How does SE justify these ten min enrages, but doesnt let anyone know their dps

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Originally Posted by akaneakki

Started around 04 early 05 and ended it around 08. so 3-4 years. I loved ToAU, was really good, specially odin wandering around! haha. Anyways, I think you might be ''wrong'' on this one. I see where you come from since we both been playing it, right? Now, the thing about the game (your statement) is that it's all about parsing and parsing and numbers.

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Sorry, I really think you're missing my point. I'm saying that the community is rotting and parsers are swiftly moving this along by making heroes and villains out of people faster than ever before. This kind of repetitive confrontational behaviour is leading to self-destruction of the community, which in turn is leading to the kind of community where kicks, shaming, and racism are the norm. I'm just saying what I see. The problem never used to be this bad. I outlined the racist comments as a symptom of a sick community that I see getting worse everyday - for this, I partially blame parsers.

Parsers are not the only cause of kicks and I never said that, they are simply a cause, a cause that is expanding its use quickly. Almost every run, I know someone's parsing. Players don't know they're being parsed. Players don't even know FFLogs exist. If you had something like this in real life it wouldn't be allowed. Comparison: You're in an office. One colleague, one day, takes information about your job performance, and without your consent or knowledge, makes 500 copies and gives it to all of your colleagues to look at. And you can't do anything about it.

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Originally Posted by Greedalox

Playing FFXI from Zilart, I saw a lot of groups break apart/reform without underperforming members/kick members flat out over many many many years. XI was not devoid of this mentality that you say plagues XIV but not XI.

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As I said, but I'll restate it anyway, I'm not saying parsers are the cause, they are a cause of an increasingly volatile community. Yeah, dicks will be dicks and FF14 has always had dicks, but the dick-rate is going up fast, and the popularity of parsers increasing with the dick-rate are matching trends that I can't personally ignore. If course it happened in FF11 in its own way, but nowhere near the extent I see it now.

Boss isn't pressing 123 towards a stationary doll for 3 minutes, it's about maintaining the rotation, while doing the mechanics and minimizing idle time. If, god forbid, theoretically, which I officially don't, I would use the 3rd party software, I would see that my 30 hours of wiping on the O3S were due to people dropping dps from 4k to ZERO while running away in PANIC on animals, tethers, dark tokens etc. SSS dummy can't show nothing but how many crits and DHs you were LUCKY to obtain within the 3 minute duration, not even taking into account that people balance their rotation to fit into exactly 3 minutes and some even bring their Chocobos with them to gain extra 250 dps. It only helps you to learn the opener and press your buttons while not looking at the hotbar, which frankly, is an issue to some folks in discord. Check this filthy, toxic, german, ugly webform that shows how much dps you need to kill the dummy with your job http://ffxiv.2digitalgames.de/

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Originally Posted by Neriell

I would see that my 30 hours of wiping on the O3S were due to people dropping dps from 4k to ZERO while running away in PANIC on animals, tethers, dark tokens etc.

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And without a parser, you can understand that you wiping is because people run away in PANIC on every mechanic.

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

And without a parser, you can understand that you wiping is because people run away in PANIC on every mechanic.

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The point is they don't die. They lose dps and we wipe due to enrage timer. This forum allows 1000 characters for a single post, I had to downgrade mine from 1950 to 1000 characters and it's lost the charm. My best attempt before the kill was 0.5% and my worst was 12%. Can you tell who's dragging the team on 12%? Everyone. But most wipes occure between 3 and 6% w/o people dying and you have to find the carried guy. PF always ends with disband and you switch the group if he's not found and wipes go on. He can do the mechanics, he doesn't die, he just can't deal damage while doing that. That's partly a game fault cause there isn't a decent end game dps tutorial, and people press 123123 like they did in dungeons w/o even realising it's wrong and trying their best. Still. Enrage.

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Originally Posted by Neriell

This forum allows 1000 characters for a single post, I had to downgrade mine from 1950 to 1000 characters and it's lost the charm.

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You can edit your post to bypass that (unless you're on a phone, I think)

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Originally Posted by Neriell

The point is they don't die. They lose dps and we wipe due to enrage timer.

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They don't need to die. If you see everybody run away from a player-targeted AoE, you can suggest that only the person targeted should move away. Or, like someone above said, if you need to spread, suggesting that ranged DPS move further so that close ranged DPS can stay on the boss.

Well to be honest if your enraging chances are your not doing enough dps so do some reserch make sure your rotation is optamised you don't need a parser for that and if your still enraging then hey here a thought get better gear or change up your party comp parsers can only tell you so much ultamitly it's time effort and practice

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

They don't need to die. If you see everybody run away from a player-targeted AoE, you can suggest that only the person targeted should move away. Or, like someone above said, if you need to spread, suggesting that ranged DPS move further so that close ranged DPS can stay on the boss.

