This is an extremely cynical view. The fact is, the game needs new players. SE has a chance to do that with this "new" product.Quote:
Forget the new players for a minute... how about the current playerbase? The "loyal" players.. new players may come along, sample the game and move on.
They are fixing what's broken. Therefore, time to add on. Even the current players will get tired of the game if nothing new is added in favor of only fixing things til there's nothing left to be fixed. Yay, they fixed leveling... oh wait, people have everything to 50 already. Yay, they fixed the loot system... but wait, there isn't any new content to get loot from. Yay, they fixed the comabt system... Oh wait, we a'ready beat everything.Quote:
There is less guarantee that a new player will stay versus a loyal player who is more willing to put up with flaws. Therefore, fix what's broken 1st before you add on.
Fixes and content have to be balanced. If you don't add new content, people get bored. If you leave broken things in the game, people get frustrated. You can't just do one thing or the other.
We're not in the dark. Or did you miss all the countless community rep posts stating "we're changing this in 2.0! We're fixing this in 2.0!" They don't just say stuff like this for poops and giggles. We're just as entitle to new content as we are to bug fixes. They have a responsibility to deliver BOTH.Quote:
But what of the other issues/concerns.
Why must chocobos be our companions
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09-30-2012, 02:19 PMAlhanelem
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09-30-2012, 02:26 PMResheph
ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh this thread
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09-30-2012, 02:41 PMMujenlmao.. I know right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Resheph
Alhanelem:
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09-30-2012, 03:58 PMcaskerHalf of your comments have no bearing on actual constructive criticism. You just want me to put my criticism aside for some reason. Stuff you've said that offers nothing to the issue but was just said in an effort to get me to drop it:Quote:
Originally Posted by Alhanelem
1) Chocobo companions were announced long ago, if you didn't complain back then you shouldn't complain now
2) It's just concept art, so because it isn't in the actual game, you can't criticize it
3) Other people might like it, so you should shut up.
4) Devs don't have to cater to you
That's all beside the point. These forums are for FEEDBACK.
These kinds of comments offer nothing to constructive discussion. You just want me to shut up or wait until its...not concept art, to complain. This is why you come off as stalling.
I know its concept art. And the concept it is showing is awkawrd. And now that we've gone further into the issue, I'm questioning the gameplay that surrounds chocobo companions.
The concept looks goofy and will assuredly be goofy once its implemented, whether it looks...grittier, or tougher, whatever, not sure why you brought that up at all. Go look at the garuda concept art and tell me how different it was from implementation. Why the hell would I assume the implementation of goofy chocobo black mage will be drastically different than the art? If I ignore what they show me I have nothing to go by.Quote:
Your retorts make no sense. I didn't discuss the degree of difference- In this particular case, the concept art has something of a comical look to it. Do you see anything in the actual game you could describe that way? The basic gist of it may be the same, but it may become grittier/tough as it evolves. Concept art also evolves with multiple iterations most of the time. HOw much of a difference you can expect depends on how early the art is.
And if there is no criticism, there is little impetus to change it. This is why you come off like you are stalling.
Actually no, I liked henchmen in GW1 and heroes in the GW expansion packs, because they filled up my group when I couldn't find anyone else. The function there made sense since the content was based on 8 group members for pretty much everything. I'm trying to figure out the purpose of chocobos now. The addition of chocobos looks like it will shift the soloing experience so that I always need to have a companion. And right now it's lookin like slim pickins black mage chocobo goofball.Quote:
It doesn't seem backward to me. They're sidekicks, not party fillers. I'm guessing you don't like henchmen and mercenaries in any game because that's what they do in every MMO.
That's all just speculation. But if I call him every once in a while when I need help, yeah, it's a bonus. If I am able to keep him out all the time, then I should probably have him out all the time, thus I am tethered to a chocobo at all times or else reducing my efficiency. This is what I mean by gimp. It's not just about having a positive or negative outlook though I know you want to paint me in a certain way.Quote:
Also, I said "even if there are no other restrictions-" There probably will be, for instance if the Chocobo/merc/pet/whatever is KOd you most likely won't be able to just call it again right then and there, because that would be broken. There is probably a cooldown between calls, yada yada. It's a "bonus" to have when you can have it, not a "gimp" to take away from you when you're without it. It's basically no different than having the rested EXP bonus versus not having it. You can be negative and look at it as being gimped when you dont have the bonus or be positive and look at it as the bonus that it is.
Here's what I don't like. People trying to stop constructive criticism because other peoples feelings might get hurt.Quote:
I honestly really don't care that much whether you like the content or not. What i don't like is you acting like your opinion deserves priority and that the devs should scrap stuff just because your personal tastes don't agree with it. The fact is, some people don't like it and some people do. Why should content be cut from the game when there ARE people that are interested in it?
