Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent. 2.0

Had a SCH who died in Grand Cosmos, then got raised. GNB (me) dies from the severe lack of healing. SCH uses swiftcast and does nothing for 10 seconds (they had 5000 MP), gets killed again. We wipe.
So I had already noticed a LOT of Physick and Adloquium casts before this. They were running out of MP constantly. That means very little Aetherflow or Lucid Dreaming from them. I noticed they don't have their fairy out either (no Aetherpact, Seraph, Whispering Dawn), so I reminded them to summon their fairy because I guess they forgot. It's not as if they were a new healer. They had a full set of level 90 jobs - tanks, healers, DPS all included. They summon the fairy. We beat the 1st boss (though they die from mechanics again, 4 stacks of vulnerability is no joke). During the second boss I noticed they don't do mechanics either (spawned the fruit add) and they forgot to summon their fairy again. So after the second boss, I ask them to summon their fairy since they were struggling a lot. The healer is running low on MP (~2200 MP), so I didn't mind waiting a bit. They pause looked at my character before going ahead, inadvertently pulling the next group of mobs. The fairy still wasn't summoned. Loot gets picked up, so timer never ran out for a votekick.

Yeah, no. Then it means they were intentionally not using their fairy this entire time. I can't deal with this kind of behavior for the 6th or 7th time this week. My tolerance can only go so far. I'm out.

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Originally Posted by MiaShino

Friends report seeing a strange rise in deeps getting upset when the tank big pulls.

My uncle pulled all of Wanderer's Palace to the first boss because that pull is kinda fun and new Living Dead is silly. There was a Black Mage in the party (friendly after the duty so will give them benefit of the doubt) that mentioned not having to pull the whole dungeon. There was a single wipe there due to a minor misplay on the healer and tank's part (mistimed invuln + missed aggro on two mobs). Perfectly acceptable for players fresh out of ARR. That is no reason to abandon all hope into single pulls. Naturally my uncle ignored the chat and did the big pull again after understanding where he messed up and it went perfectly. There were zero wipes for the remainder of the dungeon and the healer (who is his partner) had zero issues with big pulling.

Honestly baffling, big pulling puts pressure on healer or tank, all the dps must do is push the aoe buttons so I am most confused... Why would a dps be upset with a big pull? Even a single wipe saves time over single pulling, especially if the player who caused the wipe is willing to learn. Seriously, let the new players pull it all and learn because how else are they going to get better?

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There's nothing wrong with the pull, but Black Mage is probably the worst job for that kind of movement, especially if it's someone unfamiliar with that situation and/or they fall behind. Wouldn't be surprised if they were mashing Scathe for a full minute.

Kugane Ohashi. Saw the first timer notice. Saw said first timer staying away from the group with their dorito. I typed a quick "Stack the doritos". The next time dorito appears they moved away instead.

Maybe one of these days SE should change the 'stack these!!'-markers from Dorito icon into Pringles icon so people are more inclined to stack them.

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Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne

Kugane Ohashi. Saw the first timer notice. Saw said first timer staying away from the group with their dorito. I typed a quick "Stack the doritos". The next time dorito appears they moved away instead.

Maybe one of these days SE should change the 'stack these!!'-markers from Dorito icon into Pringles icon so people are more inclined to stack them.

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It might work better if it were yellow like the stack marker.

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Originally Posted by Deveryn

It might work better if it were yellow like the stack marker.

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Would make the most sense. People tend to stay away from big red symbols as first instinct.

Zot backfill as MCH. Somehow get double-Exhausted in the narrow hallway during the last big pull and collapse. Both the healer and SMN forget they have a rez. Tank says "let me die" to proc Living Dead. It does, because the healer promptly stands still and does nothing for the next 30 seconds as everyone else kisses the ground one by one. Afterward:

Healer: "You didn't specify."
Tank: "Why would a tank want to die?"
Healer: "IDK."

