Why does everyone complain about STORY based MMO's?

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Originally Posted by VelKallor

Not THIS again...

We have been over this repeatedly. The MSQ is this way by deliberate design because it has to cater to people of all skill levels. it is STORY content not a savage or extreme. There is plenty of hard content in FF 14 ( and more to come ) that can cater to this miniscule portion of the playerbase...the MSQ is not meant to be a brick wall. It is not meant to be completed "by only the worthy".

"The time between seconds" is the one you are referring to. That scene with Zenos? Is a no win scenario. An illustration of just how powerful he is...and to drive home that not even the Warrior of Light is invincible.

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Not this again, indeed.

You can increase the difficulty of content without making it anywhere near Extreme or Savage levels. Insinuating otherwise is simply being disingenuous. Presently, the MSQ as a whole is essentially one massive participation reward that's almost impossible to fail. This does undercut the whole epic saga of the story when the supposed big bad can be facerolled. A prime example of this is Thordan. Even as a brand new player only ten months into FFXIV when I first cleared, I was disappointed by how much of a joke he was—to the point I stopped even dodging mechanics because not only was nobody else bothering. When I was hit myself, they did next to nothing. Did it ruin the conclusion of Heavensward? No. However, it certainly left a sour taste. Shinryu, conversely, was much better despite still being easy enough. Sadly, power creep as trivialized that fight but in his heyday, he was good.

As for that scene with Zenos. It's a cheat trope that isn't explained well. We never learn why Zenos can stomp us into the ground so easily yet a handful of dungeons later, we're returning the favor. He's just invincibly strong because the plot needed him to be.

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Originally Posted by VelKallor

LOL. LMAO even.[/I]

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It's not a proper thread until Vel goes nutty on the keyboard for reasons incomprehensible to the human mind.

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It's not a proper thread until Vel goes nutty on the keyboard for reasons incomprehensible to the human mind.

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Even more so when what i did say, is twisted and reworded to say what i never said. But you know, narrative.

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Originally Posted by VelKallor

Even more so when what i did say, is twisted and reworded to say what i never said. But you know, narrative.

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Requoting what you said and asking for you to explain is twisting the narrative? lol

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Bro TLOU2 is rated higher than XIV on Metacritic.

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No.

FF 14 94 vs 93 TLOU2

FF 14 9.4 vs 5.7 TLOU2..that user score...OUCH.

You are well aware that you are playing an Rpg. even before going online? In addition, you are playing a game called Final Fantasy, which happens to be a game with more stories and filling quests than gameplay...
You come to the game knowing explicitly that such a license is going to have a number of filler quests and a pretty big story. If you don't like this type of content why not skip the moments you deem unnecessary in your progress?
If the majority of players like to have such content you have no reason to stop them from continuing to like such a thing when your simple reason is to want to play endgame content and therefore to eliminate the essence even license.
Stop wanting generic games that look alike....

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Originally Posted by VelKallor

No.

FF 14 94 vs 93 TLOU2

FF 14 9.4 vs 5.7 TLOU2..that user score...OUCH.

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Reread what he said

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Originally Posted by ZedxKayn

Bro TLOU2 is rated higher than XIV on Metacritic. Or more shockingly, Animal Crossing New Horizons is above Half-Life 2, Deus Ex Human Revolution or Bayonetta. Critics are paid and not the argument you think they are.

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FF14:EW has a score of 92
TLOU2 has a score of 93.

Don't bullshit bro, and don't bring up user reviews when you quoted paid journalists lol.

https://www.metacritic.com/game/play...-of-us-part-ii
https://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/f...-xiv-endwalker

I'll jump off your case now, but man, don't lie when it can be easily searched on google lul

p.s: if you want to just search of FFXIV itself, it has a metacritic score of 49!
https://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/f...asy-xiv-online

p.p.s: I didn't account for the fact that was 1.0, so here you go, have ARR. Still lower than TLOU2 with a score of 83!

https://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/f...a-realm-reborn

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Originally Posted by DixieBellOCE

In a game where the story is main focus behind the game, you are not rushed to get to endgame, you are not FORCED to play optimally to get through content...

