Speech Bubbles - Thoughts?

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I have to state a lot of MMO's before WoW and FFXI were 2d and the text bubbles in them were easier to read in a 3d world such as FFXIV. It would be a clutter, but those reasons and examples are better than some. For example saying look at vagrant story it did text bubbles very well and it is a SE game do it like Vagrant Story.... Major flaw with that logic... It was a single player game you as the player only have to pay attention to the single person talking to YOU, in an MMO you will have people talking to you, and to OTHER PEOPLE! Text bubbles are easier to understand and can look pretty in a single player game because it is directed at a SINGLE reader, they can make the bubbles lavish and everything, but to compare a Single player usage to a MMO usage is not the best of examples.

Sometimes I lose hope coming to these forums. People seem to hate any idea of change, progress or evolution and want to stick playing their 10-20 year old games in newer graphics. :(

I after playing PSU online i hate chat bubbles it hard to tell who's talking and u have constantly turn the cam to see who is talking. Thank God they said NO.

IMPLIMENT SPEACH BUBBLES OR DIE SE!

again I must state what is with the chat bubble populace wanting to kill people? its not a very good way to get what you are asking for I think that is like 3+ just in this topic alone that have said people who don't want or implement chat bubbles should die....

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Originally Posted by Xmbei

I have to state a lot of MMO's before WoW and FFXI were 2d and the text bubbles in them were easier to read in a 3d world such as FFXIV. It would be a clutter, but those reasons and examples are better than some. For example saying look at vagrant story it did text bubbles very well and it is a SE game do it like Vagrant Story.... Major flaw with that logic... It was a single player game you as the player only have to pay attention to the single person talking to YOU, in an MMO you will have people talking to you, and to OTHER PEOPLE! Text bubbles are easier to understand and can look pretty in a single player game because it is directed at a SINGLE reader, they can make the bubbles lavish and everything, but to compare a Single player usage to a MMO usage is not the best of examples.

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actually, the argument is: bubbles too cartooney? => no, have you played vagrant story?

regarding bubbles working in mmorpgs, take a look at PSO.

Yes I have played vagrant story, It fits the art theme of the game, and also its a single player game not a MMO. As to PSO some of have stated why we don't like it, it is to hard to follow in chat format.

If you can make sure the actual speech bubbles fit the game (don't look out of place) and can be turned on and off =D Then It would be awesome!!

I don't see why people would say no... if they can just turn it off...

Gawd, no. Please no. No, no, no, no, no.
I guess I wouldn't care if there was an option to turn them off, but this is one of the last things that needs to be focused on.

Don't be such haters people. YOU CAN TURN IT OFF. Why you keep telling people to go away if they don't like it? You know there are not so many left...

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Originally Posted by Majidah

Have you played vagrant story, a SE rpg with the same lead artist as XIV?

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Actually, I have. I enjoyed the game very much so. I see your point, but a game deciding on the what text to show me is different then it popping everywhere from random people talking. Doesn't matter if you can turn them on or off, the chatlog still works the best.

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Originally Posted by Zaran_Akikaze

Actually, I have. I enjoyed the game very much so. I see your point, but a game deciding on the what text to show me is different then it popping everywhere from random people talking. Doesn't matter if you can turn them on or off, the chatlog still works the best.

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Chat bubble menu:

Tell Chat Bubble: ON/OFF
Say Chat Bubbe: ON/OFF
Linkshell Chat Bubble: ON/OFF
Party Chat Bubble: ON/OFF
Shout Chat bubble: ON/OFF


Problem fixed. RP'rs are happy, new players are happy... You are happy... I am happy... No spam, no lag no screen clutter. Why do you got to hate a feature you never have to see. It will be there for those who want it, and there are plenty of those.

I suppose that wouldn't be unreasonable. Probably other things SE should fix first, but yeah.

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Originally Posted by Bayohne

We heard back regarding the possibility of implementing speech bubbles as a chat tool. The team let us know that there are no plans to use speech bubbles in the game, but that they are working to improve the chat windows, and chat system, so if you have any feedback I'd be happy to pass it along. (I don't think this thread works for those kind of suggestions, so perhaps a new one?)

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not sure if you guys know this or not so I'm reposting it.