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Originally Posted by VictorSpoils

Zot backfill as MCH. Somehow get double-Exhausted in the narrow hallway during the last big pull and collapse. Both the healer and SMN forget they have a rez. Tank says "let me die" to proc Living Dead. It does, because the healer promptly stands still and does nothing for the next 30 seconds as everyone else kisses the ground one by one. Afterward:

Healer: "You didn't specify."
Tank: "Why would a tank want to die?"
Healer: "IDK."

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.w. and this kids, is why we learn what other jobs do rather than just our own. Especially the more levels you get. ESPECIALLY if you're a Healer.

Definitely if you're a Healer. I feel like Healers and Tanks need to know what the other role does as they progress. For Healers it's important to identify tank cooldowns and know whether they're being used properly/whether you need to heal or not (WAR says hi on this one). For Tanks, it's just so they can adjust to a given healer's playstyle and know how fast they can react. As well as not to freak out when not being healed. Some healers have safety nets, others are raw healing.

I'll never get tired of seeing Paladins freak out and spam Clemency because they're at half health, meanwhile my AST has 2x charges of Essential Dignity, an Earthly Star charging up or a ticking Macrocosmos.

Dead Ends: tanking as PLD and sage had to take a dump or something because they kept running ahead. They threw a few comments about going faster. I kept quiet about it.

Ra-La delivered karma at the end, when the sage got wrecked during 2nd Prance and I got to heal the DPS for the remainder of the fight. They claim "it was a test." I say "speed kills" :p

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Originally Posted by Deveryn

Dead Ends: tanking as PLD and sage had to take a dump or something because they kept running ahead. They threw a few comments about going faster. I kept quiet about it.

Ra-La delivered karma at the end, when the sage got wrecked during 2nd Prance and I got to heal the DPS for the remainder of the fight. They claim "it was a test." I say "speed kills" :p

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Yeah being a PLD/WAR feels great when the healer goes down and you're like "Look at me. I'm your healer now".

Swallow's Compass. Me as GNB. Corridor before second boss, with the knockback waves and Morbols. I got tossed around like a salad, and managed to get hit by the infamous Morbol breath twice. Went so far as to type "FML" in chat. Sorry, healer.

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Swallow's Compass. Me as GNB. Corridor before second boss, with the knockback waves and Morbols. I got tossed around like a salad, and managed to get hit by the infamous Morbol breath twice. Went so far as to type "FML" in chat. Sorry, healer.

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I always stop to kill that on its own and people seldom take issue with that. :)

Multiple Malakah's Well runs as white mage.

taking advantage of the instaqueue as healers I decided to use traditional dungeon spam for healer and I gotta say. before shadowbringers I was not noticing anything strange with people's decision making skills but starting in here I noticed a dramatic drop in tank performance. When i'm tanking or dpsing I don't notice this kind of stuff but I sure can see it as a healer.

i've had two Dark Knights not using TBN (which was strange because they were using their other mitigations. You'd figure the one with the shortest cooldown would get used the more often.) and I had a Paladin that ate EVERY SINGLE ATTACK that storge(the final boss of this dungeon) did that put a vul stack on this lazy sandbagger. he literally never moved at all, which was more weird than anything because the rest of the dungeon he was perfectly fine with everything else he handled. He just stood there and ate 5 vul stacks every time Storge's mechs would start and finish. *triple raid-wide aoe intensifies*

Thank goodness the dpses were on point, it's a miracle in itself we didn't wipe.

I guess that shows how well I was able to manage my oGCD heals to prevent overextending resources but I do not want to go through that shenanigan again. Next tank I see that doesn't move during boss mechs and also doesn't have that red marker signaling that he/she is having network problems, i'm booting them on general principle.

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Originally Posted by Cincierta

To the random DRK I just had in Troia:

What did I do wrong as a sage that run? Why did you feel the need to constantly spam TBN/Oblation on me when you needed it more? Why did you spam Shirk on me when there was no need?

Was it because I missed the party once for Panhaima on the first boss and everyone spread out? Was it because I dared to come as a shield healer this time, a pew-pew one at that, and dared to dps? Was it because I dared to keep up with you and occasionally run ahead to encourage you to do big pulls? Was it because I kept putting a shield on you, aka using my kit to the best of the run, to make it as smooth and as quick as possible? Or were you more annoyed at the fact that I was also dropping shields on you to spam Toxicon? You were silent the entire run save for the emoted hug at the end.

