9 Coke required now? (or other)

First, I wasn't trying to say that 5x meld HQ ilvl70 gear was better than ilvl 90. I only displayed it for comparison purposes so you could take stat weights into effect.

Second let's dispel some false arguments

Myth 1: ilvl 70 gear is hard to HQ and meld
The ilvl 70 gear is not hard to HQ at all. I have made 7 pieces and all were all at 100% with about 30+ durability with CP left over. I'm about 50/50 HQ on the material pieces (40 durability with 9 out of 11 NQ pieces). Yes I have all crafts at 50 (except armorer) but you can always commission another crafter to craft the item for you if you are not confident. For new players alchemy and culinary will provide most of the abilities for for your crafting career.

For the melds you are looking at about 100k for the first two (100% chance of success for tier 4). ~150k for the 3rd meld (again assuming tier 4). 200k-500k for the last melds. Generally at this point you will be using t3 or t2 materia so it get's cheaper, especially if you are spirit binding the materia yourself. (of course the above prices are server dependent)

Myth 2:You will replace your ilvl 70 quickly
First you are assuming that the player is running CoB and getting ilvl 90 drops and not buying gear with mytho tokens. A large portion of the population is not doing CoB yet. --side note on new servers - I don't think their progression is going to be as quick as it was on legacy server's where people already had ilvl 60/70 gear, cracked materia t4, and relics ready to go. So while you are waiting for friends/FC to gear up and prepare for learning ifrit>garuda>titan>CoB for your ilvl 90 gear, this dependance on other players will also delay replacing your ilvl 70 gear. I would suggest leveling doh/dol in the mean time which helps solve part of myth1 and will help you generate gil to fund your crafts. ---

SOOO if you are not running CoB and getting ilvl 90 drops, you could be in ilvl 70 gear for a long time. It takes ~3150 mytho tokens to upgrade your af to ilvl 90. That is ~3 months of farming mytho tokens to upgrade your gear. Now for some this is ok but what about the people gearing multiple roles (which is a concept this game is built upon)? If I'm a DRG and want to be a backup healer/tank (for your FC, because you want faster dungeon invites for farming, enjoy another roll), my secondary roll will be in ilvl 70 gear for at least 3 months or more if I'm not in CoB. That's for at least one roll, add in multiple rolls and you can add on months but hopefully you'll be in CoB by then.

Myth 3: Being locked out of content based on ilvl
What content are you thinking you will be locked out of? You won't be locked out of CoB when restrictions go into place because the ilvl is the same as DL gear. You may progress faster in the crafted gear however because of the stat difference. When the next tier comes out, then you may be restricted in ilvl 70 gear but you are not meant to jump from ilvl 70 to that tier of raiding and you can't do it with DL either. Plus we may get ilvl 90 gear to craft at that point, we don't know.

On the same note of new ilvl 90 crafted gear (pure speculation) - I don't think it's going to be any less time consuming because crafted ilvl gear will always be better than drops of the same ilvl because of materia. Yes you have to pay/make materia, but the gear is better because effort = better gear.

Myth 4: It's faster to get DL
The time involved to obtain a piece ilvl 70 is relative, not absolute. I have 5 pieces of vanya and sold one. The price of potash is about 70k-90k/ea on my server and I started the game with 200k. So how many times have I run AK? 3 times now? So were did my potash come from? The AH. So it really depends on how you want to spend your time. I chose to craft/farm to make money mainly because I'm short on time some days. So if I don't have enough time to dungeon, I'll throw a few pieces of gear/mats up on the AH and use the money generated to buy the ingredient's instead of token farming. I really don't believe that I spent any less time crafting/farming for gil for my vanya (that is better than DL gear) than people in DL did farming dungeons.

