skirmish: increase difficulty lvl.

A strong WAR shouldn't need a lot of +enmity because their damage should be enough for them to get hate. Paladins, on the other hand, rely more on special abilities to get hate and thuss need the +enmity more. It's honestly a pretty simple concept.

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Originally Posted by Raikki

0.3% enmity (your spreadsheet's claim) isn't going to make any difference in whether you keep or lose hate. I know you'd want to come back with "but with a better meld..." but when you're already arguing based on having low stats, why would you blow up more Giantsgall weapons when you could be melding yourself better stats onto cheaper gear in other slots, thus increasing your enmity and your damage much more significantly.

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If you have Garuda's Scream, I don't see why you wouldn't but that's not the arguement I've been making. Like I said, I got Garuda's scream on friday night and did that very thing, changed a ring to reach the STR cap. But I was only able to reach that cap because I have triple melded STR gloves, most people don't have such gloves. I think it's probably a toss up which may be cheaper, triple melded STR gloves or a double melded GG axe. I've blown up 40+ pairs of gloves trying to get another pair so that I can also hit the VIT cap, which has cost several million and I still don't have them. Is that cheaper than farming a GG axe for a double meld? Probably not.

Also 0.034 is 3.4% not .34%.

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Originally Posted by Molly_Millions

If you have Garuda's Scream, I don't see why you wouldn't but that's not the arguement I've been making. Like I said, I got Garuda's scream on friday night and did that very thing, changed a ring to reach the STR cap.

Also 0.034 is 3.4% not .34%.

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Whoops, I gave the wrong number. I meant 0.1% not 0.3%. Check your spreadsheet again.

"Total Enmity":
Giantsgall War Axe M2 (+34 enm): 1067.30
Garuda's Scream: 1066.1

1067.30 / 1066.1 = 1.0011 (100.11%)

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Originally Posted by Raikki

Whoops, I gave the wrong number. I meant 0.1% not 0.3%. Check your spreadsheet again.

"Total Enmity":
Giantsgall War Axe M2 (+34 enm): 1067.30
Garuda's Scream: 1066.1

1067.30 / 1066.1 = 1.0011 (100.11%)

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LIke I said earlier, I put the mimimum amount of enmity on the spreadsheet to gain more enmity than on Garuda's Scream. That's a tier II and a III, you could do two Tier IIIs for a larger gain, or as much as two perfect IVs. Regardless of the difference it still doesn't make my claim less valid. As much or more enmity (depending on the meld) is still as much or more enmity.

It was stated earlier in this thread that enmity can cap out at 1 more point than the BLMs, but if that's the percentage that gets you there, that's what's important, because it's the percentage that's gonna keep your BLM from getting eaten.

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Originally Posted by Ingolf

No doubt you'll come back with another artificial scenario where you're proven to be correct.

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Originally Posted by Molly_Millions

LIke I said earlier, I put the mimimum amount of enmity on the spreadsheet to gain more enmity than on Garuda's Scream. That's a tier II and a III, you could do two Tier IIIs for a larger gain, or as much as two perfect IVs. Regardless of the difference it still doesn't make my claim less valid. As much or more enmity (depending on the meld) is still as much or more enmity.

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So your point is that, hypothetically, a colossally inept Warrior with a lot of money but terrible gear who spends his money multi-melding Rage IVs on Giantsgall War Axes instead of putting damage stats on legs/hands will generate slightly more enmity (and still several % less damage) than an equally terribly-geared Warrior with a Garuda's Scream? Well damn, how can I argue with that?

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Originally Posted by Raikki

So your point is that, hypothetically, a colossally inept Warrior with a lot of money but terrible gear who spends his money multi-melding Rage IVs on Giantsgall War Axes instead of putting damage stats on legs/hands will generate slightly more enmity (and still several % less damage) than an equally terribly-geared Warrior with a Garuda's Scream? Well damn, how can I argue with that?

