Black Mage Sanctuary - A Guide to DPS

You get a second of "1", then half a second of " " before it comes off. Watch your own video, you were at least halfway through the "1", leaving you less than a second. Like I said, try it out with movement (and moving during swiftcast doesn't count).

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Originally Posted by Aloise

You should have Piety anyways for guaranteed T1 after B3. The truly hardcore have guaranteed B4 after B3.

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In that scenario you're talking ~70 Piety, which is -70 crit best case. That's more than 1% less damage per cast, way more than your rotation can hope to gain. And that's before factoring in a B1 cast.

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Originally Posted by StouterTaru

In that scenario you're talking ~70 Piety, which is -70 crit best case. That's more than 1% less damage per cast, way more than your rotation can hope to gain. And that's before factoring in a B1 cast.

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This is simply wrong. If we put 1 crit = 0.2 Int, which seems to be the general consensus, then 70 Piety points is worth 70*0.2 = 14 Int points, which does just barely scrape over 1% of current Int values. However, you simply DON'T need 70 Piety to do any of this. As a mooncat I have 47 on my relic to do guaranteed B4. We'll round up to 50 because of other races, though the discrepancy may be larger for some. 50 * 0.2 = 10 Int, which is NOT 1% of current Int values. Further, that's only for guaranteed B4. For guaranteed T1, you're looking more in the 20-25 Piety range, which 25*0.2 = 50 Int, which is DEFINITELY NOT 1% of current Int values.

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Originally Posted by StouterTaru

And that's before factoring in a B1 cast.

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It's an approximately 40 pps difference between B1 and T1, before factoring in any of the probabilistic maths surrounding procs. It is mathematically superior to cast T1 instead of B1, especially if the cost is a few piddly points of crit.

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Originally Posted by Aloise

However, you simply DON'T need 70 Piety to do any of this. As a mooncat I have 47 on my relic to do guaranteed B4.

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That's a guaranteed B4 after your B3 comes late and costs the full 1060 MP on your opener? That's ~363 Piety.

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Originally Posted by Aloise

1 crit = 0.2 Int, which seems to be the general consensus

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That's not the general consensus, that's the dumbed down number that roughly approximates the value in current gear. Crit is a curve with increasing returns; it takes about 90 from base to get a 1% increase in damage, but less than 60 to get a 1% increase in damage when you're over 1,000 Crit. INT is a straight line through zero; increasing INT by 1% increases damage by 1%.

Crafted weapon: Det >Crit
Sophia weapon: Det>Sps
Alex weapon: Det>Crit

And summoners alex weapon is sps>det

WHAT IS WITH ALL THE DOMINANT DET STAT ON ALL THESE WEAPONS????

Looks like BLMs got a Spell Speed nerf in the form of bad gear. :mad:

Okay so this isn't funny anymore.

The only Crit/SPS pieces are the Shire rod, which is Bis. Not Raid weapon is Bis but a scripture weapon. Glorious. And the scripture ring is Crit SS.

Thats it.

And to follow this up, 3 out of 4 Alexander accessories are DET CRIT. THREE OUT OF FOUR HAVE THE SAME STATS!?!?!?!?!? So I'd rather kill myself now than get a """"BiS""""" set this patch.

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Originally Posted by Lavitz_

Looks like BLMs got a Spell Speed nerf in the form of bad gear. :mad:

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Ugh really? I guess i will see tonight but was hoping the scripture gear would be better then lore :/

Also i agree what is up with all the det weapons??
Keeping my Relic this patch

https://i.imgur.com/9DT3y5E.png

jack of all trades , master of none

New crafted gear?

WHY FOR THE LOVE OF THE TWELVE DOES NEARLY EVERY SS PIECE HAVE BOATLOADS OF ACC ON IT

Yeah the new gear for casters at least for BLM is crap. I share the sentiment of the Shire Rod being the only decent thing here.

Everything is terrible. I don't even know where to begin trying to optimize spellspeed with this itemization. Perhaps it's time to focus crit >.> Who is in charge of itemization? They did a horrible job.