Again, this is relative to me but it's certainly not absolute that DL is faster to get when ingredients can be bought from the AH. (Personally I'd much rather craft some gear/mats, put it on the ah, go do some RL stuff and come back to craft my ilvl 70 instead of mindlessly running the same dungeons over and over)

Thanks for the tip :)

1)Go read the other threads where new crafters are talking about getting 50HQ%. This is while leveling up w/o HQ gear and w/o all classes at 50. I wrote this at work in short burst between boss walking in.
2)Your opinion. Also, I don't see a ton of people running around in ilvl 90 yet, and I'm on a legacy server. Sorry about the roll vs role. It wasn't a personal attack on you. Sorry if you felt that way.
3)No it was speculated earlier and one of the arguments that's been brought up. Again, by your tone I think I offended you and if so I'm truly sorry for hurting your e-feelings. You can book mark this post and come back and tell me I'm wrong but I'm going to guess that when the next tier of content is released there will be ilvl 90 craftable gear.
4)If you don't understand that dungeons give 40 mytho vs 80 philo and it has a weekly cap AND how that will lead to a surplus of philosophy then IDK what else to say. I will be nice and give you a hint. Next time you are in AK and see someone in full DL gear ask yourself why they are there. My guess is that they aren't going to let their philosophy token cap out while they farm mytho and where do you think those tokens will go?

well, can't really say darklight->darksteel is a minor upgrade in some places. without materia, HQ Darksteel Haubergeon basically has +27 crit over a darklight cuirass which has +18 determination instead. you can equalize that determination with 3 tier IV savage mights, and then stick some accuracy in there if you really wanted to for coil lol. basically you'll end up with net gain +27 crit and somewhere in the range of +9-+18 accuracy, not sure about the ACC stat cap on that particular item.

Well since there's maintenance right now allow me to entertain you.

1) ilvl 70 gear is hard to HQ and meld -- relatively so

Your argument that iLvL 70 HQ penta meld T4s are easy is only valid on a legacy server. New servers have an excruciating process to obtain Tier IV materias at this moment, this effectively renders the process of HQing and penta melding invalid.

2) You will replace your ilvl 70 quickly - absolutely

If we compare the most efficient ways of farming vs. crafting, it is without a doubt that farming is faster. On Hyperion (Legacy) multiple LS and FCs have progressed into CoB and started routine farming. Several individuals have an average iLvL80+ on their primary job, and many more have acquired several pieces of Allagan gear. In the same time that it takes to craft and penta-meld a full set of HQ T4 gears, a competent player would have obtained a full set of iLvL90 gear.

3) Being locked out of content based on ilvl

The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence.

4) It is faster to get DL

Occam's razor states that among competing hypotheses, the hypothesis with the fewest assumptions should be selected. Thus the process of obtaining tomes >> get DL is the most efficient.

5) There will be excess tomes down the line

By the time that tomes started to inflate, most end-game LS/FCs should have excess Allagan gear as well. By that time all iLvL70 items will become obsolete.

And the fact that end craft gear sucked along side reward gear didn't bother me because I thought I was given it as an alternative to dungeon queue.

Turns out I need to farm dungeons anyway for over priced components.

Another one trick pony, MMO.

LFG
LFG
LFG

wait 45 minutes.
Wipe, repeat.

Not.

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Originally Posted by Gamemako

Go make 50 ARM, use no cross-class skills, no HQ gear. Get even 15% HQ and I'll pay to move to your server and give you all my gil. It won't happen, of course -- you can't even initiate the synth without strong food and HQ gear, and you will need 80 dura worth of synths just to finish it.

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You need 347 Craftsmanship to make a Darksteel Ingot. With 347 Craftsmanship, you will get to one synth away from completion in five steps. Piece By Piece > Synth, Synth, Synth, Synth. By my maths you'll be one standard synthesis away from completion. Thus, you'll have 30 durability left and enough CP to Master's Mend II. From there on it's tricky, but I could quite easily reach 20-30% HQ without other class abilities.

Not saying that proves anyone right or wrong but as a very experienced crafter your incorrect assumption stood out like a sore thumb.

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Originally Posted by Gamemako

You can buy them, however. You just need 318 control to initiate the synth.

I would love to see how you're getting that much quality gain from 318 control. Getting the 2000 quality needed for 30% HQ chance is waaaaaaay out of reach.

