Dungeons are becoming style over substance.

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Originally Posted by Hyrist

No I can confirm that it's not a meme and has never been one. Sorry but this isn't one of those situations where it's ironically 'bad' and secretively good. They've actively nerfed this dungeon and I've still, recently seen people still take the half-hour-hand-slap to avoid this dungeon. Sorry but I think you've been misled there.

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Nah, that is just people being lazy to put any effort. Like it is a leveling dungeon for "gods" sake. It never was anything to pull hair off, even in the past. Just something to keep you on your toes, like being careful in the first room and avoiding Mr Coin's attacks by watching the animation/skill name.
But apparently that is already too much nowadays. Any kind of effort is viewed negatively in gaming communities nowadays

That dungeon never was any good in a map design or thematic way imo. The fun part was that it wasn't a total faceroll like every other 4 man content is in this game.

I have always felt that the major reason of dungeon simplification is that they cannot be bothered to do proper coding for the Trusts. More complicated mechanics will just be more complicated for the Trusts.

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Originally Posted by Hycinthus

I have always felt that the major reason of dungeon simplification is that they cannot be bothered to do proper coding for the Trusts. More complicated mechanics will just be more complicated for the Trusts.

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While I believe that it was certainly part of the reason that ShB dungeons are all just the same dungeon with a different coat of paint, the same can't be said for Stormblood dungeons.

But most of the dungeons you mention that you liked minus Snowcloak, OP, were optional dungeons. The recent ones you list that you don't like are MSQ.

I think the problem is that SE saw people weren't doing the optional dungeons so they tried to make them more appealing. Almost every time I get Aurum Vale in queue these days it's a Join in Progress because people bailed right at the beginning. SE should have just said "These are optional. They're going to be more challenging and we're not going to change that" like they stuck to their guns about Ultimate, but unfortunately they didn't.

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Originally Posted by Absurdity

While I believe that it was certainly part of the reason that ShB dungeons are all just the same dungeon with a different coat of paint, the same can't be said for Stormblood dungeons.

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I had much more fun with stormblood than Shadowbringers.

Doma Castle has hazards, Castrum Albania has small DPS checks for speed, Kugane Castle has vital mobs that self destructed, Temple of the Fist has hazards and a DPS buster, Skalla had awareness mechanics that weren’t telegraphed, The Burn had hazards and Enfeeblments that were deadly, Ghimlyt had on-route mechanics like stacks and aoe circles. SHB has.........

Good music?

I've been playing this game for a long time, and the only dungeon that has ever been even close to challenging was the original Pharos Sirius (before nerf). For me, once I do a dungeon one or two times, I lose all interest in doing them because they're just so unstimulating. I hope they eventually change their design philosophy for them, but I highly doubt it at this point.

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Originally Posted by Izar_Chillen

Dungeons going forward , if they continue to make them available as Trust applicable , will always be simplified in order for the AI to be able to manage mechanics . If dungeons were to throw unique things back in and add variety, which many of us would love to see back again , SE would either have to vastly improve the Trust system , or get rid if it. I dont see SE doing either.

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I'm glad they're designing group content around people who don't want to group in an MMO /s

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What stress? https://cdn.frankerfacez.com/emoticon/381875/1

I expect the usual useless posts about how the user is a known troll despite the fact this topic is legit and a complaint other people have had for years.

Myself included. I agree with pretty much the whole opening post. But I'll also add that HW started the hallway sim design. Only difference is HW's trash, when the content wasn't aged, posed more of a challenge than SB onwards.

And this design philosophy aimed at people who hate investing time in PvE content can also be seen in how Normal Raids changed since Stormblood.

I absolutely despise Alliance/Large-scale Raids as the main focus like they've been suggesting it would be in recent interviews because your contribution feels way too small but when you have you-don't-pay-my-sub dead weights you immediately feel the difference. Their design is also just a thicc version of the current 4-man dungeon design, with way more hp-spongey bosses. Like TC said I also hate doing my roulettes because "expert" is utterly disgracefully boring. Imagine that but longer then. I completely H A T E the Nier raids because the few interesting fights it has don't compensate the natural frustration of doing a duty with 24+ people being 1/4 or more of them usually people who actively don't want to put effort.

My dream is for them to add 4/8-man dungeons (I said dungeons, not RAIDS) that are designed as optional content for people who actually don't feel offended about the notion of socializing outside Limsa's square and ERPs in order to make fixed parties for challenging content. People keep throwing the word "savage" but I'd take something more midcore that doesn't take a week to complete but is still tailor made for 4/8 people who actually communicate and don't feel offended by receiving instructions.
Because making every dungeon DF-friendly is the main reason why the design is so incredibly shallow now.

Welcome to japanese level design. It's abhorrent.

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

But most of the dungeons you mention that you liked minus Snowcloak, OP, were optional dungeons. The recent ones you list that you don't like are MSQ.

I think the problem is that SE saw people weren't doing the optional dungeons so they tried to make them more appealing. Almost every time I get Aurum Vale in queue these days it's a Join in Progress because people bailed right at the beginning. SE should have just said "These are optional. They're going to be more challenging and we're not going to change that" like they stuck to their guns about Ultimate, but unfortunately they didn't.

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They could've made it another progression system with optional dungeons and just copied Mythic+ lol