Because I'm honestly baffled by your actions.

Sincerely,
One very confused healer

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Asserting dominance obviously.

A friendly reminder to not squander raise invulnerability when you get one... especially to that MNK I seen in my P8N run for weekly token.

The guy venn diagram'd to death. Got raised by my co-AST then immediately attempt to LB3... only to die to a Flank cleave where they got raised at. My turn to swift raise... again they immediately jump on the big gun to initiate LB... only to die again to Genesis of Flame real quick. Our RPR put them out of misery by taking the spotlight shortly afterward.

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Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne

A friendly reminder to not squander raise invulnerability when you get one... especially to that MNK I seen in my P8N run for weekly token.

The guy venn diagram'd to death. Got raised by my co-AST then immediately attempt to LB3... only to die to a Flank cleave where they got raised at. My turn to swift raise... again they immediately jump on the big gun to initiate LB... only to die again to Genesis of Flame real quick. Our RPR put them out of misery by taking the spotlight shortly afterward.

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Want one even better? I was doing P7N for my weekly and had people die to mechanics/getting knocked off. I'm whm and what do I do? Use healer lb3 because we had 5 people down.

Where did I use it? In the middle of the arena.
When did I use it? Just before the triple exflares were about to go off.

I got Venn-diagrammed 6 ways to Tuesday. God bless that little RDM that scraped me off the floor.

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Originally Posted by Reclusegamer

Multiple Malakah's Well runs as white mage.

taking advantage of the instaqueue as healers I decided to use traditional dungeon spam for healer and I gotta say. before shadowbringers I was not noticing anything strange with people's decision making skills but starting in here I noticed a dramatic drop in tank performance. When i'm tanking or dpsing I don't notice this kind of stuff but I sure can see it as a healer.

i've had two Dark Knights not using TBN (which was strange because they were using their other mitigations. You'd figure the one with the shortest cooldown would get used the more often.) and I had a Paladin that ate EVERY SINGLE ATTACK that storge(the final boss of this dungeon) did that put a vul stack on this lazy sandbagger. he literally never moved at all, which was more weird than anything because the rest of the dungeon he was perfectly fine with everything else he handled. He just stood there and ate 5 vul stacks every time Storge's mechs would start and finish. *triple raid-wide aoe intensifies*

Thank goodness the dpses were on point, it's a miracle in itself we didn't wipe.

I guess that shows how well I was able to manage my oGCD heals to prevent overextending resources but I do not want to go through that shenanigan again. Next tank I see that doesn't move during boss mechs and also doesn't have that red marker signaling that he/she is having network problems, i'm booting them on general principle.

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I'd have no issue using Rescue every moment it was off CD.

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Originally Posted by Renalt

I'd have no issue using Rescue every moment it was off CD.

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I was thinking about it but I was anticipating that his status symbol would change to the red lightning bolt to justify it.

I've tried to pull people before that were having network issues and what happens is that the skill just doesn't work and goes on CD. It has to actually communicate to the other player's side.

I noticed this when I was healing an orbonne raid when I was farming for mystic set for glamour reasons a few days ago and our tank was standing still off in narnia after the Quintuple Summon phase Ultima sets off before she starts that heal check. I tried to pull her into the bubble shield but she never moved at all. Poor fella, we made it though, but it happens.

and as someone who works in IT for enterprise level businesses....

more often than I want to admit.

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Originally Posted by Reclusegamer

I was thinking about it but I was anticipating that his status symbol would change to the red lightning bolt to justify it.

I've tried to pull people before that were having network issues and what happens is that the skill just doesn't work and goes on CD. It has to actually communicate to the other player's side.

I noticed this when I was healing an orbonne raid when I was farming for mystic set for glamour reasons a few days ago and our tank was standing still off in narnia after the Quintuple Summon phase Ultima sets off before she starts that heal check. I tried to pull her into the bubble shield but she never moved at all. Poor fella, we made it though, but it happens.

and as someone who works in IT for enterprise level businesses....

more often than I want to admit.

