Marriage feedback [inofficial Poll]

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Originally Posted by Shougun

Well did your sister say its because of religion why she wont let her daughter play? They could be unrelated features - it makes statistics really shitty lol. "This person killed someone" "they played video games" "games made them violent", yeah they also ate food, slept, and had other real issues preexisting.

:P

Maybe she thinks they are a distraction (/waste of time) or the daughter is too young to be playing with other people.

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She was just afraid that a game would brainwash her daughter to be a lesbian though.

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Originally Posted by Zehira

Like this?
http://images.wikia.com/finalfantasy...cobo_FFXIV.jpg

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This is proof enough that God exists and loves me.

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Originally Posted by Zehira

She was just afraid that a game would brainwash her daughter to be a lesbian though.

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By that loose definition teaching your child is brainwashing :)

I love that word when evaluated at that point.. lol

(Brainwashing in full term is when you 'make' someone believe a certain way (a different way then before), self adoption is not brainwashing)

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Originally Posted by Shougun

By that lose definition teaching your child is brainwashing :)

I love that word when evaluated at that point.. lol

(Brainwashing in full term is when you 'make' someone believe a certain way, self adoption is not brainwashing)

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Ah, my bad. Well, yeah teaching someone a ***** thing is what she was afraid. hehe

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Originally Posted by Gramul

This is proof enough that God exists and loves me.

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I thought so too. lol

oh thanks for bumping again.
the necrophilia is strong in this one.

so what about this:
http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ly4uq3Yenj1qg6bo1.jpg

should there be a kissing animation in the ceremony?

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Originally Posted by Phe

oh thanks for bumping again.
the necrophilia is strong in this one.

so what about this:
http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ly4uq3Yenj1qg6bo1.jpg

should there be a kissing animation in the ceremony?

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yes yes yes yes yes o.o;;;

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Originally Posted by Zehira

She was just afraid that a game would brainwash her daughter to be a lesbian though.

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... but people are naturally born a particular religion? The irony here is delicious.

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Originally Posted by ArkhamNative

... but people are naturally born a particular religion? The irony here is delicious.

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Nah, my family doesn't. I went to church when I was a kid but not anymore for a while.

She just voiced her opinion when I asked since she's not a gamer.

In other words, I have no comment. ^_^

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Originally Posted by Phe

oh thanks for bumping again.
the necrophilia is strong in this one.

so what about this:
http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ly4uq3Yenj1qg6bo1.jpg

should there be a kissing animation in the ceremony?

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if you believe in evolution
http://ircimg.net/hNpC2.jpg

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Originally Posted by Solace

PS: Please don't think I am bashing.
I have gay friends and family that I have total respect for.

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I understand that you don't really mean anything by it, and your point about not wanting marriage in the game at all is fair, but please don't use this to justify yourself. Having loved ones who happen to be LGBT is not a free pass to say whatever you like about the whole community without fear of being called out on it.

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Originally Posted by Solace

I just want to enjoy the game..

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i don't think he has to justify himself at all for saying his opinion in a feedback thread.

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Originally Posted by Phe

i don't think he has to justify himself at all for saying his opinion in a feedback thread.

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I agree. Why would he have to justify himself? He said nothing wrong, or even in the slightest need of justification. All he did was post his opinion about marriage in a video game. Claiming that he would have to justify himself for that makes me say...

http://gearheads.in/attachment.php?a...7&d=1344961821

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Originally Posted by Phe

i don't think he has to justify himself at all for saying his opinion in a feedback thread.

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Originally Posted by SkyeWindbinder

I agree. Why would he have to justify himself? He said nothing wrong, or even in the slightest need of justification. All he did was post his opinion about marriage in a video game. Claiming that he would have to justify himself for that makes me say...

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You both missed the point I was trying to get across. I wasn't saying that he should have to justify his opinion (because it justifies itself, I said right in that paragraph that his point was fair) I was saying that he should never justify his opinion by saying he has LGBT loved ones whether his opinion needs justification or not.

