A game for 4 year olds

Yeah, they should just fight and kill each other. Because that worked so well the first time. Though I would like to know what species attacked the Omicron to make them intergalactic conquerors in the first place.

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Originally Posted by Thenightvortex

So, apparently there is a quest in the Omicron chain that touches upon the relations between dragon and machine. A long conflict which lasted in countless deaths and the majority of the draconic race being exterminated.

So how is this conflict explored then?

https://garlandtools.org/db/#quest/70140

https://ffxiv.consolegameswiki.com/w...the_Dragonstar

They give a ghost dragon a dessert that makes them forget the past and just give up on, being ready to chill with the race that exterminated his, saying that they shouldn’t linger in the past. This is is despite their near-hostile attitude before eating the cake. Vidofnir also doesn’t seem to care much for criticizing Omicrons, even implying that are to to become “friends” instead of old foe.

What the hell is this writing? It’s something ripped straight from a book for four-five year olds’ bedtime stories. “Two boys fought with each other, their mother told them to make peace and so the one that started the fight brought the other a cookie and they lived happily ever after”, except this is applied to planetary extermination.

Why

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…did you not play or understand the plot of Heavansward?

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Originally Posted by EgilTheStressedMage

Yeah, they should just fight and kill each other. Because that worked so well the first time. Though I would like to know what species attacked the Omicron to make them intergalactic conquerors in the first place.

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I honestly had hoped that would be the source of the sound..and the subject of 7.0…but alas the sound was just Meteion and a lot of “whoops those pesky Ascians again lolwtfbbq”.

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Originally Posted by EgilTheStressedMage

Yeah, they should just fight and kill each other. Because that worked so well the first time. Though I would like to know what species attacked the Omicron to make them intergalactic conquerors in the first place.

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I suspect it's like with the Garleans: it's not that they had one single nemesis, it's that they were so incapable of fighting back that everything that had reason to take a shot at them did.

In keeping with the back end of Endwalker having a lot of classic sci-fi, the Omicrons are actually damn near bang-on for Doctor Who's Cybermen in terms of concept. While no version of the Cybermen have ever had their origin in wars (that's more the Daleks' thing), they do have a common theme across various incarnations that it almost doesn't matter what sort of adversity caused them to decide augmenting themselves was the best idea; the point is that they did.

The Omicrons did not merely augment themselves - they effectively remade their species. Whatever they might have been before was lost alongside their organic forms and at least part of their free will. They then went on to build up a body count that is in all probability even higher than the Meteia's.

I have to admit to being quite put off by the niceties going on regarding them. These machines are (at least as much as been revealed thus far) easily among the highest scoring killers of all time. The road of self-defense they started out on became one of conquest, conversion, and in most cases eradication. While yes, the Omicrons in Ultima Thule are little more than echoes modeled after the originals, it's made clear in-game they share in their template's rather detestable tendencies. Countless worlds were ravaged by the original Omicrons, the Dragonstar being but one example.

Nigh-immediate forgiveness is rather questionable to me. I'm not against it on the whole, but I do believe a considerable amount of time and effort should be required to get the proverbial ball rolling on that. Well, so far as the dragons of Ultima Thule are concerned. It is a bit more understandable for those of Etheirys to be open to the idea with a bit less work given their experiences with the Dragonsong War and the fact none of them (excepting Midgardstorm's children, although they were eggs at the time) were alive when the Omicrons went full Exterminatus on their ancestral homeworld.

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Originally Posted by Cleretic

I suspect it's like with the Garleans: it's not that they had one single nemesis, it's that they were so incapable of fighting back that everything that had reason to take a shot at them did.

In keeping with the back end of Endwalker having a lot of classic sci-fi, the Omicrons are actually damn near bang-on for Doctor Who's Cybermen in terms of concept. While no version of the Cybermen have ever had their origin in wars (that's more the Daleks' thing), they do have a common theme across various incarnations that it almost doesn't matter what sort of adversity caused them to decide augmenting themselves was the best idea; the point is that they did.

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Not to mention their backstory is also a dead-ringer for the original Cylons from the 70s Battlestar Galactica (originally reptillian aliens who made themselves into cyborgs, and then eventually became fully robotic AIs, and who then launch a genocidal assault on another sentient starfaring race), but yeah it's definetely in keeping with a lot of EW referencing classic speculative fiction/sf.

