Female Hrothgar as a playable race. Show your support!

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Originally Posted by BlitzAceRush

I know one must always temper one's expectations, but I do find it funny that after all the "You'll never get M-Veira!" and "Good luck waiting for 7.0 and beyond!" They surprise us and they show up in 6.0, yet we're already back to. "Bah! Don't expect anything! F-Hroth's for 7.0 if you're lucky!" and "They'll never surprise us! ... y'know... like they just did... so there!" The cycle continues.

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Yeah, the reason I figured we simply were not getting the genders before (until YP confirmed he wants 10 more years outta this MMO and called it his life's work) is for the glaring fact ... that the longer you wait to add a new race/ model the harder it becomes because you put THAT much more work on the team. To me they had to do them next expac or else they would simply have to wait for a massive graphics engine update cause it's just not going to get any easier any other way.

So yeah, we've never had a "race" release outside the start of an expac ... but we've also never been told "We're working on releasing X race, they're coming, just not in X.0 patch cause we're focusing on releasing Y race". We're in uncharted waters and on top of that we've already seen artistic depictions of them in game. I legit wouldn't be shocked if the final Bozja chapter features a Female Hrothgar NPC with a hidden or custom face like they did draggos. (so long as they know what the body shape will be it wouldn't be hard to make an NPC that just wears 1 outfit and uses canned animations)

i hope they FINALLY will have true HROTHQUEENS shown soon in bozja!! no more femroe placeholders!
im so excited for their reveal!

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Originally Posted by DamianFatale

I hope it's not wayy later. Like patch 6.1x would be fine, but if it's all the way at the end, then I will be disappointed.

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Better late than never, least you know its coming.

You know, It gives me hope that half the internet finding their awakening to Lady Dimitrescu might fuel SE to make the fem hrothgars to be big and powerful instead of tiny uwu

Just to be curious, how y'all expect Female Hrothgar?

Same as Hrothgar, furry but female like female Ronsos?
I'm craving for a strong, tall beast race that isn't furry and would like to know how many are in the same boat as me.

These are probably the best Hrothgals I've seen, hoping they look like that and not the Cats 2019 or Bless type, Twelve know we have way more than our fair share of dainty waifus

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E1b0szeV...pg&name=medium

By @vavafle_ on twitter

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Originally Posted by Allegor

These are probably the best Hrothgals I've seen, hoping they look like that and not the Cats 2019 or Bless type, Twelve know we have way more than our fair share of dainty waifus

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E1b0szeV...pg&name=medium

By @vavafle_ on twitter

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Yep this is pretty much exactly how I envision them
Would like at least a /cpose that gives them a hunch like the males.

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Originally Posted by CKNovel

Just to be curious, how y'all expect Female Hrothgar?

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The fanart that's been posted above is pretty much within the ballpark of what I'm hoping for: I wanna play a cool, tough beast gal that has a cute cat face.

If they end up looking too human that's gonna be a hard pass for me. As I've mentioned in the thread before, I am exhausted at how beastly or monstrous fantasy races in various media often end up still having very humanoid women. If I wanted to be a dolled up babe then those options already exist. Plus, there's already been plenty of Cats jokes made even without having any official confirmation on how they look, I'd like to avoid an increase in that, lmao.

I think something like this would be perfect, a good mix of cool and beauty. Got an elegant feel like the mural depictions as well tho unfortunately wed never get that hair

https://i.imgur.com/ndX9pyE.jpg

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Originally Posted by Frooty

I think something like this would be perfect, a good mix of cool and beauty. Got an elegant feel like the mural depictions as well tho unfortunately wed never get that hair

https://i.imgur.com/ndX9pyE.jpg

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Give it more muzzle and its perfect

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Originally Posted by Frooty

I think something like this would be perfect, a good mix of cool and beauty. Got an elegant feel like the mural depictions as well tho unfortunately wed never get that hair

https://i.imgur.com/ndX9pyE.jpg

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Eeeh, face is pretty similar to the Hellsguard Roegadyn face (also very human shaped).

This though...
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EwgW4xEV...jpg&name=large

Let's get it!!

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Originally Posted by CKNovel

Just to be curious, how y'all expect Female Hrothgar?

Same as Hrothgar, furry but female like female Ronsos?
I'm craving for a strong, tall beast race that isn't furry and would like to know how many are in the same boat as me.

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That game's Ronso are so far removed from what we got with Hrothgar that it pretty much means nothing to me.