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Originally Posted by Keisuna

You both missed the point I was trying to get across. I wasn't saying that he should have to justify his opinion (because it justifies itself, I said right in that paragraph that his point was fair) I was saying that he should never justify his opinion by saying he has LGBT loved ones whether his opinion needs justification or not.

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I agree with you. That's how it came across.

holy shit this still going on? hahahha god

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Originally Posted by Ryokyu

holy shit this still going on? hahahha god

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I dunno what this thread is all about anymore. It already got enough likes and the dev team didn't listen.

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Originally Posted by Zehira

I dunno what this thread is all about anymore. It already got enough likes and the dev team didn't listen.

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I thought one of the better ideas was that they shouldn't have announced for or against same sex marriage, or even call it "marriage" in-game. Just put it in and don't make a big deal out of it. How do you know they didn't listen to that one? :)

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Originally Posted by Keisuna

I understand that you don't really mean anything by it, and your point about not wanting marriage in the game at all is fair, but please don't use this to justify yourself. Having loved ones who happen to be LGBT is not a free pass to say whatever you like about the whole community without fear of being called out on it.

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This is EXACTLY what I was talking about and reason why this thread should just be removed..
People get all up in arms and try to start burning people at the stake..
Either conform to what they want you to believe or you are a scumbag.
There is no winning with this topic.. I am not posting in it again and seriously. No one else should either.

I take the time to try to say something like a decent person and of course I get my words totally twisted and turned around on me by some hate monger.. Classic..

And then you go on to try to justify yourself.
Maybe you are the one who needs justification.
I don't. Nothing I said requires it..

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Originally Posted by Keisuna

You both missed the point I was trying to get across. I wasn't saying that he should have to justify his opinion (because it justifies itself, I said right in that paragraph that his point was fair) I was saying that he should never justify his opinion by saying he has LGBT loved ones whether his opinion needs justification or not.

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That is not what you said at all but I like how you tried to cover your bashing tracks..
You forgot this part:

"is not a free pass to say whatever you like about the whole community without fear of being called out on it"

Did I say anything I want to say about the community?
You act like I went on some kind of bashing tirade and people LIKED what you said, as if you said something?
Did I insult the community? No.
But you imply I did then go on immediately to justify your little hate speech..
This is the pot calling the kettle black if I ever saw it..

Now I know why so many people avoid this thread.
Of course it has more likes than dislikes.
Only some people are zealot enough, to try to shove their lifestyle down your throat..
You want a same sex marriage game and you want to turn every game you play into some kind of stage for equal rights.. Go make a game then.. Keep FF out of this..
This is NOT your stage and this is NOT your life..
It's a game... You know the difference right?

\Done..

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Originally Posted by ArkhamNative

I thought one of the better ideas was that they shouldn't have announced for or against same sex marriage, or even call it "marriage" in-game. Just put it in and don't make a big deal out of it. How do you know they didn't listen to that one? :)

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Maybe, they didn't realize that announcing an in-game marriage was a bad idea because it already caused Americans who have freedom rights... flaming this thread! Maybe they wanted to leave it alone 1-2 years from now until then if they feel comfortable bringing up a same-sex marriage without being sued by other countries.

Yoshi-P knew Japan and America have homosexual people but not sure about other countries.

Nevertheless, like I give a shit about an "in-game marriage" because you see I am an heterosexual guy who likes to play with my beloved girl but I can't marry another woman!?! lol :p

As I've said before, it really depends on the in-game benefits. In America marriage has legal benefits like a lower tax rate. If there are no benefits besides a ceremony, many players will end up holding their own.

That being said, I'd prefer that same-sex marriage be allowed. It's not like you really noticed marriage all that often in XI. It took place in areas that wouldn't conflict with others' gameplay (such as the mansion at the far end of Southern San d'Oria or the top of the lighthouse in Gustaberg). I actually missed the one wedding I knew about, and never saw any others before the feature was discontinued.

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Originally Posted by Yrusama

As I've said before, it really depends on the in-game benefits. In America marriage has legal benefits like a lower tax rate. If there are no benefits besides a ceremony, many players will end up holding their own.