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09-30-2012, 05:33 PMyukikaze_yanagi
Just so you know, in ancient times horses and other animals were trained for warfare to give an hand to soldiers crushing and bite enemies. This is the same concept, in a fantasy setting. Is really that game breaking ?
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09-30-2012, 09:01 PMEsk
My chocobo will do as a companion till i get my path companion as one, im really hoping they can do them so they are a real companion much like the 'normal' FF games.
But we will see when we eventually get some info about it.
I did think the Choco AF armour looked meh, but i can understand why they did it and why a lot of people will like it. I would have prefer more normal armour styles on them and only having 3 ways that they can fight along side you, keep it simple but useful.
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09-30-2012, 09:21 PMFiron
It took ppl an whole year+ to realize that we would be fighting with choco's wth......
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09-30-2012, 09:49 PMLoony_BoB
Regarding the many people who have debated Red XIII (and/or his race) being a mount. Red XIII is a sentient creature capable of communication, and evidence (re: Red XIII's backstory) suggests that all of his race are similar. People should not argue to have Red XIII's race as a mount. They should argue to have them as a playable race. Just because they walk on four legs doesn't mean they suddenly are happy for people to hop on their backs and act like their slaves. If we were to ride them, I would imagine they would take us places of their choosing and dump us there, surrounded by L99 aggro mobs, tell us to fuck off and stop pretending they're a horse/chocobo and then run away, leaving us to die. That'll learn us!
Riding Red XIII's race is like asking for a Vieira mount. No, no, no, don't start asking for tha--- oh, God, what have I done...
Maybe Red XIII's race would make for a suitable companion race (non-mountable) alongside hume, roegadyn, etc. ...but really, I think it's best that such a race as his is left in VII's universe. -
10-01-2012, 12:58 AMDargoth_DraconiaBe happy we are getting a companion to fight with at all. As for more options I am never against such an idea but perhaps that is something that would be added later on if the demand for it was high enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by sharazisspecial
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10-01-2012, 02:39 AMRuisuWell when you put it that way...Quote:
Originally Posted by Loony_BoB
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10-01-2012, 02:47 AMcasevi
i hope they dont put timers on them i think it be fun having when i need them and maybe there make more compains
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10-01-2012, 02:53 AMMujenI think it would be more logical to have a pet class than to give everyone a companion. And seriously, some of us are tired of chocobo. Maybe we're not diehard final fantasy fans like rest of you guys, but it seems kinda lame...Quote:
Originally Posted by Dargoth_Draconia
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhjkC5d7KCo Vid- FFXIII-2 Chocobo fighting.
Basically ima say what I said yesterday, there's not gonna be any point arguing some will be for & some will be against, I happen to be against & neither of our opinions will rly matter. -
10-01-2012, 03:11 AMRudyFailsLet's not start an argument... But not for nothing... It's a final fantasy game and you're gonna come on the boards and try to validate that final fantasy aspects of a final fantasy game should be changed, and then say what I quoted. Man... That's flat out just being self centered. Sorry.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mujen
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10-01-2012, 03:21 AMAlhanelemGood news! We get both!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mujen
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10-01-2012, 03:27 AMMujen#1 Check who started this thread.. if it doesn't say Mujen, proceed to #2.Quote:
Originally Posted by RudyFails
#2 Of all the FF games i've played I've never had a chocobo "companion"
#3 Not my idea, but some posters have the question "so what about pet classes?"/ "will i be gimp w/o a chocobo companion"
#4 Yes i'm self centered, i've alrdy been told to leave the game LONG ago. The lil FF fanboys are so narrow-minded. Then they wonder why more ppl don't join the game.. Maybe cuz we're not all diehard FF fans.
#5 I'm glad to be a FF outcast, I wouldn't wanna be associated with the diehard fans.
#6 Sheaths > Gameplay, Chocobo companion > game depth, Grass > soundtrack, etc etc... -
10-01-2012, 03:33 AMyukikaze_yanagithis have little to do with ff fanboys, and much more related to boundless egoQuote:
Originally Posted by Mujen
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10-01-2012, 03:35 AMAlhanelemLet me ask you a question. Have you, for all the time the game has been out, not had a chocobo all this time? You did?Quote:
#3 Not my idea, but some posters have the question "so what about pet classes?"/ "will i be gimp w/o a chocobo companion"
There you go. You have a companion. Pretty much everybody has a chocobo.
Why must you be so defiant? "I think black mage chocobos are ugly and stupid, therefore I wont use one and I demand that you make the game so I don't have to!" it looks to me like you're resisting for the sake of resisting. Suppose SE adds some godly new armor but it looks ugly. Are you going to complain that you "have" to use this ugly armor to keep up with the Joneses?