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Have you done much crafting? You don't seem to have a very good grasp on the fundamentals.

1)You do not need food to attempt the craft.....also I never said you didn't have to use cross class skill. I said you didn't have to have all crafts max at 50. It took me two nights to go from 1-35 armorer so the majority of abilities are within reach with a little effort.

2)What use is gil if you aren't going to spend it? It's just a number on your screen. And while you might question my "good sense" I will question your at running the stupid dungeon over and over. I made HQ items and put them on the AH and used the money to buy mats and materia for ilvl 70 and have a full hq vanya set (minus the pants). I promise you I spent less time crafting and making gil for my ilvl 70 and than the majority of people who ran dungeons.

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Amen.

I'm rocking 3/3 Heavy Darksteel for my Paladin. It's better than Darklight and I can dye it. I wasn't aware I could figure out how to call Gamemako's bluff with cross class in mind. In that case, throw in Tricks of the Trade from 15 Alchemist and Rumination from 15 Carpenter and you'll find you can raise your quality much higher. If people can't even be bothered to level those two to 15 then frankly they have no business complaining on the forums that a crafting job is useless.

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Misunderstanding on my part; I thought we were talking about the ingots. Either way, with the two abilities I listed at 15 Alchemist and Carpenter your chances of high qualitying something balloon through the roof. Getting both to that level would take all but an hour.

I am 99.99% sure I would surpass 10% HQ using just Armorer skills making any of the items requiring Darksteel Ingots. I am unfortunately not willing to spend the money needed to find out for the sake of it. I am genuinely perplexed at your crafting ability if you believe 10% to be so far out of reach.

Also, you can get Coke on the Wards. That was his entire point; he can just buy it rather than farm the dungeon.

Also nobody is impressed when people tell people they've blocked them. They just think you're an idiot.

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Originally Posted by Gamemako

Uh-huh. Such a valuable comment

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Also, if you are that interested in a sensible contribution (which you are, since you have blocked someone you deem unworthy) then you should probably not ignore a very valid point somebody makes that will help you improve your crafting, instead focusing on something you dislike. I am not taken in by the pretense you want advice or help; I just think you've got nothing better to do than troll or argue. Good day to you.

I don't know why you guys started talking about this, but the ease of HQing because you came into ARR with all classes leveled, and the fact that you probably had loads of G4 materia to burn is irrelevant. With JUST ARMORORER LEVELED UP, you will be stupidly lucky to HQ anything, and they greatly increased the time it takes to spiritbond gear, and G4 Materia is very rarely created and only from ilvl55 stuff or ilvl70 stuff if you actually go SB that in the coil.

An all-level50 crafter like us can just 100% HQ 2star recipes from all NQ mats, one-class crafter cannot do that, plain and simple. Both you and kamaru have Legacy shades on and are in denial, especially if you intend to justify this retarded change.

What you need to do is get off of that one-knee, and go do coil with someone. If you aren't cooking food or making some potions, you're wasting your time. Ive already replaced my Heavy darksteel chest. Would have done it 3rd week if I wasn't wasting my damn time crafting.

ilvl70 will get replaced by ilvl90 at the rate YOU do the content. Some people are well on their way to full ilvl90, and never touched one of these damn crafted items. Of course if you sit around wasting your time crafting BS all day, you'll never get around to replacing it and you'll think its the best of the best gear. But, you can continue to think its the best gear and won't get replaced in a decent amount of time if you wish, and you can continue wasting your time grinding dungeons for mats if that is what you are doing. They are plenty of players being far more intelligent about what they do with their time in ARR, the ones that can see the error and imbalance right in front of their faces.

Actually, you should go try to craft a 2-star recipe using only 1 classes skills. Please post a picture of what you got without getting any excellents. Actually prefer you make a video, to avoid doctored pictures. Even making 100% HQ from NQ takes use of many cross class skills and LUCK, but with 1 class you have little chance of getting past 10%.