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Originally Posted by BloodLotus

not sure if you guys know this or not so I'm reposting it.

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we read.
but honestly, if the wards got visible prices, get enough people talking about bubbles for enough time, and we'll get them. just need to prevail.

no plans doesn't mean we are highly against them.

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Originally Posted by Majidah

we read.
but honestly, if the wards got visible prices, get enough people talking about bubbles for enough time, and we'll get them. just need to prevail.

no plans doesn't mean we are highly against them.

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The majority will prevail.

The majority don't want them.

Do you guys not notice that the moderator has already said that devs shot down this idea? why is this conversation still going on when we can be talking about something else?

That's what I said. In a different way.

The simple underlying point isn't whether or not you can turn them off. The ability to turn them on or off does not elevate chat bubbles to the level of worthwhile endeavour. The dev teams are already buried up to their eyeballs in projects to deal with. So many projects in fact that you still can't do something as fundamental as removing someone from your LS without them standing right in front of you. One need only look at the sorry state of LS management functions available to see that there are important pressing things that remain untouched, never mind ridiculous fringe things.

If two years from now when this game is rounded a small group of radicals known as the Chat Bubblists are still rattling their sabers about the horrible existence they suffer not having chat bubbles then SE can go ahead and implement them with a toggle and I'll toggle that garbage off and leave it off where it belongs and the chat bubblists can RP as people talking to each other with chat bubbles or whatever the hell chat bubble people do. But now is not the time to be icing a cake that's not even fully cooled or baked for that matter.

actually that just clicked in my head playing in my head haha so thats what the (()) are damn player made chat bubbles... my only statement to that TALK NORMALLY IN SAY OR SHOUT AND KEEP YOUR RPING IN PARTY OR LS... I dont fully mind say rper's I actually semi enjoy it as well but I HATE (()) say rper's it is rather annoying... You can still rp and say what you want with out them...

edit: I guess I might say a good majority of people I know on besaid are quite a bit aggrivated by (()) rper's. Some of us are even RPer's and we wonder why do you have to speak in (()) its a waste and even in the chat window just detracting...

good rper: /s Good day sir! How is it that I may help you? "..." Ah you need that armor repaired I will get right on that and have it fixed for you in a jiffy!

Bad annoying rper: /em (("Good day sir! Why yes I can do that for you!" Tehehe pokes <t>))

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Originally Posted by Xmbei

actually that just clicked in my head playing in my head haha so thats what the (()) are damn player made chat bubbles... my only statement to that TALK NORMALLY IN SAY OR SHOUT AND KEEP YOUR RPING IN PARTY OR LS... I dont fully mind say rper's I actually semi enjoy it as well but I HATE (()) say rper's it is rather annoying... You can still rp and say what you want with out them...

edit: I guess I might say a good majority of people I know on besaid are quite a bit aggrivated by (()) rper's. Some of us are even RPer's and we wonder why do you have to speak in (()) its a waste and even in the chat window just detracting...

good rper: /s Good day sir! How is it that I may help you? "..." Ah you need that armor repaired I will get right on that and have it fixed for you in a jiffy!

Bad annoying rper: /em (("Good day sir! Why yes I can do that for you!" Tehehe pokes <t>))

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(())'s have nothing to do with chat bubbles. They're simply an out-of-character indicator.

ah well the ones I have seen using it still talk as if they are in character. From the ones I have seen. Also just doing it in shout like Eliza Joran does.... is the leading cause of annoyance...

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Originally Posted by Mack

Do you guys not notice that the moderator has already said that devs shot down this idea? why is this conversation still going on when we can be talking about something else?

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For the same reason Xmbei won't stop rambling on about how annoying roleplayers are in a thread has nothing to do with roleplaying.

We want to talk about it. Because the developers did not 'shoot down the idea', or categorically deny it. They said they were not considering it at this time.

Sure that's developer talk for 'probably never' but that doesn't mean nobody should be allowed to talk about it, or even sit on the faint hope someone'll reconsider. Honestly if it's so annoying seeing us natter on, why not wander off to another thread?

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Originally Posted by Fensfield

For the same reason you won't stop bawling about how annoying roleplayers are in a thread has nothing to do with roleplaying.

We want to talk about it.