I think focusing completely on SS is going to be BiS but Crit rate is going to be abysmally low.
Shire Rod and 2 Scripture rings definitely are BiS but those are the only pieces that will have crit on them.
All of the other left side gear has a SS piece but it's ALWAYS the secondary stat except on the head piece(meaning, it's value is lower than the maximum sps on the gear piece = have to meld more sps instead of crit and it means you get more useless det)
The choker necklace and earring also have a SS piece, overall the accuracy seems to be very high. If we're lucky it'll be slightly above A12. If we're unlucky it'll be way under or way above A12S cap.
Crit rate is going to be non existent. I assume somewhere around the 600's, maybe lower. SS is on every piece but on every piece it's the secondary stat except for the obvious BiS pieces that are weapon and scripture ring and the scripture head and scripture bracelet.

Sad days lie ahead.

The crafted gear isn't bad once it's melded, SS could be higher without vit melds too.

http://image.prntscr.com/image/1fefc...a6c982049f.png

blm on this patch got realy fucked imo, in sophia smn is obviously better, a9s i think smn better because of the number of banes you can do,

on final boss dots keep tiking during time freeze and smn can refresh his dots before joining the add dps check

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Originally Posted by Cherub

Okay so this isn't funny anymore.

The only Crit/SPS pieces are the Shire rod, which is Bis. Not Raid weapon is Bis but a scripture weapon. Glorious. And the scripture ring is Crit SS.

Thats it.

And to follow this up, 3 out of 4 Alexander accessories are DET CRIT. THREE OUT OF FOUR HAVE THE SAME STATS!?!?!?!?!? So I'd rather kill myself now than get a """"BiS""""" set this patch.

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How do they screw up this badly? They made the Alexander Rod worse than the Augmented Shire Rod feels insulting to add a weapon to the most difficult fight we get in this tier and make it a downgrade.

BiS probably: http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/VNJ2

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Originally Posted by Lavitz_

BiS probably: http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/VNJ2

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Pretty much what I'm gonna aim for except I'm gonna take 2 Scripture rings and not an Alexandrian. Might change depending on A12S accuracy cap though.
Speaking of that, has anyone heard something about that yet? SSS dummies are updated with accuracy caps now and apparently A11S is already downed too.

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Originally Posted by Cherub

Pretty much what I'm gonna aim for except I'm gonna take 2 Scripture rings and not an Alexandrian. Might change depending on A12S accuracy cap though.
Speaking of that, has anyone heard something about that yet? SSS dummies are updated with accuracy caps now and apparently A11S is already downed too.

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Heard of someone missing A12S with 640 acc, can't confirm though. I'll probably test on dummies when I have time.

And herein is the main problem with itemization- especially for black mages. We RELY on SS, its absolutely a necessity that cannot be replaced or ignored. It takes priority over every other stat, whenever possible, on every piece of gear (accuracy doesn't count). Until (if) they finally add more unique secondary stats, or some form alternate progression paths- This is essentially all we can ever look forward too every patch. Hoping and praying we get spell speed on basically everything, or look at the gear and go "Oh look, it looks perfect... for a SMN"

That is the problem in itself, to be competitive spell speed is our absolute must.
Sure other jobs obviously benefit as example with skill speed, crit, etc..
But when you are a caster.... yeah
No idea what they have been thinking not only this patch but Heavansward in general, lol

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Originally Posted by Maero

That is the problem in itself, to be competitive spell speed is our absolute must.
Sure other jobs obviously benefit as example with skill speed, crit, etc..
But when you are a caster.... yeah
No idea what they have been thinking not only this patch but Heavansward in general, lol

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What about 3.2? That was a great patch for BLMs

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Originally Posted by Cherub

Pretty much what I'm gonna aim for except I'm gonna take 2 Scripture rings and not an Alexandrian. Might change depending on A12S accuracy cap though.
Speaking of that, has anyone heard something about that yet? SSS dummies are updated with accuracy caps now and apparently A11S is already downed too.