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Originally Posted by Ransu

Tribal quests are not canon. They always do goofy stuff like that in their beast tribe/tribal quest stuff.

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Also Ransu I love you but this take is truly nutters.

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Originally Posted by Cleretic

I suspect it's like with the Garleans: it's not that they had one single nemesis, it's that they were so incapable of fighting back that everything that had reason to take a shot at them did.

In keeping with the back end of Endwalker having a lot of classic sci-fi, the Omicrons are actually damn near bang-on for Doctor Who's Cybermen in terms of concept. While no version of the Cybermen have ever had their origin in wars (that's more the Daleks' thing), they do have a common theme across various incarnations that it almost doesn't matter what sort of adversity caused them to decide augmenting themselves was the best idea; the point is that they did.

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Yeah - and the Borg from Star Trek spring to mind here too. Granted they're, as their name implies, Cyborgs but I guess one might argue that the Omicrons evolution included a techno-organic stage?

Eitherway, the origin of the Borg has, to date, never been explored and most agree that it's better that way. Keeping a sense of mystery where their origin is concerned makes them more appealing in my view.

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Originally Posted by EgilTheStressedMage

Yeah, they should just fight and kill each other. Because that worked so well the first time. Though I would like to know what species attacked the Omicron to make them intergalactic conquerors in the first place.

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I think it was hinted that they bascially were the Garleans of their planet. But unlike Garlemald they were not stopped and thus conquered their whole planet. Afterwards it seems that they were always afraid that some other races from other stars could come and wipe them out. Thus they prevented that by being the one that wiped out others. Until the realisation came that maybe this was all wrong and that they did this for pure destruction.

Anyways I should really not be surprised that some are already complaining about something which nobody of us have even played...maybe play it first and then post about it?

I loved the quests we got for them right now and the new zones are beautiful. But I guess for some its too much that a star of pure dynamis reacts on peoples emotions and creates things for them. Maybe we should have gotten someone with creation magic to do it instead. That would be a power that makes sense. /s

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Originally Posted by Absimiliard

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I have to admit to being quite put off by the niceties going on regarding them. These machines are (at least as much as been revealed thus far) easily among the highest scoring killers of all time. The road of self-defense they started out on became one of conquest, conversion, and in most cases eradication. While yes, the Omicrons in Ultima Thule are little more than echoes modeled after the originals, it's made clear in-game they share in their template's rather detestable tendencies. Countless worlds were ravaged by the original Omicrons, the Dragonstar being but one example.

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I mean if we cant forgive recreated beings than doesnt that mean that we also should never forgive the Garleans and any other race that has done something horrible? I understand your view though, I have disliked that they tried to paint people like Yotsuyu or Gaius in a much nicer light than they (imo) should be. But if they can do that with living people I just dont see a reason why it shouldnt be fine with recreations of long death beings.

After all even Emet got a nice fanservice goodbye and that person has helped in destroying whole planets too.

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Originally Posted by Carin-Eri

Yeah - and the Borg from Star Trek spring to mind here too. Granted they're, as their name implies, Cyborgs but I guess one might argue that the Omicrons evolution included a techno-organic stage?

Eitherway, the origin of the Borg has, to date, never been explored and most agree that it's better that way. Keeping a sense of mystery where their origin is concerned makes them more appealing in my view.

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Agreed; sometimes it's better to let one's imagination do the heavy lifting. No need to show everything.

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Originally Posted by Alleo

I think it was hinted that they bascially where the Garleans of their planet. But unlike Garlemald they were not stopped and thus conquered their whole planet. Afterwards it seems that they were always afraid that some other races from other stars could come and wipe them out. Thus they prevented that by being the one that wiped out others. Until the realisation came that maybe this was all wrong and that they did this for pure destruction.

Anyways I should really not be surprised that some are already complaining about something which nobody of us have even played...maybe play it first and then post about it?

I loved the quests we got for them right now and the new zones are beautiful. But I guess for some its too much that a star of pure dynamis reacts on peoples emotions and creates things for them. Maybe we should have gotten someone with creation magic to do it instead. That would be a power that makes sense. /s

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I can't remember specifics but this sounds about right; The Omicrons are essentially the embodiment of the Dark Forest theory (an answer to the Fermi Paradox). That is to say, when encountering another race, it is always better to destroy them first so that a) they can't get you first and/or b) they can't evolve into something that is stronger than you.