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Wrong I said some roleplayer's are annoying not all. Also It has everything to do with Roleplayer's in this thread because it is Roleplayer's in the majority that want the chat bubbles... read whole thread before you make a comment about that maybe you missed that part on which it was stated

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Originally Posted by Xmbei

Wrong I said some roleplayer's are annoying not all. Also It has everything to do with Roleplayer's in this thread because it is Roleplayer's in the majority that want the chat bubbles... read whole thread before you make a comment about that maybe you missed that part on which it was stated

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Yeah yeah I edited that to be a bit less abrasive above but..

And sure, some people would prefer it for roleplay purposes, but so far as I'm conserned the roleplay angle's a lucky side effect and has very little to do with the topic at hand. I've held preference for them since long before I took up roleplay and I put zero weight in their necessity for it. They just make it a damn sight easier to see who the hell is talking and have the side benefit of making the world look a bit less dead.

And the whole thread? Seriously? It's fifteen pages long, you think I really have that sort of time? Either you have an awful lot of time on your hands or you're just like me and most others - read the opening post or three then catch up on the end.

Anyway whatever, this thread's obviously turned nasty so.. I'm out.

I have ~3 posts to do about how rper's use bubbles just to state a point to do with the chat bubbles. meh whatever, the reason Rper's were even brought up and i was shortly corrected on was the say rper's talking with (()) and I had thought that was people wanting chat bubbles and thought it was tacky/annoying in the chat window, then was told it was for OOC, so I was corrected but still stand to say 75% of the rper's I have seen talk in (()) are still speaking as if they are rping and not ooc'ing, again thats how it has to do with the topic I had thought the (()) were rp'ers way of making their own chat bubbles sorry for my "rambling on annoying" I seem to have offended you. When I might not of even been talking about your particular RPing...

lol anyways on topic: Still disagree with it being used, sure I guess it is okay to be toggled. but I am stating for all the people I know in game they would perfer to go without chat bubbles.

edit: and your lol terminalogy for "less abrasive" by being more abrasive! good show old chap! jolly good show!

Finding a relation between speech bubbles and role players is far fetched.
And seeing the person making this relation claims role-players use (( )) for something other than out of character comments clearly shows he doesn't know what he's talking about.

Now more on topic, its funny how threatened some people must feel about speech-bubbles that they dare go so far to try and silence those who want them.

This thread has already over 3k views and that little crown symbol. So yay, it is a hot topic. I say Keep it roaring and we'll see if developer plans stay the same.

While i don;t think speech bubbles really fit this game, maybe a better thing would be little audio bites when you get in the vicinity of certain NPC's make theworld feel more alive

obviously I don't know what I am talking about... when you haven't even seen the rp's I am talking about. Good job taking over my life and saying what I do or don't know what I am talking about.

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Originally Posted by Xmbei

obviously I don't know what I am talking about... when you haven't even seen the rp's I am talking about. Good job taking over my life and saying what I do or don't know what I am talking about.

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sounds more like you jumped to conclusions and made false evidence to support your case. (()) has been the OOC indicator for decades of forum/mud/game/chatroom roleplay. it differentiates what is being said in character with what is being said out of character in an instantly recognisable way to other rpers. Naturally everyone has to learn this at some point, but it's usually done by asking what they're for, instead of getting pissed off at their use.

There are plenty of people who put actions in their ooc aswell, such as prodding someone, hugging someone or similar, it's not RP in the narative sense, but just the general chat room stuff that i'm sure you yourself have used from time to time.

I think you're getting faaar too aggrovated over something so completely off of this thread's topic.

back to the topic at hand, Speech bubbles... don't really care for them, don't have anything against them if they don't get in my way personally. A chat log with permanently recorded text will always be better than a 3 second pop up.

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Originally Posted by TessaJalloh

sounds more like you jumped to conclusions and made false evidence to support your case. (()) has been the OOC indicator for decades of forum/mud/game/chatroom roleplay. it differentiates what is being said in character with what is being said out of character in an instantly recognisable way to other rpers. Naturally everyone has to learn this at some point, but it's usually done by asking what they're for, instead of getting pissed off at their use.

There are plenty of people who put actions in their ooc aswell, such as prodding someone, hugging someone or similar, it's not RP in the narative sense, but just the general chat room stuff that i'm sure you yourself have used from time to time.