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I can't confirm this, but by taking a look at all of Alexander so far and the increase on accuracy for each floor, the accuracy cap for A12S should be somewhere around 648. Probably a few lower, but I think that'd be a good starting point.

I'm really disappointed in the blm gear for tomes this patch.... some have such crap and unnecessary stats. No idea how I'm going to build my blm now except cntinue the new relic.

Well i was thinking more along the lines of when HW first came out, the gear at that time was bleh
2.x i was all in favor of determination, but in HW it really says nothing to me.
It's as if they just add whatever to gear now without really thinking about it, we loose much crit this patch also do we not?
Very sad indeed

just play smn for this patch tbh, all fights are smn fights, even the gear is, lol

Well, from everything that I have read/heard about final Alexander- The secondary stats on gear... don't seem to matter much to me anymore. I'm not one of those guys where I need to top meters to be enjoying myself, and by the sounds of it they have all but removed DPS checks from all turns. It's all mechanics, no GOGOGO OR WE DIE dps checks. So with the knowledge of that, as long as the fights are fun, they can put whatever stats they want on my gear.

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Originally Posted by smallbeach

just play smn for this patch tbh, all fights are smn fights, even the gear is, lol

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BLM is really good in A9S and A10S, I've only done a few pulls of A11S so I can't comment on that or A12S.

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Originally Posted by smallbeach

just play smn for this patch tbh, all fights are smn fights, even the gear is, lol

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Cleared A9S and Black Mage is just amazing there. Even your untraited Virus can be used on the Main Boss if you want or talk with your healers about it.

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Originally Posted by Maero

Well i was thinking more along the lines of when HW first came out, the gear at that time was bleh
2.x i was all in favor of determination, but in HW it really says nothing to me.
It's as if they just add whatever to gear now without really thinking about it, we loose much crit this patch also do we not?
Very sad indeed

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Yeah I highly doubt they have anyone actually putting thought into itemization beyond "This class CAN use SpS, Det, Crit" but don't take into context what secondaries the class actually wants. Very disappointing.

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Originally Posted by Lavitz_

BLM is really good in A9S and A10S, I've only done a few pulls of A11S so I can't comment on that or A12S.

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I think SMN is still better on A9S. You can pretty much solo most of the adds and keep the melee on boss. Also, your DoTs will continue ticking full potency for mini. Though with more gear as always, BLM will really shine because you would probably end up skipping those minis anyway. A10 is pretty much equal for both jobs, I THINK(haven't tested yet, will test next week) you DoT the vulnerability up adds and bane them of to the boss which would actually be crazy good. But again, with more gear people will easily skip that part(already almost skipped it in not even full crafted and no Sophia weapons). A11S on the other hand, is absolutely cancerous on BLM. I have took it in a few runs then I switched to SMN after 4 pulls or so, there's actually no scenario ever where a BLM should be beating or close to SMN on A11S assuming equal level. Though I think with more gear it will be okay to have 1/2 stacks so you can turret alot more than you can now.

I think SMN on A11S saved us alot of time for the kill to be honest, especially considering how greedy I can be on BLM ;_;

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Originally Posted by Lavitz_

BiS probably: http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/VNJ2

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Penta melded choker is better than the other two.
http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/VSUW should be better but nothing is completly certain till we know the exact acc cap.

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Originally Posted by Karja

Penta melded choker is better than the other two.
http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/VSUW should be better but nothing is completly certain till we know the exact acc cap.

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We already know the exact accuracy caps and it's the same as A8S, so neither of those builds are BiS. This is the BiS I am working on for BLM but instead of Apple Strudel you use the new Spell Speed/Crit food that's unfortunately still not listed in Ariyala.

http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/VTVY

No idea why you think your build is better, the penta melded choker is BIS.