Well this means that you should also be glad that they're getting what they want.Quote:
#5 I'm glad to be a FF outcast, I wouldn't wanna be associated with the diehard fans.
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10-01-2012, 03:37 AMyukikaze_yanagi
adn btw, relatet to point #2.. the most recent ff with a "chocobo companion" is ffxiii-2, where player can tame a chocobo. Every color have different roles in party.
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10-01-2012, 03:37 AMMujenAlong with the boundless ego of all the other players who skip/criticize this game. Am I rite? I haven't played FFXI in a while.. how are the chocobo companions doing there? Last time I played they never had any, is that working out well?Quote:
Originally Posted by yukikaze_yanagi
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10-01-2012, 03:39 AMyukikaze_yanagiffxi isn't the only ff out there, as you can see from my previous post. and ffxi' npc is really the same thing with a chocobo skinQuote:
Originally Posted by Mujen
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10-01-2012, 03:44 AMAndrien
Never bothered checking this thread out before because I thought it was just troll bait; But wow some people are getting serious.
chocobo in battle been part of final fantasy for a long time. some games even have chocobo summon, chocobo forest, knights, cavalry like the destrier from san d'oria; ffxi during the crystal war period. This seriously beats having a lame chocobo that is only good as a mount only.
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10-01-2012, 05:22 AMFelis
The chocobos aren't our companions, they are our buddies.
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10-01-2012, 05:50 AMFelisYoshi promised about a year that a buddy system is coming, where we can raise chocobos and fight with them. He promised it to the players who still play today, the loyal players.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mujen
edit: found it
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...l=1#post233227
you see, fighting and dressing for chocobo is planned since summer last year. -
10-01-2012, 06:56 AMsharazisspecialQuote:
Originally Posted by Mujen
The way chocobos in ffxiii-2 fought was so silly and lame looking. The behemoth chocobo is going to look so silly with its goofy looking chocobo kicking lol. -
10-01-2012, 07:40 AMFelis
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10-01-2012, 08:42 AMsharazisspecial
FFXIV chocs are going to look more like ffxiii-2 chocobos then tactics. Especially since the chocobos will have jobs which they did in ffxiii-2 .
Whereas in tactics chocobos are mostly magic based depending on their colour which would look alot better then MRD chocobos kicking and pecking the enemy like crazy ostriches. -
10-01-2012, 08:48 AMValmonte
Dragoon Chocobo AKA the yellow Porcupine
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10-01-2012, 09:33 AMMujenWell that comment was in regards to my 2-man discussion with Alhanelem, which I was trying to tell him & all the others who wanna argue about meaningless stuff that, some of us will just disagree & some of us will like it, I happen to disagree. I was trying to tell him 1st issues need to be fixed before addition, esp for loyal players.Quote:
Originally Posted by Felis
I personally have no issues w/ chocobos defending us, or wanting to be brave. I just, personally, rather have an awesome pet class than a chocobo as my combat buddy. Btw this isn't directed at you, Felis, this is now towards those wanting to hate on me...
So I've already explained this argument is meaningless, and I didn't even wanna get into it, but ppl wanna argue/ "discuss" for the sake of it, fine... But now I'm wrong cuz chocobos have been around since day 1... so 4 of the FF games I've played/sampled had no chocobo companion.. where is this "day 1" we talking about?? What now?? Hate on me some more!!
I think this shyt it lame and will say so IF/When it becomes unlame. "Oh well it's same as hume NPC skin model but w/ chocobo"... Okay well I think a Red XIII "companion" would be badass.. "NO!! that's blasphemy!" Like wtf?
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#1 2/13+ FF had chocobo companions/party members?? = "Chocobo companions been around since day1" ???
#2 IF someone thinks something is lame, they have a right to their opinion.
#3 IF you had just not indulged the argument from the start Like I said, wouldn't have gotten this far.
#4 Srsly ur backing up ur argument for chocobo companion in the history of FF from 2/13+ games?? I haven't played all the games, but 4/13+ I never had a chocobo party member/companion so plz oh great FF lore fans, enlighten me.. I know they fought while riding chocobo.. -
10-01-2012, 10:15 AMAlhanelemAnd I was trying to tell you the issues ARE being fixed, therefore additions can be made. The game won't be any fun if all you do is fix bugs. Many of us have beaten all the content already, so if the bugs are fixed, that's great, but what do we do now?Quote:
I was trying to tell him 1st issues need to be fixed before addition, esp for loyal players.