Nobody is saying to try and HQ 1/2 star gear with just one crafting class. What's being pointed out is that its easy to level crafting at the lower levels and gain access to a lot of abilities that will give you a high chance of success. Are the legacy blinders I'm wearing the same ones that let you run coil after 3 weeks to replace ilvl 70? I'm not saying it's not possible but in general it's not happening on fresh servers, just like how you are arguing for crafters on new servers.

"and never touched one of these damn crafted items" That's great..but how many times did your run AK/CM? Again, I promise you that I spent less time crafting for gil to make my ilvl 70 with materia than you did in those dungeons for your darklight. Even if I had to level up an entire crafting job to make it myself at the end I still got something out of my time spent (a level 50 crafting job). You will have nothing to show for the time you spent in those dungeons. I've also mentioned how good this gear is for secondary roles going into CoB. If you are a DRG I don't think you'll be seeing any healing/tank gear before the primary tanks/healers, and that's assuming the piece drops.

Of course you did.

:rolleyes:

You must not know, but people on new servers are already clearing the coil, in darklight plus the ilvl90 gear they obtained in the first few turns. I believe I posted that with a link in this thread, so its painfully obvious you ignored the rest of the thread, and probably don't even know what this thread is about since you keep going off into other things. You should keep up with the times, and realize no one, not even you, especially on new servers, needs to waste their time trying to craft these because of their costs. Having left over materials from 1.0 was a nice skip past having to grind for darklight, but without that you are wasting your time. I think its time you woke up and realized that.

Also, I'm quite sure Selene was trying to say you could easily HQ 2 star gear with just 1 class, or did you ignore that too...

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Originally Posted by SeleneVenizelos

Misunderstanding on my part; I thought we were talking about the ingots. Either way, with the two abilities I listed at 15 Alchemist and Carpenter your chances of high qualitying something balloon through the roof. Getting both to that level would take all but an hour.

I am 99.99% sure I would surpass 10% HQ using just Armorer skills making any of the items requiring Darksteel Ingots. I am unfortunately not willing to spend the money needed to find out for the sake of it. I am genuinely perplexed at your crafting ability if you believe 10% to be so far out of reach.

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Speaking of which, this is to say you never actually tried then, so you don't really know how almost impossible it is to get past 10% HQ....

The only time I can see super crafting gear being useful is for super-crafters and super-gatherers....

I have kept up over the last few weeks and saw how many drastic assumptions were being made I felt the need to dispel them. I also saw about the new servers clearing coil, but thats not the a large portion of the population, not even close.

I did find out some more info after looking into crafting a set of gear for my bard. I believe all the brd gear (except for the tunic) require two 2 star materials. The vanya gear only requires one for all except the pants AND you can use it on multiple classes so maybe that should be the focus of some fuss. I won't craft a piece that requires 2 two start mats and I'll agree that the time (SPENT ON MAKING GIL OR FARMING DUNGEONS) is not worth it in that case. However, I still don't see where you think these items are useless for secondary or third roles. All my tokens are going to drg and brd so it will be a while before my whm ever sees a piece of token gear and/or CoB healing gear. In the mean time I'll have my vanya which is better than DL and that I spent less time acquiring than I will any token gear. If you refuse to believe that it's your choice.

Don't take my approach personal like I came to your house and kicked your dog.

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Originally Posted by Kamaru

I have kept up over the last few weeks and saw how many drastic assumptions were being made I felt the need to dispel them. I also saw about the new servers clearing coil, but thats not the a large portion of the population, not even close.

I did find out some more info after looking into crafting a set of gear for my bard. I believe all the brd gear (except for the tunic) require two 2 star materials. The vanya gear only requires one for all except the pants AND you can use it on multiple classes so maybe that should be the focus of some fuss. I won't craft a piece that requires 2 two start mats and I'll agree that the time (SPENT ON MAKING GIL OR FARMING DUNGEONS) is not worth it in that case. However, I still don't see where you think these items are useless for secondary or third roles. All my tokens are going to drg and brd so it will be a while before my whm ever sees a piece of token gear and/or CoB healing gear. In the mean time I'll have my vanya which is better than DL and that I spent less time acquiring than I will any token gear. If you refuse to believe that it's your choice.

