#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

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Originally Posted by Flay_wind

So, if JP healers are not pressured to DPS, how are they passing dps checks?

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By having DPS that are better at dealing damage and staying alive than NA and EU players, I would guess. It feels like a lot of players don't understand just how badly Weakness and Brink of Death affects their damage. If that damage is missing, then it needs to get made up from somewhere and that's generally going to mean the healers.

I assume there are JP players that use the same online tool that many NA and EU players use. Check numbers there. Is JP healer damage output noticeably lower on average compared to NA and EU healers?

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Originally Posted by Evergrey

And it's not about how easy or not a Healer can do damage, it's the amount of buttons I guess.
If a healer had a dps rotation maybe those " healers that might feel pressured" wouldn't know if they had to focus on that rotation instead of hitting a heal when needed.
Idunno, but this is what Yoshi said during the interniew 2021.

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I really don't understand this argument that any extra addition to the damage kit would suddenly make healers forget what role they queued for.

If they're unable to find the right time to use the new things, no one's forcing them to, they can still just DoT up and spam their filler to clear any regular content.

Also, if a healer is presented with the choice of "Heal or someone dies" or "Press Glare and Raise afterwards", the latter is very clearly the wrong choice and they should be regarded as a bad healer for picking it.

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

You can’t out design peoples desire to play classes wrong

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As long as there's a way to 'screw up' playing your Job, someone WILL screw up playing the Job. Designing around the lowest common denominator, to try and make it impossible for them to 'fail', is an exercise in futility. If we had one of the healers lose their DOT, so it's literally just one button over and over with nothing else (eg SCH has only Broil, no Bio, no Energy Drain, just broil), there will be players that don't press that button. If we have the reverse, where the Healer only has to put up a DOT once per 30s, and can AFK for the rest of the time (because they don't have a Glare/Broil/etc to use), there will be players who don't refresh the DOT on time. If we had Mortal Flame, a DOT that doesn't have a duration, and just keeps on ticking until the enemy is dead, you guessed it, there will be some players who don't press it, or don't even put it on their hotbars (because 'they are a healer they're not there to do damage')

The number of places where 'the healer shouldn't DPS, they should heal' is true, compared to 'the healer can contribute to damage too', is a serious minority. As games have evolved, the role has evolved and people have realized, both players and devs, that just healing is damn boring when you're in content that doesn't push your kit to the max, and so 'deal damage in downtime' was created to give the role something to occupy that dead-time. 'Healers should only heal' sounds more like a bad habit that people got into in an old version of WOW (or an acceptable habit for Cataclysm, but it is on record as being 'a badly designed healing paradigm' due to encounter and class design teams not communicating). For the true 'healers should only heal' experience, I guess Cataclysm Classic came out recently, so people could go try that and see what 'healers should only heal' results in

SE should design gameplay loops that incentivize dealing damage as a Healer, such as 'by dealing damage, you get access to more healing tools'. Even stuff as simple as 'for every Glare you cast, the cooldown on Tetragrammaton is reduced by 1 second'. It's weird to me that we have 'healing gives you damage' with Misery, but not 'damage gives you healing'. The closest thing I guess is 'Energy Drain gives Faerie Gauge which can then be used on Fey Union' but it feels so 'indirect' that it doesn't really register (plus the healing moves that cost AF grant the same gauge, so it's more a case of 'spending Aetherflow grants Faerie Gauge')

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Originally Posted by Aravell

I really don't understand this argument that any extra addition to the damage kit would suddenly make healers forget what role they queued for.

If they're unable to find the right time to use the new things, no one's forcing them to, they can still just DoT up and spam their filler to clear any regular content.

Also, if a healer is presented with the choice of "Heal or someone dies" or "Press Glare and Raise afterwards", the latter is very clearly the wrong choice and they should be regarded as a bad healer for picking it.

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Honestly, I don't either.
I'm simply trying to put myself in Yoshi and the teams position as of why they might've decidied on it.
Personally I would like to see a steady curve of difficulty through out the leveling journey.
People learn to improve when being faced with progressively more challenging content.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

By having DPS that are better at dealing damage and staying alive than NA and EU players, I would guess. It feels like a lot of players don't understand just how badly Weakness and Brink of Death affects their damage. If that damage is missing, then it needs to get made up from somewhere and that's generally going to mean the healers.

I assume there are JP players that use the same online tool that many NA and EU players use. Check numbers there. Is JP healer damage output noticeably lower on average compared to NA and EU healers?

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There's nothing to note about the disparity between JP and non-JP players when it comes to DPS roles, they perform relatively equally. I haven't looked into the disparity with healer in particular, but all I can say is; if the healers don't do any damage, they're not clearing the tier, E8S was impossible without healers contributing significantly in the first week, and considering how tough P8S was before the nerf, it was likely true there too. JP healers still have to do DPS, at the very least in non-casual content.

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Originally Posted by Kaurhz

See, this is where I personally draw the line.

a) It is considered as an act of griefing and is against the ToS. But hey, if you want to have the GMs knocking around an expansion launch, then you do you.

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Lmao. What are they gonna do about it? Ban someone for playing "bad"? Don't be ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by Venarius

Lmao. What are they gonna do about it? Ban someone for playing "bad"? Don't be ridiculous.

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refusing to heal is 100% against tos

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Originally Posted by sindriiisgaming

refusing to heal is 100% against tos

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It's not like they know. If an DPS dies, well - how unfortunate. Tragic even.

You guys take yourself way too serious. ;)

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Originally Posted by Venarius

It's not like they know. If an DPS dies, well - how unfortunate. Tragic even.

You guys take yourself way too serious. ;)

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Cant the GM look at the logs and see what skills the players have used?

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Originally Posted by Laerune

Cant the GM look at the logs and see what skills the players have used?

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They ask for name, server, duty/location and time so they can access the data collected during that, so yeah, probably.