This announcement sparked the best example of what I think they will look like in the form of Fan-Art ...
(Just like with everything I post, you can click on it to go to their twitter account)
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E1b3bNDV...pg&name=medium

I actually think it's a very smart display of understanding the patterns in this game. (as in, just like with every other female, these 4 faces are less visually diverse than the males and leans heavily towards being attractive over "monstrous")
Strong and feminine, basically highlander in shape with attractive faces that are more flat than the males but still clearly furry.

As for me, I still think Bozja FemRoe queen's custom body parameters is what they will have given that we know they're working on them and I see no reason to give this FemRoe a custom body in this context if not to have it reflect on the topic of female Hrothgar.

Just saw that on twitter and came here to post it but was beat to it, i think its a wonderful depiction that has a good balance of beast and human traits if it was anything like that id be sold

We got the male viera thread to 1400+ pages and the mad lads did it. Now it's time to get the Hrothgals up to those same levels.

I would like a stronger, chunkier, more beastly version personally. A gal that looks like she can keep up with the boys, not like they'd break her in two. A powerlifter.

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Originally Posted by Catwho

We got the male viera thread to 1400+ pages and the mad lads did it. Now it's time to get the Hrothgals up to those same levels.

I would like a stronger, chunkier, more beastly version personally. A gal that looks like she can keep up with the boys, not like they'd break her in two. A powerlifter.

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Unlike before, at least female Hrothgar were confirmed to be coming. When? Hard to say. I'm guessing 7.0 at the latest though. Still, it's nice to know that they heard us. Maybe not this thread specifically, but clearly the demand was high enough for them to go forward with it.

Given how we know characters models are made in this game, female Hrothgar will likely be based off the existing female Roe body model. While I probably will never play one myself, I hope our devs provide an option that is different from the very narrow existing options provided regarding female body types.

I cant wait to see their design. Even if we dont see them until 7.0 Thank you Yoshi and the dev team for doing this!

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Originally Posted by Frooty

I think something like this would be perfect, a good mix of cool and beauty. Got an elegant feel like the mural depictions as well tho unfortunately wed never get that hair

https://i.imgur.com/ndX9pyE.jpg

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That is literally Merlwyb with cat ears tho

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/9b/a5...5bae73bfdf.jpg
https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/p...iv_merlwyb.jpg

I can't wait to see female Hroth

Congratulations female hrothgar wanters. :)

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Originally Posted by Senn

Congratulations female hrothgar wanters. :)

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No Hype until we see them

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

No Hype until we see them

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Ehhh I guess it's good to keep your expectations measured. They did such a good job with male viera, though. So I believe they'll also do an excellent job with female hrothgar. The art these past few pages seemed really nice, too. I'm not super into beast characters myself, but it's kind of growing on me.

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Originally Posted by Senn

Ehhh I guess it's good to keep your expectations measured. They did such a good job with male viera, though. So I believe they'll also do an excellent job with female hrothgar. The art these past few pages seemed really nice, too. I'm not super into beast characters myself, but it's kind of growing on me.

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Its nice and cute to hear confirmation they are coming, but there is no timeframe, not even a vague hint. So, sorry to be pessimistic, but I have nothing tangible to look foreword to, not even some concept art to give me hope or even an idea of where they might take the design. Just...something yknow? Fanart isn't gonna do it for me, I want to know where the devs stand on the design, because thats what Im gonna see in game.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

Its nice and cute to hear confirmation they are coming, but there is no timeframe, not even a vague hint. So, sorry to be pessimistic, but I have nothing tangible to look foreword to, not even some concept art to give me hope or even an idea of where they might take the design. Just...something yknow? Fanart isn't gonna do it for me, I want to know where the devs stand on the design, because thats what Im gonna see in game.

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I guessssssssssss lol I can't imagine they would be vastly different from the fanart tbh On a side note, I'm looking at kimari ffx model and comparing it to a random hrothgar model. I'm noticing that the hrothgar model has a slightly longer snout (there are face options that have shorter/longer snouts). So I'm thinking that at the very least, there will be different snout lengths for the females too.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

Its nice and cute to hear confirmation they are coming, but there is no timeframe, not even a vague hint. So, sorry to be pessimistic, but I have nothing tangible to look foreword to, not even some concept art to give me hope or even an idea of where they might take the design. Just...something yknow? Fanart isn't gonna do it for me, I want to know where the devs stand on the design, because thats what Im gonna see in game.