Yet every day i see the same thing: 'WAH WAH STORY IS TOO LONG'

Seriously, The game IS the story.

It is a FINAL FANTASY game.

There are plenty of MMO's out there that destroy their own storylines for the 'endgame progression' aspect of the game, if you want to play those, then do that.

FFXIV should never move away from the story aspect of the game, the MSQ is what keeps this game coherent.

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I don't see everyone complaining so why complain about it?

Not everyone likes the same thing. Not everyone has played a Final Fantasy game in the past and those who haven't aren't familiar with how FF games are structured.

Just because someone isn't into story doesn't mean they won't like other content and features of the game.

The only thing I'm against is altering existing content to please those who don't care about story. It's better for SE to add an alternate progression path to the game for those players.

If SE is able to go back and retrofit MSQ for those who want a solo player experience, it shouldn't be hard for them to create a non-story progression path for those who don't care about story.

Remember how we need to choose between keyboard/mouse and controller set up when our characters first enter their starting city? Follow that with a second question: Do you wish to choose the path of the Warrior of Light or the path of the Mercenary? The WoL path would be the MSQ. The Mercenary path would have dungeons/trial automatically unlock at the appropriate level but give the player no guidance on how to level. Or perhaps SE adds new worlds specifically for the Mercenary path.

Queuing in Duty Finder would only match them to other Mercenaries so there's no conflict with those enjoying the story. Players on both paths would still interact with each other in the open world content such as FATEs. They could still pre-form groups together to queue for specific duties or roulettes (though any needed random matchmaking to fill out a party would only be with Mercenaries, not WoLs).

The Mercenary path would be a bit harder as there would be no frequent quest rewards to get gear and gil though they could still get those things from other content. There would be no guidance on what to do next (at least not until players started creating and sharing such guides). If they later decide they do want to experience the story, then they would need to create a new character to start fresh instead of having access to NG+.

There are ways for both types of players to be happy.

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Originally Posted by ForteNightshade

Not this again, indeed.

You can increase the difficulty of content without making it anywhere near Extreme or Savage levels. Insinuating otherwise is simply being disingenuous. Presently, the MSQ as a whole is essentially one massive participation reward that's almost impossible to fail. This does undercut the whole epic saga of the story when the supposed big bad can be facerolled. A prime example of this is Thordan. Even as a brand new player only ten months into FFXIV when I first cleared, I was disappointed by how much of a joke he was—to the point I stopped even dodging mechanics because not only was nobody else bothering. When I was hit myself, they did next to nothing. Did it ruin the conclusion of Heavensward? No. However, it certainly left a sour taste. Shinryu, conversely, was much better despite still being easy enough. Sadly, power creep as trivialized that fight but in his heyday, he was good.

As for that scene with Zenos. It's a cheat trope that isn't explained well. We never learn any Zenos can stomp us into the ground so easily yet a handful of dungeons later, we're returning the favor. He's just invincibly strong because the plot needed him to be.

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Thordan and Shinryu both were relatively difficult when they first came out. Shinryu was actually nerfed a few times. All the old expansions had a modicum of difficult content mixed into them, but old content wont stay the same forever. Potencies have changed significantly since HW and SB.

Its just the nature of old content. They'd have to redo things to maintain the same difficulty as when they were new.

Anyways, another thread to complain about those who'd like the MMO part of XIV without being forced to do the story. Show me on the doll where we hurt you.

It's exasperating that kind of threads still pop up even when the devs are currently working on making the MMO aspect totally optional while still not throwing a bone to the people who want to play the game for the MMO it is and not a hundreds hour long JRPG. What even is the point? There's no threats to what you enjoy whatsoever. Just to complain about people who don't like what you like?