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Ah that might explain why I couldn't save anyone this one time in Great Gubal Library Hard. At first I just thought it was Arms Length/Surecast but couldnt find a reason they would use it unless they accidentally triggered it.

I don't know what would possess someone to hit up Unreal on a job they're not familiar / comfortable with... :rolleyes: (It was SAM).

Had a "battle burger" moment I guess...

https://media.discordapp.net/attachm...enshot_362.png

In Tower of Babil, on Anima with that AoE that follows you, I had one of the DPS killed when I didn't intend to. I'm salty because I know I didn't do it on purpose, but the run was perfectly fine up until then and had no issues whatsoever with anyone in the party.

What's a Battle Burger? Sounds deliciously dangerous.

I joined a clear for one on Barb and it was an actual clear for one in one shot (sloppy af, but still) :eek: :D

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Multiple Malakah's Well runs as white mage.

taking advantage of the instaqueue as healers I decided to use traditional dungeon spam for healer and I gotta say. before shadowbringers I was not noticing anything strange with people's decision making skills but starting in here I noticed a dramatic drop in tank performance. When i'm tanking or dpsing I don't notice this kind of stuff but I sure can see it as a healer.

i've had two Dark Knights not using TBN (which was strange because they were using their other mitigations. You'd figure the one with the shortest cooldown would get used the more often.) and I had a Paladin that ate EVERY SINGLE ATTACK that storge(the final boss of this dungeon) did that put a vul stack on this lazy sandbagger. he literally never moved at all, which was more weird than anything because the rest of the dungeon he was perfectly fine with everything else he handled. He just stood there and ate 5 vul stacks every time Storge's mechs would start and finish. *triple raid-wide aoe intensifies*

Thank goodness the dpses were on point, it's a miracle in itself we didn't wipe.

I guess that shows how well I was able to manage my oGCD heals to prevent overextending resources but I do not want to go through that shenanigan again. Next tank I see that doesn't move during boss mechs and also doesn't have that red marker signaling that he/she is having network problems, i'm booting them on general principle.

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Sorry for quoting the entirety of the post but snipping on phone is torture.

DRK probably didn't use TBN because they squandered MP on the oGCD attack (can't remember the name off the top of my head, it had a straight-line AoE version and it refreshes your damage buff).

It takes less brainpower to refresh the buff timer like that.

On my catboy alt, as a WHM trying to clear base ShB.

Together with the help of my friend we queued into Amaurot. DF paired us (WHM & SAM) with DRK & DNC. Everything seems normal until after wall pull after 1st boss. The DRK suddenly sticks to single pull.

"Well okay that's fine. The music and the feel here is nice anyway..." I told myself.

Onto the second group, the DRK tanked the mob close to where they are stationed. About 30% health remaining they suddenly pulled all the mobs to the wall, away from my happy holy'ing spree.

"What just happ--... whatever. It happens."

Second boss commences. Again, starts out normally but then our DRK proceed on collecting tiger cookies so freely they had 7 stacks by the time the actual boss returns to the arena. At this point I've become wary of what's coming up in next wall pull. Truly, the DRK again pulls off the same antic on the first pack at first section. This time they immediately run to the next pack the moment I started my Holy cast---but I kinda expected this; I held my PoM and cancelled the cast. Enmity, while have never been really being ripped by any of us, I see they're wandering dangerously close to high yellow/orange color on the enmity bar & aggro table. The DRK also start to eat some red carpets, an antic they never displayed on any previous trash pack pulls.

Moving onto next section, they straight up pulled everything but then pops Living Dead on... full HP... in the middle of my Holy spam....? They went even crazier with red carpet eating this time. No problem; I just cast...2 more Cure II and Regen...which means 3 less Holies...? At this point I'm fully expecting them to just take everything raw so I decided to play with their health bar. Dropping it so low (if I remember correctly it was 389 left) before hitting Benediction as if nothing really happened.

Finally after all of that, we reached Therion... only for the DRK to suddenly just stops moving & responding to anything. They just waited back there on the platform as if waiting for one of us to pull the boss. Honestly, If I was in bad mood earlier in the day I might've just vote dismiss'ed the fella but I'm interested how this would turn out. At 6 minute mark I asked them in the party chat: "Are you alright over there?".