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I'd say expect them for 7.0. Expecting them earlier than that is asking to be disappointed. Look how long we've waited for hairstyles for viera and hrothgar with nothing to show. I think these big additions will only come in expansion releases... and if they do come earlier, it would be a pleasant surprise, but it's highly unlikely.

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Originally Posted by Senn

I guessssssssssss lol I can't imagine they would be vastly different from the fanart tbh On a side note, I'm looking at kimari ffx model and comparing it to a random hrothgar model. I'm noticing that the hrothgar model has a slightly longer snout (there are face options that have shorter/longer snouts). So I'm thinking that at the very least, there will be different snout lengths for the females too.

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Maybe, or they can go the opposite direction and they will have short housecat faces, or even human faces and basically look like The Admiral.
We'll see.

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Originally Posted by Starshower

I'd say expect them for 7.0. Expecting them earlier than that is asking to be disappointed. Look how long we've waited for hairstyles for viera and hrothgar with nothing to show. I think these big additions will only come in expansion releases... and if they do come earlier, it would be a pleasant surprise, but it's highly unlikely.

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7.0 is already a giant disappointment itself.

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Originally Posted by Senn

I guessssssssssss lol I can't imagine they would be vastly different from the fanart tbh On a side note, I'm looking at kimari ffx model and comparing it to a random hrothgar model. I'm noticing that the hrothgar model has a slightly longer snout (there are face options that have shorter/longer snouts). So I'm thinking that at the very least, there will be different snout lengths for the females too.

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I'm personally of the mind that the devs have given us enough to "know" what they're basically going to look like and with the confirmation that they've been working on them, it makes all that in game evidence even more rock solid than it already was. Hopefully we get an NPC and even more art soon in the final Bozja patch.

As for timing, there's nothing to be done about it. At this point it's anywhere between 6.1 and 7.0, and I truly don't think they would bother telling us about it this early if it was something they expect to get out in 7.0 ... but that's just an unfounded guess. Fact of the matter is that the longer it takes, the more work it's going to require and longer it's going to take to stabilize development time for the game so that gives me hope.
So yeah, it could be better, but I'm riding the joy wave.

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Originally Posted by reivaxe

I'm personally of the mind that the devs have given us enough to "know" what they're basically going to look like and with the confirmation that they've been working on them, it makes all that in game evidence even more rock solid than it already was. Hopefully we get an NPC and even more art soon in the final Bozja patch.

As for timing, there's nothing to be done about it. At this point it's anywhere between 6.1 and 7.0, and I truly don't think they would bother telling us about it this early if it was something they expect to get out in 7.0 ... but that's just an unfounded guess.
So yeah, it could be better, but I'm riding the joy wave.

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I think we have a general idea for what they look like, yeah. It's not a big mystery like male viera was. What do you mean by evidence, though? Do you mean that mosaic of the hrothgar queen?

I can't remember if I posted in here a congrats as well, so here it is;

Congrats!! Yay!! Lioness ladies here we come ;D

According to this interview, male Viera were inspired by community's fanarts, so I would say it's pretty possible for Hrothgars, as well. If that will be the case, we a have a fairly solid chance to recieve a good result, as most female Hrothgar fanarts seem to share common spirit in it.

As for the timeframe... sadly I suppose it will be 7.0, since race is a selling point for expansion. But if it happens somewhere inbetween it would be cool. DevTeam showed many times that they can surprise us.

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Originally Posted by Senn

I think we have a general idea for what they look like, yeah. It's not a big mystery like male viera was. What do you mean by evidence, though? Do you mean that mosaic of the hrothgar queen?

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Yes, I'm referring to that. I've yet to see the devs half-ass their lore, as we know it to be they have been actively working on Female Hrothgar and for some reason decided to show historical art that directly features them and even shows the difference between them and the a Femroe in the story (back when she wasn't the queen). Would be strange to go through that effort just to have them pop up looking completely different, so I don't expect them to be jacked like a male body builder as some here want and I don't expect them to be Au Ra tiny. Highlander/ Viera like seems to be the deal.

I expect them to have the body type of the Femroe Bozja Queen. I've yet to see a better explanation as to why she looks like a normal Femroe in the mosaic before taking in the Hrothgar Queen primal energy yet has a completely different body afterward (nor why she has glowing cat eyes as well ... if not for the whole Hrothgar Queen Primal energy thing). And on top of that her body matches the Hrothgar in that mosaic art and has all the difference to a Femroe body that they are shown to have. These things aren't an accident, the devs know exactly what a Femroe looks like in that type of clothing and changed her for a reason.