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They wouldn't have to be inept, just undergeared but a bit lucky with a GG meld. A new player, or a casual player would fit the bill perfectly. Tying this back into the thread topic, that IS the type of player who skirmish is aimed at, after all. I'm simply playing devil's advocate to disprove an incorrect claim that Garuda's axe is always better than a GG axe. Quit trying to put words in my mouth.

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Originally Posted by Molly_Millions

They wouldn't have to be inept, just undergeared but a bit lucky with a GG meld. I'm simply playing devil's advocate to disprove an incorrect claim that Garuda's axe is always better than a GG axe. Quit trying to put words in my mouth.

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Even attempting double Rage IV on a GG axe is already inept, that's my point.

Edit: The Garuda's Scream is still better because you don't need the extra +enmity to hold hate in the first place.

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Originally Posted by Raikki

Even attempting double Rage IV on a GG axe is already inept, that's my point.

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You don't need two Touch of Rage IV, only a II and a IV, or two IIIs. You could get them very cheaply through spiritbonding. Not all materia is bought. You could also get the axe itself from farming skirmish. If you only had a crafted axe, or at best a moogle axe, then the GG axe with +enmity is a very attractive option. Not everyone is as lucky as myself to get Garuda's Scream on thier first win.

On the contrary, I think the fact that you can't see any reason why somebody would want to go that route is pretty inept.

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Originally Posted by Molly_Millions

You don't need two Touch of Rage IV, only a II and a IV, or two IIIs. You could get them very cheaply through spiritbonding. Not all materia is bought. You could also get the axe itself from farming skirmish. If you only had a crafted axe, or at best a moogle axe, then the GG axe with +enmity is a very attractive option. Not everyone is as lucky as myself to get Garuda's Scream on thier first win.

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It's time to stop posting.

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Originally Posted by Teuciont

It's time to stop posting.

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that's a pretty intelligent response

Guys, if I spiritbond it myself then it's free.

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Originally Posted by Molly_Millions

The problem here is that you are clinging to a phrase and not the implications of it. Damage doesn't matter if the BLMs are pulling hate off the tank. In those cases you need to generate more enmity, and I showed mathmatically how it's possible to generate more enmity with a GG axe depending on your other gear. Everyone is arguing that claim is wrong, you even agreed with it yourself.

If you have optimal gear for Garuda's Scream (ie. 350 str and 320 VIT, or the equivilent via attack power) then it is the best axe besides a Relic. But if you have sub-optimal gear, the GG axe with a good enmity meld can be better. This is the same claim I've been making, worded differently. Folks on the other side of this discussion are trying to claim otherwise. I want logic and mathmatical proof why they think thier claim holds weight, I have not yet seen any.

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Let's conceed that your Giantsgall produces more enmity when compared to a Garuda's Scream. When making that comparison you must assume that everything else remains constant (other gear, equal method of hate gain, equal party member gear and hate, etc).

The part that you're not taking into account is that if you deal less damage, then your DD's have 'increased' hate gain, not equal. If you are doing less damage, then your target has more HP that your DD's have to make up for. So, if everything is constant with you except for your Axe change, then there is a scenario in some fights where a BLM needs to cast extra spells or whatever, and that is the tipping point where the capability to deal more damage is more valuable then the enmity you receive for doing it.

Hmmm why can't ppl just accept Giantsgall weapons can have an use lol ...its not that complicated like every piece of gear in the game that is crafted is trash w/o materia on it same goes for GG weapons and they are good for the average player ... an upgrade to make it easier get the "best" stuff later...ppl getting butthurt by molly comparing the two Axes i guess their account included Garuda's scream when they started playing :P

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Originally Posted by Churchill

Guys, if I spiritbond it myself then it's free.

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Yes it is..whats your point? lol

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Originally Posted by Warlock

Hmmm why can't ppl just accept Giantsgall weapons can have an use lol ...its not that complicated like every piece of gear in the game that is crafted is trash w/o materia on it same goes for GG weapons and they are good for the average player ... an upgrade to make it easier get the "best" stuff later...ppl getting butthurt by molly comparing the two Axes i guess their account included Garuda's scream when they started playing :P

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because if it isn't the best it doesn't exist
didn't you know?

nothing in this game is serious enough to justify this ridiculous thread.