Don't take my approach personal like I came to your house and kicked your dog.

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I take your approach as if you don't have a clue, which you dont. Vanya takes 1, so what? Darklight cowl is 2 pieces and cost less than 1 vanya robe and 1 vanya hat, doesnt need to have any crafts or gathers leveled, doesnt need materia, and will get you through coil.

If I didn't have 2 vanya silks from 1.0, I would have taken the darklight cowl. Its simply the smarter move thanks to what they've done. And the time spent gathering mats not being worth it is THE WHOLE POINT OF THE THREAD! 1.0 leftovers are fine and dandy, but everything after that is NOT worth the time.

Darklight cowl is ~1300 tokens. I promise you that I did not spend 13 hours crafting/farming for gil to buy mats for my vanya. Also if you like I can pull out direct quotes from this thread (mostly yours) to show where I got my myths. But it will have to be in the morning because I'm getting sleepy. Just going to throw a few things up on the AH and make some more gil. It's like running a dungeon while you're asleep!

There are no myths here, just some trolls trying to deal out false info due to their own inability to do simple math. you aren't going to fool anyone whos figured it out, so give it up.

>< lost 9 coke when synth cancels before I had done any actions, just as a warning to anyone who realises seconds after starting they didn't add the hq mats, dont go and cancel it wont return mats to inventory.

Reika is correct. There is no point to crafting other than cooking and alchemy. Why would I waste my time crafting if I can just get the best gear grinding dungeons. Crafters are basically being punished for spending so much time crafting. Why would I grind dungeons AND craft when grinding dungeons is all I need to do to have the best gear? You could say "to have the best gear you can until you get the best gear in the game," but that is just a bunch of BS. What so I can have the best gear for a week or two before I have all ilvl 90 gear? And the craftable ilvl 70 gear with full materia isn't even that much better and you don't need it to clear content so what's the point? There is no point, at all. Get your DL, grind BC and get your best gear.

I'm so glad I maxed out all my crafts in 1.0. I thought I was getting ahead for when 2.0 came out. Jokes on me.

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Reika is correct. There is no point to crafting other than cooking and alchemy. Why would I waste my time crafting if I can just get the best gear grinding dungeons. Crafters are basically being punished for spending so much time crafting. Why would I grind dungeons AND craft when grinding dungeons is all I need to do to have the best gear? You could say "to have the best gear you can until you get the best gear in the game," but that is just a bunch of BS. What so I can have the best gear for a week or two before I have all ilvl 90 gear? And the craftable ilvl 70 gear with full materia isn't even that much better and you don't need it to clear content so what's the point? There is no point, at all. Get your DL, grind BC and get your best gear.

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That's my bone to pick as well.
If I could have crafted without the dungeon grind I would have accepted lower gear. The dungeon gear being rewarded was for the dungeons and I understood that and respected it. Usually people who grind dungeons don't take to crafting and people who migrate to crafting loath dungeons. (me)

I want crafting quests to get coke and potash. I don't care how foolish they make them but I refuse to queue for dungeons to craft.

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Originally Posted by Reika

There are no myths here, just some trolls trying to deal out false info due to their own inability to do simple math. you aren't going to fool anyone whos figured it out, so give it up.

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Do you know what a troll is? It's not someone who disagree's with you and provides justification for their beliefs. If you don't want to debate my point of view then just say so. The insults are unnecessary.

I did the simple math and found that for pieces that require one 2 star material it was much more efficient for me to make gil to buy the pieces then to spam dungeons AND I end up with better gear. I sold one hq robe with penta meld for 2.5m which was enough to for me to craft another hq robe with 5x materia (better materia this time around) and an hq belt w/ x5 materia and still had money left over the sale.