Again, no response. My friend /poke'd him, then the DNC wiggling and spinning around the DRK, probably trying to signal that they're getting impatient. At 9 minute mark DNC finally spoke up about vote dismissing, which the rest of us quickly agreed to. The vote passed with no resistance in addition to instantly getting a tank replacement. We cleared the run real quick afterward.

Outside my friend's goof'ed a few and died from it, nobody ever died & the DRK didn't even made a single peep. I was thinking it was a legit lethargic play but I really hope I was wrong.

Shinryu came up on trial roulette for PLD.
Tidal Wave starts. I run to the back. Everyone else is in the middle.... :rolleyes:

I have to say I appreciate how it hits like a proper wave as I got bumped first, then everyone else went flying past me in the front, with the exception of a MCH who must've used Arm's Length. :D

Me: y'all ...
"I thought we were good"
Me: If you see a tank moving, you should probably do the same. :p

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Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne

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Sounds like a really bad bot program you ran into.

Well, a Castrum Meridianum tank complained about not being able to do pulls, the extent of which was supposedly me hitting the first boss with Harpe whilst they were charging at it (the big pulls before the boss went quite smoothly). The tank promptly decided to turn off stance for the entire fight, resulting in all the adds chasing the healer and co-RPR around since I was burning down the boss. Upon both of them notifying the lack of stance, the tank responded with "I don't have time for this," which amusingly contradicts them protesting the alleged increased pace (in a very undertuned dungeon that I had little issue semi-tanking), in addition to them suddenly doing a small pull right after the first boss (in which the rest of the party grabbed the other mobs).

Did a few mentor rouletts yesterday as a tank and it is always a joy of what you can get.

Got one queue pop which is a 16 min running duty.
Oh no, probably a ex trail. So I get in and it is a 8 player duty, but the last EW msq trail.
Well, apparently the Tank's didn't use the LB3 and then just left the duty, followed by nearly everyone else.
Easy clear for us.

That was smooth so I go for another round and again a 16min running duty. This time it is a ex primal for sure.
Got in and it is Antitower.
While running to the group I asked the group about the previous tank and they say he was a douche.
I expect them to wait at the first or 2nd boss but they are at the last boss already.
So, another fast round.

I also got in 4 different normal raids, 3 EW ones and one SB. I always had the same DRK co-tank who insta pulled as soon as possible. Even after a wipe or when one healer had the DC symbol.
He also had tank stance active most of the time but never got even close of taking Aggro.

HEY GUYS! Guess what! guess what!... I've been playing this game since 2015.. and I FINALLY... FINALLY!!! Got my first YPYT! I'm so happy!!!....Wasn't even the DAMN TANK.

So me being the Masochist I am, I'm currently trying to get all the relic weapons (Like I did all the others) . So was doing 50/60/70/80 roulette for some Tomes to buy more rocks.

Load in and see I'm in Kugane Castle with a WAR, SGE, RPR. And me on DNC

Gate drops RPR instantly teleports and runs off to the first group pulling them back to the tank, which is picked up no problem. (Tank continues and grabs the next one also) Dance them down. Onto the next full pull... which somehow leads in the tank dying.. which was weird. I was soon after. But the tank was back up by then and they finished it no problem.

Its the first boss I start to notice the weird way the Sage is healing... single target healing. But nothing really rings any bells till the RPR dies with about 10% of the boss HP left. And it wasn't that they stood in stuff. Its just... they weren't getting any heals and the next stack marker took them out. Mmmkay.

Continue on with me paying full attention to the quickly checked level of 90 Sage. And this continues.. no healing is happening on the RPR.
I'm getting shields, Tank is getting shields. Sage is shielding themselves.. Hmmm.....

Last big pull before the last boss the RPR dies.. and the Sage.. just leaves them there..The following conversation happens after they are left there for a long while.