That being said, I'd prefer that same-sex marriage be allowed. It's not like you really noticed marriage all that often in XI. It took place in areas that wouldn't conflict with others' gameplay (such as the mansion at the far end of Southern San d'Oria or the top of the lighthouse in Gustaberg). I actually missed the one wedding I knew about, and never saw any others before the feature was discontinued.

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And again.. So now we have to have tax rates and what?
I have to file income tax in game every year and wait for my return?
Do I have to tell them how many people in my "IN GAME" hosehold are dependents and how old they are, how many there are?
This is not "real life online"....
If it becomes anything even remotely resembling that, it will fail miserably.
If you want to play "Hello Kitty I got married online and made a family and paid taxes"
Go make your own game..

Hello Solice.

I'm sorry to hear that you had trouble understanding what I wrote. Let me see what I can do to assist you today.

If you take another look at the first sentence of my post again, you'll find that I said that your point about not wanting marriage in game was "fair". I don't know what alternate meaning these words might have for you, but normally it means that while I don't necessarily agree with your opinion, it had merit. So to answer your question:

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Originally Posted by Solace

Did I insult the community? No.

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That's right, you did not.

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Originally Posted by Solace

That is not what you said at all but I like how you tried to cover your bashing tracks..
You forgot this part:

"is not a free pass to say whatever you like about the whole community without fear of being called out on it"

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Correct. Do you happen to recall why I said that? Because you were trying to use your relationships with your LGBT loved ones as evidence that you weren't "bashing" (which you weren't doing... it's a little concerning that I actually feel I have to remind you of this).

The point is that many people who bash the LGBT community (not saying you are, lest you forget that) say that they have gay friends as a way to try to get out of being called on their bashing. Contrary to your implication, having friends and family that are LGBT does not mean you are being fair minded (again, not saying you weren't fair minded, in case you forgot already) when it comes to LGBT issues.

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Originally Posted by Solace

And again.. So now we have to have tax rates and what?
I have to file income tax in game every year and wait for my return?
Do I have to tell them how many people in my "IN GAME" hosehold are dependents and how old they are, how many there are?
This is not "real life online"....
If it becomes anything even remotely resembling that, it will fail miserably.
If you want to play "Hello Kitty I got married online and made a family and paid taxes"
Go make your own game..

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Solace, I don't think you're reading things very carefully. Yrusama was saying that there should be in-game benefits to being married. He only mentioned tax benefits of an example of a benefit to being married in America. He was using a real world example to explain why having some kind of benefit to being married in game (whether it be a ring that teleports you to each other or whatever) would help keep in-game marriages from feeling pointless and out of place.

You really should try to relax.

We already have taxes in game, like GST (not sure what other countries call it but the tax we Australians pay for buying goods and services, like when you buy something from someone's retainer via the market wards interface you have to pay an extra few percent of the price up to 4k per item) and I think there was another one too, but can't remember it off the top of my head. It would be nice if we could get out of paying that if we were married :3

Thanks, Keisuna. You clarified most of my post.

I actually meant that if there are no benefits beyond silly outfits and signed rings with no stats (like the XI marriages), same-sex couples won't miss out on much. They can hold their own ceremony.

I think custom, player-run ceremonies would be more special. Why restrict yourself to certain outfits and locales when you can have your marriage at Mih Khetto's Amphitheater wearing an outfit tailored specifically for you by friends? Your best friend can be the minister and arrange seating. It's arguably a more wonderful experience than any cookie-cutter marriage coordinated by some overworked GM.

As for shared housing... I'm sure everyone at SE has heard of a roommate. Restricting shared housing to married couples doesn't exactly help the immersion factor.

Fictional characters in a game...

plus whos to say that races within the game itself would not go into same sex marriage willingly as part of their culture.

the rules have not been defined and nor should they be, i am all for it if people want to them just let them.