You can't exclusively spend your time making fixes and tweaks, and you can't exclusively spend time making new content. You have to do both, and SE has teams devoted to each aspect. There is a team that handles content creation, there are engineers who work with the code and hammer out bugs, and there are designers who make the UI more useable and stuff like that. They've stated a lot of fixes that they've been making- there's no reason to believe they are not fixing stuff. This isn't a new feature that was announced yesterday and all development time is being dumped into. It, like most other features in the game, was worked on here and there over a long period of time (And we've known about chocobos in combat since the very first 2.0 image was released from its announcement).
You don't like this feature and that's fine. I'm cool with that. But just because they're making this, it doesn't mean that the rest of the game isn't being worked on. Having worked with development teams before, I can tell you from experience that you don't just work on one thing at a time.
You do realize that you're getting your awesome pet class too, right?? Chocobos are not going to be the only things that will follow you into battle. Maybe you haven't heard about Arcanist/Summoner yet...Quote:
I just, personally, rather have an awesome pet class than a chocobo as my combat buddy
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10-01-2012, 10:30 AMMujenWe know practically 2 sentences about Arcanist & Summoner: Arcanist/SMN enfeeble/DoT; arcanist use carbuncle & SMN use avatar spirits, and arcanist attack w/ book animation, that's supposed to be funny. What else is there? Doesn't sound like a lot of info.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alhanelem
Regarding issues, we can't tell until Beta/Release. Did they mention endgame development? All they said was they don't like speed runs.. Most of the information is all over the place, a few members have done very good job of trying to keep it together:
Coming-in-Version-2.0! - Zetsumei_Tsunarashi
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10-01-2012, 10:54 AMAlhanelemIt's enough info to tell you that it's a pet class, which is what you were asking for. yes, we don't have the finer points, but that's not the point (lol :p ).Quote:
We know practically 2 sentences about Arcanist & Summoner: Arcanist/SMN enfeeble/DoT; arcanist use carbuncle & SMN use avatar spirits, and arcanist attack w/ book animation, that's supposed to be funny. What else is there? Doesn't sound like a lot of info.
I guess you've missed all of the dozens of community rep posts saying "hey guys, just letting you know that we're fixing this for 2.0!" "In 2.0, you'll be able to do this!" 'Yup, we're working on that for 2.0!". You make it sound as if they haven't told us much about what's being done, but that's not really true. How much is subjective of course, but I hardly feel like we're being left in the dark. Yes, you won't know exactly for sure down to the detail what's changing until you play it- but how about we wait for that instead of just assuming they aren't fixing bugs because they released a little info on something that had been planned for over a year? -
10-01-2012, 10:59 AMMujenI don't feel like debating what we don't know so I'm just gonna leave it at we'll see what happens in Beta/Release. I'm done.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alhanelem
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10-01-2012, 11:01 AMAlhanelemSmart man. That's more like it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mujen
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10-01-2012, 11:15 AMDargoth_DraconiaArcanist/Summoner is a pet class. It doesn't seem lame at all, it was fucking awesome idea and seriously tired of Chocobo? You are playing the wrong game then period. Be happy we are even getting a companion system and actually being able to using an iconic creature from FF titles as more than just a mount.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mujen
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10-01-2012, 11:31 AMMujenYou guys give me a headache, it's like you guys dunno when the discussion becomes nothing more than opinions back & forth, so I decided to drop it, it's not cuz anyone "won" or conceded.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dargoth_Draconia
Yes I called chocobo companion LAME, get over it. Be happy we even get a companion system? I don't have to /bow for everything they give me. Iconic creature? dude.. it's like a horse.. it's a mount. I'm sure if we lived IN final fantasy land they'd be just like horses..
I like how none of you have answered by questions/points.. nothing to backup ur points except more opinion. I already linked 2 sources of info, where's this chocobo are everything backup, or was it just 2 games we're referring to? Cuz 2/13+ seems lame.. Nbdy can enlighten me on that. Just drop the topic, it's just lame now. I'm sure ppl are tired of reading this crap, I know I am. Opinion vs Opinion = Lame. -
10-01-2012, 12:07 PMAlhanelemYeah, discussion is lame, we can't have any of that in a forum!Quote:
Opinion vs Opinion = Lame.
Look, I don't mean to sound hostile here, and I don't think you do either. This is just a discussion. Not a big deal or anything. Enjoy it. Discussions keep on going because people are interested in them. If you're really that disintrested, you wouldn't post. -
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10-01-2012, 01:24 PMChardrizardThat is not FFXI bro, if it's not in FFXI, it is not Final Fantasy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andrien
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10-01-2012, 03:09 PMWarlockThis right here is the root of the problem... your self entitle opinion sounds as bad as that one guy that called unacceptable to shut down FFXI when Japan had the earthquake because he thought his 15$ were going to rebuild Japan keeping the game runningQuote:
Originally Posted by Mujen