After Dawntrails abject Failure of a Story, there need to be serious Consequences

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Originally Posted by Kazemon15

Oh wow, Steam, a platform that most people absolutely hate to play FFXIV through and actively avoid is the way to go for counting the playerbase. It's not like FFXIV has its own launcher that doesn't involve Steam or anything...

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...unless there is any indication though that the preference for whether or not to play through Steam has changed independently of the popularity of the title at large, we must presume that Steam numbers do reflect the overall trend.

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Originally Posted by PassinLay

This community has absolutely 0 standards and it shows lmao

Restricted DC travel for absolutely no reasons at all aside from week 1, absolutely terrible story with a million plotholes and a lot of drama regarding all the people in it, an absolutely mediocre graphical update that made a lot of people upset, and also changed the world for the worst, a good example is sea of clouds at sunset pre-DT and after DT, 4-5 times a month constant DDOS with absolutely end to it in sight, lengthened content drought among other things.

Meanwhile this community :

Wow great job guys dawntrail is amazing woooooo!

For the love of anything holy please any kind of standards for once, the amount of things you people tolerate and accept is wild, and yall are the reason why this game is barely growing at all or just being barely stable in population.

The day this game ever goes down the drain a few years from now, yall will only have yourselves to blame.

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How's that "there will never be housing blacklist features" position going for you?

Oh no, the poor venues, how will they manage without all of the people already on aether. Maybe they should just move to dynamis where anyone can visit. Problem solved.

Would cut down on the advertising.

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Originally Posted by Eyrilona

...unless there is any indication though that the preference for whether or not to play through Steam has changed independently of the popularity of the title at large, we must presume that Steam numbers do reflect the overall trend.

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No, every FFXIV player I played with in game actively tells people to avoid steam at all costs. So it isn't a good way to see the number of playerbases at all. Unless you can only play FFXIV through steam, then yeah. But there are other ways to do it. So it doesn't really count.

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Originally Posted by Kazemon15

You do know almost like 80-90% of the playerbase use the Launcher and not steam, right...?

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Pretty sure it's more than that, but even at 80-90% it's still a large enough sample size for statics.

On a side note, it's funny reading through this thread as people try and defend DT. It's like they have no self-awareness, and have completely forgot everything that came before DT.

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Originally Posted by Alchemii

Pretty sure it's more than that, but even at 80-90% it's still a large enough sample size for statics.

On a side note, it's funny reading through this thread as people try and defend DT. It's like they have no self-awareness, and have completely forgot everything that came before DT.

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So what came before DT? Another story you didn't like and is solely based on your opinion? Endwalker, which had the highest rating ever? It seems like you are the one who has no self-awareness.

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Originally Posted by Eyrilona

...unless there is any indication though that the preference for whether or not to play through Steam has changed independently of the popularity of the title at large, we must presume that Steam numbers do reflect the overall trend.

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That's what I've been trying to tell these people that keep going agaisnt steamcharts really, you dont need 100% of players to make statistics, there is such a thing as a sample, and steam is big enough, but these people are in denial.

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Originally Posted by Alchemii

Pretty sure it's more than that, but even at 80-90% it's still a large enough sample size for statics.

On a side note, it's funny reading through this thread as people try and defend DT. It's like they have no self-awareness, and have completely forgot everything that came before DT.

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This.

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Originally Posted by Kazemon15

No, every FFXIV player I played with in game actively tells people to avoid steam at all costs. So it isn't a good way to see the number of playerbases at all. Unless you can only play FFXIV through steam, then yeah. But there are other ways to do it. So it doesn't really count.

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Kazemon, so many posts in what you are doing is not debating in good faith, it is just contrarianism, which even as I enjoy a sporting exchange of opinions is just tedious.

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Originally Posted by PassinLay

That's what I've been trying to tell these people that keep going agaisnt steamcharts really, you dont need 100% of players to make statistics, there is such a thing as a sample, and steam is big enough, but these people are in denial.



This.

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Here is your more active "statistic" if you wanna try that.

https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/worldstatus/

Almost half the worlds and an entire server is closed for character creation due to how congested it is. But sure, steam numbers are the end all be all for player base.

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Originally Posted by Kazemon15

Here is your more active "statistic" if you wanna try that.

https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/worldstatus/

Almost half the worlds and an entire server is closed for character creation due to how congested it is. But sure, steam numbers are the end all be all for player base.

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LMAO. Balmung OUT OF ANY WORLD is OPEN for TRANSFERS.

And you are linking me that as proof the game is thriving.

LMAO.

You're the same kind of person to show me the login queue and be like "see !!! there's always a queue to log in the game is always full and congested !!!"

please get a clue i'm begging LOL

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Originally Posted by Eyrilona

Kazemon, so many posts in what you are doing is not debating in good faith, it is just contrarianism, which even as I enjoy a sporting exchange of opinions is just tedious.

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How am I not debating in "good faith", and when have I ever contracted myself? Most of the people here want to cling to one bad thing and roll with it as a way to get the dev team "fired" when without them, we wouldn't have gotten this far in the first place, how is that "good faith"? Is it good "faith" to ignore previous numbers, reviews and/or praise because one thing you don't like comes about? Everyone says their posts are constructive criticism, yet call for the fire of Yoshi P and the entire dev team. Do you really expect me to see this posts in "good faith", yet mine is not when I disagree? All of your posts are the ones who are tedious.