Proposal to scrap the +1 +2 +3 feature from gear

Ah right...I forgot about the fact you can use two seperate tools with two different results. Been a while since I crafted. Either way, I imagine Linen Fent has a higher HQ chance than a complete piece of gear would.

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Originally Posted by Turtle

Regaurdless, I would like to see the difference clearly noted between each item and its HQ counterpart. All this experimenting to figure out whether a +1 trumps a NQ and if its worth the price is annoying :x

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I think it's safe to say that everyone agree's with this one.

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Originally Posted by Kimahri

Funny the only person I've called an idiot on this thread is you.....And if I haven't yet then let me start by saying you're a pompous idiot. Again you post nothing except to fire back at me. I'm so flattered that you're infatuated with me, but quite honestly I don't like a stuck up *****.

If you'll do me the liberty of going back up to my last post, I want you look at the very end. See where it says, "If you feel different, then tell me why?" Yes? Now you do? Good! Because clearly the only thing you like doing is b***h and complain. Sure, I'm complaining, but I don't care which way or the other. However. I'll still play this game whether they change the game drasticly or not so drasticly.

So now I ask you what's your beef? Are you one of those extreme people that take offense to every nook and cranny about future developments? Do you have a problem with people not liking the things you like? All I'm stating is that I don't see why the hell they decided to change the crafting system of FFXI and quite frankly don't like it. Do I care if it stays though? Nope. I'll still craft.

There's one thing I know we have different. I at least like trying to discuss topics where it'll improve my experience of playing the game. Oh yes, I said it. Me. Me. Me. I. I. I. For if it wasn't for the fact that I'd like it myself, why in the hell would I start the thread in the first place?

Why don't I like HQ materials? Well I guess I feel if they change (Keyword: If) the quality problem into something more of what people think. (Example: 200 quality = quaranteed +1. Keep in mind that this number is fake.) To me, this seems rather odd to have in place ingredients that will guarantee a +1. Doesn't that just take the skill out of your craft? To me it does.

Why HQ +1 & +2 gear but not 3? Well I guess also I feel that if they change the current quality system, (Keyword: If) they would have to get rid of the HQ+3 ingredients since it'll put a serious crutch on the craft doing an HQ based solely on skill. Now why not a +3? To be perfectly honest why three? Can you tell me a reason why three sounds better than two? Because it does a 6% stat increase per +1? Why not a 9% stat increase? Doesn't three different versions of HQ seem like a gimmick? No? Can you tell me why it should stay?

There's the key words, Mariya. Why not? Seems to me that you're so quick to talk s**t about anyone who disagree's with you, yet haven't really seen your points of view on the topic of the thread. Seems to me that the only thing you've done was try and scew this thread by talking about a certain event I experienced on an item. Why is it that when I ask for your idea's they're nowhere to be found in your rebuttal?

If you're going to post about this thread then do so. I posted some things I think would happen if they changed this quality issue and my opinion on the matter of HQ materials and such. I asked for your opinion, so give it to me. Don't give me anymore whiney ass bulls**t and try to b***h your way out of the topic at hand.

P.S. I DON'T LIKE IT! HAHA! Isn't that the whole point of these threads, Dumbo!?

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Funny, because you was the one going as far as hijacked some other thread to started personal attack and flaming me, when all I did in your thread in the first place is asking for the proof of this claim about HQ 2/3 lower than 100 Quality (Which nobody has yet to proved). This goes to show how much mature you are, I hope. And you're the first one to say idiot, moron, s**t, ass, bulls (Do I need to go on?) and goes to length to derail your own thread. So yea, look much to me that you're very much wanting to discuss this in a civilised manner.

Bah.
I was doing tests and gathering data before the suspension. Some report was "strange". Does this mean the system is broken or does this mean I don't know every variance of this system?

I can take what Kihmari says for true. but do we know every variance of the crafting? If we don't, we have a lack of informations, and we cannot evaluate if the formula is broken or not.

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Originally Posted by MariyaShidou

It in fact is relevant to your thread.



You can not get HQ 2 if your quality is under 100.

You can not get HQ 3 if your quality is under 200.

If you're going to post some random stupidity to act as a dictator in order to feel good, the Internet isn't for you. Do me a favour, understand what you post beforehand.

