Monk 4.2 Adjustments

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Originally Posted by BucklesTrespen

Then when you rethink about it - and realize we have to do the following to get that effect:

1) Shoulder Tackle must not be on cooldown - so a move with decent potency should be removed/delayed from our DPS rotation on the off chance we get targeted by a mechanic.
2) Go into Fists of Wind.
3) Wind Tackle.
4) Riddle of Wind. (GL refreshed / granted)
5) Go back into Fists of Fire.

It's a pretty crap way of handling the issue - putting it behind 3 keystrokes - 4 really because we will always go back into FoF afterwards.

At this point the Riddles, the tackles - everything that came with SB Monk - and Monk on whole, needs a complete overhaul.

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Shoulder tackle is usually on cooldown during GL downtime phases.If you know the fight mechanics you will know where you are useing it.
And to be honest i dont want to see a noob friendly way of keeping up GL.It defeats the purpose of it being a high skill high reward job.

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Originally Posted by Dualgunner

I posted every fight at 75th percentile, including exdeath where they do come close to competing. Did you even look at the stats I posted, or did you dismiss them because of some notion that Happy is an unassailable expert on monk?

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Its true at the 75th percentile, its false at the 99th(or in neo's case the 100th). Im sure that's what he means.

*edit* looking again at the post you were responding to, it was actually a sarcastic comment about happy

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Originally Posted by Metalwrath

Shoulder tackle is usually on cooldown during GL downtime phases.If you know the fight mechanics you will know where you are useing it.
And to be honest i dont want to see a noob friendly way of keeping up GL.It defeats the purpose of it being a high skill high reward job.

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The question, as I see it, will become is a 130 potency move worth it if it means that you might lose all three stacks of greased lightning? How much potency will potentially be lost if you also can't RoE during that downtime, or if the jump comes right before you were about to refresh GL? It's a question of is that one move going to be worth the potency loss of missing stacks of GL later?

I think this will become an issue where monks have to be smart about when and how cool downs are used rather than just spamming them as they come up.

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Originally Posted by wereotter

The question, as I see it, will become is a 130 potency move worth it if it means that you might lose all three stacks of greased lightning? How much potency will potentially be lost if you also can't RoE during that downtime, or if the jump comes right before you were about to refresh GL? It's a question of is that one move going to be worth the potency loss of missing stacks of GL later?

I think this will become an issue where monks have to be smart about when and how cool downs are used rather than just spamming them as they come up.

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The thing is, unless they're stopwatching absolute-time phase transitions, none of the relevant information is likely to be there by which to weigh one's choices when either the cooldown readiness or the event requiring it (which will almost certainly be merely conditional, as RoW can only grant up to 2 GCDs longer a duration) occurs.

You can now get a GCD more GL if the jump occurs at Opo-opo, 2 more if at Raptor, or one more non-Coeurl skills during PB. ...That's it.

While RoE is still rendered useless by a full shield or any jump transition without damage within the 10 to 16 second initial window AND within the >16 seconds latter window...

Yes. But also there are certain jumps where you know for certain that you won’t be able to refresh using RoE. Two that come to mind are the second boss in Skalla when he makes 8 minions, and Rofacale both during the lights out and the big raid-wide attack after the parties split for adds

Of all the nice suggestions, this is what they pick...

It's important to know when to fold. It's part of progress to fail... yet... they seem to unaware of it x)

It matters little. There is no hope for monk this expansion. Enjoy the story and the content and wait for next. At least, I know I have given up hope.

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Originally Posted by Metalwrath

And to be honest i dont want to see a noob friendly way of keeping up GL.It defeats the purpose of it being a high skill high reward job.

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This. . . this is just a bad elitist attitude.

You realize if it creates too much of a skills gap they're just going to nerf it right?

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Originally Posted by TheMax1087

Its true at the 75th percentile, its false at the 99th(or in neo's case the 100th). Im sure that's what he means.

*edit* looking again at the post you were responding to, it was actually a sarcastic comment about happy

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I tend to take most statistics above the 75th percentile with a grain of salt (especially 100th percentile) due to those often needing specialized comps that sacrifice other member's damage as well as plenty of balance cards. Fair enough though, it's not always the case, and at the very upper end MNK is outdoing and competing with SAM. However, I have reason to believe his comment about Happy wasn't sarcasm, as he earlier in the thread said:

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Originally Posted by Shiroe

mnk just might have gotten too much love? sure, mnk needs to pull a bit ahead of nin ..., and needed a tackle- mastery revamp... , but dps-wise mnk was already competing with Sam numbers (like Mr. Happy noted), now it just might pull right up too sam if not overtake,.. with the mnk utilities?

mnk will become the new smn.. (or/ and new nin)?

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to which someone responded

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Originally Posted by Mahrze

Delete Mr Happy. 99.99% of the time he is wrong and that 0.01% you hesitate, he is way off the mark.

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Then his response, and the rest is history.

While I do agree Tornado Kick and stances could be tweaked a bit, I find Stormblood Monk enjoyable. Now that there is a tweak to RoW to where it might actually be used rather than a town speed boost itll be nice to actually use all 3 riddles in fights. I personally enjoy whenever I get to RoF. I am sitting there punching all fast and stuff then pop that to make the fist of rhalgr more destructive. That is my lore headcannon for the ability hahah.

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

This. . . this is just a bad elitist attitude.

You realize if it creates too much of a skills gap they're just going to nerf it right?

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No its not an elitist attitude.Hate the way people throw that word around for no reason.
The fact is that monk has always been about being the high skill ceiling melee dps with the reward of high dps.
If you take that away then you take away the draw of playing monk in the first place.
Giving 2 stacks of gl on wind would be rediculous and probably encourage people to not pay attention to their stacks.