That is a separate issue. They could make it so that if 7 people have cleared already, they automatically roll Need on the loot but it goes into a void if they win.Quote:
Originally Posted by ForteNightshade
Rather than it being my argument, it's an argument I remember being made by Yoshi-P in interviews, where I remember he said he could write a book about why things like the current tomestone caps are required.Quote:
This runs entirely counter to your previous argument for Savage. 25 runs is nothing. EXs would be basically abandoned within the same patch they release. Yet you'd prefer that but argue against making system lowing Savage and tome restrictions?
Increase weekly tome cap, decrease token amount
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10-17-2022, 02:54 AMJeeqbit
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10-17-2022, 03:36 AMRansu
I'm perfectly fine with the caps and the lockouts. My only problem is there is no system to ease up gearing your other jobs. You basically have to focus on your main. In other MMOs I'd pug run on my alts after clearing on my main with my group and I always had something to do week because of that.
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10-17-2022, 05:42 AMReap00Nothing is forcing you from taking a break if that is how you feel. Stop creating drama over nothing whatsoever.Quote:
Originally Posted by Azuri
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10-17-2022, 08:21 AMKuroka
I still say let leave the tome as is, but change the system. Let us just unlock slots with the capped tome and buy the gear with the uncapped tome... that way we can gear other jobs with some effort and still dont have cap level week one...
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10-17-2022, 10:19 AMAkiudobut there is, as has been pointed out in my second point. square wants you to "get stronger" at a certain rate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Deveryn
having the cap go up incrementally would mean it wouldn't make much if any difference in the first month but help out tremendously in later weeks, that can be decently balanced especially when you consider that after 2 months or whatever literally everyone and their mother is fully tome geared anyway unless they changed classes.
just making it quicker to gear up from the get go on one hand heavily effects this "getting stronger to make content easier" aspect leading to some current groups clearing content a lot sooner (not talking world first raiders here, but the guys that are done by the end of the first month or so) which would make the raids look easier than they are (in a way it actually ruins the sense of progression if gearing up is to fast) and on the flipside means groups that are worse and basically need all the gear that exists to even have a chance at clearing a tier (if even that) to hit their wall earlier while at the same time having less room to grow stronger (in the form of gear they still need thats left).
and that isn't even going into burnout. if the tomestones where uncapped a lot of people would feel pressured to farm them until they are fully geared and would do so but would in fact feel miserable while at it. and no, "just don't do it" isn't an argument against subjective feelings, if it were than the answer to "raise the tomecap" would be "just don't rush yourself and only equip one job"
this whole thing isn't a black and white issue, and certainly what one person finds terrible another would call great, but the fact of the matter is that there are actual balancing implications to simply raising the cap. -
10-17-2022, 10:42 AMDeveryn
Something people seem to be overlooking is the fact that loosening or eliminating the cap makes crafted gear useless. Tome gear is nice to help you get wins but people have already cleared with a bare minimum, so it's really just there to help things go faster. BiS will end up being a combo of items, so the problem seems to be exaggerated here.
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10-17-2022, 11:24 AMty_taurusCrafted gear still holds a valuable role in creating entry into Savage. Allowing the limitations on tomestone and raid gear to loosen over time will not invalidate that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Deveryn
It's not really an exaggerated issue. The limitations as they stand fail to address the ever increasing list of jobs available to the player and do not at all compliment an RPG where changing jobs and gear is meant to be encouraged. -
10-17-2022, 11:49 AMDeverynIf people can get tome gear any faster, it absolutely invalidates crafted gear in the long term, especially when upgrading becomes an option. Taking the extreme of having no cap on tomes, you have no reason to even consider crafting at the start of a new raid cycle.Quote:
Originally Posted by ty_taurus
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10-17-2022, 11:51 AMLiam_HarperGreat. We've simultaneously got arguments that the system needs to be this way to force people to play and that people should take breaks and quit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reap00
Logic at it's finest. -
10-17-2022, 11:56 AMRaoabolicLogic be damned, SE has cash to rake in~!Quote:
Originally Posted by Liam_Harper
Just lay back and enjoy the descent. It's easier than arguing with people who blindly defend SE. It will be extra funny when the problems become so ingrained with the game mechanics that SE will either have to reinvent the wheel like Actiblizz is doing or just throw it into maintenance mode and just focus on the new MMO. lol