, before 2.0, critical hits were an excellent source of data because they had a very simple equation: Your max damage * 1.5
So for a given set of stats and buffs, a given ability would have variance in its non-crit hits, but every single crit hit for the exact same amount. You could crit for 3287 with an attack, and later under the same conditions, that attack would crit for 3287. So we could do a lot of optimization based off crits, stating that the crit was 1.5x your 100% damage, and your real damage would be ~ 95.3% of your 100% damage, given a +-5% swing from your average.

Sadly there is no way to get a 100% consistent output for any ability in this game, which makes the math a little harder.

Edit: BLM Job Int seems to be 224.

Fyi, I'm still alive and well.. :O

Life is owning me at the moment (in a good way)

I'll try to get the new BiS Gear page updated tomorrow or Saturday.

Cheers.

I'm sorry if this has been asked (I quick searched the thread and didn't find anything) but for the crit chance, is the "+1% at 129 gear crit points" factored into the 13.8 crit points per +1% crit chance average? Because if it isn't, wouldn't that mean that 3 theoretical total int (13.8/4.6) should be added to all the gear sets with over 129 crit?

@monochromeMirror - good question. The 13.8 value has the extra +1% crit factored in. If it wasn't factored into the average, then it would take almost exactly 14 pt of crit to equal 1% crit. I added it in there for simplicity's sake.

The actual value is actually.

Added crit = X crit pt per 1 % crit
0 to 128 = ~14.4 pt
129 and up = ~13.4 pt

But if you take the variation/range (delta) on the crit chance table, it's safe to use the average of 13.8 pt for 1% crit chance because we live in an RNG world, not a perfect one.

Hope that helps.

I should be finished with the new Gear page today. Sorry for the delay. :cool:

Updated 'Gear' and 'Graph' Page
Added 'ACC' Page (Accuracy Cap)

That should be good enough until 2.1 :P

Bis of Bis made me laugh really hard.

whelp im glad the new gear sets are out. I am close to having the full rydia set so ill stick with that Plus...sexy robe is sexy

hello,
my blackmage just hit lvl 50
what should i bought with philo? should i craft something or just use darklight instead?
thank you!

K, question to the dps gurus, BLM and otherwise who peruse this thread.

Traits such as Magick and Mend, Maim and Mend, and Greased Lightning, which have several ranks and "stack", do they stack additively or multiplicative-ly?
Essentially, for a lvl 50 BLM, WHM, and MNK with 3 GL stacks, is the damage bonus:
BLM/WHM - 1.4x or 1.43x? (1.1*1.3)
MNK - 1.21x or 1.225x? (1.07^3)

I have made some headway with my potency formula. Still need more datapoints to refine it past my max stats: 69 WD - 447 Int - 264 Det, but otherwise it seems to be matching my data to within 0.23%, and improving with every datapoint.

I have also constructed a method of determining stat weights using this formula. Sadly the idea of derivatives kinda fell through, so it is more of an empirical structure... but anyway...

Stats: 69 WD - 447 Int - 264 Det - 395 Crit - 489 Speed.
1 Int = 1 Int -> Scale Metric
1 WD = 5.602 Int
1 Det = 0.341 Int -> 1 Int ~ 3 Det
1 Crit = 0.179 Int
1 Speed = 0.207 Int

So according to this, with my gear (+1, mostly DL, 3 Coil pieces), my stat priority is WD >> Int > Det > Speed > Crit.

I also want to take a look at the potential value of the Allagan Scepter from T5. This is being buffed to I95 in 2.1, but will likely still be a 1h, and we still do not have a particularly good shield to go with it.
So, looking at Relic to Relic+1, the WD went up by ~5% and stats went up by ~12% each, some a little more than others. This is a 10 level jump, so perhaps a 5 level jump would see about half of the same % increase.

The T5 weapon has stats: [69 22 0 0 18] WD-Int-Det-Crit-Spd
If we apply half the % increase from the relic change to this, making it roughly I95, it should look something like: [71 23 0 0 19] ... okay, so really only WD went up a half-decent amount lol.
Lets now plug the +1 and this model Scepter into the stat weights and see what we get.
+1 = 431.3 (Int Value)
Allagan = 412.3 (Int Value)

So for the T5 Weapon, with ~I95 stats to be equal to the 2H relic+1, we need to get an additional 20 Int worth of stats on our offhand. The Ancient Buckler, that never ever drops, has 9 Int and 7 Speed, this is worth ~10.5 Int, still not enough to make up the difference. In fact, the Scepter would need an extra 2 WD or an extra 1 WD and 10 Int to be equal to the relic+1.
Another option is the Darksteel Buckler, HQ with capped dps stats [6 Int 6 Det 8 Crit 8 Spd] is worth 11.1 Int... Its actually worth MORE than the shield that nobody has ever seen... But still wont close the gap between a 1H and 2H.

...So, food for thought perhaps.
If anyone can shed some light on my initial question... that'd be greeeaat.

@nostrade - Full darklight or Vanya/Rose Gold set should be able to get you through Turn 1-3 and maybe Turn 4.

