Viera and Hrothgar Megathread

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Originally Posted by SherlottaEryut

I agree. Great Lengths is so FFXII viera styled it’s the only one I’m interested in… so far they’ve only shown off short haircuts & it’s making me nervous.

Perhaps they implemented the short hair first because it’s easier, then they’ll progress to the harder ones? Not sure if that’s how it works but that’s where my mind went.

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Maybe? You'd think it would have been harder to get the 2b or Lightning hair to play nice with the ears than Great Lengths though, it's literally just a long side part with no bits, bobs or frills.

The fact that they opened with "we know there have been requests for this and we have started work on it" doesn't bode well though, trying not to be too negative but it's such a random selection of styles and I'd really hate it if that was it.

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Originally Posted by LuciaMirain

Did they say only 6 hairstyles for females? That is not enough. And why those?

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There's a good chance that there's more and the just showed those that are more popular. Sitting out there showing something like 30 already existing haircuts (if they unlocked all of them) would a bit weird.

That said I guess we should be ready for everything so only thing we can do at this point is wait for 6.0 release to check how many hairstyles they de-facto unlocked.

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Originally Posted by Halivel

That said I guess we should be ready for everything

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I'm ready for it, and graphic design is my passion.

https://i.imgur.com/CLzzi3N.jpg

I'm glad viera is getting more hairstyles. I kinda expected them to have all hairstyles available, so I'm glad to hear males won't have any limitations, but I hope female viera will have more hairs than the ones shown, and I hope they expand this so that eventually they have all hairstyles!!

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Originally Posted by Yencat

I'm ready for it, and graphic design is my passion.

https://i.imgur.com/CLzzi3N.jpg

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“Thank you for your patience….we have good news for you! Male viera are perfect. :)”

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Originally Posted by Arazehl

Remember the only reason you're playing Viera is because SE heard it's player base and responded. Viera might not have existed in FFXIV if it were otherwise. They took into consideration the feedback and desire for the race and the players love for Fran. I'm sure the two races were an after thought and pushed through for us.

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I'm not so sure on Hrothgar. Yoshi-P had stated that he wanted a playable beast race as far back as ARR (the models eventually became Lupin). Hrothgar were probably only a matter of time, Viera were definitely added because of players begging for them.

I really hope there is more than just the 6 they showed. Most of the ones they revealed are ugly.

They would be adding more with each patch, apparently. I really hope these 6 arent it at launch.

Scanning for style? Really? *big sigh*

Femvieras own hairstyles already clip with their ears and shoulders so what adjustments are really needed with the plait or great lengths?

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Originally Posted by Yencat

I'm ready for it, and graphic design is my passion.

https://i.imgur.com/CLzzi3N.jpg

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Female viera walked so male viera could run baby!

I hope theres more or that others come out by patch... I get 2B and lightning being popular requests, but 9s and the old gold saucer hair? Over the cash shop cuts, the gyr abanian plait, or even the pineapple ponytail??? :confused:

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Originally Posted by BunniEclair

“Thank you for your patience….we have good news for you! Male viera are perfect. :)”

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You inspired me again.

https://i.imgur.com/4WtQmKJ.jpg

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Originally Posted by LuciaMirain

They would be adding more with each patch, apparently.

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Hmm, where have we heard this before.. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by LuciaMirain

Did they say only 6 hairstyles for females? That is not enough. And why those?

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….please tell me you’re not serious. Sorry, I feel like such a brat but ‘only 6’ ?

They need to get rid of puffy hairstyles!

Just because they only showed six hairstyles doesn't mean they're only making six. They don't show us every iteration of every gearset either.

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Originally Posted by Yencat

It does, I just thought if they added this one they'd remove the hairband entirely.

It appears to only be gone on top where the ears are but magically still there on the sides, but it could just be the image/angle.