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Originally Posted by Warlock

Yes it is..whats your point? lol

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Probably that it still costs the same price whether your farm it via spiritbond, farm gil from skins/etc, craft, gather. It costs the same, it isn't free.

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Originally Posted by syntaxlies

um, actually the first time i did it i was the right party lvl... and skirmish was lvl 50 content i thought, it would make more sense if it was lvl 40 maybe i guess.

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Skirmish is for people who don't have killed Garuda yet. I think you have already killed Garuda many times?
In another words, your char is too strong for Skirmish.

I'll also point out that the spreadsheet posted valued Auto attack damage too high for Warrior and also valued Accuracy way too low for a tanking Warrior.

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Originally Posted by Felis

Skirmish is for people who don't have killed Garuda yet. I think you have already killed Garuda many times?
In another words, your char is too strong for Skirmish.

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^ This pretty much is the bottom line... if you are capable of winning Garuda w/o issues you are too strong for it you have overcome that level ...syntaxlies wants harder mode skirmish? why didn't he mention moogles? darkhold? caravan? :P put a extreme mode on every thing lol aside from the fack this game is dying in a few days -_-;

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Originally Posted by Churchill

Probably that it still costs the same price whether your farm it via spiritbond, farm gil from skins/etc, craft, gather. It costs the same, it isn't free.

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The only real price paid its time and since you are doing all that in your FREE time ..yeah its free

This thread has turned into nothing more than a digital trough urinal. Its now just a big pissing contesting between who "knows" the most and is most "right." If brains were as deep as the shit in this thread you'd have craniums the size of tanker trucks.

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Originally Posted by Warlock

The only real price paid its time and since you are doing all that in your FREE time ..yeah its free

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You're voting for Romney aren't you.

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Originally Posted by Felis

Skirmish is for people who don't have killed Garuda yet. I think you have already killed Garuda many times?
In another words, your char is too strong for Skirmish.

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you should be able to tell from his posts that logic is not his strong suit

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Originally Posted by Churchill

You're voting for Romney aren't you.

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you're voting for obama arent you? >.>

Im voting for my mom. On a side note, keep politics out of it joking or not. I assure you someone will get pissed on side of that fence or the other. Troll = no thanks.

Thank you for that insight

This thread has so much crap in it. Time to summarize points that actually make sense and call it a day.

- The Garuda Scream has better potential than a Giantsgall Axe with emnity melded to it.
- A Giantsgall is ONLY beneficial if you can't cap the stats of weapons that are stronger.
- Skirmish is for casual players who couldn't beat Garuda, so of course, it is a lesser weapon in potential.

My personal opinion:

Wait til 2.0. Otherwise, if possible get Garuda's Scream or a Grand Company axe of some sort. It is not difficult to reach cap stats even without Darklight. I did it on my Marauder without much difficulty. (MRD can't use Darklight.)

Lets be honest here, If you're going for a skirmish axe with +enmity, it's because you have a crafted axe or at best a moogle axe. If you could get enmity generation similar to Garuda's Scream vs that of the moogle axe, why wouldn't you go for it? Because I've got to agree with Raikki, in that if you have Garuda's Scream, why wouldn't you just cap your stats? Like I said, i did that very thing on Friday.

cap dem stats guys

and gals ;)

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Originally Posted by Molly_Millions

If you were on Balmung you'd know that I'm notoriuos for getting shit done when I join a group. I'm notoriuos for pulling groups together that can beat content with ease.

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This made my day :3

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Originally Posted by MeowyWowie

This made my day :3

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glad I could be of service :P

laugh out loud

I don't have a garuda's axe cause WAR is not my main but i put ACC on my GG axe seems like the smarter choice, I don't like to miss.

Garuda > GG + enmity/acc (go ahead and start disagree-ing, even for tanking purposes)

As for increasing the level on Skirmish, it would be a great idea, even for "hardcore" training.

This thread reminds me of those threads that say melding DEF to your PLD gear was totally not a retarded idea.