So to me, that's what I expect them to look like body wise. Head? That's more tricky and I'm not nearly as worried about cause I know the devs are good at that. I personally expect a much flatter face than the males, but it's anyone's guess until we see one. I'm fine regardless, if there's anything these devs have proven it's that they know how to make things pretty.

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Originally Posted by Catwho

We got the male viera thread to 1400+ pages and the mad lads did it. Now it's time to get the Hrothgals up to those same levels.

I would like a stronger, chunkier, more beastly version personally. A gal that looks like she can keep up with the boys, not like they'd break her in two. A powerlifter.

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"Powerlifter"? Is it really worth the resources spent if they did end up looking like this? Almost nobody would play them. Frankly, I'd rather have the team working on hairs for viera at that point. At least male viera will be popular regardless, so there is a justification there.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

"Powerlifter"? Is it really worth the resources spent if they did end up looking like this? Almost nobody would play them. Frankly, I'd rather have the team working on hairs for viera at that point. At least male viera will be popular regardless, so there is a justification there.

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its not a waste of resources if someone enjoys it.

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Originally Posted by Duskane

its not a waste of resources if someone enjoys it.

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I would enjoy to have a larger selection of hairs. Them spending large amounts of resources now, and in the future to maintain a race almost nobody would want is cutting my enjoyment.

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Originally Posted by reivaxe

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Ahh I get what you mean. I was expecting them to be kinda big like female roe. As for the snout thing, they might have smaller or somewhat flatter features since they're female like you said. You're right about them knowing how to make things pretty. They really did prove themselves, so I think people can be a little more optimistic about it.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

I would enjoy to have a larger selection of hairs. Them spending large amounts of resources now, and in the future to maintain a race almost nobody would want is cutting my enjoyment.

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well you are just gonna have to cope till they add more
female hrothgar are planned regardless now.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

I would enjoy to have a larger selection of hairs. Them spending large amounts of resources now, and in the future to maintain a race almost nobody would want is cutting my enjoyment.

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Same could be said about Viera taking away and wasting resources to make, when that time and effort could have been spent on things like updated character creator.
I would enjoy more customization options, Not having more options for the character models that have been around for 6 years is cutting my enjoyment.
Should Viera go away then?

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Originally Posted by Duskane

its not a waste of resources if someone enjoys it.

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Ehh, a "waste of resources" is a call for SE to make. Someone will always enjoy something. There is a such thing as a "missed opportunity" though. Taking something unique and nitch and making it so that people who WOULD like the core concept have to deal with high barriers of inter to play it very much works against the point of going through the effort to add them. Like ... yeah, I've seen Hrothgar wearing 2B outfits before, so I'm sure there's some people who would enjoy playing Females who looked like jacked dudes with boobs. But is pleasing maybe 1-2k people by making the option an aggressive "NO!" from every other person who would play a furry female worth it? Could you imagine how many fewer people would play Male Viera if they had pot-belly dad bod or what Female Viera numbers would look like if they had the fat miqo'te bod?
It's unique to the game, and I'm sure there would be some who like it ... but it would be a missed opportunity to appeal to a much larger number of players and take away the option for more things that more players would like.

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Originally Posted by Senn

Ahh I get what you mean. I was expecting them to be kinda big like female roe. As for the snout thing, they might have smaller or somewhat flatter features since they're female like you said. You're right about them knowing how to make things pretty. They really did prove themselves, so I think people can be a little more optimistic about it.

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Yeah, they know what they're doing. I know I'm a unique player in some respects (outside 3-4 head gears there's nothing these races can't wear that I care about ... and I can stick to a short hairstyle forever so long as it looks good, so I don't even care about the hair stuff) so seeing the body stuff put my mind at ease. They've earned my optimize, and it's clear they know why Femroe and Elezen females are so rare.

Went back and looked at the murals and the first one (with the hrothgar primal) actually shows a bulkier female but the more recent mural with the queen and her servants shows them as being being slightly shorter and slimmer than the roegadyn in the same mural curious what caused nthe change in their depiction perhaps they had begun work on the missing genders by that point and had a better idea of what they wanted to do with hrothgals or it could just be a weird coincidence