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Having looked at the picture now, it seems to me that the headband is removed but the shadow of the headband is still there. You can see hair texture inside the outline of it.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...6_13-46-11.jpg

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Originally Posted by Yencat

You inspired me again.

https://i.imgur.com/4WtQmKJ.jpg



Hmm, where have we heard this before.. :rolleyes:

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Yeah, I know. Ive lost trust in that they will actually do it. We will probably get 10 more umbrellas before we get 10 more hairstyles. It is ok, it is only an incentive to run content anyway, amirite?

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Originally Posted by Iscah

Having looked at the picture now, it seems to me that the headband is removed but the shadow of the headband is still there. You can see hair texture inside the outline of it.

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It's a bit difficult to see, but it would be so weird if they left any trace of it on the sides and only removed it on top so that makes sense.

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Originally Posted by LuciaMirain

Yeah, I know. Ive lost trust in that they will actually do it. We will probably get 10 more umbrellas before we get 10 more hairstyles. It is ok, it is only an incentive to run content anyway, amirite?

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All jokes aside, they did say "let's show you a few" implying there's more and these are just examples, so hopefully there's a good amount and variety of them at launch.

But I'm not getting my hopes up too high just yet. :o

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Originally Posted by Iscah

Just because they only showed six hairstyles doesn't mean they're only making six. They don't show us every iteration of every gearset either.




Having looked at the picture now, it seems to me that the headband is removed but the shadow of the headband is still there. You can see hair texture inside the outline of it.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...6_13-46-11.jpg

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Idk, I’ve just learned to take them at face value. I’m not spending another expansion hopeful they’ll add more in coming patches, only to be disappointed again. The last time we collectively went “oh it’s okay :) surely this isn’t all, it’s just what they had ready at the time” we didn’t see anything at all for years.

While he did say “here is a few” it was definitely stressed that they are still having issues with the models. I was cautiously optimistic before, but idk now. I am happy we got a couple I like, like 2B. I don’t mind headband clipping at all.

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Originally Posted by Arazehl

Remember the only reason you're playing Viera is because SE heard it's player base and responded. Viera might not have existed in FFXIV if it were otherwise. They took into consideration the feedback and desire for the race and the players love for Fran. I'm sure the two races were an after thought and pushed through for us.

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I'm not sure if it looked like I was complaining or something? My choice of words for "learned" was more of "learned from the rocky development of both races which led to a rough release with all the limitations we still have", not... "learned from the player blowback"? Like Zanarkand-Ronso said (and I agree), it's likely because they had more development time and were focusing on ONE playable model (Male Viera) instead of rushing to make two somewhat playable models.

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Originally Posted by WhiteArchmage

I'm not sure if it looked like I was complaining or something? My choice of words for "learned" was more of "learned from the rocky development of both races which led to a rough release with all the limitations we still have", not... "learned from the player blowback"? Like Zanarkand-Ronso said (and I agree), it's likely because they had more development time and were focusing on ONE playable model (Male Viera) instead of rushing to make two somewhat playable models.

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Perhaps they read wrong.

On another note, IMO it does suck that female viera don't get the same treatment, then again male viera didn't even exist for the last 2 years and we didn't even know if they'd ever exist. Though, were it the other way around I'd certainly be a bit salty about the hair situation.

I'm curious, if YoshiP announced that Viera was going to be released for ShadowBringers, but they needed an expansion's worth of time to revamp the hairstyle system for them - would people have waited the extra 2 years and not had any new race in Shadowbringers for a complete race (hair, but perhaps no hats yet) in Endwalker ?

For me, a 4 year wait for a complete race is worth it.

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Originally Posted by SherlottaEryut

….please tell me you’re not serious. Sorry, I feel like such a brat but ‘only 6’ ?

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Considering how many hairstyles that other races start with and all that have been added, then yes. Six is very little. It has been two years where they havent added a single one. They couldve added once a month and we still wouldnt have as many hairstyles as the other races.