Crafted gear will give you a lot more flexibility to mix and match materia pertaining to stats you want but will cost you hefty $$$. Darklight is just straight up selling all your soul grinding for philosophy tomes. They are both similar stats-wise, but crafted gear will pull out ahead by a bit, and you can dye them.

You're definitely going to need Myth/Allagan gear to tackle on Turn 5, though.

About the accuracy cap in Coil. I have 431 ACC on my BLM and missed at least one Fire I and one Blizzard 3 in turn 2 over a couple of hours.

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About the accuracy cap in Coil. I have 431 ACC on my BLM and missed at least one Fire I and one Blizzard 3 in turn 2 over a couple of hours.

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Is there anyway to find out your total # of cast? "Couple of hours" is not a valid data, unfortunately. :(

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Is there anyway to find out your total # of cast? "Couple of hours" is not a valid data, unfortunately. :(

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True. I tried scourging any log files I might've had, but every single one of them showed I did 100 auto attacks and 200 Thunders for a combined damage of 9500 or something bizarre like that. I don't think I can provide anything more valid at this point, and I'm not sure when I can be BLM again for Coil. I'll get back to this, if I have the chance.

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@nostrade - Full darklight or Vanya/Rose Gold set should be able to get you through Turn 1-3 and maybe Turn 4.

Crafted gear will give you a lot more flexibility to mix and match materia pertaining to stats you want but will cost you hefty $$$. Darklight is just straight up selling all your soul grinding for philosophy tomes. They are both similar stats-wise, but crafted gear will pull out ahead by a bit, and you can dye them.

You're definitely going to need Myth/Allagan gear to tackle on Turn 5, though.

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thank you!

Puro,

There is something I have been debating for a while with other BLMs. I always start my rotation with Bliz III, even under full mana just so I can get free Thunder II/III & Fire III at the start of every rotation. My friends, good BLMs, have been arguing that Swift cast Thunder III > Fire III is faster and more DPS. I disagree, I think hard casting Thunder II/III under Ice III is far superior and allow me to save Swift Cast for better use.

What do you think?

Given a situation where you only have 300 mp left and unable to cast any more fire, but you had a firestarter proc from the previous fire cast. Do you solely cast the fire3 proc without any fire1 or go ahead with casting blizzard 3?

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Originally Posted by Zenithx

Given a situation where you only have 300 mp left and unable to cast any more fire, but you had a firestarter proc from the previous fire cast. Do you solely cast the fire3 proc without any fire1 or go ahead with casting blizzard 3?

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Situational really. If you are pressed for time, conflag for example, cast it. Otherwise, what I do is back to Bliz III > Thunder II/III and cast fire III proc at the same time as Thunder is fired.

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Originally Posted by NeoAmon

Puro,

There is something I have been debating for a while with other BLMs. I always start my rotation with Bliz III, even under full mana just so I can get free Thunder II/III & Fire III at the start of every rotation. My friends, good BLMs, have been arguing that Swift cast Thunder III > Fire III is faster and more DPS. I disagree, I think hard casting Thunder II/III under Ice III is far superior and allow me to save Swift Cast for better use.

What do you think?

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The prob is the start. while with a good tank sure you may pull it of and things go well but as we gear up even tanks as geared as we are can struggle getting aggro at the start of a fight due to them not being able to make enough agrro for a burst.

Every time i see a blm other than me do that at the start and pull a mob i just shake my head. heck even hardcasting sometimes is not enough. some blm just do not get the concept of letting the tank gain aggro first.

What? BLM can't tank? Tomfoolery!

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Originally Posted by PuroStrider

Is there anyway to find out your total # of cast? "Couple of hours" is not a valid data, unfortunately. :(

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New info!

746 hits and one miss in T1 with 431 ACC.

Just a quick question, and I apologize if you've answered this already, but have you tested the viability of THM with Allagan Scepter plus Darksteel Buckler? I know you lose 20 INT just from unequipping the soul crystal, and it would mean purely using Allagan gear instead of any Sorcerer's gear, but you also gain 2 additional DPS cooldowns, Internal Release and Blood for Blood, which have a fairly substantial uptime. With the ilvl of the Scepter going up to 95 in a week, is it possible to be a DPS gain, single-target? (I'd imagine its worse for AoE, since you lose Flare)

I'm only curious because BLM is my off-class (SMN is my main), and I just got the Scepter. Being my secondary class, I haven't been able to purchase any Myth gear other than the Belt and Accessories.

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Just a quick question, and I apologize if you've answered this already, but have you tested the viability of THM with Allagan Scepter plus Darksteel Buckler? I know you lose 20 INT just from unequipping the soul crystal, and it would mean purely using Allagan gear instead of any Sorcerer's gear, but you also gain 2 additional DPS cooldowns, Internal Release and Blood for Blood, which have a fairly substantial uptime. With the ilvl of the Scepter going up to 95 in a week, is it possible to be a DPS gain, single-target? (I'd imagine its worse for AoE, since you lose Flare)

I'm only curious because BLM is my off-class (SMN is my main), and I just got the Scepter. Being my secondary class, I haven't been able to purchase any Myth gear other than the Belt and Accessories.