RPR: res....
Me: ><
Me: Don't think the sage wants to get you
Me: Return
RPR: hes just trash
(At this point I kinda don't wanna pay attention to chat anymore. Since the RPR just made it so they can't file a report and I wasn't sure if they might have been friends)
SGE: okay
(Takes note of the different server... Hmm maybe not friends.. Watches as the sage now stands at the entrance of the boss room. Not moving as we fight the boss... sighs wondering how easy it is to wipe it)
RPR: why else would you not rez me for 4 mins
(slight exaggeration though it was a while but then... it happens.... IT HAPPENS!)
SGE: because you pulled several times ahead of the tank, and that shits agrivating
Me: ypyt is again tos ...
(On controller trying to type and dps means typos happen, but it seems to make the sage suddenly start moving again...)
RPR: lol really pretty petty bro
SGE: you could also just not cause problems
(Please note the SPROUT Tank seemed to have ZERO issues just picking up the adds neatly brought to him..)
Me: …
Me: You're the one not doing your job..
RPR: you could also just heal like ur supposed to instead of cause probs.
(Boss is dead. And the last words of our SGE before they scoot out)
SGE: I'd pay for a last name change if I wrere you.

Now I ASSUME. Its because we DIDN'T have matching last names... but were the same server.. Only.. I didn't know the RPR... I didn't queue with the RPR... and would have 100% of reported the SGE had the RPR not called them trash... But still.. I'm so proud... and honored... to have my first.. YPYT... even if it wasn't the tank... -Wipes tears-




PS..Followed that up by a 90 roulette on SMN... with a PLD who told me and the other SMN ...to "Be selfish with your phoenix" "my clem is more potent than your phoenix" ...which they used.. often.. during pulls.. lol... Battle crowned... btw..

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PS..Followed that up by a 90 roulette on SMN... with a PLD who told me and the other SMN ...to "Be selfish with your phoenix" "my clem is more potent than your phoenix" ...which they used.. often.. during pulls.. lol... Battle crowned... btw..

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It was a very rare moment long ago but I had a tank looking at me funny for using Curing Waltz during pulls and then somehow he blamed the healer because I used it despite being a normal run with both doing their job without issues

When they first told us to use the buff on ourselves. My first reply was to point out its better used on them since they are the one taking dmg.. But thats when they pointed out because they were a PLD. they didn't need it and dropped the clem line on us. I just said "as you wish..." and kept the buff to myself for the dmg I wasn't taking..... (after the run I had just gotten out of I didn't feel like an argument again)
and watched in sorrow as they really were using clem... a lot.. I also like how my random SMN co-dps. said "Oh yeah, I forgot" like this was actually a thing that should be happening..

Ran lv90 roulette as a BLM, got thrown into Stigma Dreamscape. WHM said "ignore adds" in party chat at final boss. The PLD asks them to elaborate; elaborate we did. They replied: "I disagree with the method but I'll do it."

To that PLD, I hope they did not took it personally. They have my respect for being upfront with their thought. Insta comm.

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Originally Posted by EvonyRose

[...]...Followed that up by a 90 roulette on SMN... with a PLD who told me and the other SMN ...to "Be selfish with your phoenix" "my clem is more potent than your phoenix" ...which they used.. often.. during pulls.. lol... Battle crowned... btw..

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How they think Clememecy's 1000p is more potent that SMN Rekindle's 1400p (also ability!) is beyond me...

Impatient people...

Temple of Quarn, brutal, I'm the tank. The dungeon goes on normally, despite a rather nervous rogue. I wall-to-wall, sprint between packs, but he stubbornly stays in front and pulls by himself. Which I can understand if I was doing pack by pack, but a bit less when I take as many mobs as physically possible. Well, a bit tiring, since he doesn't bother to come back to me afterwards. But it's not dramatic, and I can get the mobs back on me. So I continue without protesting more than that.

It's time for the second boss. Here, a little unforeseen event IRL: someone calls me. I stop, thinking that people would wait nicely (as usual, in fact). Time to quickly check the phone call, just to see that it's nothing important. I probably should have taken the time to note the "2s" in the chat, but I can see everyone stopping in front of the boss, showing that they had noticed I wasn't following... And inevitably, my little impatient rogue pulls when he sees that I'm not coming fast enough for his taste.