I excluded your food btw:

Your build:
1594 INT
758 Crit (153.7224)
607 Det (99.9729)
1186 SS (450.9172)

total of

2298.6125

The build I linked:

1582
726 Crit (147.2328)
585 Det (96.3495)
1258 SS (478.2916)

total of

2303.8739

http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/VTYV
If only the gloves and the hat piece were crit/SS. Might go with Teak Choker, unsure still.

As for food, fondaulge or something is Spellspeed crit IIRC, I'll be going with that.

Why did we get such an extreme amount of accuracy if the accuracy cap hasn't changed. I thought A9S is the same as A8S but A12S also being the same? Sounds weird.

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Originally Posted by Cherub

http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/VTYV
If only the gloves and the hat piece were crit/SS. Might go with Teak Choker, unsure still.

As for food, fondaulge or something is Spellspeed crit IIRC, I'll be going with that.

Why did we get such an extreme amount of accuracy if the accuracy cap hasn't changed. I thought A9S is the same as A8S but A12S also being the same? Sounds weird.

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They didn't change accuracy caps because healers wouldn't be able to cap accuracy without crafted gear and/or relic otherwise.

HQ new food stats:

Effects
Spell Speed +5% (Max 53)
Vitality +5% (Max 55)
Critical Hit Rate +3% (Max 24)

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Originally Posted by Karja

No idea why you think your build is better, the penta melded choker is BIS.

I excluded your food btw:

Your build:
1594 INT
758 Crit (153.7224)
607 Det (99.9729)
1186 SS (450.9172)

total of

2298.6125

The build I linked:

1582
726 Crit (147.2328)
585 Det (96.3495)
1258 SS (478.2916)

total of

2303.8739

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My bad, I didn't see that your build had no food.

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Originally Posted by frostfirefawcett

I think SMN is still better on A9S. You can pretty much solo most of the adds and keep the melee on boss. Also, your DoTs will continue ticking full potency for mini. Though with more gear as always, BLM will really shine because you would probably end up skipping those minis anyway.

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True, but BLM is still very good. There's no reason to switch to SMN on that fight if you already enjoy BLM, unless doing speedkills or something.

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Originally Posted by frostfirefawcett

A11S on the other hand, is absolutely cancerous on BLM. I have took it in a few runs then I switched to SMN after 4 pulls or so, there's actually no scenario ever where a BLM should be beating or close to SMN on A11S assuming equal level. Though I think with more gear it will be okay to have 1/2 stacks so you can turret alot more than you can now.

I think SMN on A11S saved us alot of time for the kill to be honest, especially considering how greedy I can be on BLM ;_;

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FeelsBadMan. I still haven't gone back in, but I'm gonna give it a try on BLM tonight. Honestly I'm not up to the same level on SMN so I don't know if it would be worth it for me to switch, but I'm gonna be practicing anyway in case it comes to that.

How's A12S? I assume you're playing SMN?

I'm liking this for a BiS, if the acc cap is really the same as A8S: http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/VUM0

Unfortunate we probably won't be using the Alexandrian body, but it utilizes every other SS piece.

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Originally Posted by Karja

Stat weight math

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Old numbers weren't accurate; they were based off a simulator that came up with 10% off cast time = 20% more damage, without factoring party buffs or movement.

Even if those numbers were accurate for 3.2, they are different now that we have different INT. Stat weights are zooming in on a curve so far that it looks like a straight line. ex Crit hit stat weight formula is roughly:

weight = 1 / (sqrt[( ((crit-354)/4300)^2 + 0.5*((crit-354)/4300) + 1.0225) (INT + 1)/INT - 0.96] - 0.25 - ((crit-354)/4300) )

Crit hit rate buffs lower that a little, but we don't have access to Internal Release, so it's just litany.

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Originally Posted by Lavitz_

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A12S is amazing on Summoner up until last phase. Like, there are so many adds, so many movement in the fight that you really can't afford to play greedy or you will wipe the whole raid and double virus there is a godsend. I will probably give BLM a try on all fights once we are done with progression but right now, SMN is destroying those fights.