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No buff going to cover 20 INT, I can tell you pure fact with every single buff you can use including bfb and internal release will not cover the loss of 20 int, not to mention how underwhelming is darksteel. 20 INT will be there 100% of the time regardless how short or long the fight while buffs are not.

Beside Flare, I mean the main snake ate 4.8k flare today in T5 lol (Raging + Mega Int + Foe + debuff stacks.)

Edit: I forgot ManaWall, best in game oh shit button.

Updated 'ACC' Page.

@Waliel - Thanks! I updated the page. Would be great if you could provide which spell was missed because that miss might be from physical attack.

@Thane - NeoAmon pretty much covered it. The difference in gear choice, bonus INT, and BLM spells outweighs THM's extra cross-class buffs tremendously.

Btw I have been pushing it with 427 Acc on T5 (14 pull, from phase 1 to 4 or 5 without a kill), I have missed 5 times according to FF XIV APP, but I did not actually notice them.

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I will miss UI3 > Flare > Flare > Transpose > B2 > B2 and (Ballad) B3 > Flare > Flare, though.

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why would you use UI3 instead of AF3 for flare? is that what speeds up cast times?

and you guys are way to deep into this. the normal rotation of

b3-f3-f2(spam)-flare should be good enough no need to examine everything

Puro, hope you are free the next couple of days after patch 2.1. Lots of changes to our BiS and god knows what ninja nerf we received. In any case seems Twintania drop and the ancient buckler going to be our BiS and huge portion of our Acc going to come from them. If you need any help let me know.

for the det set allegan boots will be ommited i gotta get the sorcerer one.

Just finished reading 2.1 patch note..

Good night sweet Allagan Boots.

Can't wait to see them ilvl90 PvP gears, though.

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Just finished reading 2.1 patch note..

Good night sweet Allagan Boots.

Can't wait to see them ilvl90 PvP gears, though.

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well sadly i need to buy the sorcers boots now

So with the changes to Allagan Boots, I'm guessing Sorcerer's Crackows will be BiS across all sets now.

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So with the changes to Allagan Boots, I'm guessing Sorcerer's Crackows will be BiS across all sets now.

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Nope, our BiS became Allagan Sceptre (ilvl95) and Ancient Buckler (ilvl90). They are loaded with Acc so our entire BiS might have good 2-3 changes.

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Beside Flare, I mean the main snake ate 4.8k flare today in T5 lol (Raging + Mega Int + Foe + debuff stacks.)

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http://i.imgur.com/izwwVr4.png

GOAT flarebomb. Sorry accidently cut off the column marks, the 5931 number is under Max Dmg.

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Nope, our BiS became Allagan Sceptre (ilvl95) and Ancient Buckler (ilvl90). They are loaded with Acc so our entire BiS might have good 2-3 changes.

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Assuming you can get or even have access to those 2 weapons.

I have an allagan scepter. So do many other BLMs, most groups that cleared twintania in the weeks after world clear are on their 5th - 7th clear, so its not all that rare anymore. Just need to confirm where Ancient Shield is in 2.1, it was listed among the new items.

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@Waliel - Thanks! I updated the page. Would be great if you could provide which spell was missed because that miss might be from physical attack.

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Fire.

/requirednumberofcharacters.

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Nope, our BiS became Allagan Sceptre (ilvl95) and Ancient Buckler (ilvl90). They are loaded with Acc so our entire BiS might have good 2-3 changes.

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Yeah, I wasn't really counting on Ancient Buckler, since we still don't know where its from. But it would be nice to get rid of the Darksteel Buckler. I suppose the new Allagan boots would be nice for the DET and SS set if you could make up the Accuracy elsewhere. I'm currently focusing on building the DET BiS set, since its the most consistent and not RNG dependent.

@Waliel - Thanks m8

@Thane - I believe the Ancient Buckler can be obtained via PvP tokens (IIRC from patch note).

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@Waliel - Thanks m8

@Thane - I believe the Ancient Buckler can be obtained via PvP tokens (IIRC from patch note).

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No way, otherwise there would have been a note next to it saying it is a pvp items as every other ilvl90 pvp item. Plus there is no one handed pvp wp for BLM being added, all new blm pvp and pve weapons are two handed.

Edit: please be wrong, please be wrong, pleaaaaaaaaaaaaaaase :(

well the database is updated. http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...min_item_lv=51 i guess we may see some new bis items. or new sets with the extreme assesories and wep.

I think if the Ancient Buckler was a PvP weapon, it would have Morale, which it currently doesn't. There would probably also be a Rank requirement, like the Direwolf weapon does.

Ancient Buckler: http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...m/ff64db94fce/
Allagan Scepter i95: http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...m/02a1f86be79/ Magic Damage +2, INT+2, Acc+2, SS+1 (in comparison to the current Allagan Scepter)

The PvP weapon is the Direwolf Longstaff i90: http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...m/bcc9bbb3f54/

I've heard rumors that its a potential reward from the Extreme Primals quest-line. I really hope so, because its the first thing I'm getting if that's the case. I'm not holding my breath though.