GOOD. I sit down quickly to aggro the boss. We make the fight, and at this moment I write in the chat that I need a little time IRL, that I return very quickly. No problem for the healer and the BLM, which are the highest in terms of level and stuff. For the rogue, however... That's another matter. During the thirty seconds I'm away from the screen, he has time to die once because he pulled by himself. Complaining, the bugger, because "it wasn't the first time I [me, the tank] did the dungeon", and apparently the healer had to follow him and follow the rhythm he had chosen himself.

... Then a second time, because he tried to stealth past one pack to attack the next. When I came back, we continued at the same pace; he joined us, spat on the ground in /emote, didn't say anything else for the whole instance and left as quickly as possible afterwards.

I don't know how to say this anymore, as it seems like common sense, but you don't play with bots. After several years of logging into FFXIV fairly regularly, I'm the first to understand the impatience felt when the tank doesn't pull much. Especially since I like to go fast, and almost never do pack by pack, except in special cases. All this does not prevent that, behind the avatar of the dps / healer / tank, there is a human. Someone who sometimes has to step away from the screen for certain reasons. If you can't stand a 30 second break in a dungeon that is otherwise completed as quickly as possible, to the point of sulking afterwards, don't sign up for PF.

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Originally Posted by Jettinson

It was a very rare moment long ago but I had a tank looking at me funny for using Curing Waltz during pulls and then somehow he blamed the healer because I used it despite being a normal run with both doing their job without issues

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I always pop Curing after a stack marker finishes dishing out it's damage. Even if it's not needed, it's just a habit I got into after a few healers didn't bother back in ShB and people dropped to raid wides shortly after that stack.

I've had healers tell me to stop pulling as DNC as well, and it's usually only in dungeons where you have to trigger the mobs spawning before you can attack them(like in Alzadaal's Legacy, with the mobs in the first area, or the gates that sawn more mobs). I stopped running ahead until the tank themselves who say to go ahead...and the healer decides to not heal me. But that's what Second Wind and Curing Waltz are for. I just made sure they were out of range of my Shield Samba and Technical Step if possible.

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Originally Posted by EvonyRose

PS..Followed that up by a 90 roulette on SMN... with a PLD who told me and the other SMN ...to "Be selfish with your phoenix" "my clem is more potent than your phoenix" ...which they used.. often.. during pulls.. lol... Battle crowned... btw..

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I have to be reminded that Clemency exists by my friends whenever I'm on pld.

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Originally Posted by Merrigan

Impatient people...

Temple of Quarn, brutal, I'm the tank. The dungeon goes on normally, despite a rather nervous rogue. I wall-to-wall, sprint between packs, but he stubbornly stays in front and pulls by himself. Which I can understand if I was doing pack by pack, but a bit less when I take as many mobs as physically possible. Well, a bit tiring, since he doesn't bother to come back to me afterwards. But it's not dramatic, and I can get the mobs back on me. So I continue without protesting more than that.

It's time for the second boss. Here, a little unforeseen event IRL: someone calls me. I stop, thinking that people would wait nicely (as usual, in fact). Time to quickly check the phone call, just to see that it's nothing important. I probably should have taken the time to note the "2s" in the chat, but I can see everyone stopping in front of the boss, showing that they had noticed I wasn't following... And inevitably, my little impatient rogue pulls when he sees that I'm not coming fast enough for his taste.

GOOD. I sit down quickly to aggro the boss. We make the fight, and at this moment I write in the chat that I need a little time IRL, that I return very quickly. No problem for the healer and the BLM, which are the highest in terms of level and stuff. For the rogue, however... That's another matter. During the thirty seconds I'm away from the screen, he has time to die once because he pulled by himself. Complaining, the bugger, because "it wasn't the first time I [me, the tank] did the dungeon", and apparently the healer had to follow him and follow the rhythm he had chosen himself.

... Then a second time, because he tried to stealth past one pack to attack the next. When I came back, we continued at the same pace; he joined us, spat on the ground in /emote, didn't say anything else for the whole instance and left as quickly as possible afterwards.

