Dark Knight Megathread

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Originally Posted by Reinhardt_Azureheim

Stormblood Blood Price gave MP and Blood per individual hit, namely 1/20th of a Dark Arts worth of MP and 1 Blood per hit, with an additional 4 Blood per server tick (20 max unless extended). It was also locked behind Grit being up.

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I'm pretty sure that was still significantly better for DAAD trash spamming, barring a White Mage screwing you over with Holy, which was the full scenario being discussed. Blood Weapon, as I recall, was still only physical damage at the time so only Quietus would help there which still meant you weren't spamming DAAD as much.

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Originally Posted by Hatfright

RIP Plunge, I will miss you and the sound you made.
That dash doesn't even look like dash. We're teleporting now. Ugh.

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I did not have "DRK learns to wavedash" on my bingo card

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Originally Posted by MagiusNecros

I miss the 15 seconds of God Mode when Blood Price and Abyssal Drain were a thing.

When it comes to Yoshida he always says one thing and does another. He talks the talk but doesn't walk the walk.

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You know for a moment I thought it'd be a bit unbalanaced to bring back.

But who am I kidding, WAR has effective dungeon invuln every 25 seconds. Too bad DRK playing exactly like WAR doesn't mean it gets to do anything better than WAR.

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Originally Posted by EusisLandale

I'm pretty sure that was still significantly better for DAAD trash spamming, barring a White Mage screwing you over with Holy, which was the full scenario being discussed. Blood Weapon, as I recall, was still only physical damage at the time so only Quietus would help there which still meant you weren't spamming DAAD as much.

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It's not like you needed all that DAAD with the Rampart, Shadow Wall and TBN sprinkled in. TBN also lead to more frequent Quietus usage, which in itself lead to more MP for more DA and AD usage. And you could also expend the 50 Blood to reimburse the TBN cost in MP and extend Bloodweapon.

You gained way more MP with Bloodweapon and TBN -> Quietus than you ever did with StB Bloodprice. Again, it only gave you 120mp per hit taken out of 2400 for Dark Arts and around 1000 for Abyssal Drain. To put this into perspective, you needed around 20 mobs actively hitting you to get 2400mp every 3s, while one use of Quietus or BW-Quietus would cap or overcap your MP with around 6-8 mobs (the largest pull was around 10 or more in Ghimlyt Dark), because each enemy hit by any physical hit gave 480mp and 3 Blood.

Auto attacks with Bloodweapon as well as Plunge, + Carve and Spit triggered the MP regen, which all also gave you plenty more Blood, meaning more Quietus, meaning more MP, meaning more DAAD and TBN. I.e., the resource cycle.

Ignoring all of this, also meant no damage penalty from Grit and the Bloodweapon Haste affected Spells (Abyssal Drain).

They should take the particle effects, and potency from Bloodspiller, and the animation, and mechanics of Plunge, and replace Bloodspiller with this hybrid GCD.

Man, DRK mitigation is so bad, it’s been such a long time since I’ve picked up the job and I’ve forgotten just how fragile it is the moment TBN is not a factor.
Like at least bring back Shadowskin, or Sole survivor, just anything. PLD got Bulwark back, and WAR is absolutely ridiculous when it comes to healing. Surely DRK can get something.

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Originally Posted by CasterSvarog

Man, DRK mitigation is so bad, it’s been such a long time since I’ve picked up the job and I’ve forgotten just how fragile it is the moment TBN is not a factor.
Like at least bring back Shadowskin, or Sole survivor, just anything. PLD got Bulwark back, and WAR is absolutely ridiculous when it comes to healing. Surely DRK can get something.

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DRK has Dark Mind. In the context of where it matters it is extremely strong (Raids essentially) as long as there are moments of impactful magic damage, due to the low cooldown.

The main thing I could see is Dark Mind getting an additional 10% physical mitigation to have closer functional parity to Camouflage and a rework to Abyssal Drain (decoupling it from Carve, making the first target worth 800 heal potency, 2nd 400 heal potency and rest 200p) to slightly assist with sustain without going overboard.

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Originally Posted by Reinhardt_Azureheim

DRK has Dark Mind. In the context of where it matters it is extremely strong (Raids essentially) as long as there are moments of impactful magic damage, due to the low cooldown.

The main thing I could see is Dark Mind getting an additional 10% physical mitigation to have closer functional parity to Camouflage and a rework to Abyssal Drain (decoupling it from Carve, making the first target worth 800 heal potency, 2nd 400 heal potency and rest 200p) to slightly assist with sustain without going overboard.

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I think this is really all DRK needs or add a life steal effect after CS or AD

what they should do tho is move Dark missionary to lvl 66 and just merge the two blackblood traits for lvl 62

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Originally Posted by Duskane

I think this is really all DRK needs or add a life steal effect after CS or AD

what they should do tho is move Dark missionary to lvl 66 and just merge the two blackblood traits for lvl 62

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Yeah pretty much. Also while I get the reasoning for Missionary (parity with other tanks) the Lv70 ultimates are to my knowledge and experience as DRK not too intense where not having it is a genuine detriment. DRK also makes dealing with busters significantly easier and can, unlike WAR, dish out targetted mitigation, but at this point the point of comparison is probably rather Gunbreaker which has... everything for some reason.

...of course if they readjust damage/HP values with a semi-rework this would definitely be a whole different story.

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Originally Posted by Reinhardt_Azureheim

DRK has Dark Mind. In the context of where it matters it is extremely strong (Raids essentially) as long as there are moments of impactful magic damage, due to the low cooldown.

The main thing I could see is Dark Mind getting an additional 10% physical mitigation to have closer functional parity to Camouflage and a rework to Abyssal Drain (decoupling it from Carve, making the first target worth 800 heal potency, 2nd 400 heal potency and rest 200p) to slightly assist with sustain without going overboard.

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I wouldn’t mind something that at all, when Dark Mind is good it’s really good, but in so many situations (like 90% of dungeons)! it’s a dead button because everyone’s gone to the school of the right hook.
Plus it calls back to older abilities like Dark dance