Six month old thread dredged up because... why...? -____0;

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Originally Posted by Fatestorm

Six month old thread dredged up because... why...? -____0;

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Not enough flaming on the forums as of late. We need to bring this topic back up so that people who have no lives can go at each other's throats over nothing some more. lol

I thought this thread got locked haha wow

Here we go again lol

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I am totally fine with same sex marriage, in game, in real life etc. Doesn't bother me a jot.

To allow same sex marriage in the game means it would have to be somehow inserted into the lore of the game. Again, this doesn't bother me.

However, what a lot of people in the English speaking forums fail to realise, is that this game is a world-wide game, which spans many different cultures who are far more sensitive to this idea. The majority of people who read/post in this thread are liberal 'Westerners' (read: Europeans/USA/Canada/Australia etc.), but we do not represent the entire 100% demographic of the playerbase.

My point? Just because a lot of 'us' are fine with the idea, doesn't mean that a lot of 'everyone else' is fine with the idea. We can't impose our cultural beliefs on people on the other-side of the world just because we think they should accept it, in the same we they can't impose their beliefs on us and assume we should readily accept them. Thus, we reach an impasse.

Ultimately, this is a game, and has no real affect on your real life. If you want to be married in real life, i very much support your claims to same-sex marriage. If you want to be married in a virtual world, find one that will let you do so. Real life example: Two of my lady friends were not satisfied with the idea of a 'civil partnership' in the UK, so they flew to New York to get married. That took some real dedication. If you want it that badly, find a virtual platform that will allow it.

I am not trying to suggest that you stop asking for it here, but remember you are not the only culture who exists in this virtual community, and SE are likely going to play it safe for a long time. So don't be disappointed or take it to heart if it doesn't come to fruition any time in the near future.

Pande, I honestly couldn't have said it better myself. Bravo!

The smart thing for Yoshi and Crew to do is simply omit the gender check and not tell anyone.

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Originally Posted by AmandaHuggenkiss

The smart thing for Yoshi and Crew to do is simply omit the gender check and not tell anyone.

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Pfft, as if nobody would notice, lol. I think the real smart thing to do would be to simply not have marriage in the game in the first place. Who needs the drama?

Then again, that's just mho.

I support all kinds of marriage...marriage is about love not gender, etc! I don't know though if SE will ever let us have same sex marriage. The way I see it..it could go either way. Seems like its becoming more and more accepted which is fantastic ^^

I don't believe in "gay pride"; I believe in "love pride". All the drama put around these things seems to say that people have forgotten what it's really about: simple, honest, pure love. What can really be wrong with that..?

As far as the game goes, it makes more sense to stop a roe from marrying a lala for simple safety reasons. Somehow I doubt anyone's really going to get up in arms about that though. But gender, really?

If a same sex couple of players have characters of different genders who get married, does that really hurt anyone? Conversely, if players of different genders made characters of the same gender marry, will that really weaken the moral integrity of the world?

Love Love Love


Adventure awaits! Love, love, love~

I'm amazed "marriage" isn't a banned word on these forums yet.

I think the problem with this poll is that in real life, marriage and homosexuality are both very contested, hot topic issues. There are many countries in this world where homosexuality is illegal believe it or not. Also, since miqo'te are essentially half cat and half girl, would a marriage with them count as beastiality?

I don't wanna turn this into a flame war, but you have to understand that a lot of people will be playing this game from all over the world so it is in Square Enix's best interest to avoid anything that might offend. This includes gay marriage and other things that might seem far from offensive in USA and Japan. Best to keep out the politics, the social ethics, and the drama. No matter how right your stance is, it can still translate to lost customers.

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Originally Posted by jesseleewelch

I think the problem with this poll is that in real life, marriage and homosexuality are both very contested, hot topic issues. There are many countries in this world where homosexuality is illegal believe it or not. Also, since miqo'te are essentially half cat and half girl, would a marriage with them count as beastiality?

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http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o...73128104-1.jpg

We're in the clear.

Back from the grave I see. I still say add it secretly and let it be. Not like the addition of the feature will pop up giant neon signs about same sex unions, only those who try to or purposely looking for it would know.

If they are trying to find it then they deserve to be offended.