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My favourite is people who are so focused on doing mechanics that they forget to DPS for 5-10 seconds at a time when all that was needed was to run back after a knockback or something.

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Originally Posted by RubyCirha

Well to be honest if your enraging chances are your not doing enough dps so do some reserch make sure your rotation is optamised you don't need a parser for that and if your still enraging then hey here a thought get better gear or change up your party comp parsers can only tell you so much ultamitly it's time effort and practice

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But without a parser, you have no way of knowing if it's even you who should be doing research, or if it's someone else entirely...

Similarly, you can get a win and be actually doing way less than you should, having the others carry you through.

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Originally Posted by Skogli

Jesus christ! The amount of gangbang happening on this poor guy says more about the parser community then a million words ever would xD

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He is the only one who was calling anyone "toxic bad-breaths" in this thread; the majority of this thread is actually a very civilized discussion between both sides with absolutely no insults being thrown around--something that is incredibly hard to come by these days.

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Originally Posted by LunaFaye

Isn't the parser community. Its the forum community, arguing just for the sake of arguing, because one of their streamers/guides doesn't approve/mentioning it. You can say things like the sky is blue, common sense right, well no it will lead to a 5500 page discussion about how the sky is purple, and how bad you're for even saying it's blue. It's pointless to even have parser/non parser discussions, or any discussions in general, because at the end it's always the same. You don't agree with somebody, all hell breaks loose.

Worse when then these players get post likes, thinking they are right, even so they don't see that they are not. For me it just shows that not only the other person is wrong, even 70+ people believe the same thing, still doesn't make it right tho lol.

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Some of us actually aren't arguing just for the sake of arguing. I was asking questions towards certain "anti-parser" posters, but never really got any straight answers for most of them. I'm actually trying to understand why some people are so against parsers and other people using parsers (who they will probably never actually meet the entirety of the "pro-parser" community in-game considering the amount of players out there), while also trying to get them to at least understand (note I said understand, not agree) that parsers are not the bad guy here.

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Originally Posted by Laurawrzz

As I said, but I'll restate it anyway, I'm not saying parsers are the cause, they are a cause of an increasingly volatile community. Yeah, dicks will be dicks and FF14 has always had dicks, but the dick-rate is going up fast, and the popularity of parsers increasing with the dick-rate are matching trends that I can't personally ignore. If course it happened in FF11 in its own way, but nowhere near the extent I see it now.

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Ok, now I get you! Sorry for that. However, I disagree with you. I get you but I really do disagree with you. There is more bad seeds who doesn't use parser, way more. I might be wrong, but I get the feeling you mean that parser just adds more bad seeds on the game, which wont happen and there is serval reason for that, well for what I believe.

1: Parser will allow people to see their own and other peoples performance, the most importent one is their own. There is far too many players who are really bad blaming it on others, which is ironic as hell. Example MNK said DRG dps was bad in susano last night but the DRG was 300 dps above him, so yeah... If he ran a parser he wouldn't talk out of the wrong hole in the first place.

2: The ''dick'' rate you talk about always goes up. no matter what. I telll you what, I've seen players getting worse or even just more toxic because players who tries to play well get spit on. Example: I was in expert as WHM, kept the tank alive but I asked him to use cds on big pulls, which he NEVER DID. His friend said I should heal more and I should stop sucking, yet the BLM was doing 700 dps lower than me, so again I got kicked for this. Another example is that a DPS ripped the tanks aggro in a boss in the roulette and the tank called him elitist and tryhard for ripping his aggro, he tried to vote kick him but we kicked the tank instead for being shit. So again, this is getting really stupid. I find WAY MORE of these players and belive it or not, they talk so offensive in so many ways too, yet people ignore that. You know what's extremely funny? If a parser was actually a thing in the game, people would probably still keep their mouth shut, because it causes people to report them if they start harrasing. However those who wouldn't use it would still talk shit towards others and I'm not saying you are defending them but others in here do.

Picture of the convo that day:
http://i.imgur.com/7AVOBla.png Tank never died even when he used no cooldowns and they tell me to learn how to heal? So, his friend is a bad tank and he tells me how to play? The BLM coulnd't even kill his own add in the first boss in kugan castle lol.

I could go all day with pictures like this, I find them funny in many ways because this is just proof of how people truely are in this game. I bet 100 bucks that you will get more screenshots of players like this than players who harras others for doing super bad dps, as in name calling them etc. Whats your input on this?