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but you can..... my Iron Hatchet +2 was made with around 70-80 quality...... everything was NQ mats except for the +3 glue i used

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Originally Posted by Cascade

but you can..... my Iron Hatchet +2 was made with around 70-80 quality...... everything was NQ mats except for the +3 glue i used

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Then it's very likely the threshold for +2 not 100 quality and 70 quality? What everyone here has been claiming was around that mark, 70-80 quality. If possible though I would like to see screenshot support this, because anyone can claim whatever they want to no offense.

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Originally Posted by MariyaShidou

Then it's very likely the threshold for +2 not 100 quality and 70 quality? What everyone here has been claiming was around that mark, 70-80 quality. If possible though I would like to see screenshot support this, because anyone can claim whatever they want to no offense.

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ill try to get some screen shots of low quality HQ2/3 synths ive done

but when i did my linen yarn +3 i had maybe 20 quality total in the synth

there is no real threshhold from what ive seen, what i believe happens is you get your quality check when you complete

so lets say at 1-50 quality its 1% HQ, then, before it posts results, it checks HQ2, another 1%, then it chekcs hq3, another 1% and so on.
it could also do the same at 51-100 beind a 3% chance
101-150 being a 4%...and so on, going to a higher % the highe you go
and around 300 or so it seems to be more like a 15-20%


now granted those numbers i just gave are all made up, but i suspect the actual system it uses to determine HQ is exactly along those lines, but with a different % to HQ that im not even going to pretend to know exact numbers on.

so while you may see 1/100 HQ1s between 1-50 quality synths, you may see that hq3 1 out of every 1 million synths at that quality(i wouldnt be surprised if im closing in on that many synths total too, ive gotten all of a single hq3 ever while ignoring quality, and it wasnt with hq mats)

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Originally Posted by MariyaShidou

Then it's very likely the threshold for +2 not 100 quality and 70 quality? What everyone here has been claiming was around that mark, 70-80 quality. If possible though I would like to see screenshot support this, because anyone can claim whatever they want to no offense.

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i don't really sit ready to take screen shots of something i didn't expect to HQ anyways....... low quality HQs are just a luck of the draw and i can tell you want happened but i can't explain it

i did the syn and it had like 80 durablity and as said around 70-80 quality at the point that you start touching up
it was NQ to start with and i did probably 5-7 touch ups i don't remember the exact amount but it went from NQ to +2 there was no +1 in between..... i've also rapid +1ed stuff before, its all luck and its all random....

there are things you can do the better your chances but it still a RNG and i don't think there is a threshold for getting HQs i've done plenty of syns with 300+ quality and gotten nothing and i've had +1s with less then 70 quality

does quality better your chances yes..... but is it 100% needed when dealing with a RNG no

and i'm going to say this even though its going to sound like a your wrong shut up statement

but just because you haven't done it doesn't mean it can't happen, yes there are no SSs but there have been plenty of people that have said they have done it, luck of the draw is all it is, and it just proves more and more that crafting is random

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Originally Posted by Kimahri

Holy **** I've grown tired of this stupid debate. I don't care anymore. The fact is what was supposed to be a thread over the keeping or removing of the current HQ+1/2/3 system ended up turning into a match of he said, she said. Don't give a **** anymore, Mariya. I don't need to prove to you what I seen with my own eyes, and I frankly don't care. If Origamikitsune posts a picture then maybe it'll help. Other then that, drop it. I want to get back to the original post.

Maybe the reason why I don't like it is because I liked it when it was the most simple. (FFXI) The only thing HQ meant when crafting the materials was that you'd get more of the materials. (Ash Log into Ash Plank. NQ: 3, HQ-1: 6, etc.) Seemed rather easy and simple. When it was gear, however, HQ meant better stats. Don't see what was wrong there.

Really I wouldn't mind a +1 & +2 feature for most of the gear. I don't know about you, but to me four different types of the same item just seem a waste of time to me. If you feel different, then tell me why. Don't stray from this topic.

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Lol. that is just how things go in the English Forums.... There is always someone who wants to change the topic in a thread instead of making their own thread.... As to the topic, I would rather +1/2/3 equipment be removed as well. I Do not see it happening however.

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Originally Posted by Reika

Lol. that is just how things go in the English Forums.... There is always someone who wants to change the topic in a thread instead of making their own thread.... As to the topic, I would rather +1/2/3 equipment be removed as well. I Do not see it happening however.

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Thank you. I don't think so either, but why not try? lol