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Originally Posted by Yencat

It's a bit difficult to see, but it would be so weird if they left any trace of it on the sides and only removed it on top so that makes sense.



All jokes aside, they did say "let's show you a few" implying there's more and these are just examples, so hopefully there's a good amount and variety of them at launch.

But I'm not getting my hopes up too high just yet. :o

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hey I really hope you are right. If they said "lets show you a few" that is really hopeful.

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Originally Posted by VirusOnline

Perhaps they read wrong.

On another note, IMO it does suck that female viera don't get the same treatment, then again male viera didn't even exist for the last 2 years and we didn't even know if they'd ever exist. Though, were it the other way around I'd certainly be a bit salty about the hair situation.

I'm curious, if YoshiP announced that Viera was going to be released for ShadowBringers, but they needed an expansion's worth of time to revamp the hairstyle system for them - would people have waited the extra 2 years and not had any new race in Shadowbringers for a complete race (hair, but perhaps no hats yet) in Endwalker ?

For me, a 4 year wait for a complete race is worth it.

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I wouldve been fine waiting. I love my viera but it is a bit meh in the long run when content is being released with hairstyles as an incentive to run it and then you cant use them. And before anyone says to just fantasia, I have.....multiple times. But I love my character.

Hrothgar having new hairstyles by 6.1 is nice to hear, although I wonder if it will still be tied to the face? I'd rather not use a Fantasia to change hairstyles as a Hrothgar.

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Originally Posted by myahele

Hrothgar having new hairstyles by 6.1 is nice to hear, although I wonder if it will still be tied to the face? I'd rather not use a Fantasia to change hairstyles as a Hrothgar.

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They already said that it will be multiple hairstyles for each face, but I don't know if that's just the existing hairstyles or more of the normal ones. Either way they'll add more in upcoming patches.

I hope the six shown are not the only ones for Viera, I'm assuming the rest will become available with time as well now that they said Male Viera were built to include most/all hairstyles. That means female hrothgar will be built in the same way thankfully. Curious to see what they do in 6.1 with male Hrothgar hairstyles tied to faces.

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Originally Posted by LuciaMirain

hey I really hope you are right. If they said "lets show you a few" that is really hopeful.

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I seriously have my doubts still, it's just the most generous interpretation of what was said.

I'm going in expecting only the ones they showed, and if there's more I'll be pleasantly surprised.

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Originally Posted by Starshower

They already said that it will be multiple hairstyles for each face, but I don't know if that's just the existing hairstyles or more of the normal ones. Either way they'll add more in upcoming patches.

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Yes, but that still doesn't answer the question of "Will Hrothgar have to continue to pay 10$ to do something literally everyone else can do for free?"

Im sure it wont because that would be asinine, but only time will tell

The LL digest has been posted for anyone that hadn't seen the video yet, bumping to add the relevant bits regarding this topic here.

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New hairstyles for Viera will be added in Patch 6.0.

We’d previously announced we’d be unable to add more hairstyles for Viera and Hrothgar as they are designed in a special way compared to other races. However, we saw an extreme number of requests from across the globe, so the development team set out to rework the system and finally made it possible to add more hairstyles after almost two years.

Hrothgar are even more complicated than Viera and will require more time, so their hairstyles will be added in Patch 6.1.

We showed off the new hairstyles for Viera, which you can view in the video.

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No specifics on if it's more than the 6 hairstyles they showed, by the way it's written it sounds like it's not? But we'll find out in 2 weeks, or what the changes to Hrothgar will be beyond adding more hair.


https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...=1#post5709664

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Originally Posted by Akimori

Yes, but that still doesn't answer the question of "Will Hrothgar have to continue to pay 10$ to do something literally everyone else can do for free?"