I don't know how to say this anymore, as it seems like common sense, but you don't play with bots. After several years of logging into FFXIV fairly regularly, I'm the first to understand the impatience felt when the tank doesn't pull much. Especially since I like to go fast, and almost never do pack by pack, except in special cases. All this does not prevent that, behind the avatar of the dps / healer / tank, there is a human. Someone who sometimes has to step away from the screen for certain reasons. If you can't stand a 30 second break in a dungeon that is otherwise completed as quickly as possible, to the point of sulking afterwards, don't sign up for PF.

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I thought this was going to go a different way entirely at the start of your post. Good lord he sounds like an ass, y'all should have just kicked him instead of enabling him to get the clear. People like that don't deserve the carry, and you'll get a replacement very quickly.

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Originally Posted by Cincierta

I have to be reminded that Clemency exists by my friends whenever I'm on pld.

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Meanwhile, me to my friends:

"If you use Clemency I swear to God I will destroy you."

The GCD you waste on it, the MP you spend on it, even the Requiescat window you use to buff it, none of them are worth half a dime.
All you do with it is something a healer's already doing. "Oh but it helps", no it doesn't, you're better off killing the stuff lowering your HP faster. All the heals you need are things I can provide. As OGCDs, no cost, and far more effective. Use defensive cooldowns, use regens if you can, those are fine. Clemency is not worth it. And if I catch you using it, I swear to you I'll play the world's cruellest "How low can you go" game you've ever laid eyes on.

...to friends, of course :)

Randoms and Sprouts don't need me giving them heart attacks. If they want to Clemency, they can Clemency, it's their crappy playstyle, and if I say something I'm breaking ToS.

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

Meanwhile, me to my friends:

"If you use Clemency I swear to God I will destroy you."

The GCD you waste on it, the MP you spend on it, even the Requiescat window you use to buff it, none of them are worth half a dime.
All you do with it is something a healer's already doing. "Oh but it helps", no it doesn't, you're better off killing the stuff lowering your HP faster. All the heals you need are things I can provide. As OGCDs, no cost, and far more effective. Use defensive cooldowns, use regens if you can, those are fine. Clemency is not worth it. And if I catch you using it, I swear to you I'll play the world's cruellest "How low can you go" game you've ever laid eyes on.

...to friends, of course :)

Randoms and Sprouts don't need me giving them heart attacks. If they want to Clemency, they can Clemency, it's their crappy playstyle, and if I say something I'm breaking ToS.

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Only time I use clemency is if both healers are down and there's still a chance of saving the run. I've definitely PLD healed a group to a clear on an extreme once or twice, and I've definitely seen a PLD save a run where it was just them and another tank, with the PLD using clemency to keep the other tank up lol.

I'm actually sad at how bad it is to cast clemency. I hate the idea of "here's a skill you should never use" so much.

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

Meanwhile, me to my friends:

"If you use Clemency I swear to God I will destroy you."

The GCD you waste on it, the MP you spend on it, even the Requiescat window you use to buff it, none of them are worth half a dime.
All you do with it is something a healer's already doing. "Oh but it helps", no it doesn't, you're better off killing the stuff lowering your HP faster. All the heals you need are things I can provide. As OGCDs, no cost, and far more effective. Use defensive cooldowns, use regens if you can, those are fine. Clemency is not worth it. And if I catch you using it, I swear to you I'll play the world's cruellest "How low can you go" game you've ever laid eyes on.

...to friends, of course :)

Randoms and Sprouts don't need me giving them heart attacks. If they want to Clemency, they can Clemency, it's their crappy playstyle, and if I say something I'm breaking ToS.

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I've seen both sides of this. I've come to have some trust issues with roulette healers, so I'm always ready to hit that spell if I absolutely need to. On the other hand, I could be healing a PLD, keeping them above 50% and they cast and I'm just facepalming.

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

[...]Randoms and Sprouts don't need me giving them heart attacks. If they want to Clemency, they can Clemency, it's their crappy playstyle, and if I say something I'm breaking ToS.

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My pet peeve is getting the random/sprouts who gives a "Why you no heal/Why am I doing your work"-response when this happens.