Reika, I completely agree with you that the pieces that require two 2 start materials is not is not balanced when casters can 5/6 pieces with only one of those materials, and it can be used on multiple jobs. If they were(and need to) to equalize the materials (maybe even make drg/mnk/brd gear a little cheaper since they can't share) then no I don't I don't think the current price of coke is to much. But not all pieces require two materials and it's those pieces that I believe are worth crafting vs farming dungeons.

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That's my bone to pick as well.
If I could have crafted without the dungeon grind I would have accepted lower gear. The dungeon gear being rewarded was for the dungeons and I understood that and respected it. Usually people who grind dungeons don't take to crafting and people who migrate to crafting loath dungeons. (me)

I want crafting quests to get coke and potash. I don't care how foolish they make them but I refuse to queue for dungeons to craft.

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This is also a super good idea but they would need to equalize the 2-star material cost across all the ilvl 70 crafted.

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>< lost 9 coke when synth cancels before I had done any actions, just as a warning to anyone who realises seconds after starting they didn't add the hq mats, dont go and cancel it wont return mats to inventory.

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Actually if you press quit before performing any crafting actions it wont really use your mats.

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Originally Posted by Kamaru

Do you know what a troll is? It's not someone who disagree's with you and provides justification for their beliefs. If you don't want to debate my point of view then just say so. The insults are unnecessary.

I did the simple math and found that for pieces that require one 2 star material it was much more efficient for me to make gil to buy the pieces then to spam dungeons AND I end up with better gear. I sold one hq robe with penta meld for 2.5m which was enough to for me to craft another hq robe with 5x materia (better materia this time around) and an hq belt w/ x5 materia and still had money left over the sale.

Reika, I completely agree with you that the pieces that require two 2 start materials is not is not balanced when casters can 5/6 pieces with only one of those materials, and it can be used on multiple jobs. If they were(and need to) to equalize the materials (maybe even make drg/mnk/brd gear a little cheaper since they can't share) then no I don't I don't think the current price of coke is to much. But not all pieces require two materials and it's those pieces that I believe are worth crafting vs farming dungeons.

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The problem is they aren't. The only 2 pieces worth farming mats for, as stated earlier in the thread, are heavy darksteel armor and heavy darksteel flanchards, as they are the only 2 pieces that cost less tombs to create than their darklight counterparts take to obtain. To make the vanya robe and hat, which you will need to make both to be better than darklight cowl (or you can sub the hat with a rosegold circlet), it takes 2250 tokens, vs darklight cowls 1300. That is the "simple math" i didn't see you doing. None of the other pieces are worth the time. I challenge you to just delete all the Grade 3 and 4 materia you have from 1.0 and then come back and tell us that they are worth the time. Even the heavy darksteel armor and flanchards are only worth the time IF you get the materia afterwords, and it would be a damn shame to waste the armor on grade 3 materia, which is what you will see rather than grade 4 on any of the new servers. G4 is too rarely created and ilvl55 take a very long time to spiritbond. Have you gone out and done any battle gear spiritbonding yet?

I did not have any cracked materia from 1.0. All my materia was stored on my brother's account who was killed between the downtime of 1.0 and 2.0 and thus his account never got migrated. I know the token price and all I've been pointing out is that you don't have to farm tokens. The items are not bind on pickup. You can buy them from the AH. So if it's faster for you to farm up the gil to buy the materials than it is to farm dungeons, as it was for me, then some the pieces are worth it. Also, I have ran less than 10 dungeons and spirit bound 3 sets of ilvl 55 gear. You will get about 30% per run especially in CM.

I'm going to run a quick check(because that's what trolls do lol), but I'm pretty sure that you don't need a single piece of materia in the crafted HQ gear for them to be equal to DL gear.

Well, ok man if you think your time is worth it vs getting darklight and moving on with the rest of the game, knock yourself out. You can count yourself as one of the very very few who do.

You can go ahead and put a check on Heavy darksteel armor vs Darklight armor, as it is easiest to tell that it is not as strong as darklight armor @ HQ due to the parry stat being less than darklight. Each piece of crafted does come with one of the 2 secondary stats not at cap, while darklight has them all capped.