I think you're getting faaar too aggrovated over something so completely off of this thread's topic.

back to the topic at hand, Speech bubbles... don't really care for them, don't have anything against them if they don't get in my way personally. A chat log with permanently recorded text will always be better than a 3 second pop up.

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I think an ideal solution would be to keep the chat-log, with toggleable bubbles for those who don't want them, making it so that the user could disable the log from auto-opening on every message. If memory doesn't fail me that's how PSO worked. You had everything kept in a log which you could open if you wanted.

That way a user who wasn't interested in the chat-log for something other than double checking what was said could keep the chat-box hidden at all times.

But generally speaking when playing in a party you don't need to read a message for more than a few seconds.
It'd be a lot more action oriented if when someone needs to trigger something to just have the message pop up in the middle of the screen (this actually follows the same logic SE used for pop up 3d text on damage numbers).

I personally wouldn't use the bubbles for stuff like linkshell chat. But I see them a lot better for things like say and party than the chat box.

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Originally Posted by Bayohne

We heard back regarding the possibility of implementing speech bubbles as a chat tool. The team let us know that there are no plans to use speech bubbles in the game, but that they are working to improve the chat windows, and chat system, so if you have any feedback I'd be happy to pass it along. (I don't think this thread works for those kind of suggestions, so perhaps a new one?)

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thank god!!!!!! i'm happy to hear that lol

The only speech bubble i want to see is the one popping up on peoples screen when you finally give us a button to boot in-active players from the linkshell at any time. Jesus that's button would be like getting a NM drop with a 0.02 drop rate.

I am for speech bubbles, I think they would help alot. defiantly in cut scenes.

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Originally Posted by Majidah

Now more on topic, its funny how threatened some people must feel about speech-bubbles that they dare go so far to try and silence those who want them.

This thread has already over 3k views and that little crown symbol. So yay, it is a hot topic. I say Keep it roaring and we'll see if developer plans stay the same.

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Its a hot topic because people hate the idea with a passion and are flooding here to make sure that this idea is NOT getting a lot of support, because we would all be beating our heads into the wall if we allowed this to get implemented because we just didn't bother looking at a thread we didn't care for.

These following thoughts are for us all to discuss, I read this was not the place to write them down for the developers to get them, but I would like to hear from other players what their thoughts are...

I don't think speech bubbles are right for the game, but I do think the chat needs to be improved. Linkpearls are great for comunicating with your friends, but for those who yet don't have friends in-game it's quite difficult to make them if they don't "hear" the ppl who are playing, so maybe the main chat should get more inviting to use.
Ppl use linkpearls and the main chat is always empty so whenever a new characters wishes to speak to someone they have to use the tell-command (/t) followed by the name of the character.
(Now correct me if I'm wrong and what I am about to suggest already exists) This way is ok the first time, but there should be a way for one to press a button, example spacebar+up (like I said, correct me if this already exists) and the last name you put appears automatically with nothing else written besides that (example: /t name surname )
This PARTLY works, the name appears but also the last thing you have written so you basically have to erase the last text you put there if you want to do this... It would truly make it easier to whisp to someone if the tell command was more automatic.
Also this tiny little thing has been bothering me... Sometimes I get a tell from someone and at the same time the system information pops up in the chat screen and I have to roll back to read what they have written to me. It's not really a big deal but maybe there could be another, yet smaller window for the system information only, I think this would really help.

The guides in-game are quite bad. I often find myself looking for explanations on the web for many things (also since I am still a newbie). Maybe new characters could get a manual in-game that explains simple things like how to comunicate, how crafting/fishing/logging trees/mining/etc. works, what the colours on the things you're crafting/etc. means, things like that. I believe a good game should be able to provide the enough BASIC information without one having to look for it elsewhere.

I want to add that I love the game, of course it is still new and still improving, I hope my thoughts and ideas doesn't offend anyone.
Take care ppl!

As long as the chat bubble feature, if ever it is implemented, is a toggle feature. Otherwise, no thank you to speech bubbles - I do not want to sit there and feel like I am reading a fraking comic book. No.. thank.. you.

Pointless...But if some people want it why not. *vote for toggle (unless it mucks with the servers..)

Yea, toggle sounds good.