Im sure it wont because that would be asinine, but only time will tell

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IIRC I got the impression from the media Tour interviews that it was a solution to the payment thing.
Wait, rewatched the vid I'm referring to.
He doesn't out right say what exactly it means, but "right now you have 1 face and maybe 1 type of hairstyle. Looking into examining ways to have 1 face and maybe several types of hairstyles for that 1 face" sounds like "No longer having to pay like some pay piggy" to me, unless they're gonna make Hrothgar have several more "heads" just to change hair like they already have.

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Originally Posted by reivaxe

IIRC I got the impression from the media Tour interviews that it was a solution to the payment thing.
Wait, rewatched the vid I'm referring to.
He doesn't out right say what exactly it means, but "right now you have 1 face and maybe 1 type of hairstyle. Looking into examining ways to have 1 face and maybe several types of hairstyles for that 1 face" sounds like "No longer having to pay like some pay piggy" to me, unless they're gonna make Hrothgar have several more "heads" just to change hair like they already have.

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Listening, to that video, it sounds exactly like that to me as well. I really want to know the technical limitation that they imposed on Hrothgar that is making it difficult for them to expand their customization without having to outright shell out real money.

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Originally Posted by Akimori

Listening, to that video, it sounds exactly like that to me as well. I really want to know the technical limitation that they imposed on Hrothgar that is making it difficult for them to expand their customization without having to outright shell out real money.

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From my understanding (just as an observer), the character creator runs on a rigid template and they've applied it in creative ways to get their idea for Hrothgar to work. Normally you have choice of hairstyle and then the hair colour and highlights palettes; for Hrothgar they wanted the customisable fur patterns and so they set it up with each fur pattern as a "hairstyle" with the same shape but different highlights. But that leaves no space for the actual hairstyle choice, which it why they integrated it into the face choice instead. It's just not an ideal situation that faces can't be changed freely.

Under the current system they can't just "add an extra setting" to allow hairstyle choice. To add it in, something else has to be taken out, and this would result in some kind of existing customisation choice to be taken away from players.

So from my armchair developer perspective, my best guesses at solutions would be:

1. Just add more hair/face combinations to the existing face menu.

2. Add more combinations and allow the aesthetician to change faces, possibly while still locking the finer detail editing behind Fantasias.

3. Overhaul the existing options and tie hairstyle to fur pattern rather than face. Some players would be forced to redesign their existing character as their current combination would no longer exist. Every Hrothgar NPC needs to be reassessed and updated for the new setting choices.

Prepare for disappointment. Only 6 hairstyles for femvieras were added. And 9s is one of them.

Yep only 6 hairstyles and the 2B bob looks bad......like....ooof.

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Originally Posted by LuciaMirain

Yep only 6 hairstyles and the 2B bob looks bad......like....ooof.

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https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images...GK_400x400.jpg

Wonder how it's looking for male Viera.

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Originally Posted by LuciaMirain

Prepare for disappointment. Only 6 hairstyles for femvieras were added. And 9s is one of them.

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https://c.tenor.com/50CyoO7QwGsAAAAC/oh-no-no-no-no.gif

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Originally Posted by Yencat

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images...GK_400x400.jpg

Wonder how it's looking for male Viera.

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males get about 4 extra hairstyles, im crying https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/...Untitled-1.jpg

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Originally Posted by Fukuro

males get about 4 extra hairstyles, im crying https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/...Untitled-1.jpg

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Yeah, but they got those 4 on launch.

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Originally Posted by Fukuro

males get about 4 extra hairstyles, im crying https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/...Untitled-1.jpg

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Okay, that makes me feel a little better.

Not because I think it's a good thing but because I don't own enough make-up to mask the shade of green I'd turn from envy if you guys got everything. :p

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Originally Posted by Fukuro

males get about 4 extra hairstyles, im crying https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/...Untitled-1.jpg

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What styles we get? Im stuck in hellqueue loop :')

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Originally Posted by Rokke

What styles we get? Im stuck in hellqueue loop :')

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https://imgur.com/a/n4uHbSG