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Coke is about 35k per on my non-legacy server. That's 630k gil to buy the coke required to craft the Darksteel gloves. Considering how little gil there is on non-legacy servers, it's sort of outrageous to expect this to be a viable option.

Non legacy huh? As in they didn't carry over mats from 1.0? As in someone bought that with tokens? Why didn't they spend it on darklight? Is it because they probably got all the DL they wanted but still need mytho tokens and thus generate additional philosophy tokens they can dump on crafting mats? Nah I bet that's not the case. <--sarcasm Go check the AH on the various mats. I'm betting someone is buying them. Maybe not you, but someone.

Its economics. If 35k was 1% of your total gil would you buy rather than spend 1.5 hours in a dungeon it would take to farm the tokens for one? It's a personal question and there isn't a right or wrong answer. If they price is to high then it will never sell. That doesn't mean that it useless, it means the price is to high.

I wouldnt spend 1% if that 1%=35k gil. Why? Because:

1. Its overpriced for a non legacy server(AVG player has ~100k, AVG DOL~400k, AVG DOH~300k).
2. Its unstable, both the price (35-100k in a week? lol might lose quite a lot) and recipe (we dont even know if they ll nerf it once they see how hard they failed, everyone already has ilvl70 even w/o the help of crafters)
3. Why not just farm it? And dont rush with the usual: "You lose 1,5h's worth of money you could make by crafting" cause first, crafting is pretty dead atm, specially on nonlegacy, with only melds and relics viable and second, you can meld with stuff easilly and sell the materia for LOADS(i.e. 60k quicktongue).

I had my first ARM 50 client yesterday, asked me for DS chain chest and helm. I think he/she spent about 500k/piece, mainly on coke. They were very easy to HQ-100%(used good crossclass skills tho).

If only you needed 1xCoke, the cost would be way less and crafting would feel so awesome and usefull.....*sigh*
Atm its worse than WoW's BoP crafting at 50><

At least the <50 HQs do sell........

There is zero problems with the fact it costs so much. How much darklight is say you chest piece for drg...now lets multiply that by every other disciple of was...so pld war brd drg and mnk can use the 1 piece of gear you made. How much is 5 sets if darklight in comparison? Its about using you head guys. Dint be so short sighted to think it was meant for 1 class I rest my case.

Small addition they are easy to hq and the weapons are better then most garuda titan weapons and only marginally worse rhen relic. But can have better extra stats.

^ has not even looked at the gear yet. I suggest you go look at them and your facts might possibly straighten out. To put it out there for you, darksteel haubergeon is lnc/drg only and so is darklight cuirass, and the same goes for healer gear, caster gear, monk gear, bard gear, and tank gear. You can't use 1 piece of crafted armor on all your classes. Unless it is jewelry of course.

And no, the crafted weapons will never get used over relics.

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The sad thing is the above poster is absolutely right -- iLvL90 items absolutely trample over iLvL70 HQ penta meld Tier IVs. You might be looking at the maths and go into denial but there's something in the coding that doesn't show from plain stats.

My cure I was hitting a medium of 820 with a HQ penta meld alkalurops, when I switched to relic the medium became 990 -- a friend of mine with a Thyrus +1 was hitting 2000HP cure I crits.. The secondary stats on my alkalurops surpssses Thyrus by miles, and yet in practice it did not go the way it propitiated.

I would say the same idea goes for armor -- more defense and higher HP means a OHKO becomes a two-shot -- it is so crucial as you progress along coil.
The other sad thing is one can only obtain spiritbind with iLvL70 items while inside coil -- meaning on a new server all T4 materias will be coming from coil spiritbind PTs -- further invalidate the viability of materia-melded gears.

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The healing gear is shared between whm and sch and the dps caster gear is shared between blm and smn. On excalibur there was an average of ~30 of the token mats of the AH all weekend with entire AH histories rolling over every few hours so it looks like they are severing their purpose. Just because you can't afford something doesn't mean it's broken. The only thing wrong with 2 star armor crafts atm is that some pieces require two 2 star mats and some require one and it's disproportion across the classes.